: The Community Breeds Negativity and Creates It.
It seems like you are ignoring the vast majority of this board full of people complaining about toxicity restrictions /bans. Likewise, only a small portion of people that receive such punishments ever make a thread.
: So Plat player calls their teammate in a ranked game trash cause they're Silver
The ranked system is even more jacked then the Iron 4 debacle. I was caught up in the error that dropped people from tier 4 to the lower division. The message on login saying they would address it disappeared weeks ago, but no change actually happened. I'm not really bothered since silver 3/4 is basically the same as Bronze 2/1, but to remove the message implies the issue was fixed, which it wasnt. Riot should just put a perm message at the top saying Ranked tiers/mmr is fucked this preseason GL.
Scrunny D (EUW)
: Riot needs to remove chat from this game. It's causing teen suicides.
Many more children self harm or commit suicide due to failed relationships. I suppose we should ban interactions between the sexes, you know, for the children. Another option would be to make an effort to encourage parents to be knowledgeable of the games their children are playing , monitor their Internet usage and keep open lines of communication with their child. Likewise, we could make sure young people are aware of the resources avaliable if they ever feel the urge to self harm. Will that eliminate the problem? No, but it might save one. If you aren't able to talk to your parents, a family member, teacher, priest, etc 1-800-273-8255 is available 24 hours a day if you need to talk to someone. There is also a live chat option at https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org I just noticed I only gave information for the United States, as this is a global game here is a link to the Wikipedia page containing suicide hotlines by country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines
: Riot if you want your playerbase to play like a robot then remove the chat
Aye, I have to agree with the OP. There's no middle ground between being a robot or an asshat.
: > [{quoted}](name=BrahMoarQQPlox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mfIbceyR,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2019-01-08T00:32:32.746+0000) > > Well it's more of how it is said then how it is spelled. > Now now I'm not one to think there was a rift in reality. However, it does mess with your mind when you read those books everyday for years, watched cartoons about it, and then when your a :ahem: bit older, someone says all those memories are wrong and have always been wrong. Lol i hear you. To me its just a super exciting thought. I used to be really into Nibiru, the Dark Knight satellite, the monolith on Phobos... i got deep on conspiracy theories. Perhaps now I overcompensate by shunning them completely after lying to myself for years believing in all that shit.
> [{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mfIbceyR,comment-id=000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-08T00:53:44.566+0000) > > Lol i hear you. To me its just a super exciting thought. I used to be really into Nibiru, the Dark Knight satellite, the monolith on Phobos... i got deep on conspiracy theories. Perhaps now I overcompensate by shunning them completely after lying to myself for years believing in all that shit. Aye, you would have to be crazy to believe the whole Black Knight Satellite thing.. and have a composite of it as your computer desktop background, or name your dog Black Knight, or constantly scan the sky every night while crying into your coffee mug every night because you feel like your life is a failure.... but this isn't really about me.
N3u7r1n0 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mfIbceyR,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-01-08T00:32:19.455+0000) > > Nothing, thus far. This is the first Tanram responses since the new PB policy, so I thought a reminder might be helpful. Wait so do I get a prize or something? I'll take one account restoration? No? Dang.
> [{quoted}](name=N3u7r1n0,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mfIbceyR,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-08T00:34:15.346+0000) > > Wait so do I get a prize or something? I'll take one account restoration? No? Dang. I asked him, in liu of hiring me, if he would take a look at your thread. He jumped at the opportunity.
: > [{quoted}](name=BrahMoarQQPlox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mfIbceyR,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-01-08T00:05:21.625+0000) > > While harsh I can see the point. I'm still blown over the Bernsteen Bears thing.. which probably also shows me age. Lol thats like the dumbest one in my opinion, because its already such a messed up name to spell. What kind of little kid knows how to spell that? And then as an adult to trust your kid brain that as a kid you were spelling it right and then to take that memory as evidence of some totally misunderstood or literally made up concept of dimensions merging. Its fucking ridiculous and borderline pisses me off lol.
> [{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mfIbceyR,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2019-01-08T00:26:36.161+0000) > > Lol thats like the dumbest one in my opinion, because its already such a messed up name to spell. What kind of little kid knows how to spell that? And then as an adult to trust your kid brain that as a kid you were spelling it right and then to take that memory as proof that some made up concept of dimensions merged. Its fucking ridiculous and borderline pisses me off lol. Well it's more of how it is said then how it is spelled. Now now I'm not one to think there was a rift in reality. However, it does mess with your mind when you read those books everyday for years, watched cartoons about it, and then when your a :ahem: bit older, someone says all those memories are wrong and have always been wrong.
