: Can Bard's heal get some love late game?
Bard shrine heals for so much. If you are only using the heal pre 10 seconds, you are not playing bard right.
: Junglers are rather important, as they are the most "Unknown" variable in a game. We have 2 in top, 2 in Mid, 4 in Bot...and 2 God knows where. Vision does help give an idea of where they are (or arent). Jungler's rely on vision to keep track of who is where...and allies to break wards so the enemy don't know if they are near/coming or not. Vision and Jungler goes hand in hand especially laning phases.
> [{quoted}](name=Sky Cardis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mNyTAUin,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-11T10:43:15.339+0000) > > Junglers are rather important, as they are the most "Unknown" variable in a game. Except that junglers always know where the other jungler is, can ping them out and still have teammates die to the "unknown" gank that was pinged in advance.
: Would the RNG complaints lessen with ranked?
No, there will always be a subset of players that don't understand the amount of skill behind manipulating the RNG.
: Regarding the chinese custom games...
Chinese boosting is very common. Pretty old news. You'll see a lot of accounts in ranked where they are speaking Chinese and have their summoners spells switched F on D or vice versa compared to all the games where the original account owner players as well as a different champion/position being played.
: Who should I one trick?
Pick a champion whose kit you like.
: We really need to do a soft MMR reset.
Season 10 preseason needs a hard reset on MMR. Any game I play in flex or normal has the most dog early LP abusers hovering Plat 4 that can't ever lane against high iron~ low gold players. Ranked is decently easy at lower ranks, sometimes you get pseudo gold (bronze) players, sometimes you get actual silver/gold players. In normal/flex, all I've noticed are Season 8 silver 5/4 season 9 Platinum 4, gold and silver players that play like they've never played league in their life. Most of the Diamond 4 players I've seen in normal/flex were former season 8 Gold 5 and it shows in their gameplay. Actually feels so bad to play. Also, you can get better, but that doesn't matter when there's 5+ deaths 5 minutes into the game with a team that has no sense of macro in the slightest.
: How it feels playing support sometimes
Cause MMR got fucked early. People are in divisions they don't belong in.
Rioter Comments
voozers (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=BurakkuRozu9,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=AmE7RHBj,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-27T04:06:26.101+0000) > > They also didn't say what's actually causing it. Guess what, PBE team fight tactics has no queue time. Where's the bug there? There are more people with accounts on live than on PBE. Like much more.
> [{quoted}](name=voozers,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=AmE7RHBj,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-27T04:14:39.790+0000) > > There are more people with accounts on live than on PBE. Like much more. Exactly.
: They literally said that's not what's causing this.
> [{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=AmE7RHBj,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-27T03:38:44.200+0000) > > They literally said that's not what's causing this. They also didn't say what's actually causing it. Guess what, PBE team fight tactics has no queue time. Where's the bug there?
: Clarification on TFT queue DELAYS
The real problem is them just letting people create accounts from EU when they could add level restriction or ping restriction for the time being since they didn't release it in EU yet, for some odd reason.
Rioter Comments
: Fix your queue times
It's increasing because EU spamming accounts on NA.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cameramon,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=00080001,timestamp=2019-06-19T16:40:32.897+0000) > > Minor correction. His win rate with the roaming Teemo "strategy" is actually below 38%. His win rate with Teemo is 48%. And thats because when he just plays regular Teemo support (which is off-meta), he does well. When he trolls in games where people are streaming (yeah, he only trolls when streamers are present. Funny, isnt it?), his win rate is almost as low as the win rate of any team that is 4v5. Possibly even lower. Thats how bad the strategy is. His strategy doesnt work, its sabotaging his own team by design. Also, no. By the time Sivir and Irelia afkd, the score was 2-9, the enemies got 8 extra platings, 2 turrets, turret first blood gold, the botlane was 30 cs up and the midlaner was 2 lvls up. The game was more than over, lost entirely by Teemo. what proof is there that he only does it during other streamers' games? Riot did not provide any and neither has anyone who claimed this it's always "trust us"
> [{quoted}](name=3TWarrior,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NEjQ87ex,comment-id=000800010001,timestamp=2019-06-19T16:46:01.144+0000) > > what proof is there that he only does it during other streamers' games? Riot did not provide any and neither has anyone who claimed this > > it's always "trust us" I wonder why almost every streamer in high elo wants to dodge that guy?
