Or he comes back like Jensen or IWillDominate and becomes the face of a brand. Plus he didn't actually hit anyone, he just made death threats. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}

> [{quoted}](name=Mazacardo,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=APgqrjrx,comment-id=00080000000100000001,timestamp=2017-11-04T02:23:48.492+0000) > > Oh hey its the idiot that said NA will be the most dominant region LMAO. You're right, what you said is pretty irrelevant and retarded just like your last remarks. The only relevant information is NA is inferior and garbage. Oh hey it's some random person who is mocking me for an optimistic remark that I made. Sad to see neck beards, you'll come out of the cave one day I believe in you.

> [{quoted}](name=MysterQ,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=gfIhXhue,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-27T15:49:33.178+0000) > > SSG > SKT > RNG = WE We will see.

> [{quoted}](name=NewbieY,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=APgqrjrx,comment-id=0008000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-24T03:54:36.977+0000) > > I really really cannot believe you are being serious. You are the kind of people who never get to know or experience something yet you somehow have a strong opinion because you heard someone talking about it once. I doubt you even remotely know what Nazism really is. But I hope you are happy within your little bubble of ignorance. After all, we are all just mere humans. Are you saying that Communism is viable? Look at the previous Communist nations. We've got: Vietnam, Cuba, Russia, Ethiopia, Somalia, Madagascar, Grenada, North Korea, Lao, China, Afghanistan, Aragon, Albania, Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Catalonia, Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Kampuchea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Rojava, Shinmin, Romania, Yugoslavia, and Zapatista territories. That's around 30-ish countries/territories/client states that identified as Communist in Earth's history, would you like to know how many are left in the world today? Here's a hint, not many. There are five: China, Lao, Vietnam, Cuba, and North Korea. Out of all of those the only one that stands out is China, because it has adopted a Capitalist market and has abandoned the true goal of Communism. In all aspects Communism is a failed ideology, both on paper and especially in practice. Most Communist states start as Socialist and devolve into either Fascism or a single party "republic". And to answer you're whole 'you don't know what National Socialism is' yes I do. National Socialism is a government ran by a single party, ran by a dictatorship, that pushes for racial segregation and a directed economy fixated towards benefiting the people. A good example of their directed economy would be the four year plan enacted by Goering to transform Germany from one of the weakest Western nations in Europe into an international power. Another would be the Volkswagen, People's(Folk's) Car, which was directed at creating an affordable car for the average German citizen to be able to navigate the inner cities and country as a whole. It is also worth mentioning that the Germans during this time period created the Autobahn as a means for military transportation and civilian transportation that would later heavily influence the highway systems we see in modern day. I recommend you read _Communism With The Mask Off And Bolshevism In Theory And Practice_ by Joseph Goebbels, and also _Manifesto For Breaking Financial Slavery To Interest_ by Gottfried Freder if you would like to look at what the National Socialists think of economics. Or you could just listen to whatever libtard media outlet that wants to say "Duh Natzees keeld Jews four ecornomicz" ignoring the fact that the Nazi-Sozis actually were a thriving nation before World War 2 and had a solid economic plan. Sure the holocaust happened but that doesn't mean that that's a free pass to ignore the ideology as a whole. Just like Communism, if you read the Communist manifesto you will find out just how bs the whole thing is without having to look any further, but if you do decide to look further it just confirms any suspicion that it is a failed ideology. Long story short, I know about as much as anyone should know about forms of government, but less than those who have an expertise (a college education) in that subject. No I don't think Communism, National Socialism, Capitalism, or any other form of modern market is perfect nor do I agree with all the practices carried out by the governments/nations who use them. But I will say that Communism has proven itself to be the absolute worse ideology comparatively to any other world ideology. Even Theocracy has Communism beat, and that's saying something. Lastly, if we want to get personal, I am definitely not a Liberal in the modern bastardized sense of the term. With that being said I am also not a Conservative of any means, especially the modern version which is much closer to the original Liberals. I will say that I am a Moderate, who does not vote based on party but based on policy. If your policy is to restrict and control the populace, like what you'll find in Socialism, than chances are I'm not voting for you. If you think that Anarchy is viable, I'd rather not acknowledge your existence let alone vote for you. But if you are sensible and build populist policy that benefits the people above all else, and promotes national pride, chances are you have my vote. If that means I don't starve in some hellhole of a country, so be it. If that means I don't experience what it's like to be in extreme poverty (i.e. homeless) than so be it. A little ignorance allows for the upper lower, middle, and upper classes to stay wealthy. Whether or not we live in a bubble is purely up to the individual, I for one have heard and seen evidence from both sides of the spectrum to know that both sides are filled to the brim with failed logic and idiocy. And yes, this is an article for a video game that has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about (which started as a sarcastic remark).