N3u7r1n0 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mfIbceyR,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-01-07T23:50:00.432+0000) > > Emails aren't sent when you are banned. > > I can see on your account you have had a 10-game chat restriction, a 25-game chat restriction, a 14-day ban and finally a perma-ban. > > Are you looking to find the date of the previous ban? What reason did support give for closing your ticket? They will often close tickets if they are being harassed. However, I don't see any reason they wouldn't give you the info if you asked in a considerate manner. "N3U7R1N0 January 7th 2019, 2:53:26 pm So your position is you can permanently ban an account that you can’t show received a 14 day suspension prior or provide any evidence of despite being asked to do so multiple times. Got it. Sent from my iPhone" Ticket was closed without update after that message. Am I harassing him or calling him out for some bullshit? You decide.
> [{quoted}](name=N3u7r1n0,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mfIbceyR,comment-id=00030003,timestamp=2019-01-08T00:05:54.253+0000) > > "N3U7R1N0 > January 7th 2019, 2:53:26 pm > So your position is you can permanently ban an account that you can’t show received a 14 day suspension prior or provide any evidence of despite being asked to do so multiple times. Got it. > > Sent from my iPhone" > > Ticket was closed without update after that message. Am I harassing him or calling him out for some bullshit? You decide. I worked a ticket based help desk in previous employment. If this was like the 4th ticket I got I would probably consider it harassing. It's a ticket made for no other reason then to make one. I would be interested in the response to the FIRST ticket asking for details concerning your 14 day ban. Is it possible you got an answer, just not one you wanted? Perhaps Is it possible they closed it while providing no information? Perhaps and of they did, I would support you in your request for information.
: > [{quoted}](name=N3u7r1n0,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mfIbceyR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-07T23:10:05.322+0000) > > My point being, why would I think about or adjust my behavior if I was never told I received the suspension(I honestly have no memory whatsoever of ever receiving this 2 week suspension or playing league during that time, although my match history does show aram games during the time period. I never talk shit in aram unless intentionally provoked, why would I). Lol so stop trusting your shitty memory. Ever hear of the mandela effect? Yeah, the human memory is not reliable.
> [{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mfIbceyR,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-01-07T23:28:30.688+0000) > > Lol so stop trusting your shitty memory. Ever hear of the mandela effect? Yeah, the human memory is not reliable. While harsh I can see the point. I'm still blown over the Bernsteen Bears thing.. which probably also shows me age.
: Good guy Brahmoar :) This is a dangerously fast response time. It's like ordering take out and getting your food before hanging up the phone. No! That was clearly not freshly prepared! Send it back, wait 10 minutes, then deliver it.
> [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1UGb0kzc,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-07T23:49:31.177+0000) > > Good guy Brahmoar :) > > This is a dangerously fast response time. It's like ordering take out and getting your food before hanging up the phone. No! That was clearly not freshly prepared! Send it back, wait 10 minutes, then deliver it. Lol, well I tend to think I'm a fairly decent board member... but I'm a terrible person in game. I'd like to say I'm working on it, but something about the rift turns me into an ass. It was a fast response, and I saw that he posted in the thread I mentioned earlier. Good guy Tantram making me look like a clown.
: Personally, I liked that Tantram was gone because he was passive aggressive and acted condescending to whoever he "smited". Also posters would degrade the thread by spamming {{summoner:11}} or{{summoner:14}} which got old and annoying fast.
> [{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1UGb0kzc,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-07T23:52:54.580+0000) > > Personally, I liked that Tantram was gone because he was passive aggressive and acted condescending to whoever he "smited". > > Also posters would degrade the thread by spamming {{summoner:11}} or{{summoner:14}} which got old and annoying fast. I enjoyed it, especially when it came to feeding bans. Before we could view games, people were constantly making up stories about what "really" happened in the game. Then you find out they spent the first 5 mins following the jungler around, and canceling backs with anivia walls. Then, magically, the guy that has been posting every 30 seconds proclaiming his/her innocence suddenly went mia in said thread.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: This post yet again feels more like Memes&Games. Riot team was on holidays, give them a while to settle back, hmm? Edit: Never mind, too late again :c
> [{quoted}](name=GreenKnight,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1UGb0kzc,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-07T23:42:00.114+0000) > > This post yet again feels more like Memes&Games. > > Riot team was on holidays, give them a while to settle back, hmm? > Edit: Never mind I mean it's been like this before the holiday break. I'm not blaming Tantram, I'm suprised he responds at all. Its my understanding he is high up in the group, and this seems more like a lower lvl thing. Not a meme, I would do it, but the idea was floated knowing full well probability was low, as that's now how hirings/positions work.
