: > [{quoted}](name=SoundChaosDebug,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1qng9aBv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-15T06:07:25.187+0000) What the hell is cool about landing a single ability and then an auto to nuke your opponent? Theres about a trillion different things you can do with a kit as complex as Azirs but what Zoes entire kit is tailored around literally landing one skillshot for damage. She has her spellthief as well sure, but that's just rng and is by no means a reliable source of damage.
> [{quoted}](name=CapnMorganFr3man,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1qng9aBv,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2018-08-15T16:32:49.103+0000) What the hell is cool about landing a single ability and then an auto to nuke your opponent? Theres about a trillion different things you can do with a kit as complex as Azirs but what Zoes entire kit is tailored around literally landing one skillshot for damage. She has her spellthief as well sure, but that's just rng and is by no means a reliable source of damage.
: Shes gonna turn out like azir did, had a lot of cool shit you can do but it's never balanced in the hands of people who know how to play.
> [{quoted}](name=SoundChaosDebug,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1qng9aBv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-15T06:07:25.187+0000) What the hell is cool about landing a single ability and then an auto to nuke your opponent? Theres about a trillion different things you can do with a kit as complex as Azirs but what Zoes entire kit is tailored around literally landing one skillshot for damage. She has her spellthief as well sure, but that's just rng and is by no means a reliable source of damage.
: I can't post on the PBE, but PLEASE redo all of High Noon Urgot's body textures
Right now he just kinda looks like battlecast urgot with a hat...
: > [{quoted}](name=Salvor Hardın,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PusRWQOd,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-08-02T13:15:47.856+0000) > > I'm tired of reading in stream publications "Smurf road to diamond" and stuff like that. > > If you're really good players, play on your main account, anyone in a middle league can climb a smurf, it's not funny. > > Smurfing to crush lower league players seems like a pathetic act to me. > > https://i.imgur.com/lJoNOzq.png There is no way to change your mind just like there is no way to combat smurfing. You can say as many bad words and try and make people feel guilty all you want but in the end... Your opinion about it don't matter at all because there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it.
> Your opinion about it don't matter at all because there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it. They could take duo queue out of Solo Ranked queue finally which would mean less incentive on average for players to make smurfs since they wouldnt be able to boost other players. Not to mention it would obviously also cut down boosting phenomenally which is another unhealthy part of ranked.
: > [{quoted}](name=CapnMorganFr3man,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=btYaMaj4,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-07-05T19:12:26.090+0000) > > You forgot the best one; when he legit calls out {{champion:254}} on not being a lesbian. his quote actual does quite the opposite to me. vs ally "Child, why would you sublimate a hunger? Have you forgotten who you are?" sublimating a hunger (or desire in this case) would more mean trying to be standard and fit in, as piltover/zaun are more of a victorian england vibe then present day, her truly being her (as many people think) wouldn't be accepted in that day and age. It could also refer to her history, as perhaps tahm thinks at heart, she's a thief/criminal, and has forgotten her true ways in favor of law enforcement. Also im ignoring this one as its more of a taunt then attacking her true nature "A boxer who thinks with her fists must inevitably punch with her face."
> [{quoted}](name=marpatt11,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=btYaMaj4,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-07-06T00:06:50.398+0000) > > his quote actual does quite the opposite to me. TIL being a lesbian is the opposite of being a criminal
: Exploring hidden meanings revealed by Sir Tahmold Kench The Second
You forgot the best one; when he legit calls out {{champion:254}} on not being a lesbian.
: Aatrox's skills go through Fiora W(cost me a ranked match)
I mean, if you lost this matchup I think theres a lot of other reasons you lost this game, but yeah this does need to be fixed
: I copy paste what I said in an other comment (TL;DR, you compare apple to orange): Their kit are extremely different, I can't compare Urgot to Aatrox in this sense because their whole kit have different function/gameplay. What I mean is that I play aatrox, played him on PBE and a bit on live, as someone who main Urgot and who also played poppy quite a bit top, your complain doesn't make sense. You need to work around your window of power, Aatrox passive is massive and it is YOUR JOB to find proper way to use this very strong dmg output who have an improved grievous wound. You say "Aatrox get nothing" but aatrox main dmg input is in his Q for example. Urgot work differently because his whole kit is balanced around his passive which is his damage input and what make him a mid game monster. Poppy have this passive to get stronger laning phase and trade, while her kit is a mix of... warden/bruiser work. Aatrox passive isn't what make his laning phase, it is a trading tool that you use during your trade. you get nothing on killing a minion because the reward is freaking HUGE landing his passive, it is a BIG chunk of damage and healing reduction coming with his Q damage. What you guys ask is that the dude permanently get a free trade every 25 sec XD A trade that FUCK UP SHIELD AND HEAL XD So you can't even like think "I play Riven, I come take this CS and immediatly E to tank his passive" because his passive HURT and have a natural property to allow him to win sade trade with this. It is call "window of power", it isn't that hard.
