Real Lyze (EUW)
: You can not really make a reliable list in such a short time period. He was released 3 days ago on the PBE. Riot themselves with their mass and reliabilty of information need weeks to assess where he stands balancewise. At this point no one knows how to play this champ. No one knows his weakness, strenghts, how to play with or against him. People are trying him out and still explore what he is capable of doing.
> [{quoted}](name=Real Lyze,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eoLTKxh2,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-01-11T14:48:43.580+0000) It's not really about learning what he can do when we already know his core concept is EXTREMELY flawed. Giving one champion access to over 140 abilities is going to make for ridiculously high inconsistency, which is going to be a balancing nightmare. To make up for this he needs to be either very self sufficient without his ultimate counting for the times whatever ultimates he steals will be trash, OR he has to be nerfed into the ground accounting for the three or four ultimates he can use which synergize with his kit way too well. There really can't ever be a middle ground with a champion like this, he either has to be banned every game or made unplayable.
: Top lane Ornn got murdered hard this patch
Can't murder what's already dead, my dude
nelogis (EUW)
: Which old champions do you think would completely annihilate todays League?
Reworked {{champion:41}} right as he came out would be brutal to see again. Dude was rocking a 60/70%ish winrate and that's when people BARELY understood how to combo with him.
Kamille W (EUW)
: Playing Nasus after the buffs
Literally everyone higher than silver seeing this https://imgur.com/a/OjjoO1d
: Does Riot just want to see Nasus in Pro player or what?
All the buffs do is make him stomp even harder in low elo, he'll still stay garbage in just about every rank above silver since the buffs dont fix any of his real issues.
Mindzur (NA)
: Kha'Zix is WAYYYYYYY too safe and WAYYYYYY too easy for the damage he puts out.
My favorite part of these vent posts are when I op.gg op's account and see he's never played the champion he's ranting about a day in his life but acts like he still knows what he's talking about
: how do u justify a tank getting absolutely stomped by an assassin in laning phase?
Silver players overextending thinking the lane is a free win since they picked a tank into an assassin?
: The biggest problem I've had with league since I started playing was that people don't care about team comp at all. They care about what they _queued up to play as. _ So when the top half of your team comps looks like this {{champion:41}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:84}} or this {{champion:8}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:91}} EVERY SINGLE GAME. People forget this magical CC has to come from somewhere. I'd love to play Orianna more, but I end up playing sion and galio mid constantly to at least have something going.
> [{quoted}](name=oortoomeebreesuu,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=MwRsxHf0,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-12-30T21:22:58.387+0000) It's always better to have people play whatever they queued up otherwise they'll usually be useless. What's the point in having someone play a cc tank if they're just going to miss everything?
: > [{quoted}](name=CapnMorganFr3man,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3dGpXRyE,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-12-28T19:19:00.695+0000) > > Mostly because boards is the echo chamber of low elo players who vent about every aspect of the game. There have been a lot of legitimate problems with league in the past year it's no secret, and as a result it's established a premise where if something annoys or irritates you in the game, it's actually a huge problem with the game that needs to be fixed by Riot immediately. Now obviously that doesn't mean every problem boards talks about isn't worth looking into, but it's pretty understandable why game developers stop responding to posts when you have Iron I/Silver IV players demanding riot Nerf Xerath Support, nerf Veigar support, nerf Brand, remove Yasuo, permanently ban all toxic players, nerf turrets, buff turrets, and post a livestream of the beheading of CertainlyT. I'd tune the bulk of you out as well after awhile all you do is complain. No offense (unless you want to take it personally) I mean league of legends has been a game with a player base that has over 70% of the players in the "low elo region" as you stated. So your point being that the opinion of people who aren't good enough in the game shouldn't matter is delusional. This game is built FOR everyone. So ideally if someone feels the need to convey their opinion about the balance of some character or the gameplay on itself, that's what the boards should be for. Not for people to bicker about how unstable the platform is. But alas, this isn't an ideal world and there are some egotistical people who can't become pro players, who still insist they are better than the average player base and say things like "It isn't worth looking into". Hey but what do I know, I am just another elo player whose opinions shouldn't matter right. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> [{quoted}](name=dragonalchemist,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3dGpXRyE,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2018-12-29T03:08:48.939+0000) Yeah, call me delusional, but i personally prefer it when the health of the game rests more on the shoulders of the 2% of the playerbase who spend their daily lives learning the game backwards and forwards, as opposed to the 70% of the population most of whom are probably 11 years old, and most of whom probably spend their time playing maybe 20 ranked games in a year to one trick yasuo in silver. Nothing wrong with not becoming a pro player or not hitting challenger in solo q, just don't act like your opinion deserves to be taken seriously when it comes to balancing issues ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
: when bronze and silver player thinks they are diamond player lol
> [{quoted}](name=Dark Vaatu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YBHj0Gih,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-28T03:24:16.437+0000) when bronze and silver player thinks anyone cares about their games lol
: Pretty shocking to see Riot not even talking to us anymore.