: > Get at me Tantram. Hey.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1UGb0kzc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-07T23:41:17.015+0000) > > Hey. I see where the other asshat vote came from (I was the other). I know this isn't going anywhere boss, so as a compromise can you check out the 14 day ban dude that has like 5 threads open? It's really what prompted this post as I feel like in the past Reds would have been all over it.
  Rioter Comments
: Sick of being banned over weak minded people getting upset. Done playing this game forever
Can't help but enjoy the irony.. I'm banned because people are weak minded.... as he rages at random people in a computer game.
Dachie (EUNE)
: Is this serious? Permanently banned for saying "stfu"
I also find it a little ironic that your OP starts by saying it's only a normal not ranked, but then in your logs you are raging like you're one win away from the LCS.
Dachie (EUNE)
: I understand, but being negative = perma ban? This is just because I was 14 days banned, but it shouldn't happen, any RIOT employee please
> [{quoted}](name=Dachie,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UF7kkImO,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-01-03T12:29:07.546+0000) > > I understand, but being negative = perma ban? This is just because I was 14 days banned, but it shouldn't happen, any RIOT employee please You didn't notice the warning saying any further negative behavior and your account is at risk of perm ban? Most of your log is rank shaming, telling people to shut the fuck up and score shaming.
: Why do we get punished for an afk on our team?
For the same reason you gain lp when the opponent has an afk. Probability wise you are more likely to gain from the system, assuming you never afk. Likewise, that system would be rather abuseable by duos. Really it could be abuseable by anyone, if you are losing just gang up on one person and try to get them to leave.
: > [{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=l7VtEeZr,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-03T00:14:59.147+0000) > > I've finally gotten into a live chat. Wish me luck now. I'm going to get nervous if this takes over 15 mins.
> [{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=l7VtEeZr,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-01-03T00:41:30.255+0000) > > Alright it's all resolved. Thanks guys for your discussion, even though most of you only annoyed me further and didn't get anywhere, there's nothing else to do here. :) Hopefully it turned out well, GL.
gamma5 (NA)
: Its really quite sad that riot removed the tribunal and blindly punishes without context
> [{quoted}](name=gamma5,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=eMgLkvkP,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-01-03T00:39:54.546+0000) > > Its really quite sad that riot removed the tribunal and blindly punishes without context I was a pretty heavy tribunal user, top 1k ranking, and most the things I see on here I would vote to punish on. I know it's anicdotal evidence, but it's a bit folly to think a vast portion of these punishments wouldnt have been equally punishable under the old system.
Kumatsu (NA)
: Removing Chat
There is a script you can run, the instructions can be found on a forum post (just Google lol disable enter key). However, all that does is physically stop you from being able to type in game. It won't stop your typing in pre and post game, nor will you be able to mute all with out manually clicking them all off on the score board. So I guess, no, I don't have an easy answer, but it's the option I use to keep myself from escalating my punishments due to the inability to not shit talk my teammates.
: I've finally gotten into a live chat. Wish me luck now.
> [{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=l7VtEeZr,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-03T00:14:59.147+0000) > > I've finally gotten into a live chat. Wish me luck now. I'm going to get nervous if this takes over 15 mins.
: *friendly salute* thanks for the help and support, I'll let you know what happens. GL on the rift to you as well my friend.
> [{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=l7VtEeZr,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-03T00:09:21.861+0000) > > *friendly salute* thanks for the help and support, I'll let you know what happens. GL on the rift to you as well my friend. {{summoner:13}}
: League support isn't answering this
Aye, don't go for the ticket route for this, honestly I never use tickets. I prefer live chat. I've worked in a ticket based help desk system before. All I wanted to do was get the tickets out of my que as quickly as possible.
: Mhm. I don't use racisl slurs, or many swears at all. I only use swears when i am incredibly frustrated. Which now i am at this board... i never use things like kys. Never have actually. I never literally int either.