: > [{quoted}](name=Thefrostyviking,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sP62E7iK,comment-id=000c000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T22:54:14.231+0000) > > It does but fact is that the very title covers the reason Singed, Nunu and now Nubrac got banned. I was referring to the summoner's code I linked, the article being "enjoy your self but not at the expense of others". > Not really, the problem there lies with Nubrac not actually talking with his team about his strategy in champ select at all first, which is what prompts nightblue to flame him when he realizes whats going on. Thats partially correct, Nubrac is at fault for not communicating his strategy to his team. However, the summoner's code and terms of service don't specifically say there is an obligation to do so. It does not address how someone should go about playing something that others may think is a bad idea. Judging by the response, I don't think communicating beforehand would have led to anything different except maybe a dodge. > It would be if they kept doing it while disregarding the opinions of their teammates in the meanwhile, after all they are free to enjoy themselves as long as they dont do so at the rest of their teams expense, the toplaner in this case. > > If they ask and top says alright then its fine though. The toplaner refusing to go bot in this situation is trying to enjoy the game at the expense of 2 other people. You do understand that once you start trying to evaluate someones enjoyment, what compromises it and what doesn't, it just becomes subjective, right? Now if we still had the tribunal, the case could be reviewed by a number of players with potentially differing viewpoints, and a consensus could be reached. But we don't have the tribunal. Instead we have Riot, which makes plenty of decisions the community dislikes. Which is fine I suppose, but its usually done in the confines of the rules that have been established. For example, if someone acts in a racist way they can expect some consequences. > I really do disagree, the summoners code demands a good attitude, teamwork and that you do your best to help, dont do bad things and dont enjoy yourself at the expense of your own team. > > Even if the "self enjoyment" thing derails into discussing chatting in its description the title itself is crystal clear and it sends a message on its own that doesnt take any real thinking to understand. Well it turns out it does take some thinking, or it wouldn't have blown up on the boards. The fact of the matter is that Riot has not explicitly stated what is and is not ok in regards to champion selection, or what each role can do and how it can be played. Without that, no one should be getting banned for one game. > For me its fine to pick whatever you want to whatever role you want and build whatever you want as long as you are seriously trying to win and dont screw your teammates over in the process.....even if you win but cause your own teammates to be miserable for it then its not really a victory. > > > But cooking up some "genius" strategy for your own fun that means at least 2 of your teammates are bound to be either completely boned or struggle greatly uphill and then implementing this without even warning them and then even dissing them later when they try to ask what´s going on......that´s far over the line. I'd refer back to the toplane example, if you the toplaner refuse to move you cause the botlane to be miserable. And depending who they picked, forcing them to bot lane could be a bad decision if you want to win. In that situation, would the toplaner deserve a ban? Now I'm going to assume your answer is "no", but do correct me if i'm wrong. In that case, you have to explain why it would not be. And if the conclusion is that it's "because top has been established as a solo lane for bruisers/tanks/etc.", then it would imply that not playing meta is a ban-able offense and that it has nothing to do with enjoyment. Nubrac's winrate seems to imply a genuine desire to win, its nothing amazing, but if that doesn't seem enough to convince you it was genuine, I have to ask what would? It's impossible to say if his playstyle screws over his teammates, because they AFK'd. Which, might I add, screws over any teammates who were trying (I believe I saw 3 people in fountain on the stream, that means 1 other person was out 3 players because of their own decisions, all of whom are not banned as far as we can tell). > Not perma ban worthy though, but fully deserving of a 14 day one, and a perma one later if he keeps at it. > Honestly if playing off meta was banworthy then we´d never have had stuff like AP shyv, tank asassins or even mage "supports", but clearly that´s not the case so if people actually thought about it then it´'d be obvious that something else is why Nubrac got banned. A 14 day ban without prior warning or discussion, about breaking a rule that's not explicitly stated in the ToS or summoner's code (again, to argue it is puts all players in a grey area, so its not clear enough) ? You are exactly correct, if playing off-meta is ban worthy, we wouldn't have those builds and playstyles. That is why this is a big deal. If he was banned for his behavior, the others should also be banned. If not, it implies he was banned for his playstyle. That is bad news for all the AP shyvanas and mage supports out there. Now, I don't want to go back and forth with this over nothing so I'll ask this: Do you believe Nubrac was banned for being toxic, or for his strategy? And how did you reach that conclusion?