Mostly because boards is the echo chamber of low elo players who vent about every aspect of the game. There have been a lot of legitimate problems with league in the past year it's no secret, and as a result it's established a premise where if something annoys or irritates you in the game, it's actually a huge problem with the game that needs to be fixed by Riot immediately. Now obviously that doesn't mean every problem boards talks about isn't worth looking into, but it's pretty understandable why game developers stop responding to posts when you have Iron I/Silver IV players demanding riot Nerf Xerath Support, nerf Veigar support, nerf Brand, remove Yasuo, permanently ban all toxic players, nerf turrets, buff turrets, and post a livestream of the beheading of CertainlyT. I'd tune the bulk of you out as well after awhile all you do is complain.
: Not counting fiora's ultimate, and just her passive, it feels more balanced than other sources of true damage like YI/vayne/camile
> [{quoted}](name=dracocrash,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6gAAPsIT,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-12-28T03:43:33.220+0000) Well yeah because {{champion:114}} has to hit her marks which are also randomly generated; so to actually get the bulk of her true damage in requires positioning, timing, and a little bit of luck. Her ultimate isn't even that strong quite frankly since you just have to hug a wall to deny her the 4th proc. {{champion:11}} and {{champion:67}} just auto you until you die.
Rioter Comments
: This needs to stop Riot Games
I think my favorite part of posts like these are when you op.gg op's account and he turns out to be in Iron IV
: Toxic Chat: Overwatch got it right
Or how about- and stop me if this sounds too insane- you suck it up and use the mute button since that's literally all it takes to silence toxicity in games?
: Yugioh is more balanced than League right now and even Yugioh fixes their mistakes
Tbh yugioh was busted from the start since all your decks are turn two kills. Its a wonder why mtg has the bigger playerbase
zoliking (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=CapnMorganFr3man,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ksvw2nJ8,comment-id=0018000000000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-28T01:53:39.031+0000) > > How about this then? I regularly see damage supports perform well not only in my **PLATINUM LEVEL GAMES** but also in **CHALLENGER LEVEL STREAMS** and **PROFESSIONAL PLAY** where half they time they do more fucking damage than the midlane mage, so much to the point where yes, they can and do get picked on an all ad team where they can and do round out a composition's damage beautifully which is what your flawed argument was about to begin with. Oh, the "I've seen a pro player do it" nonsensery. 2:33 in the following: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnl-h52cDEs
> [{quoted}](name=zoliking,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ksvw2nJ8,comment-id=00180000000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-28T02:12:30.646+0000) > > Oh, the "I've seen a pro player do it" nonsensery. 2:33 in the following: way to cherry pick but I said **IN ALL LEVELS OF PLAT AND HIGHER** not just pro play. And I've seen it done successfully and, more importantly, **CONSISTENTLY SUCCESSFUL** in all these levels and even beneath them
zoliking (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=CapnMorganFr3man,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ksvw2nJ8,comment-id=00180000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-11-28T01:14:21.356+0000) > > Look bud. You can scream up is down it all you want but it doesn't make you any less wrong. Better players than you can and do pick damage mages to support with and they can and do perform better in their games better than you. Stop trying to argue. You don't understand the game well. End of discussion. This ad hominem bullshit is grating on my nerves, buddy. Either put up a counterargument if you are such a fucking guru or fuck off.
