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Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: January 16
Do you have an estimate for how many VGUs are planned for this year atm? So far we have Swain and Irelia, and I heard the team wants to focus VGUs this year, so could that mean 5 or more total in 2018?
Sharjo (EUW)
: Not a lore dude but I would've figured he was in his last forties at the youngest. I can't see Urgot as like younger than 45 the way he is presently.
I wonder if that's around the same age as new Swain, considering they're being set up as kind of arch rivals. At least from Urgot's point of view, I doubt Swain's paid attention to him since his betrayal.
: Sorry, I misspoke. He's a gameplay update, looking at the Champ Up page.
I think a lot of people kind of put him under VGU mistakenly because apparently he's getting new lines, which is mostly associated with full blown reworks more than gameplay updates.
Rioter Comments
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: January 10
Hey Meddler, I know this isn't balance necessarily but can you say definitively whether Swain will be here before patch 8.4? The Swain community is kind of going nuts trying figure out if its just because there's still work being done on him, and whether we should rein in our excitement for a bit or begin getting hyped soon.
: Swain, where are you? We're ready to see you now! o.O
Really too bad that the Lunar Revel and Valentine's stuff didn't go on the pbe before holidays like last time. The Warwick VGU was a great way to start off 2017 but now it looks like we won't be getting Swain possibly for even a month. I have a lot of faith in Riot's Swain team, but everything on the whole being pushed back more than usual is kind of a hypekiller if they don't put out any teasers.
Rioter Comments
: [Opinion] Urgot's rework is dope, but...
I mean, that's kind of what new Yorick's character theme is now.
: Mmm, I love the smell of crushed hopes and dreams in the mornin'
Isn't that what you get to experience every day when Riot doesn't put Morde up for a VGU.
Meddler (NA)
: It'll be fairly soon. We generally treat VGU teasers like new champ teasers, not giving away their exact dates or details ahead of time so I won't mention anything beyond fairly soon.
{{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} I'll take your word for it.
Rioter Comments
: Will he be younger? Will he have more hair on his head? Will he no longer need a cane to walk? Will he no longer have beatrice? And, Riot, if I am correct in all of these predictions, can I have a refund?
He at least will likely have a cane or limp, as his new brief lore blurb mentioned he was crippled in Ionia.
: I think that's Gentleman Cho'Gath, after drinking a spot of chamomile tea. Does wonders for Void in the throat.
If you could compare VGU Swain's voice to one person or character who would it be?
: This is really really really overreaching but I was watching Quas. Quas is a challenger level Swain main that I am certain he got invited to playtest new Swain. So there was this LeBlanc on his team and his voice got kind of caring when he spoke about LeBlanc like okay she will take bot. This implies there is something romantic between the two. Ignore me I am losing my sanity waiting for the rework.
Hey, I just posted a request for pointless trivia about the update of a character in a MOBA game. All Swain mains have lost our sanity at this point.
: You can hear his voice over in the new Runes randomizer. https://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/page/forge-your-path-preseason-responsibly-2
Has that actually been confirmed or is that still just a fan theory?
  Rioter Comments
: While we haven't brought in any superstars, we've run a number of player labs for Swain that consisted of Swain mains and mage mains of various skill levels. Their feedback has proven super valuable in Swain's development. :)
I have an extremely important question about the update. Is he still rocking the blue triple Mohawk, or is that nixed? What's his head situation?
: > [{quoted}](name=Tialilia,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=JjQEuhgJ,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2017-11-28T19:17:20.734+0000) > > > > Zed's order is using a form of spirit magic, but how is it possible? A non-mage can't use magic > Hah! Nope. This aint lord of the rings! A wizard has a different, more studious, and analytical way of accessing magic — but arguably a shaman has a more inate connection to spirit magic. While warriors like Zed, Shen, and Kayn have studied a different way to access magical power— The strenght of the connection, the control, and the narrowness of focus are all important variables. (Annie has a lot of fire magic.. including summoning/binding a fire elemental— but she can’t do any ice, shadow or wind stuff and lacks control — vs Ryze who has a lot of control. )
> [{quoted}](name=WAAARGHbobo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=JjQEuhgJ,comment-id=000000030000,timestamp=2017-11-29T03:56:51.124+0000) > > Hah! > Nope. > This aint lord of the rings! > > A wizard has a different, more studious, and analytical way of accessing magic — but arguably a shaman has a more inate connection to spirit magic. While warriors like Zed, Shen, and Kayn have studied a different way to access magical power— > > The strenght of the connection, the control, and the narrowness of focus are all important variables. > > (Annie has a lot of fire magic.. including summoning/binding a fire elemental— but she can’t do any ice, shadow or wind stuff and lacks control — vs Ryze who has a lot of control. ) Out of curiosity, Swain has been referred to as not a wizard, or a shaman, etc but explicitly as a warlock, which interests me. What defines a warlock to you when creating a character? What are the connotations that make Swain a warlock as opposed to another word for a mage?