> [{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=l7VtEeZr,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-02T23:59:02.291+0000) > > Mhm. I don't use racisl slurs, or many swears at all. I only use swears when i am incredibly frustrated. Which now i am at this board... i never use things like kys. Never have actually. I never literally int either. Swearing at people will cause punishment, but not a tier escalation. Well if all that is true, my guess is whatever bug got me got you too (there's also another person on this board claiming the same issue). That's about all the assistance I can offer right now. I wish you luck, hope you can keep calm for the support agent, and your account gets fixed. Keep me updated boss. GL on the rift.
: FOR THE LAST TIME YOU DO NOT FREAKING NEED LOGS FOR FREAKING HELPING OUT WITH ADVICE AND UNDERSTANDING. Just say "if you were to say ___ then that would do it." And i would look over it and say "thanks i found that in there i can see why now. Shut up about the chat logs, i don't have to show them, they're my logs, i have a right to not show them and i won't. As for the inaccurate info, yes that was a fucking example. Meaning that when looking through this one, there are things in there of the same thing. Not actual toxicity. Third, I'm just listing PART. I'm not saying that's the only part of it. Nowhere did i ever say that.
> [{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=l7VtEeZr,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-02T23:47:18.040+0000) > > FOR THE LAST TIME YOU DO NOT FUCKING NEED LOGS FOR FUCKING HELPING OUT WITH ADVICE AND UNDERSTANDING. Just say "if you were to say ___ then that would do it." And i would look over it and say "thanks i found that in there i can see why now. Shut up about the chat logs, i don't have to show them, they're my logs, i have a right to not show them and i won't. As for the inaccurate info, yes that was a fucking example. Meaning that when looking through this one, there are things in there of the same thing. Not actual toxicity. Third, I'm just listing PART. I'm not saying that's the only part of it. Nowhere did i ever say that. I'm not sure of they have been listed and I don't have a comprehensive list, but here are some that will get you to skip to 14 day. Homophobic phrases the f** and f***** are most commonly seen. The word c*** will also. Encouraging self harm k** or it spelled out k*** y*** s***. Using mental issues/illness as insults most common would be variations on downs syndrome or use of re****. Thats not a complete list, but the most common ones that I see. Edit: The board really messed with this post it's almost unreadable, I swear I didn't type it like that.
: League support isn't answering this
Also, I know you are probably tilted af with how this thread has gone, and having to wait on live chat, but when you finally get someone just lay it out commonly. I.e. I received a puniahment for my chat logs, which is deserved, but my punishment was escalated even though I didn't use any zero tolerance phrases or troll. The agent will then review your account for a couple minutes, and if what you have said is truthful, you should get a reduced punishment which luckily goes into affect almost immediately.
: That's good for you. I have no way to tell if that is a lie or not but since i am A TRUSTING person, i will trust you. For now. I have had a few problems and none of them have been fixed sadly. I won't address them as they've been addressed on my other account. And that right there of what you said is exactly what's going on now for me. I'm just waiting to get ahold of a live chat.
> [{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=l7VtEeZr,comment-id=0003000000020000,timestamp=2019-01-02T23:33:01.733+0000) > > That's good for you. I have no way to tell if that is a lie or not but since i am A TRUSTING person, i will trust you. For now. I have had a few problems and none of them have been fixed sadly. I won't address them as they've been addressed on my other account. And that right there of what you said is exactly what's going on now for me. I'm just waiting to get ahold of a live chat. Aye, I did it through support live chat too. There's also not much of an incentive for me to lie about that, as I'm pretty open about my punishment history (four punishments so far). The support agent didn't verify it, but I suspect, that since I am constantly floating between 10 and 25 game chat restrictions when I went on a verbally demeaning spree (after just getting off a 10 game restriction), the system mishandled it and shot me to a 14 day ban. If that kind of sounds like your situation then I recommend live chat as they really can fix it relatively quickly.
: Honestly riot doesn't care. I haven't heard a single time where riot support has actually helped. They're more of a tip site... unless someone can show me proof they've done something.
> [{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=l7VtEeZr,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-01-02T19:02:01.277+0000) > > Honestly riot doesn't care. I haven't heard a single time where riot support has actually helped. They're more of a tip site... unless someone can show me proof they've done something. Um, they corrected my account when it was incorrectly given a 14 day ban instead of a 25 game chat restriction.