> [{quoted}](name=NewbieY,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=APgqrjrx,comment-id=00080000000100000000,timestamp=2017-10-20T22:23:48.762+0000) > > Genuine question: Did you experience Communism first hand? Are you Chinese or maybe you escaped from North Korea? Anything can be good or bad, M'kay. Genuine Answer: No, I prefer not starving to death and living in a country with a very high standard of living. So no, I haven't experienced China first hand. Communism is worse than Nazism M'kay.

> [{quoted}](name=Captain Tea,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=3Esrie3T,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-20T06:56:56.069+0000) > > So, SKT's group stage performance was abysmal, yet they still dumpstered C9. And C9 is going to win Worlds, with a performance even worse than abysmal? > NA fanboy logic Considering SKT lost to AHQ, and were on track to lose twice against EDG, yes it was abysmal. As goes C9 winning worlds, I don't know if you have this thing called a sense of humor but it really comes in handy when reading what I wrote. Anyone who thinks C9 can beat SSG is being very optimistic.

> [{quoted}](name=Abzan Lord,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=o8Ljdov1,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-10-18T21:18:23.400+0000) > > I love how NA has 2nd most votes. Same lol

> [{quoted}](name=NewbieY,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=APgqrjrx,comment-id=000800000001,timestamp=2017-10-18T23:21:58.883+0000) > > Not "a real country"?! Hahahahahah eh I hope you are joking No, no I wasn't. Communism is bad, M'kay.

> [{quoted}](name=Eetheart,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=APgqrjrx,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2017-10-18T13:35:00.126+0000) > > Just how ignorant are you allowed to be? Oh Americans. U needs tah learn yourself a lil somethin somethin bfor youins talks bout Muricans. Communism is bad, M'kay.

Obviously it's scripted.

> [{quoted}](name=Mazariamonti,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=o8Ljdov1,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-10-18T03:30:34.244+0000) > > I imagine he probably has a shelf in his room that just has a bunch of energy drink cans stacked up in a pyramid. And THAT is where his trophy will go. The Dream.

> [{quoted}](name=Phantom Pancake,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=o8Ljdov1,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-10-18T01:02:11.267+0000) > > C9 will win Worlds after 3 reverse sweeps in a row, it has to happen right? While playing Jungle Amumu, and mid lane Veigar? Yes.

> [{quoted}](name=Amort,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=OfbPzoEA,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-10-18T00:55:28.556+0000) > > i am such a big fan of c9 but we is overperforming, c9 seems wishy-washy, and then they have semi's vs longzhu or ssg. RIP. Lol I was joking.

Or maybe Cloud 9 wins this year, and all the asian teams lose? Food for thought.

And more importantly, why aren't you hosting Worlds in a real country? Communism is terrible, didn't you know?

Why no Imagine Dragons? Why can't you spend money on shows anymore Riot? I mean you're already selling the NA LCS off, so what the hell are you actually doing with the 100+ mill. you're getting? NO MORE CHEAP MUSIC!

> [{quoted}](name=IncrediPhiLL,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=riPHrJ0Y,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-15T11:47:14.641+0000) > > He’s an IMT fan... it’s not really fanboyism at that point. Actually, I'm an NA fan. I don't care if it was Team Coast at the tournament, I would put them as winning worlds.

http://pickem.lolesports.com/share/series/4/user/4320624/my-picks

Good news everyone, my pick-ems aren't that bad. 8-8, so I'm right about 50% of the time. http://pickem.lolesports.com/share/series/4/user/4320624/my-picks

Abandoning a team's original strategy and completely adopting a new one isn't actually adapting, if anything it's the exact opposite. If by adapting you mean throwing away everything for something different, than yes they 'adapted'. Anyways, moving on from that big bulk of bullshit, my pick-ems actually turned out rather nice. 33 points, could've been better but then again so could have NA in week 2. http://pickem.lolesports.com/share/series/4/user/4320624/my-picks

At the end of the day the #1 seed from every region except for Korea has been eliminated (except for EDG but that's most likely going to still happen). So really this looks like another throw away double Korean finalist again. And are you happy about that? Are you truly happy that every single year no region comes close to even challenging them? I'm sorry for actually having hope that my home region could at least preform this year. I still do, and next year (if C9 doesn't do much this year) I will bring back the exact same amount of enthusiasm for NA, regardless of the results.

Same, NA is better than Korea. Nothing you can do to change my mind. Why? Because C9 is going to win worlds.