> [{quoted}](name=zoliking,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ksvw2nJ8,comment-id=001800000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-28T01:30:20.539+0000) > > This ad hominem bullshit is grating on my nerves, buddy. Either put up a counterargument if you are such a fucking guru or fuck off. How about this then? I regularly see damage supports perform well not only in my **PLATINUM LEVEL GAMES** but also in **CHALLENGER LEVEL STREAMS** and **PROFESSIONAL PLAY** where half they time they do more fucking damage than the midlane mage, so much to the point where yes, they can and do get picked on an all ad team where they can and do round out a composition's damage beautifully which is what your flawed argument was about to begin with.
zoliking (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=CodyIicious,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ksvw2nJ8,comment-id=001800000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-11-27T22:19:17.752+0000) > > I've gotten my rank solely off support and more often than not top the damage charts with magic damage dealers, also you can use champion.gg to see how much damage they do in their respective role, so rank shaming aside how about some statistical evidence to avert a ridiculous statement hmm? \#1: Dealing damage is not high up in the support job description. I think there might be a footnote at the end of the last page in fine print saying "and deal whatever damage you can if you have the time, just don't forget to get the kills to one of your carries" \#2: Damage is a mostly meaningless statistic even in roles where killing is part of the job. You can deal 5000 damage by hunting down 3 enemy squishies for a thousand gold for your team or deal 5000 damage jumping into the middle of the enemy team with some aoe, dying for nothing and having them all just heal it out eventually. So congrats on your statistical "evidence".
> [{quoted}](name=zoliking,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ksvw2nJ8,comment-id=0018000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-11-28T00:56:31.691+0000) > > \#1: Dealing damage is not high up in the support job description. I think there might be a footnote at the end of the last page in fine print saying "and deal whatever damage you can if you have the time, just don't forget to get the kills to one of your carries" > \#2: Damage is a mostly meaningless statistic even in roles where killing is part of the job. You can deal 5000 damage by hunting down 3 enemy squishies for a thousand gold for your team or deal 5000 damage jumping into the middle of the enemy team with some aoe, dying for nothing and having them all just heal it out eventually. > So congrats on your statistical "evidence". Look bud. You can scream up is down it all you want but it doesn't make you any less wrong. Better players than you can and do pick damage mages to support with and they can and do perform better in their games better than you. Stop trying to argue. You don't understand the game well. End of discussion.
zoliking (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=CodyIicious,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ksvw2nJ8,comment-id=0018000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-27T20:05:28.030+0000) > > you're bronze 3 that tells me all I need to know lol I gave you solid reasoning. The fact that you responded by rank shaming is all I need to know about how much you know about the role or the issue.
> [{quoted}](name=zoliking,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ksvw2nJ8,comment-id=00180000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-27T20:09:17.993+0000) He's not really rank shaming so much as proving a point that your understanding of the game is extremely flawed given your track record from the amount of seasons logged is pretty bad. It's one thing to be new to the game and struggling to get out of bronze, but if you've played 4 or 5 seasons and still have trouble that's a sign you're probably looking at the game the wrong way. Might wanna stop arguing with people higher up than you since their knowledge is usually more accurate, or better yet don't concern yourself about damage distribution of a team ever since that shit doesn't really matter in bronze or silver.
: Pick Renekton into melee assassins mid
{{champion:6}}: you don't seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with all of you {{champion:238}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:84}}: ... {{champion:6}}: YOU'RE ALL LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME
Kelg (NA)
: New champ in a nutshell
At least this one looks like she'll actually bring some interesting new gameplay to the table instead of 'press q to delete'
Saezio (EUNE)
: Poll : What ruins your game the most?
It deeply disturbs me that a solid portion of the playerbase doesn't know how the mute button works...
: The score is 15-0 at 8 minutes. Stop holding the game hostage
>OP in Bronze 5 Are you memeing bro? Or do you genuinely believe its that hard to come back from a 15 kill difference in anything under plat, much less Bronze?
Neriticc (EUW)
: Tryndamere is very fun to play against.
