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I like the direction you're taking this, and I think stormrazer needs to be changed, but here's food for thought on why this new proposition is a bad idea.
Say every silver player's favorite champion {{champion:157}} get this item, and decides to buy stormrazer, phantom dancer, infinity edge, and statik shiv. Yasuo already has reduced efficiency when you scale his passive with new infinity edge since his new two item spike is 120% crit, but this would cancel out that effect and make him a critical strike stacking monster.
Yasuo as of right now, unless called for, more or less always gets a starter item straight into a phantom dancer. after he does this, with this new item, he would build this second or third, meaning his 60% crit bonus would be giving him 60% more damage every 4 hits, or in other words, a 15% damage boost overall, not accounting for the already existing crit, which would make his auto attacks even stronger. Then you build an infinity edge and and all the sudden you get 220% damage every fourth auto, and 10% of that is converted into true damage as well, plus his already strong late game with having 100% crit with attack damage and attack speed. then after that, what's going to stop him from getting a statik shiv? First auto attack procs shiv passive, which also can crit, does 10% true damage because of infinity edge, and increases the bonus damage he does every fourth auto to 280%, where 10% is true damage. Combine this with press the attack, which does burst damage every third auto and increases any subsequent damage by 12%.
So lets do some math here, at late game when you have 4 items, not counting boots, you not only have extremely cheap items, the average price being around 2800 gold, you get 100% crit chance, 105% bonus attack speed (140% with boots), 10% bonus movement speed, 120 attack damage, 10% of damage converted to true damage, a 280 damage 5 target burst on first attack, 12% bonus damage to a target after three hits, with another 180 damage burst attached after landing said 3 hits, 12% damage reduction from the enemy you are attacking, 7% movement speed while near enemy champions you are fighting, and with the new passive you're suggesting, every 4th hit, which by the way would scale with press the attack 12% damage boost, would do ONE-HUNDRED AND EIGHTY PERCENT BONUS DAMAGE. not to mention that it would encourage people to auto attack minions 3 times, then just flat out all in the enemy with their free first crit and subsequent crits.
Hell, if I was playing yasuo with this item, I would buy rapid firecannon as well just to fucking do it and one shot literally anyone while having 2.50 attack speed. AND LETS NOT EVEN MENTION HOW BROKEN THIS WOULD BE ON TRYNDAMERE.
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Lol. I appreciate the honesty.
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Yes, I know that some skins are harder to see than others, that's not what i'm saying. As per what makes me think it's more visible on your end is the part where you can see the color. I thought that was obvious, but I guess not. I don't really have much more to say because it doesn't seem like anything is actually getting through to you. Plus, I don't really care about what your father and mother are, because that says nothing about YOU and YOU are the one posting. What do YOU know about this? You do a bit of research because your parent's might know a thing or two about this? How much? You have normal color vision so clearly you can't SEE what i'm tlaking about. You aren't your mother nor your father, nor do you have any valuable input in this conversation.
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I've heard a lot of people say that some people are just going to blame their poor decision making on this, but at this point what don't they already blame.
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You bring up good points, and I respect your opinion. It seems you have thought about this quite a bit, and I think the exhaustion factor definitely impacts ability. Maybe if we focus too much on this topic, people will actually start to blame something they don't have as well, and that's another good point. The argument I have for that, though, is that there are still problems that colorblind people face in the game which others do not. My post is trying to solve those problems specifically, and isn't trying to touch on the generalized topic. Also you misunderstand something, if someone is colorblind, even completely colorblind, they don't see black when seeing pure red, blue, green, etc. light. Not to mention that your monitor can't even produce pure color light.
Here's a link to a photo set on imgur that compares an RGB block which is changed to represent each type of colorblindness I just made.
https://imgur.com/a/YE1kmxP
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I'm sorry to hear about your history with the military, I hope that you got out okay, because it sounds like there must have been some close call. I can't tell you if that's the reason why you have bad matchups, but keep it in mind, because it could be. I also have to rely on predictions very often, and I'm in gold as well, but I end up getting hit by the dumbest stuff and end up feeding champions that aren't even that strong in the meta and it feels terrible.
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Me too. {{champion:27}} poison is so horrible to try and see. Even when you have colorblind mode on, if you have tritanamalous type color blindness, I bet the purple is hard to see in the river as well, so you can't even use that.
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Wow, very nice. I'm not much of a background artist, but maybe you could paint your interpretations of their home lands. If you painted her body I think it would look very nice as well, but I understand how different painting profiles and figures are.
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I understand that feeling lol. I'm not going to blame you for not remembering but thank you for getting back to me.
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I think so...
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That might still be a problem but it's not what we're adressing in this thread.
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I don't mean to sound rude, but you certainly assume a lot about colorblind people with this comment. I've played the game for 4 years now, and I've very well considered how skillshots just might be hard to see and dodge, but even when accounting for that, the problem where a skillshot and the terrain appear to be the same exact color is still a problem that isn't fixed, and that's not caused by them being hard to see.