Tinyk (NA)
: 14 day suspension no warning?
If you haven't been chat restricted before you may want to open a support ticket and calmly acknowledge you are due punishment, but you believe the system incorrectly advanced you punishment tiers. I had a similar situation where I had a string of verbally toxic games and the system accidentally bumped me up a tier to 14 day when it should have been a 25 game chat restriction. The specialist wad able to fix the issue in about 10 mins from start to finish.
Buzzsuo (NA)
: Filter the toxic people in ranked
Also, Riot DOES do something about botted accounts. About twice a year they do a massive account sharing, botting ban wave. Admittedly, they don't catch them all...pokemon..., but they do catch many.
Federal (NA)
: I need to get unbanned right now
Oye, it's pretty much been covered so I won't rehash what others have said. However, you've always had the ability to perma mute yourself. There are step by step instructions on the forums (the script disables the enter key while in game). Granted, it's a little to late to help you, but the info might be helpful for someone else.
: Why is everyone so toxic :(
It's a number of reasons. The main reason is that you are combining competition with complete amoninity. A lesser reason is that it is preseason coupled with a meta that is ever changing as well as additional lane theories. You have people trying to make what they use to do work now, people trying to make new things work, and people trying the new things with out understanding and/or caring about the theory crafting behind it. In short, you have a bunch of possible rage inducing variables where one can be or do what they want.
: it wasnt permanant this time i got a 2 week ban for that, i said and i quote "zoe is a fuck champion"
> [{quoted}](name=RenekToThaNeck,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=zkyvpEXE,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-26T20:39:42.713+0000) > > it wasnt permanant this time i got a 2 week ban for that, i said and i quote "zoe is a fuck champion" Entire log provided upon login.
: Riot, Snowflakes?
First, evidence of you being punished for only saying fuck and it not being directed at anyone. Second, you can't control yourself in an online game, played with complete strangers... and Riot is the snowflake?!?
: Good luck arguing with the Riot fan club. It's very simple. Riot provides a rental agreement in which Riot is paid upfront. Early termination of said rental agreement is profit. There is nothing to argue. Won't stop the fan club.
> [{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2GWsWTpp,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-12-26T00:46:51.088+0000) > > Good luck arguing with the Riot fan club. > > It's very simple. Riot provides a rental agreement in which Riot is paid upfront. Early termination of said rental agreement is profit. There is nothing to argue. Won't stop the fan club. ..... that's not how rental agreements work. In fact, that is why most rental agreements have an early termination payment due, in order to mitigate money lost by the renting company. BECAUSE you don't ban paying customers in the hope that they will come back and spend money again. A fact the OP ignored and/or chose not to counter argue.
: Lucky you
> [{quoted}](name=matney74,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2GWsWTpp,comment-id=000100000002000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-26T00:25:30.953+0000) > > Lucky you Of my 4 posts this is the one you decide to respond to? Well I don't know about lucky, I have caught four punishments so far and I still did get punished in this case just not the incorrect tier of punishment. Edit: Which consequently also disputes your assertion that you can have 6 months of good behavior and not go down a tier. For the last yearish plus I've went up and down the ladder resulting in 2 10 game restrictions and 2 25 game restrictions. If your thesis was correct I would be permed by now.
: And robots can make mistakes from time to time, but no one wants to admit it. Riot support sure doesn't. They literally never investigate the context of bans and just look at one sided chat logs. That's not justice, that's lazy discipline.
> [{quoted}](name=matney74,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2GWsWTpp,comment-id=0001000000020000,timestamp=2018-12-26T00:07:54.593+0000) > > And robots can make mistakes from time to time, but no one wants to admit it. Riot support sure doesn't. They literally never investigate the context of bans and just look at one sided chat logs. That's not justice, that's lazy discipline. Incorrect, the robot banned me for 14 days when I should have received a 25 game chat restriction. I did the live chat option and had the issue settled in less than 15 minutes.
: Calling them names? People who lie are liars is simply the truth man, and lying is ugly and gross. Give me a break. And criticism/advice does not equal flaming. I get that 90% of league players are kids who don't want to hear it, but that doesn't mean people should be banned for it, especially if it's objective constructive criticism. And it has, actually.
> [{quoted}](name=matney74,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2GWsWTpp,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2018-12-26T00:03:20.085+0000) > > Calling them names? People who lies a liar is truth man. Give me a break. And criticism/advice does not equal flaming. I get that 90% of league players are kids who don't want to hear it, but that doesn't mean people should be banned for it, especially if it's objective constructive criticism. > > And it has, actually. Show me an example of someone being banned for constructive criticism.