> I'd refer back to the toplane example, if you the toplaner refuse to move you cause the botlane to be miserable. And depending who they picked, forcing them to bot lane could be a bad decision if you want to win. In that situation, would the toplaner deserve a ban? Now I'm going to assume your answer is "no", but do correct me if i'm wrong. In that case, you have to explain why it would not be. And if the conclusion is that it's "because top has been established as a solo lane for bruisers/tanks/etc.", then it would imply that not playing meta is a ban-able offense and that it has nothing to do with enjoyment. Nubrac's winrate seems to imply a genuine desire to win, its nothing amazing, but if that doesn't seem enough to convince you it was genuine, I have to ask what would? It's impossible to say if his playstyle screws over his teammates, because they AFK'd. Which, might I add, screws over any teammates who were trying (I believe I saw 3 people in fountain on the stream, that means 1 other person was out 3 players because of their own decisions, all of whom are not banned as far as we can tell). > You do realize that when a game is far gone in high elo across practically every region, players will afk and open. NA mentality is to hold hostage after the game has gone so far down the drain. Multiple people usually don't arbitrarily AFK unless 1) they are griefing ie. Scrubnoob whenever he griefs 2) they want to go next because that game is over.
: > [{quoted}](name=DJBlackVoice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WizmyFEi,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-19T18:18:41.958+0000) > > Is this still considered a spell? why just not remove it at this point? Its so fun see a rengar 100-0 everyone with just tiamat and shaco cant even execute any adc with 5% hp. > > Shaco hidden passive: "immunity to buffs" Rengar is a Kamikaze champ with virtually no outs once he goes in. Shaco has boxes, a blink that stealths him, and an R that also helps him survive, while being infinitely less dependent on ult to get to targets while Rengar's only way to reach an enemy without ult is if they have Down's and go facecheck a bush knowing Rengar's passive. Rengar virtually does nothing outside his ult because all his power budget is sunk into it. Shaco's power budget is more distributed toward his other abilities. There's a reason people play Kha'zix over Rengar. Khazix's also does burst, does not rely on some trash bush gimmick, and has 2 stealths, a massive conal slow, and a leap out.
> [{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WizmyFEi,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-06-20T01:03:52.565+0000) > > Rengar is a Kamikaze champ with virtually no outs once he goes in. Shaco has boxes, a blink that stealths him, and an R that also helps him survive, while being infinitely less dependent on ult to get to targets while Rengar's only way to reach an enemy without ult is if they have Down's and go facecheck a bush knowing Rengar's passive. > > Rengar virtually does nothing outside his ult because all his power budget is sunk into it. Shaco's power budget is more distributed toward his other abilities. > > There's a reason people play Kha'zix over Rengar. Khazix's also does burst, does not rely on some trash bush gimmick, and has 2 stealths, a massive conal slow, and a leap out. Yet somehow, Rengar can still 1v2 from behind.
: Hey Junglers, let me explain to you why top laners are always so toxic (explaining; not excusing it)
Rioter Comments
: I have to dissagree. It's this way because Riot is forcing team play. In a GAME. Where every gamer wants to show his skills. Where you are forced to play HOW YOU DON'T WANT. Also, it's because how ONE BAD GUY, can infulence MORE than one perfect player in your team. So, it's more about who gets the worse player in their team, not who gets the best player.