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I would agree if I was able to see her E while it was sitting on the ground undetonated.
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There are issues with the hitboxes of certain skins, which I think is what you're talking about, but there's also the factor that your monitor might not be good for gaming.
If Ziggs' Q looks jittery to you, I assume you might have either screen tearing, low framerate, bad latency, or bad screen type.
Feel free to ignore the following, but I figured that since that sounds a lot like a performance issue instead of a personal issue, I would offer some problems and solutions to help you out if you need it.
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There are a lot of factors that can play into this, but if you're having a jitter problem, I suggest you look at whether or not you have a monitor that is interlace first. These monitors are labeled with an i at the end of the resolution instead of a p, and can cause this. Playing at a resolution that is different from your monitor can also cause problems, so make sure that you match your settings to what your hardware can handle, and Fullscreen mode always helps performance, though it can sometimes cause problems if it freezes and you only have one monitor.
Framerate you can see in game, so if you're having jitters maybe check it and see if it's dipping lower than normal, but if you have a framerate of 60-100 or more this isn't typically the issue. If you do have low framerate, you might need a new graphics card, or if you have an ok graphics card with at least 3gb VRAM and a decent refresh rate, it might also be your processor, though 100% you should look to change your graphics card first if this is a problem. I recommend the GTX 1050 if budget is an issue since they're one of the most cost efficient graphics cards on the market right now.
Another issue is screen tearing which you can get from not having VSync turned on. If you have VSync off because it lowers your framerate, just know that lowering your framerate can be the solution to the problem you're having, and is the purpose of VSync, because if the frames don't match how fast your monitor refreshes it's picture, your monitor will start to mess up the picture quality. VSync stands for "Vertical Sync", and it makes the framerate of your game match the refresh rate of your monitor, so that your game changes the picture at the same rate that your monitor changes its picture, so that you don't get any desync.
Lastly is the latency issue, which is a problem with your connection to the servers, and can be a problem if you're using WIFI or have a poor connection. The solution to this is sometimes just getting a new internet provider, but a lot of people can't really do that. If other devices in your home don't have any issues with the internet, though, it might also be your WIFI chip, Ethernet cable, Router, or in the worst case your motherboard's Ethernet port. If it's one of these then you need to replace it, but it should work fine after that. If the problem is with you wifi chip or your router, switching to an Ethernet cable will also solve these problems.
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As someone with this condition, I find it hard to believe I would misunderstand it.
When talking to others, I call myself colorblind just because it's simpler and easier to understand than "color deficient", it's not that I'm trying to lie to anyone as much as it is that I'm trying to make it easier to get the point across. I think the people you're referencing that have poor color vision who call themselves colorblind might fall into this category as well, and some might just be liars, but it's hard to tell sometimes since it's so easy to fake your own perception.
When you say "nobody sees color perfectly", you're not entirely wrong, but there is a norm when it comes to measuring color vision, and most people meet this norm. You're only considered color impaired if you fall far enough below this norm. This problem is genetic though, so there's only so much that can be on a spectrum, genetically speaking it's either you have it, you have it halfway, or you don't have it, but there are also other factors which can affect how strongly it affects you, such as the condition of your eyes and whether or not you've had any injuries.
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I can relate. Any kind of blinking light in the corner of my eye is almost transparent it feels.
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I don't get those people at all lol... Here I am sitting pretty with my lack of color and these people are talking about how they see rainbows in different dimensions.
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For some maybe, but I personally still have this problem and my ping is as low as 30 some days.
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You and me both...
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I appreciate the help!
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YES. THIS. I've fought against a scripting Xerath only twice, and Lux once, not counting the other champions i've been scripted on with. I have to say, fighting against them honestly made me want to rip my hair out and cry. It feels almost like you're being waterboarded because you can't see whats happening, but you know that something bad is going to happen soon.
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A little awkward wording, but I think I understand what you mean. If you know what page you saw that on, I wouldn't mind checking it out if it was still up.
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Well, you clicked on it so maybe you should be more careful in your internet searches lmfao.
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Wow... I can't even tell, I would say maybe maokai? But he would be big enough to see, I assume.
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Hitboxes can be a problem, but that isn't what this post is trying to help out with, although I wouldn't mind seeing some changes to the iffier hitboxes.
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LOL. Maybe.
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Thank you, I appreciate the positive feedback.
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Great expansion, although x-linked color disorders aren't male only, but they are much much more common in men. The gene that perceives these colors is a recessive gene on the x chromosome, so women, if they have one from both parents, can still have these conditions, but they are much more rare. Some women actually have whats called "Tetrachromacy" which means that they can even see additional colors when compared to normal women, too.
Also, might I add, I didn't actually know that Tritanomaly existed, I thought Trianopia was absolute.