: Of course they exist. If someone insults or tells lies about you, it's natural to defend your dignity. If you gank a lane and the person you're ganking makes a mistake, dies and starts flaming you like it was your fault, there shouldn't be anything wrong with disputing this person's false accusations.
> [{quoted}](name=matney74,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2GWsWTpp,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-25T23:55:01.547+0000) > > Of course they exist. If someone insults or tells lies about you, it's natural to defend your dignity. If you gank a lane and the person you're ganking makes a mistake, dies and starts flaming you like it was your fault, there shouldn't be anything wrong with disputing this person's false accusations. Show me where someone was punished for disputing a bad call? I assure you you cant. What you can show me is someone disputing it via flame. Flaming someone is punishable.
: Permanent Bans are Lucrative
These threads always bring a grin to my face. I love seeing the OPs try to explain the business rationale behind banning a paying customer in the hopes that they will come back to being a paying customer. I can see the greedy behavior specialist team right now at their ivory tower. We have a player Matney74 spends about 25.00 a quarter consistently. Let's ban him, I'm confident he will come back and spend even more! Look at this sweet chart I have of Company A (Company A is theoretical due to no existing company having this sort of business model) and the massive profits this system creates. Of course then you have your other points, multi reports have an impact. I think i'll take the word of the guy that wrote the code, and provided the line of code, over your opinion. Shouldn't be punished for self defense. First, you arent. If you mute and report you aren't punished. Second, the real world isn't a good counter example as 1) In the real world there can be real threats to your physical being 2) No tool exists, that at the snap of a finger, removes annoying/hostile/inappropriate language. Third, even if the real world did apply, most self defense laws require that you do the minimum to stop the threat. Which in this case would be to use the tools inserted into the game to to do just that. If you disagree, you would have to explain what game play related reason the mute player, mute pings, etc is in the client.
: Hate speech and slang are not the same things
I can see where this is going. In that light, yes, you are completely right. Every asanine argument, not supported by any work in any social science, is spot on. I recommend you apply for a job with Riot and eventually work your way up the ladder on the behavioral team. You can make this game into the glory it should be.
: > [{quoted}](name=BrahMoarQQPlox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=BdAAsiEp,comment-id=000b00000000,timestamp=2018-12-25T17:55:02.823+0000) > > Racism evolved? No, the same words and same actions from 100s of years ago are still here. With new and altered methods as well. AKA evolved. > Red lining, Tuskegee experiments, the fall of Black Wall Street are all modern era. How is that possible, racist words are zero tolerance. They can't possibly be racist if words are zero tolerance, right? > You are right there are people that will cause you physical harm for any or no reason. However, it is asanine to think probability doesn't increase when violating social norms. Any word can violate social norms. Maybe I just should stop talking in case someone wants to physically harm me. > Lastly, you are right. Even with Riot's rules things still happen, imagine that! Kind of like how everything that is unlawful still happens. Rules and punishments are set in place not to completely stop actions, but to cause a penalty for said actions. What is the action: using a word. Why punish people for using a word? Words are designed to be used.
> [{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=BdAAsiEp,comment-id=000b000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-25T18:10:03.493+0000) > > With new and altered methods as well. AKA evolved. > > How is that possible, racist words are zero tolerance. They can't possibly be racist if words are zero tolerance, right? > > Any word can violate social norms. Maybe I just should stop talking in case someone wants to physically harm me. > > What is the action: using a word. Why punish people for using a word? Words are designed to be used. Are you just typing to see yourself type? We are talking about the use of the N word, that hasn't "evolved". It is used the same way on the beaches of the Virgin Islands as it was on the streets of Birmingham. I'm not sure what Riot having zero tolerance words, and the burning of Black Wall Street have in common, or the Tuskegee experiments or Red Lining, but please inform me. Once again, for some reason you seem to think that something being against the rules/laws is meant to stop it completely. They arent, and no one that makes them or enforces them believes that. They exist to punish the individual, to assign a price to negative actions. And your last comment, no, not every word violates social norms. Norm by definition can't cover everything, or there would be no normal to compare it to. You are equating the probability that someone would be offended by a "Good morning" to "F Off N word". Is it possible there is a group that would prefer the latter? Yes. Would that male it even remotely close to a social norm, no. However, if that is YOUR social norm, so be it. Design a MOBA and instate your dillusional form of acceptable social interactions. I imagine it wil be a rousing success.