> [{quoted}](name=Biscuit Bite,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Ev3cYPuX,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-05-19T16:41:46.052+0000) > > I have to dissagree. It's this way because Riot is forcing team play. In a GAME. Where every gamer wants to show his skills. Where you are forced to play HOW YOU DON'T WANT. Also, it's because how ONE BAD GUY, can infulence MORE than one perfect player in your team. So, it's more about who gets the worse player in their team, not who gets the best player. Honestly man, I just want a team when I play, not people just constantly feeding the enemies gold 10 minutes into the game when I'm playing ranked.
Gixia (NA)
: Is toxicity on the rise?
Pretty sure it's because other players are just wasting your time when someone feeds, soft or hard, int or not (through stupidity). Trying to play the game where you're the only one trying isn't fun.
: Yayyyy I won top
Oh yay, I won top 3/0 in a 2v1 6 minutes in. Oh Nice, the enemy {{champion:67}} is 6/0 at 6 minutes I guess I just lose
Rioter Comments
Prandine (NA)
: From the 4th line onward you had a negative attitude all game long. I get that you're frustrated but behaving like that accomplishes nothing, and if they really were trolls then you just gave them the reaction they wanted out of you. This is definitely punish worthy behavior, and unfortunately since you were on thin-ice after your 2-week ban this kind of behavior was enough to push you over the line. Advice: Don't feed the trolls. By not giving them the reaction they want chances are they'll stop and actually straighten up for that game (not always but sometimes). If you're going to report someone then just do it without calling for others to do it as well. Not only does this fall under harassment in some situations but it also only takes 1 report to flag a game for review. Insults and name-calling will get you nowhere, even if you are dealing with toxic players. As hard as it can be at times being the bigger person is better than stooping down to their level.
> [{quoted}](name=Prandine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gEGGHY00,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-01-11T00:09:13.376+0000) > > By not giving them the reaction they want chances are they'll stop and actually straighten up for that game (not always but sometimes). Not sometimes, but seldom to almost never.
: We have it nice over here in the NA server. We should be very happy.
Alright, now get past level 22, play some ranked, and see how many of those same experiences you get. It's going to drown out. The same AFK bullshit happens in NA too when you make a new account.
: OTP vs Counter Picking
It depends on how often you play. If you play a lot, invest in a pool, if you don't have much time, invest in one champ.
: Coming back to League
Just don't. Game is bad.
: > [{quoted}](name=Japandroid,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jZpyacoE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-11-12T16:53:15.289+0000) > > Idk. I can get out of silver playing troll stuff. Its a pretty volatile rank though You get people who've never played Ranked regularly and they belong higher/lower elo and it just ends up being a clusterfuck every other game. IDK how it compares to Platinum hell but I'd rather play at Gold or Bronze than Silver, Silver is just obnoxious. Most gold players have some concept of taking objectives and teamwork so you know what to expect. Most bronze players are ass and make glaring mistakes constantly so you know what to expect. When you take those players, put them in the same matchmaking pool as people who are genuinely inbetween them as well as people that could be as high as Challenger level skill who just haven't placed yet it becomes a clusterfuck. I find its very easy to get either winning streaks or losing streaks at this MMR. But unlike Platinum hell its because of the matchmaking and not a bunch of one tricks with a big ego inting games.
Yeah, I'd rather play in higher elo because they are slightly better, or just as BAD as silver players. Seen many Diamond 5 below players getting shit on in my silver games. They aren't that good. D4> is another story.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Tbh, outside of diamond id argue its always better the support get kills over the ADC. (Exception being early game ADCs) A kill means a CS and level advantage for the ADC, if you cant win off that then idk what to tell you. But if the support is gold and levels up, then youve got a heavier snowball coming. Support dictates the entire lane phase. Supports bring all the early damage. Supports bring the utility.
Too bad in this elo, a good support has to 1v2 bot and a good ADC has to do the same.
: what´s the most annoying thing you saw in lol?
4 people soft inting in ranked because they don't know how to play the game.
: Season 8 in a nutshell
Season 8 is win lane lose game as long as the enemy laner plays slightly safe and everyone on your team decides to run it down 5 minutes in.
: explain how.