> [{quoted}](name=Nevrankroaton,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aMcHiBHh,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2018-07-03T17:00:30.322+0000) We're not complaining about learning to work around a champs damage windows. We're saying the time we have wait for that damage window is ridiculously long and stays that way throughout the game, and when you top it off with the fact that trying to farm can force you to wait another 24 seconds to get value from it is just stupid. Not to mention it doesn't even interact with your kit well at all since youre trying to keep champs at arms length to land qs. Even if you proc it and throw your entire kit after doing it theres still 12 seconds before the stupid thing comes back up, so quite frankly it might have one of the worst synergies with a champions kit than any other champion designed to date; which again makes you wonder how the hell did this champion make it past pbe?
Doozku (NA)
: A closer example to aatrox's passive is Kled W, but it's awkward because Kled's W is on a shorter cd and is way more important than Aatrox passive which means that you actually play around it more.
See that's the thing; Kleds W is a solid addition to his kit but the way it works doesn't make it feel like garbage when you use it on anything besides champions. I can use it to fast clear waves with tiamat, use it to kill minions to remount faster, use it on turrets for more faster damage/remount, or I can use the first two or three autos on minions then go in on a champ with the fourth hit for a quick solid trade. There are very solid advantages to proccing his w on minions, but Aatrox receives virtually nothing for proccing it on minions since it's so built around use against champions.
: This 'atrocious' 25 sec cooldown can be reduced by 20 sec using perfectly his kit (22 if you use your ultimate), which mean you could very well use twi your passive in a fight and it is huge. I don't see how it get so hard to also work on the timer of you passive, when I see I am at 3 sec, I just E toward my opponent as he CS or is near and get the passive proc. And if he want to fight, I start the dance. Idk, as I said, play urgot or poppy in lane to get how it work.
The two champions you list are examples of why aatroxs passive is so hilariously bad since it procs on minions. Poppys passive has cooldown half as short and it becomes 1/5th shorter at lv 16, it makes her attack ranged which can help farm safer, plus you get the shield instantly from killing a creep, so it's all around just as beneficial to use it on creeps as it is to use it on champs usually. As for Urgot, his leg CD is long but it gets incredibly shorter as you level up. You can also choose not to use your other legs on creeps and save them for fighting champs. Plus all the damage from your passive is aoe so you can use it to hard shove minion waves if you want. And on top of that (but this is something only Urgot mains do really,) your passive can be a huge help to farming since you can clear two or three minions with one auto, which means alot for a champion with such a slow attack speed. So both the champions you list get actual benefits from using their passives on minions in the laning phase, and when it gets to late game their cooldowns become so short it doesn't matter. Aatrox on the other hand has a flat 25 second cooldown, doesn't get shit from burning his passive on minions, and has to throw his entire kit on someone to get it back up.
: I like the new rework, but there are ways to improve him, with my one concern being that they overbuff him. I'm still pissed by the overall Nerf to Ornn since his launch. What if to compensate, it adds an extra 5 second to the cooldown. The cd can be reduced anyway, but it would still make available exclusively to champions in lane. Heck, maybe hitting large neutral minions with the Darken blade Edge could also reduce the cooldown so it wouldn't hurt him as a jungler. I just want him to get the right kind of buffs, because again, I like him enough that I don't want him to get the Ornn treatment.
The things about Ornn is his buffs were undeserved it's true, but that's partially because of how solid his kit is and how well all his abilities tie together for a combo. Aatrox's kit on the other hand is so stupidly juxtaposed I'm still scratching my head how it got out of pbe. You have a passive that encourages autos, qs that want you to stay a physical distance from the enemy (not to mention landing them is completely reliant on another ability,) anyone with boots can just walk out of the w, and dying in your ultimate still means you die anyway despite the revive unless it's a late game teamfight.
: Okay I'm complaining about these changes and my peak rank on my main was m1 100lp this account is p3 I have a gold account and a diamond account. Would you consider me qualified to complain about the current state of the game? I personally think this meta is shit, and the balancing has been going into a fast downwards spiral since october of last year.