I remember the days when a full stacked {{champion:122}} dunk would burn right through his heal and bleed him out after the ult wore off. Good times. Good times
: > [{quoted}](name=SoundChaosDebug,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1qng9aBv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-15T06:07:25.187+0000) What the hell is cool about landing a single ability and then an auto to nuke your opponent? Theres about a trillion different things you can do with a kit as complex as Azirs but what Zoes entire kit is tailored around literally landing one skillshot for damage. She has her spellthief as well sure, but that's just rng and is by no means a reliable source of damage.
> [{quoted}](name=CapnMorganFr3man,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1qng9aBv,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2018-08-15T16:32:49.103+0000) What the hell is cool about landing a single ability and then an auto to nuke your opponent? Theres about a trillion different things you can do with a kit as complex as Azirs but what Zoes entire kit is tailored around literally landing one skillshot for damage. She has her spellthief as well sure, but that's just rng and is by no means a reliable source of damage.
: Shes gonna turn out like azir did, had a lot of cool shit you can do but it's never balanced in the hands of people who know how to play.
> [{quoted}](name=SoundChaosDebug,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1qng9aBv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-15T06:07:25.187+0000) What the hell is cool about landing a single ability and then an auto to nuke your opponent? Theres about a trillion different things you can do with a kit as complex as Azirs but what Zoes entire kit is tailored around literally landing one skillshot for damage. She has her spellthief as well sure, but that's just rng and is by no means a reliable source of damage.
: I can't post on the PBE, but PLEASE redo all of High Noon Urgot's body textures
Right now he just kinda looks like battlecast urgot with a hat...
: > [{quoted}](name=Salvor Hardın,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PusRWQOd,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-08-02T13:15:47.856+0000) > > I'm tired of reading in stream publications "Smurf road to diamond" and stuff like that. > > If you're really good players, play on your main account, anyone in a middle league can climb a smurf, it's not funny. > > Smurfing to crush lower league players seems like a pathetic act to me. > > https://i.imgur.com/lJoNOzq.png There is no way to change your mind just like there is no way to combat smurfing. You can say as many bad words and try and make people feel guilty all you want but in the end... Your opinion about it don't matter at all because there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it.
> Your opinion about it don't matter at all because there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it. They could take duo queue out of Solo Ranked queue finally which would mean less incentive on average for players to make smurfs since they wouldnt be able to boost other players. Not to mention it would obviously also cut down boosting phenomenally which is another unhealthy part of ranked.
: > [{quoted}](name=CapnMorganFr3man,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=btYaMaj4,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-07-05T19:12:26.090+0000) > > You forgot the best one; when he legit calls out {{champion:254}} on not being a lesbian. his quote actual does quite the opposite to me. vs ally "Child, why would you sublimate a hunger? Have you forgotten who you are?" sublimating a hunger (or desire in this case) would more mean trying to be standard and fit in, as piltover/zaun are more of a victorian england vibe then present day, her truly being her (as many people think) wouldn't be accepted in that day and age. It could also refer to her history, as perhaps tahm thinks at heart, she's a thief/criminal, and has forgotten her true ways in favor of law enforcement. Also im ignoring this one as its more of a taunt then attacking her true nature "A boxer who thinks with her fists must inevitably punch with her face."
> [{quoted}](name=marpatt11,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=btYaMaj4,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-07-06T00:06:50.398+0000) > > his quote actual does quite the opposite to me. TIL being a lesbian is the opposite of being a criminal
: Exploring hidden meanings revealed by Sir Tahmold Kench The Second
You forgot the best one; when he legit calls out {{champion:254}} on not being a lesbian.