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That is a very good point, and I as well have trouble when I'm fighting someone who is using a skin I'm not used to. However, there is a difference between not being adjusted to something, and not being able to adjust to it. I am a person who is Color Impaired, as you might assume. I have a form of impairment that reduces the intensities of red colors comparatively to normal vision. Because of this I don't know what normal color vision looks like, and the best I can do is assume, so there's a limit to how much I can understand about the problems normal vision people have. From my personal experience, adjusting to a new skin's animations and particles is not proportionate when compared to a very similar skin (Elementalist Lux), where the only major difference is the colors. I do sympathize with you, though.
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I knew nobody would read this if I made a boring title, so no joke I did a bit of research on clickbait and I'm so sorry for it but it's the only way this would have gotten any attention lol.
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Thank you for letting me know, I didn't even notice. I've updated it, and it now says how Color Impaired people have a harder time telling the AOE of a skill apart from the surrounding area. I had assumed it was implied, but once I read over it again, I see that I didn't directly mention it. Keep in mind that it's also an individual problem, and some people may experience it differently than others, so I only shortly addressed it in a general way so that it doesn't specify one type of impairment and can instead apply to all types.
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True, but I think he's not necessarily talking about poor reaction speed as a trait, but more about poor reaction speed caused specifically by some sort of condition. Sort of like how if you cripple your hand your skill as a carpenter would be affected; while it's not specifically the person who is "just bad" at it, it still causes a decrease in ability.
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I appreciate the input, and the ideas that the camera angle could be affecting this and the "that did not hit me" effect you described that I know oh so well, however the issue with color impairment is that even if there is a skillshot, Karma R+Q, Lux E, or Soraka Q, for example, with an otherwise clear indicator on the ground that isn't visible to some people, and that is the problem I am trying to address here. I appreciate you reading this over, though. If you haven't input on the poll yet, whether it be yes or no, I would appreciate your opinion.
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Lol. I wonder if i'll start to see ADC's saying they're colorblind when they're not just to make an excuse.
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A separate problem, but maybe you can submit a ticket to riot support and help them fix the bug. I know that sometimes the health packs in ARAM don't spawn for me either, so it's not only you, however that isn't the main point of this thread so it may not be relevant.
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I see your point, but there are distinct differences between normal color vision and color impaired vision, and solutions to help specifically color impairment would have little to no benefit, if done correctly, to those who do not have the same disadvantage. It's also worth pointing out that if there would be a problem with giving everyone an even advantage, it never hurts to make the skillshot easy for everyone to see without the use of colorblind mode, so that nobody has an advantage.
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Comforting to hear that we're not the only ones with problems then lol.
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Agreed, but since we can't fix aging or nerve damage here, unfortunately we can't propose a solution.
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I don't think they should add it to the character inking setting, because that might not work well with everyone setup, but I do very much like the idea of having this be a setting.
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The problem lies with colorblind mode not changing the colors to ones that are visible to certain types of color blindness. There are 3 different types of colorblindness, two of which have different intensities. One single colorblind mode is not good enough to match these problems, and certain skins don't even change their colors while colorblind mode is turned on.
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For me, there are problems with the following champions: (Certain abilities and skins may or may not be listed due to failure to remember. This list includes some abilities which may not effect gameplay. Does not include problems already fixed with current colorblind mode.)
1. {{champion:266}} Aatrox: Q, W on skins: Sea Hunter Aatrox, Justicar Aatrox. The color blends in with the grassy terrain.
2. {{champion:69}} Cassiopia: E on certain skins, however is not a skillshot and has no cooldown so is expected with every encounter.
3. {{champion:42}} Corki: Q on certain skins
4. {{champion:120}} Hecarim: W on all skins, but is not a skillshot
5. {{champion:74}} Heimerdinger: Q on all skins: The bullets blend in with the ground on certain areas of the map., but is not a skillshot
6. {{champion:59}} Jarvan IV: E on base skin, : The color blends with the ground.
7. {{champion:43}} Karma: R+Q combo on base skin: Color blends with the ground for a short while
8. {{champion:10}} Kayle: E on base skin: Color blends with ground, but the change to a ranged auto attack makes this irrelevant. Also is not a skillshot
9. {{champion:240}} Kled: W on all skins: Hard to see the indicator for when his W has charged up, but is not a skillshot
10. {{champion:7}} Leblanc: E on base skin: Color blends with ground, but the shape of the skillshot is more or less distinguishable and is not usually a problem.
11. {{champion:89}} Leona: R on all skins: Color blends with ground
12. {{champion:99}} Lux: Q,W,E on most skins and most Elementalist Lux Variations: The biggest problem of them all, the colors bled in with the ground and the transparency makes these skillshots nearly invisible.
13. {{champion:555}} Pyke: R on both skins: The indicator can be hard to see if not focusing on it due to color.
14. {{champion:15}} Sivir: W on base skin: Hard to see bounces while not focusing on them, but also is not a skillshot
15. {{champion:101}} Xerath: E on skins Runeborn Xerath, Guardian Of The Sands Xerath: color blends with ground
16. {{champion:143}} Zyra: E on most skins: blends with ground
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