: I prefer the Palpatine example. We've got enough intimidating fit big guys.
Yeah, and Swain's sorcery and nonthreatening physical look contrast with Darius' brutish fighting style and stature. Makes their alliance look very cool.
: Too late. Swain will be revealed way earlier than that.
Normally I wouldn't think so but the amount of art they've already released makes December look very possible.
Reav3 (NA)
: I didn't title the Swain section "The Cost of Ambition" for nothing :)
I just want to say I'm happy you decided to focus on the "warlock" archetype. When you think about it, League has many mage archetype characters like elementalists, liches, death knights, priests, etc but only Swain ever really had the feel of a dark sorcerer to me. The Disney/Final Fantasy transformation into a giant monster helped too. If you've tried to retain and improve upon that vibe I'm very excited.
Reav3 (NA)
: This is correct, that won't be his title but more the thematic direction we are going for. Swain won't be just some evil guy though, he just believes that sacrifices sometimes have to be made in order to achieve something truly great.
Will his own sacrifices play a big role in his character?
: Swain Rework Discussion
I think my biggest questions are 1. Is Swain's face still obscured? 2. Is he still crippled? 3. Does he still come from nothing, and had to rise through the ranks? Really liked this aspect of his old lore. 4. Does Beatrice still exist? We know Swain obviously still has his dark magic and ravens, but a distinctive bird was not seen in the art.
Reav3 (NA)
: This was done by 3rdCollosus He also did the base splash art for Yorick, Warwick, Galio and recently Urgot. He is doing Swains new Base splash as well.
Hey Reav, just a quick question. Is Swain still crippled or has that changed in the new vision of him?
: CANDY KING AZIR
Candy King Azir is a good idea, I'm a big fan of Candy King Tahm too.
: We got the Champion Roadmap guys!
That Swain illustration... _salivating intensifies_
Rioter Comments
Reav3 (NA)
: In what way? If we didn't have confidence in his theme we wouldn't have gone into production on him.
Like, I know there has been some debate in the past on exactly what kind of role he will take not just gameplay wise but character wise. Dropping the tactician angle, debate over his age, colour scheme, minutiae like that. Do you think new Swain fulfils a kind of niche theme that isn't covered already? Though I'm sure I'll get a lot of this info when we eventually see Swain's design journey after he's released.
Reav3 (NA)
: NP! Yeah we have found that the people that like Urgot really love him and play tons of games on him! Glad you are digging him!
Do you have similar confidence in the theme of Swain's VGU? Considering his central plot importance in League lore, I'm interested to see the direction of his character.
Reav3 (NA)
: Demons are intrinsically motivated by killing humans. Eve has some of her own sadistic motivations as well but I won't spoil that now. As for contracts, all demons have a requirement for them to be able to harm a human. Tham is all about the human sins of greed and gluttony so his requirement is a contract. Evelynn is about lust and physical pleasure and has a very different requirement in order for her to feast on a humans delicious misery and pain. She created her human form for the purpose of getting humans to fulfil that requirement, that's why when she is invisible she goes back to her demon form as humans can't see her so she has no need for the "bait"
> [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=94QcNJyP,comment-id=0008000000000000000000000003000000010000,timestamp=2017-09-24T02:56:59.941+0000) > > Demons are intrinsically motivated by killing humans. Eve has some of her own sadistic motivations as well but I won't spoil that now. > > As for contracts, all demons have a requirement for them to be able to harm a human. Tham is all about the human sins of greed and gluttony so his requirement is a contract. > > Evelynn is about lust and physical pleasure and has a very different requirement in order for her to feast on a humans delicious misery and pain. She created her human form for the purpose of getting humans to fulfil that requirement, that's why when she is invisible she goes back to her demon form as humans can't see her so she has no need for the "bait" Do you think you guys will explore the demon concept more, now that we have two demons, that prey on greed and lust respectively? I feel like Shaco, Noc, and Fiddle would fit this area in lore updates.