E scales off of ad and ap. People generally build armor for Shaco. If you change his E back to magic damage instead of the current ad, they will have less resistance against his E, only people of building Armor.
: Free skin for helping me pick my off-season champion! (details in post)
Honestly, I'd say Fiora. She should be the strongest dueler in the game.
: hello riot, i would like you to fix this champion called lux, she is fucking broken
Jøker (NA)
: My game just got remade because of me but...
: > [{quoted}](name=Ayzev,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=u5c0wo29,comment-id=00010000000000000001,timestamp=2018-11-04T22:21:09.329+0000) > > In sports, how hard it is to score does not change over the course of a game. If you're 10 points ahead, that doesn't make it easier to score another point. If your opponents are 10 points ahead, that doesn't make it any harder for you to score a point. > > In League, giving up a kill or dragon or whatever doesn't just mean "okay, now we have to get a kill/dragon and we're equal". It is actually harder for you to do that now because your enemy got stronger. > > We could get into more detail, but bottom line is the comparison is very much flawed. It also varies by how points are scored, because that also varies by sport. For example, take the NFL. 10 points can be overcome with two touchdowns (even if both field goal attempts miss) and CAN be obtained in a single quarter. 2 goals behind in soccer (football if you're not of the USA) at the half is STILL something that can be overcome. That said, you're right in the sense that League has mechanics that are translated from having a gold lead. BUT, that still doesn't automatically mean that such a gold/objective lead cannot be overcome for whatever reason. I've had a game where the enemy had gotten to our nexus at 15 minutes and we had all inhibitors down before 20. We managed to draw the game out long enough that a few critical mistakes from their team lead to us making a massive push down mid lane (with only one tower down in another lane) to make the win. And FYI, we were also down two barons and 5 dragons. So it wasn't just a matter of a gold deficit we had to overcome, and we still managed it. TL;DR: Even if you see that the enemy should beat you, you have no idea if they'll make a misplay and throw. I've seen this in Duel Links as well (such as some players thinking a card effect will only go off once per turn when it will go off repeatedly until the end of the turn).
Circuits (NA)
: ADC is too hard to play (by comparison)
More mechanical then riven? Maybe like 5 different adcs.
afmghost (NA)
: League ads on YouTube and other sites/services means one thing
We don't say Amazon is dying when they advertise. Yeah, I've never seen an Amazon ad so.
: A little suggestion on karthus
He's more of the bane of soraka's existence, as he can one shot her with his ult.
: Massive frame drops(abnormal)
Check your gpu settings and make sure your cpu isn't having too many things allocating resources.
: Can we actually get like some exp for remakes?
Lol.That wouldn't change the fact that it's a waste of time.
Akaash (NA)
: I think I found someone with broken MMR.
Grind to plat preseason. You don't have to be challenger to land into plat. A lot of plat players land in plat.
: Plans for unused items?
Lol what. You got the wrong items. {{item:3056}}
: Your friendly neighbourhood assassin Shaco
It actually makes his AD side stronger.
: Blame yourself or others for loosing fights and games.
I know when it's my fault that we lost a fight/ got caught versus when someone else fucks up. It's very noticeable since I play support and have to try and engage while keeping people alive.