Of course you have a right to complain since the meta actually affects you,but you of all people should definitely know then the lower you go, the less meta matters. It certainly doesn't have a real impact on all the gold and silver players in boards, maybe in the odd plat game it actually has an impact, but that's about it. Everyone else here besides you and the rest of the 5% are just parroting whatever streamers say about the game meta even when it doesn't hold true in their elo. Now that doesn't mean the three or four strongest champs in the game arent a problem in most levels of play, but I certainly dont believe the average player would feel a real impact of the tank/bruiser/assassin/whateverIjustlostmygameto meta.
: I've never hated a meta more than this one.
Why do you guys complain so hard about the state of the meta when 95% of you arent even in an elo where the meta actually matters? Sure there's maybe 4 champions that riot needs to nerf since they're overperforming across the board, but besides that the 'meta' is pretty irrelevant to anyone outside of Diamond & Masters/Challenger since those are the only elos where they can actually capitalize on early game snowballs/meta picks efficiently. The game gets a lot easier if you stop obsessing over meta picks and just stick to roles/champions you're good at.
: Good job, gameplay boards.
Those of you who are trying to argue {{champion:266}}s kit isnt fundamentally flawed; have you actually played him at all yet? It really doesn't take playing more than a few games to recognize he really is just a worse version of {{champion:92}} with some healing shoved into the kit.
: Changing Aatrox numbers won't fix how clunky he is, he needs quality of life changes
Would it really be that busted to just allow him to move like normal while he uses his Q like how {{champion:122}} works? Sure maybe they could give him a slow when he does it, but landing a skillshot that has to buffer before cast that is entirely dependent on having charges in your e is just flawed to begin with.
: I think his design is ACTUALLY balanced, something that I find hard to say for the rest of the 140+ champions.
> [{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AOrqEOhN,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-06-28T05:51:35.408+0000) > > I think his design is ACTUALLY balanced, something that I find hard to say for the rest of the 140+ champions. Why don't you actually play him before you say he's going to be in a decent spot? The champion is deeply flawed in his core mechanics. His W is as bad as {{champion:50}}s reworked W before the increased to size, only it's worse since you didnt have to worry about minions blocking it with {{champion:50}}. Unless you're playing against an ape, you're not going to land all your qs, not to mention you have to keep players at an arms length to land them which is counterintuitive since you're a melee champion with an attack mod passive. The damage from the ultimate is okay, but the revive is pretty pointless for anything but tower diving since the hp you get back is minuscule usually plus the fact that your cooldowns are so long you really dont have anything to fight back with so when you res so you just revive and anyone can sneeze on you after to kill you.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Not doing yourself any favors, as ive never player more than like 20 games of ranked, and ive played since pre season 1. So again, mages are AP based spellcasters.
If you've actually been around since **beta** I find it extremely disturbing that you still cant differentiate between classes. Now I've used sources to prove that you're wrong, but if you want to willingly choose ignorance and essentially argue that 'bananas are fruits, therefore all fruits are bananas,' who am I to stop you I guess? Understand that your deeply flawed definition of the Mage Class is shared with neither the game developers nor the community members at least.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Thats literally what a mage is in ANY game, and what the fantasy term mage means. Its a magic user, or in LoL terms any AP based champ who uses spells for damage.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R6Wl49ao,comment-id=000d0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-27T21:21:23.511+0000) > > Thats literally what a mage is in ANY game, and what the fantasy term mage means. Its a magic user, or in LoL terms any AP based champ who uses spells for damage. Alright since you're still not clicking the links I'm giving you here is the list of champions categorized as mages by the **company, Riot Games,** the **creators of League of Legends** and not **Pika Fox, the hardstuck silver player who's been in the game for maybe two seasons.** The list of all champions considered mages are {{champion:126}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:30}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:68}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:1}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:142}} {{champion:143}}. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Mage here's the source just in case you want to read it but I know you probably won't Now I'm telling you, as a seasoned player who actually plays this game regularly since its creation and has a pretty deep understanding of how game compositions work for it, you have almost never been by any means obligated to have a champion from this list somewhere on your team (even as long as this list might be) since there were other champions who could provide reliable AP damage on your team. The marksman class, however, despite containing **only 17 champions,** was always autoincluded in every team composition because of how ridiculously good/reliable their damage output has been until recently.
Pika Fox (NA)
: A mage is any champion who primarily deals damage and builds AP. An ADC is any champion who builds AD and is meant to carry the game. While ADC is most commonly used as a standin for RADCs, assassins can fit the lable of an ADC, although theyre more volitile.