Reav3 (NA)
: No
Is Eve Shadow Isles or more like Tahm/Shaco/Nocturne?
Reav3 (NA)
: We have basically merged the teams at this point so Statikk and Scruffy are both design leads on Champions Team and can work on New Champs and VGUs. As the producer my role is basically the lead of the overall projects where as Scruffy and Statikk are focused purely on design. We have art leads and a narrative lead as well that are the leads of there crafts. I'm more concerned on making sure art, design and narrative come together to form a cohesive and compelling Champion.
Hey Reav, you know when we can expect the roadmap? A week or two?
: Upcoming VGU's prediction w/ smart analysis
I'm getting my Swain so Nunu can have the next. They could actually make him and Willump look badass.
Reav3 (NA)
: Yeah it should be out sometime shortly after Evelynn's release
> [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=crBZTZ7m,comment-id=001a000000000002000000020000,timestamp=2017-08-31T18:51:10.254+0000) > > Yeah it should be out sometime shortly after Evelynn's release Do you know if there's a reasonable time to expect Swain on the PBE? Would early 2018 be a safe guess?
: Kindred Spotify Playlist
Arcade Fire? From Neon Bible no less? I approve.
: Anyone else hyped for Illaoi and Yorick skins?
I really hope Yorick's not getting a comedic skin.
: The Biggest Problem with League Lore: Villains
I think you may have forgotten Lissandra. She's basically the Night King, easily a candidate for the Big bad of League not just because she wants to bring the apocalypse but for the amount of lies and deceit she sowed.
: Well swain is supposed to be a tactician so I hope that his whole kit can be tailored towards team fights and a way to outplay the other team during these fights
Riot has said that the tactician theme would stray too far from the Swain in gamr we know so they're focusing more on the warlock dictator angle.
: Was Darius already the 'Hand of Noxus' before allying with Swain?
Until Swain's VGU I don't think we'll know for sure.
: When Mordekaiser gets his VGU don't forget to include this lil' reference in his VO
They should pretty make references to all those kinds of villains. Sauron, Morgoth, Arthas, etc.
: Swains theme song? Your thoughts?
This sounds very similar with the deep chorus and I think represents Noxus very well. https://youtu.be/ao1HQAPRSwo
: Honestly it's probably some sort of a banner, but it might as well be an amulet or some other powerful relic (that perhaps helps him to transform into that demon-ish raven creature)
That's actually a very good guess, something that he uses to maintain a bond with Beatrice and his powers.
Reav3 (NA)
: It's a teaser image. It's intentionally vague. ;)
Gunpoint (NA)
: Looks like a banner
That could be it. Like Swain's personal version of the Noxus symbol https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/e/e9/Noxus_Crest.png/revision/latest?cb=20161117055949
  Rioter Comments
: Evelynn/Swain
The Swain VGU is the most exciting upcoming event in my whole three years since I started League.
: I feel like this shouldn't be spoken about
Not sure. I'm pegging September to October for it.
Reav3 (NA)
: The current champions in development are 50/50 - New vs VGUs
I just want to ask... is the Swain Young vs. Old debate still happening and did you ever expect this would be the subject of so much internal discussion? Sorry, it just sounds like a hilarious conversation to be a fly on the wall for. "Sexy warlock in his prime!" "Aged birdman dictator!" {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
Reav3 (NA)
: I don't think we will ever run out of champs to update. As time goes on more Champions get out of date.
> [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=JIuimTbs,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-12T17:00:51.637+0000) > > I don't think we will ever run out of champs to update. > > As time goes on more Champions get out of date. More VGUs? Awesome. There are so many older champs that can be fit into the new lore without introducing more champs.
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