: > [{quoted}](name=BrahMoarQQPlox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=BdAAsiEp,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-12-25T14:55:33.972+0000) > > I would love to live in a haze, where I was under the impression racism stopped being a thing 100 years ago. Racism hasn't stopped. It has evolved. > Especially when, on almost a weekly bases, a new video comes out of some vile being spewing the N word at people. Hell, in the last couple days we have the white woman from Minnesota going to the Virgin Islands and calling any and everyone the N word. Good thing that word is on the zero tolerance list. Really stopped her. > Likewise, while anicdotal, I don't know of anyone that thinks that lt would be a good idea to starting spewing the N word among four random strangers. I could be wrong, by all means experiment with that yourself in real life. Maybe you'll become the next viral villain, or worst get your jaw realigned. Or not shit will happen because I don't use words in a racist manner? I'm sure there is somebody out there willing to cause physical harm over a word. Doesn't even need to be the "N" word.
> [{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=BdAAsiEp,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2018-12-25T17:45:23.382+0000) > > Racism hasn't stopped. It has evolved. > > Good thing that word is on the zero tolerance list. Really stopped her. > > Or not shit will happen because I don't use words in a racist manner? I'm sure there is somebody out there willing to cause physical harm over a word. Doesn't even need to be the "N" word. Racism evolved? No, the same words and same actions from 100s of years ago are still here. Red lining, Tuskegee experiments, the fall of Black Wall Street are all modern era. You are right there are people that will cause you physical harm for any or no reason. However, it is asanine to think probability doesn't increase when violating social norms. Lastly, you are right. Even with Riot's rules things still happen, imagine that! Kind of like how everything that is unlawful still happens. Rules and punishments are set in place not to completely stop actions, but to cause a penalty for said actions. In terms of Riot, follow the rules, if not you get a warning, if you con't said actions you are gone.
: Hate speech and slang are not the same things
I would love to live in a haze, where I was under the impression racism stopped being a thing 100 years ago. Especially when, on almost a weekly bases, a new video comes out of some vile being spewing the N word at people. Hell, in the last couple days we have the white woman from Minnesota going to the Virgin Islands and calling any and everyone the N word. Likewise, while anicdotal, I don't know of anyone that thinks that lt would be a good idea to starting spewing the N word among four random strangers. I could be wrong, by all means experiment with that yourself in real life. Maybe you'll become the next viral villain, or worst get your jaw realigned.
: why doesnt riot remove the gray screen and give dead players something to do?
How often do you die?!? I think the death timers should be longer. By the time I'm done spam pinging "missing" on my jungler and op.gging my team to see whose fault it is, I don't have any time to sell my wards and type ff three or four times.
: 14 Day Ban
As an aside, when did that homophobic slur become so common place? I see it as the one used in most 14 day first time bans. Maybe it was just the people I ran with, but using that term was more likely to get your teeth checked than a congrats on the insult.
: Player Threatening me in private chat
It wouldn't hurt to make a support ticket and attach the relevant screenshots, details, etc. However, as mentioned above, they don't tend to act on PMs. Just a note on what he was saying, no he isn't going to get your IP or hack you through the client. I know you've had some positive experiences "talking people down", but in the future you may want to skip the PMs from ragers and maybe make friends with the other three enjoyable teammates. Have a good one.
: Riot should fix their punishment system
The truth is you got caught in two different punishment systems so you are thinking it is all connected, and it is not. You seem to have received leave buster punishments, which make you wait longer in que. Your ticket seems to be about that. Apprently, something caused you to escalate to an extended wait time. Upon further research, THAT part was a bug, but while investigating saw you have done more then enough in terms of afk and leaving to justify keeping you at that que time tier. Concurrently, you also had bad behavior. Which goes 10 game chat restriction, 25 game, 14 day ban, perm ban. Included in your 14 day ban is a message that says further negative actions will lead to ban. You decided after that warning to call people a derogatory term for the mentally disabled. This leads to a perm ban. I mean.. really? You get salty on an online game and decide your best course of action is to use a derogatory term for the most vulnerable members of society?
: Riot is the cause of all negativity in this game.
Aye, Riot specifically has it out for you. That can be the only logical conclusion.
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