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The first and last point you made are entirely personal issues that you would only know if you knew the players, something that I highly doubt that you do. As goes your second statement you're telling me that for the last three years the exact same problem has happened to 4 different teams from the same region, with literally thousands of people telling them the same bullshit excuses as to why they lost, and they didn't do anything to fix it? I find that incredibly hard to believe. I think that the reason why the week 2 flop is reoccurring has more to do with other teams being able to completely abandon their original strategies and make up a whole new one in the span of a week. That's what really is plaguing NA, it has nothing to do with adapting, emotions, or mindset, it has everything to do with the fact that NA teams run the same strategy every week hoping that their flaws will eventually go away through better play just to be surprised by new things other regions throw at them. And that's what I have to say aboot that mkay. #Tryharder

Google what ad hominem is, maybe then you can construct a real argument.

"RNG lost to G2 because they were being too arrogant" That's as if I said that IMT and TSM both lost all their games because they were too arrogant. That's as if I said that the FW lost all their games because they were too arrogant, or better yet 1907. Arrogance is not a real argument for why a team lost, because all teams can say they're arrogant if they lose. Secondly if C9 loses tomorrow I'm still going to call NA the best region at worlds. Why? Because I hate people like you saying that NA is worse than China, even after NA beats China going into the first week. Plus, if we're looking at week 1, NA was able to compete with Korea. To deny that is to completely ignore half of group stages. Why are they constantly losing in week 2 of groups? I have no idea. The score for NA at worlds for week 2 at groups since 2015 is a collective 4-22, where as week 1 stats paint a completely different story. How can a team that almost beats Longzhu one weak lose all their games the next? How can a Cloud 9 that got a pentakill against Huni's undefeated Fnatic, and go 3-0 in the first weak of groups, lose every single consecutive game after that? If you somehow have a miracle answer please let me know, because chopping it up to "NA just sucks" is underrating one of the best regions on Earth. #NABiasIsStillBetterThanLPLAndLCKBias #GoToSleep

I mean TSM was NA's weakest team going into worlds, in my pick-ems I had them in third place just because I know how bad TSM is as a team. The fact that they're so dominant in NA domestically is nothing more than a miracle in my eyes, anyone that knows me knows that I have never been a TSM fan. So is the fact that TSM lost groups a sign that NA as a region is bad? Hell no, the fact that IMT lost is a sign that NA as a region is bad. GET YOUR ARGUMENT AGAINST NA RHGIT!>!>!>>!>!

...I'm not salty, this is just a game.

Also it is worth mentioning that the LPL still sucks, just look at how RNG lost to G2 (a wildcard team).

I'm still here, and I still think C9 wins worlds 2017. In fact I think that now that they are the last hope of NA they will 3-0 SKT and LZ. Why? Because NA Bias will never die. Even after all NA teams get eliminated I will be rooting for C9 2017.

I was joking lol. There can be two things that are fact: NA will always flop in week 2 and Korea will always go to finals.

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I swear if G2 beats Samsung and takes first in group C, I'm uninstalling and never watching worlds again! RITO FIX THE SCRIPT! {{item:3070}}{{item:3070}} {{item:3070}} {{item:3070}} {{item:3070}}

Week 2 always has to ruin everything. {{item:3073}}

So far the only pick in my pick-ems that is correct is LZ taking first place in group B, and now that RNG has lost to G2 (an EU team) I predict that my pick-ems are going to all be wrong...except that Korea will come out in 1st in every group because when all else fails bet on the region you hate the most but know always wins. Sad times for NA...and China..and anyone not named Korea or Europe.