: Aatrox's skills go through Fiora W(cost me a ranked match)
I mean, if you lost this matchup I think theres a lot of other reasons you lost this game, but yeah this does need to be fixed
: I copy paste what I said in an other comment (TL;DR, you compare apple to orange): Their kit are extremely different, I can't compare Urgot to Aatrox in this sense because their whole kit have different function/gameplay. What I mean is that I play aatrox, played him on PBE and a bit on live, as someone who main Urgot and who also played poppy quite a bit top, your complain doesn't make sense. You need to work around your window of power, Aatrox passive is massive and it is YOUR JOB to find proper way to use this very strong dmg output who have an improved grievous wound. You say "Aatrox get nothing" but aatrox main dmg input is in his Q for example. Urgot work differently because his whole kit is balanced around his passive which is his damage input and what make him a mid game monster. Poppy have this passive to get stronger laning phase and trade, while her kit is a mix of... warden/bruiser work. Aatrox passive isn't what make his laning phase, it is a trading tool that you use during your trade. you get nothing on killing a minion because the reward is freaking HUGE landing his passive, it is a BIG chunk of damage and healing reduction coming with his Q damage. What you guys ask is that the dude permanently get a free trade every 25 sec XD A trade that FUCK UP SHIELD AND HEAL XD So you can't even like think "I play Riven, I come take this CS and immediatly E to tank his passive" because his passive HURT and have a natural property to allow him to win sade trade with this. It is call "window of power", it isn't that hard.
> [{quoted}](name=Nevrankroaton,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aMcHiBHh,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2018-07-03T17:00:30.322+0000) We're not complaining about learning to work around a champs damage windows. We're saying the time we have wait for that damage window is ridiculously long and stays that way throughout the game, and when you top it off with the fact that trying to farm can force you to wait another 24 seconds to get value from it is just stupid. Not to mention it doesn't even interact with your kit well at all since youre trying to keep champs at arms length to land qs. Even if you proc it and throw your entire kit after doing it theres still 12 seconds before the stupid thing comes back up, so quite frankly it might have one of the worst synergies with a champions kit than any other champion designed to date; which again makes you wonder how the hell did this champion make it past pbe?
Doozku (NA)
: A closer example to aatrox's passive is Kled W, but it's awkward because Kled's W is on a shorter cd and is way more important than Aatrox passive which means that you actually play around it more.
See that's the thing; Kleds W is a solid addition to his kit but the way it works doesn't make it feel like garbage when you use it on anything besides champions. I can use it to fast clear waves with tiamat, use it to kill minions to remount faster, use it on turrets for more faster damage/remount, or I can use the first two or three autos on minions then go in on a champ with the fourth hit for a quick solid trade. There are very solid advantages to proccing his w on minions, but Aatrox receives virtually nothing for proccing it on minions since it's so built around use against champions.
: This 'atrocious' 25 sec cooldown can be reduced by 20 sec using perfectly his kit (22 if you use your ultimate), which mean you could very well use twi your passive in a fight and it is huge. I don't see how it get so hard to also work on the timer of you passive, when I see I am at 3 sec, I just E toward my opponent as he CS or is near and get the passive proc. And if he want to fight, I start the dance. Idk, as I said, play urgot or poppy in lane to get how it work.
The two champions you list are examples of why aatroxs passive is so hilariously bad since it procs on minions. Poppys passive has cooldown half as short and it becomes 1/5th shorter at lv 16, it makes her attack ranged which can help farm safer, plus you get the shield instantly from killing a creep, so it's all around just as beneficial to use it on creeps as it is to use it on champs usually. As for Urgot, his leg CD is long but it gets incredibly shorter as you level up. You can also choose not to use your other legs on creeps and save them for fighting champs. Plus all the damage from your passive is aoe so you can use it to hard shove minion waves if you want. And on top of that (but this is something only Urgot mains do really,) your passive can be a huge help to farming since you can clear two or three minions with one auto, which means alot for a champion with such a slow attack speed. So both the champions you list get actual benefits from using their passives on minions in the laning phase, and when it gets to late game their cooldowns become so short it doesn't matter. Aatrox on the other hand has a flat 25 second cooldown, doesn't get shit from burning his passive on minions, and has to throw his entire kit on someone to get it back up.
: I like the new rework, but there are ways to improve him, with my one concern being that they overbuff him. I'm still pissed by the overall Nerf to Ornn since his launch. What if to compensate, it adds an extra 5 second to the cooldown. The cd can be reduced anyway, but it would still make available exclusively to champions in lane. Heck, maybe hitting large neutral minions with the Darken blade Edge could also reduce the cooldown so it wouldn't hurt him as a jungler. I just want him to get the right kind of buffs, because again, I like him enough that I don't want him to get the Ornn treatment.