Since you don't know how Google works I'm just gonna post this here for you. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Champion_classes?useskin=oasis You can see from this that slayers/assassins, marksmen and mages are 3 distinctively different classes. You're trying to argue that the definition of the mage class is anything that deals damage and uses ability power... which is a hilariously generalized statement. But sure if the silver player wants to argue that his theoretical champion class which makes up roughly 50% of the champion pool has an impact in every game, he's right. However, the community/game developer definition of a mage has in no way made the regular appearance in every game the way marksman have until recently.
: Holy shit Aatrox feels AWFUL.
I'm pretty sure memelord Hashinshin was right about this one. You can get better at landing your qs no matter how stiff they are, but even if you manage to land them all you still probably haven't killed whatever bruiser you're fighting against and you have no way of getting away from them since you burned all your e charges to land your abilities probably. In the laning phase at least he's just an easier to punish version of Riven.
Pika Fox (NA)
: .... Singed is the only non mage you put. An AP assassin is still a mage.
> An AP assassin is still a mage. So by your reasoning {{champion:141}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:56}} are all adcs because they deal physical damage? Mages are defined by Riot and the community as "ranged spellcasters," not "champions who have ap damage." Seriously, go look up which category each champion falls into before you try to argue something as stupid as 'it deals ap damage so it must be a mage.'
ADC Bard (NA)
: Fallout 76 is gonna kill league. You can use Nukes ! NUKES ! I always dreamed of nuking people in video games. {{champion:432}}
So play starcraft then? Or arent half the kill streak rewards from CoD and the like basically nukes anyway?
Pika Fox (NA)
: Mages. Without solid AP damage youd just get malph/rammus/taric on the enemy team and rofl'd to death.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R6Wl49ao,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2018-06-27T15:53:42.749+0000) > > Mages. Without solid AP damage youd just get malph/rammus/taric on the enemy team and rofl'd to death. Nope. There are plenty of non mage champions that fill the gap just fine with their damage. {{champion:84}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:27}} {{champion:76}} are all solid alternative forms of AP damage and none of them are considered mages.
: The Boards sucks at comparing champions
I wouldn't say boards are bad about comparing champions. Really it's just the angrier members of the community who want to cherry pick to make their argument seem more convincing
: Playing ADC was never fun.
Think about it this way; for the past four or five seasons, what other champ role has to be autoincluded in a team composition for it to be viable besides ranged marksman? What other champ role besides ranged marksman has to be played in the bot lane otherwise itd be considered trolling until recently? If I said one of your teammates was required to pick one of fifteen champions regardless of the elo you're in to actually be able to play the game; doesn't that scream unhealthy considering theres 100+ champions in the game? Maybe ranged marksman isnt the strongest role in the game; but the impact its had in the game for the longest time has been way too strong.
: > [{quoted}](name=Kythers,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=0oTA1MYE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-26T07:46:11.836+0000) > > silver players ruined this game prove me wrong (I wont read it) what about bronze
> [{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=0oTA1MYE,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-26T07:49:58.342+0000) > > what about bronze Bronzers are fine because they know they're the lowest of the low. Silver and gold players are what make up most of the community's whiners since they can't climb and usually choose to blame everyone but themselves for why they've spent six seasons hardstuck silver/gold. 'I've logged a thousand games and I'm still gold 3 so it must be my teammates faults or Riots fault, it's definitely not mine' is the usual reasoning from most of them.
Rippy (NA)
: Completely Done With In Game Verbal Abuse...
Toxicity has always been present in the game and it always will be, theres absolutely nothing Riot can do to control human nature. Why complain and worry about what Riot can do to fix it when all you have to do is press the mute button when people get angsty?
: They should make it so theres an even chance at all aram map variants
> [{quoted}](name=T3H UB3RN07,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dlncmgR8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-23T07:26:52.595+0000) > > They should make it so theres an even chance at all aram map variants I think itd be more fun if the aram maps were seasonal. Butchers Bridge in the Spring and Summer and the freljord one in Fall and Winter
Lapis (OCE)
: How do you find just one champion to play?