Did you even bother to read what I said about hypothetical information, or did you just skim it? Just in case you missed it, here it is again: > [{quoted}](name=C9 Magnus,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=wOWcg2Xo,comment-id=00000005000100000001,timestamp=2017-10-11T20:40:25.287+0000) > > I guess if you squinted hard at it, you could say that last year's results some how affect this year, but realistically that's not even slightly true and is much more speculative than anything that I've stated here. That is if we're talking nothing but relevant numbers here. But obviously that isn't the case because in your own argument you used speculation. Largely irrelevant information all round, including from me, but the difference is I never claimed not to have bias or speculation and you tried to use "That's just hypothetical" as an argument to discredit my own opinion. Of course it's hypothetical and speculation influenced by my own bias towards a region! That's the whole point of guessing who will win! That's why pick-ems exist! It's not to provide who had the best non-empirical analysis of worlds, it's to see who's bias is more based in reality. Sure this isn't pick-ems, but the whole point of arguing is to entertain the urge to root for your favorite teams. And those out there saying "If you look at the data of x,y,z games than you can clearly see that SKT etc. win in yada yada circumstances" but realistically that is nothing more than an educated guess on how a team will preform. Remember that every team at worlds is formed by people, and people will always make mistakes. In theory and in practice any team can win worlds, except for those already mathematically eliminated. If you want 0 bias, 0 speculation, 0 hypothetical, and only what can be 100% proven fact, all you're going to find are the amount of wins and losses each team has and player scores. Other than that you will find absolutely nothing in regards to what makes each teams better, not without including bias anyways. Now, having read it, understand that I clearly stated that ALL analysis that includes any assumptions are by nature speculative and/or hypothetical. Once again, quoting something I said about an NA team and saying "oo it's hypothetical" has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not I am right. And if you really need a definition of what hypothetical means, let me make things easy for you: Hypothetical 1. involving or based on a hypothesis 2. imagined as an example for further thought * a hypothetical situation Think about what that means. Even if you did include non-biased (non-empirical) information in a prediction, by nature it's still hypothetical if you have any form of a hypothesis or assumptions made towards who will win. If you think any team will win worlds, it's a hypothetical statement. BY THE VERY DEFINITION OF THE WORD IT MAKES 0 DEFERENCE WHO YOU CHOOSE TO WIN WORLDS, IT IS STILL HYPOTHETICAL!!!!!!!!!!! Now that we got that out of the way, to address the other issues, you are free to disagree with me all you want about NA. At the end of the day we will just have to agree to disagree, but I do still respect your opinion because everyone is in some way justified for choosing their teams for winning (unless they're already mathematically eliminated).

I guess if you squinted hard at it, you could say that last year's results some how affect this year, but realistically that's not even slightly true and is much more speculative than anything that I've stated here. That is if we're talking nothing but relevant numbers here. But obviously that isn't the case because in your own argument you used speculation. Largely irrelevant information all round, including from me, but the difference is I never claimed not to have bias or speculation and you tried to use "That's just hypothetical" as an argument to discredit my own opinion. Of course it's hypothetical and speculation influenced by my own bias towards a region! That's the whole point of guessing who will win! That's why pick-ems exist! It's not to provide who had the best non-empirical analysis of worlds, it's to see who's bias is more based in reality. Sure this isn't pick-ems, but the whole point of arguing is to entertain the urge to root for your favorite teams. And those out there saying "If you look at the data of x,y,z games than you can clearly see that SKT etc. win in yada yada circumstances" but realistically that is nothing more than an educated guess on how a team will preform. Remember that every team at worlds is formed by people, and people will always make mistakes. In theory and in practice any team can win worlds, except for those already mathematically eliminated. If you want 0 bias, 0 speculation, 0 hypothetical, and only what can be 100% proven fact, all you're going to find are the amount of wins and losses each team has and player scores. Other than that you will find absolutely nothing in regards to what makes each teams better, not without including bias anyways.

The only non-empirical analysis that can be made is that Korea is 8-1, NA is 6-3, China is 5-4, EU is 3-6, LMS is 1-5, and the two wild card teams are 1-5. Legitimately anything else stated is nothing but speculation and/or hypothetical, influenced by bias towards one region or the other. Therefore arguing that my argument is only hypothetical and speculation is irrelevant because all arguments are that way.

Very well put, Xmithie is one of my favorite players and is obviously talented. Anyone who doubted his role on the teams he's played for can clearly see the difference between Dardoch's IMT and Xmithie's IMT. I'm not saying that Dardoch is bad, but he just isn't what IMT needed at the time. Xmithie is my 2nd favorite jungler, right behind Hai's amumu.

I agree, and from one IMT fan to another I think that they have the best chance at getting to semis. That's some #IMTBias, but in all fairness the team has a very good org to support them so I'm looking forward to what they can achieve.

You wouldn't even believe how many people want to underrate C9 and say that TSM is the best NA team at worlds.

#NABiasBestBias

I think you're under estimating NA there friend. I think that after this week we will know if NA is actually good or not. If IMT does end up taking a game off LZ than we will know with absolute certainty that NA is here to compete, no questions asked.

Yes, but they aren't 3-0 and they don't have a Korean team in their group. Out of all the NA teams they are the only one to lose to a non-Korean team, and it was to a European team at that.

I agree, and I hope that NA can over come those issues. Maybe, just maybe, we don't have an all Korean finals again this year, but I have my doubts.

The fact that C9 is able to capitalize on the mistakes of other teams while not having the same done to them makes them good. You can say "EDG and AHQ lost those games themselves" all you want but that's just denying credit where credit is due. As goes NA not playing on the same level as any of the Korean teams or China's Cloud 9, I again disagree. IMT showed that they are at least as good as SSG, if not better, in their game against LZ. Nearly beating the number one seed in Korea is not something to be taken lightly.