The things about Ornn is his buffs were undeserved it's true, but that's partially because of how solid his kit is and how well all his abilities tie together for a combo. Aatrox's kit on the other hand is so stupidly juxtaposed I'm still scratching my head how it got out of pbe. You have a passive that encourages autos, qs that want you to stay a physical distance from the enemy (not to mention landing them is completely reliant on another ability,) anyone with boots can just walk out of the w, and dying in your ultimate still means you die anyway despite the revive unless it's a late game teamfight.
: Okay I'm complaining about these changes and my peak rank on my main was m1 100lp this account is p3 I have a gold account and a diamond account. Would you consider me qualified to complain about the current state of the game? I personally think this meta is shit, and the balancing has been going into a fast downwards spiral since october of last year.
Of course you have a right to complain since the meta actually affects you,but you of all people should definitely know then the lower you go, the less meta matters. It certainly doesn't have a real impact on all the gold and silver players in boards, maybe in the odd plat game it actually has an impact, but that's about it. Everyone else here besides you and the rest of the 5% are just parroting whatever streamers say about the game meta even when it doesn't hold true in their elo. Now that doesn't mean the three or four strongest champs in the game arent a problem in most levels of play, but I certainly dont believe the average player would feel a real impact of the tank/bruiser/assassin/whateverIjustlostmygameto meta.
: I've never hated a meta more than this one.
Why do you guys complain so hard about the state of the meta when 95% of you arent even in an elo where the meta actually matters? Sure there's maybe 4 champions that riot needs to nerf since they're overperforming across the board, but besides that the 'meta' is pretty irrelevant to anyone outside of Diamond & Masters/Challenger since those are the only elos where they can actually capitalize on early game snowballs/meta picks efficiently. The game gets a lot easier if you stop obsessing over meta picks and just stick to roles/champions you're good at.
: Good job, gameplay boards.
Those of you who are trying to argue {{champion:266}}s kit isnt fundamentally flawed; have you actually played him at all yet? It really doesn't take playing more than a few games to recognize he really is just a worse version of {{champion:92}} with some healing shoved into the kit.
: Changing Aatrox numbers won't fix how clunky he is, he needs quality of life changes
Would it really be that busted to just allow him to move like normal while he uses his Q like how {{champion:122}} works? Sure maybe they could give him a slow when he does it, but landing a skillshot that has to buffer before cast that is entirely dependent on having charges in your e is just flawed to begin with.
: I think his design is ACTUALLY balanced, something that I find hard to say for the rest of the 140+ champions.
> [{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AOrqEOhN,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-06-28T05:51:35.408+0000) > > I think his design is ACTUALLY balanced, something that I find hard to say for the rest of the 140+ champions. Why don't you actually play him before you say he's going to be in a decent spot? The champion is deeply flawed in his core mechanics. His W is as bad as {{champion:50}}s reworked W before the increased to size, only it's worse since you didnt have to worry about minions blocking it with {{champion:50}}. Unless you're playing against an ape, you're not going to land all your qs, not to mention you have to keep players at an arms length to land them which is counterintuitive since you're a melee champion with an attack mod passive. The damage from the ultimate is okay, but the revive is pretty pointless for anything but tower diving since the hp you get back is minuscule usually plus the fact that your cooldowns are so long you really dont have anything to fight back with so when you res so you just revive and anyone can sneeze on you after to kill you.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Not doing yourself any favors, as ive never player more than like 20 games of ranked, and ive played since pre season 1. So again, mages are AP based spellcasters.