Nhifu (NA)
: Worse time now than ever to play league
I too, was angry and hardstuck in silver once. Then I just stopped shouting at riot, accepted the game the way it was, played nothing but one champion, and shot all the way up to plat.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Its actually consistent. Champs with a multi proc ability that require multiple inputs to actually use consider the first cast the actual spell/ability and the 2nd doesnt get interrupted as its already been cast.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xycEGdW4,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-06-19T13:37:30.704+0000) > > Its actually consistent. Champs with a multi proc ability that require multiple inputs to actually use consider the first cast the actual spell/ability and the 2nd doesnt get interrupted as its already been cast. {{champion:555}} q 2nd proc gets interrupted by literally any cc
Kazo Kurosu (EUNE)
: t-thx riot
Malphite you are a fucking worthless brainded scumfuck bastard pile of trash mental dickface that should be gunned down in the street like the degenerate you are
: Unfortunately, with ADCs not being meta, that pulled tanks and enchanters away from being as useful. This means that fighters are now able to roll over everyone easily. Which means tons of random shit is meta now. Best/most fed bruiser (or just the team with the most bruisers) wins game.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GfwEKEEE,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-06-18T18:33:47.889+0000) > > Which means tons of random shit is meta now. Best/most fed bruiser (or just the team with the most bruisers) wins game. I didnt realize {{champion:63}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:9}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:157}} were considered bruisers now.
DearPear (EUW)
: Shouldn't it add a fear (or charm) effect on his spin, with the towel lifting up and all?
> Shouldn't it add a fear (or charm) effect on his spin, with the towel lifting up and all? Or better yet it triggers everyone's laugh emote
: So technically, it all narrows down to whether your mid laner isn't a complete retard & feeds the Yi/Taric mid.
> it all narrows down to whether your mid laner isn't a complete retard & feeds the Yi/Taric mid. And can you guess what role OP mains? I'll give you a hint; he mains katarina and yasuo.
: THANK YOU RIOT. for creating this cancer meta.
At least its innovative and new compared to the same cookie cutter champion compositions we've had the past 5 seasons. Honestly we're starting to see real diversity to team compositions, a chance at dissolving the forced meta of adc bot, mage mid, tank/bruiser top and you people think that's a problem? Yeah, yi needs a nerf given his current state, but don't howl in rage and call something cancer just because it's a new way of doing things. Especially when it's a strategy that can be easily countered if you took the time to read into it.
haenex (EUNE)
: I can describe league state in 4 words
How about 'no pleasing you people'?
Swegmec (NA)
: Buffing towers would fix multiple other gameplay issues
Honestly outer turret damage has always been in a pretty decent spot; the real issue lately has been alot of high mobility champs ({{champion:238}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:39}}) that can drive by burst squishies in a couple of seconds without taking much turret aggro OR champs that just ignore turret aggro completely ({{champion:8}} {{champion:11}}.) They need nerfs sure, but buffing turret damage won't make it any harder for these champs to dive you and it just kills other fairer eg champs' lanes completely. Really the only thing turrets need are an armor/hp buff so dying once in lane doesn't mean you lose your turret despite it having full hp.
: Riot needs to decide who their core audience is.
Seriously? We just got done with some of the longest game times in the history of the game and you're all wondering why riot, after months of you all complaining about it, decided to aggressively shorten game lengths? It's not some big conspiracy; you people complain about stuff, they tend to listen and make changes based on it. Granted they go overboard sometimes with changes, but itll all even out at some point like it always does.
Cosnirak (NA)
: Old Aatrox isn't brooding, doesn't have a God complex, and isn't even edgy.
> [{quoted}](name=Cosnirak,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FPkdqvJW,comment-id=000000030000,timestamp=2018-06-14T15:24:41.310+0000) > > Old Aatrox isn't brooding, doesn't have a God complex, and isn't even edgy. "_Violence is elegance_" "_Peace is the greatest lie of all_" "_Sow the seeds of strife_" "_Teach them to fear us_" **Hmmmm**
Nylisa (EUW)
: Kled: get off my property
The {{champion:44}} one is the best imo "_Hail Taric! Aspect of... of-_ **GET A HAIRCUT**"
Kelg (NA)
: I hate to be that guy...
{{champion:41}}s old character was super contradictory to his old lore. His bio describes him as a kid who's kicked around his whole life by his father to condition him into becoming a murderous cutthroat so he can take over as ruler of the dread fleet, which he does so by stabbing his father in the back as soon as he comes of age. And yet when you queued up as gp the first thing you hear is 'YAR HAR FIDDLDY DEE.' Yeah they did a complete 360 with him, but his character didn't even match his bio and what they intended to begin with.
: Nobody argues that it does not fit the backstory, it's just not the Aatrox some people were attached to. Plus that ALIEN WARGOD OF DESTRUCTION AND RAGE is something EVERY 12 year old comes up with, it takes some more effort making a nuanced character.