Rioter Comments
: So, just checking if it wouldn't give results I did do a google search. first I used this specific phrasing to lock in the site:(also this is not a personal attack or me disagreeing with you, I am just curious) site:boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation riot games money The most recent post that says in the title about banning for the money is 8 months ago: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/e0QPUWBy-so-the-banning-system-is-about-money So, not being satisfied, I also wanted to know when the most recent comments were made so I refined my search. Using direct search I refined my query to this: www.google.com/search?tbs=qdr:d14 This limits my search to the last 14 days(gregorian calendar command, for more info see www.google.com/search?q=site:boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/&tbs=qdr:d14), then I searched: site:boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ bans for money This limits my search to the last 14 days of our existence causing more irrelevant things like comments to shoot up my recommended area. here are some of the results of it being said the past 14 days. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/Xb3EX6eT-banning-accounts-the-right-move 6 days since I responded > [{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Xb3EX6eT,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-10-03T15:27:23.461+0000) > > New player queue times are relatively fast. Between bots, smurfs, and actual new people, there is a steady population for the new people to play with. (New people aren't going to wait 10 minutes queues. They are uninstalling or buying an account.) > > Every banned account is a money making opportunity, if done correctly. A drug dealer sells drugs. The drug user does a small amount of drugs. The drug dealer steals the drugs back. Then offers the addicted drug user, the opportunity to buy the drugs again. The addiction is the key point. Only ban people with addiction problems. > > "Self-righteous" people love it because whoever they report gets punished. They are selfish anyways, they don't care about toxic people or new player experience. I imagine they spend money the longer they stick around. > > So, bans are $$$, If you want money, bans are smart. If you want player behavior reform, bans are not smart. If you want ranked integrity, free accounts and bans are not smart. then there are post implying that riot mostly bans people who spent money on this game. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/a3qsL4mq-flaming-should-be-allowed where he also admits believing in the hidden agenda: > [{quoted}](name=Report this Ahri,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=a3qsL4mq,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-09-29T19:34:49.945+0000) > > You don't know that, they might have a hidden agenda. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/RAfb0McT-got-banned-for-intentional-feeding-for-a-game-with-02-death and here is another one, this from 13 days ago. So to answer your question, it is not extremely common, but the argument definitely gets thrown around. This does not mean that just visiting this site, you will find thousands of people replying this. It is just somewhat common. Hope this somewhat clears up the confusion
Exactly. There is one actual post, and then one or two people posting conspiracy comments. It's like people don't bother reading.
Xhaiden (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=BurakkuRozu9,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=nWM1a4X5,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-10-09T02:28:23.871+0000) > > * Large population can be solved by increasing the employee count, but we know that's probably not happening. > * Ease of getting into ranked games isn't really a problem, encourages players to actually climb, just like in every game that has a ranked system. > * Can agree on MMR > * Personal experience, only had one smurf in my team, enemy team dodged in champ select so I don't know anything regarding smurfs. > * Remake is in a weird state at the moment. > * Slight agree, but could be a waste of everyone's time (high elo), same with remake. Has pros and cons. > > Yeah, agree with last statement. "The most recent figures show that League of Legends has an active player base of over 80 million monthly players. Or over **27 million players every single day**." - don't know the exact statistic for reports - but there's probably around 7 million reports on a daily basis. Of all those reports - most reports given for "**Intentional Feed (Assisting the enemy, not just having a bad game)**" - are Fake. In 99% of cases they're just having a bad game or they're really bad with that champ - but this days it's enough to fail a gank and die 1 time - and you're already accused of feeding/inting and flamed with Report. That being said and while taking in consideration the huge amount of players, obviously - Riot dosn't afford to hire around 100.000 people to check the legitimately of all those reports. From what i was told the punishment system is automated for most part. Tho, they also issue some Bans personally. And most banned are issue for toxic behavior (flaming). Anyway, this is not what i meant when i said the population is to high for bans to make a difference. As in... let's say 100 people get banned daily (just for the sake of it - cause there's probably only 10 bans or i don't know). So every month we'd have 3000 bans - from which 2900 might simply start another account and get back to doing their thing. But again, just for the sake of it - let's say they all disappear. In 1 year we'd have 36.000 bans - out of millions accused of ruining games. And that's why it doesn't make much difference (won't solve anything). Not to mention that most are false accusations/reports - but still, those people having a bad game and making tons of mistakes - may be the reason why lost that game (while anger/hate - is what influences people to issue false reports). - the ease of getting into rank is why you have so many bad players in lower leagues. For example: you're allowed to play a champ you never played before (or just tried for couple of times) in rank - while the enemy team might have players who play only their mains (some have hundreds of games with that champ - this season alone). Now that's a bad game about to happen. In the same time - this advantages smurfs and it's also an easy way to spot them (new accounts - high KDA since first games). - i don't know if things or that different in NA - but EUNE servers are flooded with smurfs. So while taking into account the smurfs who ruin balance, on top of bad games caused by trolls - or by people who have a bad games - including myself (cause we all have games where we play like shit), you can reach a point where you're not making any progression. Especially since the MMR system is shit - and even that's adding extra stress while punishing you for your losses (be it legit or not). Like loosing 24 LP and earning only 15 - even vs players from higher divisions (+ the smurfs).