If you've actually been around since **beta** I find it extremely disturbing that you still cant differentiate between classes. Now I've used sources to prove that you're wrong, but if you want to willingly choose ignorance and essentially argue that 'bananas are fruits, therefore all fruits are bananas,' who am I to stop you I guess? Understand that your deeply flawed definition of the Mage Class is shared with neither the game developers nor the community members at least.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Thats literally what a mage is in ANY game, and what the fantasy term mage means. Its a magic user, or in LoL terms any AP based champ who uses spells for damage.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R6Wl49ao,comment-id=000d0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-27T21:21:23.511+0000) > > Thats literally what a mage is in ANY game, and what the fantasy term mage means. Its a magic user, or in LoL terms any AP based champ who uses spells for damage. Alright since you're still not clicking the links I'm giving you here is the list of champions categorized as mages by the **company, Riot Games,** the **creators of League of Legends** and not **Pika Fox, the hardstuck silver player who's been in the game for maybe two seasons.** The list of all champions considered mages are {{champion:126}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:30}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:68}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:1}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:142}} {{champion:143}}. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Mage here's the source just in case you want to read it but I know you probably won't Now I'm telling you, as a seasoned player who actually plays this game regularly since its creation and has a pretty deep understanding of how game compositions work for it, you have almost never been by any means obligated to have a champion from this list somewhere on your team (even as long as this list might be) since there were other champions who could provide reliable AP damage on your team. The marksman class, however, despite containing **only 17 champions,** was always autoincluded in every team composition because of how ridiculously good/reliable their damage output has been until recently.
Pika Fox (NA)
: A mage is any champion who primarily deals damage and builds AP. An ADC is any champion who builds AD and is meant to carry the game. While ADC is most commonly used as a standin for RADCs, assassins can fit the lable of an ADC, although theyre more volitile.
Since you don't know how Google works I'm just gonna post this here for you. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Champion_classes?useskin=oasis You can see from this that slayers/assassins, marksmen and mages are 3 distinctively different classes. You're trying to argue that the definition of the mage class is anything that deals damage and uses ability power... which is a hilariously generalized statement. But sure if the silver player wants to argue that his theoretical champion class which makes up roughly 50% of the champion pool has an impact in every game, he's right. However, the community/game developer definition of a mage has in no way made the regular appearance in every game the way marksman have until recently.
: Holy shit Aatrox feels AWFUL.
I'm pretty sure memelord Hashinshin was right about this one. You can get better at landing your qs no matter how stiff they are, but even if you manage to land them all you still probably haven't killed whatever bruiser you're fighting against and you have no way of getting away from them since you burned all your e charges to land your abilities probably. In the laning phase at least he's just an easier to punish version of Riven.
Pika Fox (NA)
: .... Singed is the only non mage you put. An AP assassin is still a mage.
> An AP assassin is still a mage. So by your reasoning {{champion:141}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:56}} are all adcs because they deal physical damage? Mages are defined by Riot and the community as "ranged spellcasters," not "champions who have ap damage." Seriously, go look up which category each champion falls into before you try to argue something as stupid as 'it deals ap damage so it must be a mage.'
ADC Bard (NA)
: Fallout 76 is gonna kill league. You can use Nukes ! NUKES ! I always dreamed of nuking people in video games. {{champion:432}}
So play starcraft then? Or arent half the kill streak rewards from CoD and the like basically nukes anyway?
Pika Fox (NA)
: Mages. Without solid AP damage youd just get malph/rammus/taric on the enemy team and rofl'd to death.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R6Wl49ao,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2018-06-27T15:53:42.749+0000) > > Mages. Without solid AP damage youd just get malph/rammus/taric on the enemy team and rofl'd to death. Nope. There are plenty of non mage champions that fill the gap just fine with their damage. {{champion:84}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:27}} {{champion:76}} are all solid alternative forms of AP damage and none of them are considered mages.
: The Boards sucks at comparing champions
I wouldn't say boards are bad about comparing champions. Really it's just the angrier members of the community who want to cherry pick to make their argument seem more convincing
: Playing ADC was never fun.
Think about it this way; for the past four or five seasons, what other champ role has to be autoincluded in a team composition for it to be viable besides ranged marksman? What other champ role besides ranged marksman has to be played in the bot lane otherwise itd be considered trolling until recently? If I said one of your teammates was required to pick one of fifteen champions regardless of the elo you're in to actually be able to play the game; doesn't that scream unhealthy considering theres 100+ champions in the game? Maybe ranged marksman isnt the strongest role in the game; but the impact its had in the game for the longest time has been way too strong.
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