> [{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=FPkdqvJW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-13T09:22:25.651+0000) > Plus that ALIEN WARGOD OF DESTRUCTION AND RAGE is something EVERY 12 year old comes up with, it takes some more effort making a nuanced character. Implying edgy, whispery, brooding battle demon with a God complex isn't every other preteens wet dream. For further archetype reference see Sasuke kun, Shadow the Hedgehog, and Seto Kaiba.
: So I tried out Aatrox and here are my thoughts
I think everyone's forgetting the qs might be easy to dodge in a 1v1 scenario, but in a teamfight where theres 4 other champions to worry about 3 chances at an aoe catch are pretty solid no matter how clunky they are.
Tomo7 (OCE)
: A list of every known Yorick bug as of patch 8.12
Really wish they would just let players have control of Maiden if she enters a certain range around {{champion:83}} . Oh the laner ran into the brush? I'm sorry I have to go suicide into turret now.
: Remember old {{champion:41}} . As much as i like him being a absolute Badass i´d take old Gangplanks jolly self any day.
> [{quoted}](name=Tokogawaruf,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NF8Vh66G,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-06-13T08:46:52.662+0000) > > Remember old {{champion:41}} . As much as i like him being a absolute Badass i´d take old Gangplanks jolly self any day. The problem is old {{champion:41}}s character was super contradictory with his old lore. The old bio describes a hardened man conditioned by his father from a young age to be a vicious and unforgiving cutthroat, and then you queue up and the first thing you get is 'YAR HAR FIDDLY DEE.' He had an interesting personality sure, but right off the bat I dont think he was what they intended him to be story wise.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolfeur,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=b2F286zK,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-06-12T21:27:40.899+0000) > (And guys, people have accents in real life, they can have accents in a game…) Except why would a War driven blood shedding spirit trapped in a sword talk like he's had nothing but Vodka in his system all his life and wears a tracksuit.
> [{quoted}](name=MetaVolca,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=b2F286zK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-12T21:32:24.971+0000) > > Except why would a War driven blood shedding spirit trapped in a sword talk like he's had nothing but Vodka in his system all his life and wears a tracksuit. Why wouldn't he?
: > [{quoted}](name=CapnMorganFr3man,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KytB7eez,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-06-12T17:27:11.722+0000) > > I agree with everything except actual bruisers are in a pretty healthy state. > {{champion:164}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:39}} are always the champions people are complaining about they they say 'bruisers are busted' since they're the actual problems with the game right now, but actual bruisers ({{champion:122}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:6}}) have always been pretty fair to play against given their extremely transparent weaknesses. I am a bruiser main. I currently main Irelia, Darius, Kled and Yasuo. Irelia and Darius are busted, ESPECIALLY with conqueror. I have tried Urgot and his damage is a joke, you find 10 Ad on the sidewalk and you can one shot people, same thing with Illaoi. Kled has counterplay and I think he is fine unless he is fed, but anyone who is fed is op.
Yeah you can one shot as Illaoi and Urgot, but all their skills are clunky and pretty easy to dodge, ESPECIALLY Urgot. Not to mention hard cc pretty much stops them in their tracks and Ignite or Grievous wounds kills half Illaoi's survivability. As for Darius, the rule is still the same as its always been; any ADC with half a brain kites him until he's dead, you miss your e on Vayne or Lucian and that's it, you lost the fight.
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I agree with everything except actual bruisers are in a pretty healthy state. {{champion:164}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:39}} are always the champions people are complaining about they they say 'bruisers are busted' since they're the actual problems with the game right now, but actual bruisers ({{champion:122}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:6}}) have always been pretty fair to play against given their extremely transparent weaknesses.
: Aside from Irelia already having received attention, and Camille being fairly new, Jax could use a VU, as well as a slight re-work. As for A-A Ron? FUCKIN ROLL OUT THE CHANGES I'VE BEEN WAITIN FOR YEARS BOYS!
> [{quoted}](name=Stand Alone Wolf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6bF60ybV,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-11T19:18:36.746+0000) > > Aside from Irelia already having received attention, and Camille being fairly new, Jax could use a VU, as well as a slight re-work. Camille's been out two years and the point isnt that these three are in need of reworks, it's that their current states have made it so they're so strong players can abuse them in most lanes/roles at this point, which is extremely unhealthy for the game. Dont you think aatroxs current playstyle implies his rework will follow suite? Making him unhealthy to the game for a few months until hes nerfed backed to square one?
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