If Riot wants to fund an actual ban system, they have to convince Tencent, something that probably won't happen since Eastern regions already take bans seriously. Also, I'm not telling Riot to permanently ban people immediately. A lot of the trolls in NA, especially in lower elo, less prevalent in higher elo, aren't hard trolls. They don't do it every game, at least it might not seem like it. People will go on a trolling streak, every now and then when they are getting tilted from their games/performance. That's just an observation. Also, I don't know about EU, but American's don't like taking the hard route. People who aren't hard trolls, that are just trolling/running it down/etc, won't be making multiple accounts. Also, they shouldn't be banning people who are just being accused. They are supposed to ban people who have had their game(s) reviewed and it can be seen that the player is trolling/inting/afk/etc. Might be slightly different in EU. Most NA's are lower elo. Everyone says they always run into smurfs, but I'm pretty sure that's mostly in normals. I've only ran into 2 smurfs this season in ranked. Also, just something I want to add/ask. People are always talking about, "fix your own mistakes/look for you mistakes" etc. Now I don't want to say I don't make mistakes. However I don't make a lot of mistakes that will cost the game, especially early. My general mistakes reside around warding in or small micro mistakes in the early game. I sometimes make larger mistakes int he mid and late game, if we ever even get there. In the current meta, just having 2 people inting will cost the game regardless or not me or myself and the other two minimizing mistakes, makes it an auto loss.
Nea104 (EUW)
: So they can troll **even more in Normals**? No thanks :D Temporary general ban would be nice, but they don't ban 'cause the player number is already too low.
Normal's is literally troll. However, they can have people monitoring the ones they are temporarily banning from ranked in their normal games (if they are getting reported). Through that, they can enforce actual bans if the player is just trolling in every game mode.
: > [{quoted}](name=BurakkuRozu9,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n2Y3UMuj,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-10-08T17:09:36.958+0000) > > You mean like Talon and LeBlanc? or do you mean Kassadin? Those are top in class burst damage threats. That's what they do. But, I would argue as an AP Champion, someone like Cassiopeia does more damage than LeBlanc, it is just consistent. You don't get aggravated when Xerath hits you with 4 Q's and you are sitting at 10% health. But Talon comes in and does the same in a single combo, and you get frustrated. Every champion has different damage values, but also different damage styles. Some require higher skill to hit, others are more difficult to use without dying, some are intended to nuke, some intended to poke. Without mobility, LeBlanc, Talon, Kassadin, all champions who would NEVER find damage at all in a fight. The difference is, most of them have to get ahead, or their damage becomes negligible and they are putting themselves at risk of dying when they go in.
1. People get aggravated if they are getting poked down. 2. Did you even read what the reply was to?
Hocker (NA)
: Full support behind this! But how do you differentiate between the people just having bad games and the people deliberately trolling? I think a ranked restriction, kind of like the chat bans, would be a good punishment for people who get consistent "negative behavior" reports (that are also valid). I can easily see something like this getting abused with players just bitter about a teammate who played poorly... so it would have to be something that's clearly identifiable. What if it's a ratio of negative behavior vs the rate of honors received vs KDA? That's three data points to weigh that would gauge a player's behavior so see if they should be in ranked games.
The way you would differentiate between players having bad games vs trolling is by having manual observations then manual banning. You can have a team based around reports and bans. They can review games that people have been reported in, which doesn't take long because they can literally just fast forward and rewind to watch instances that look like int. The problem in the sheer number, but the solution would be to actually hire a large team to monitor the vods. Like a REALLY large amount of people, spending hours watching recordings, as boring as that might be. It's easy to analyze whether or not someone is making a troll play if you are watching whats happening with vision, pings, chat, etc. Makes all the points almost, if not completely obsolete is you have actual people, who actually have game knowledge, reviewing the reported games.
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