: On one hand, you're saying there's nothing to defend against, and then on the other, you're calling the response to it to be utterly barbaric. With such extremes to the single issue, it suggests that something in the middle exists. If you can ignore scathing, volatile comments, you can tolerate a tempered defense. I am certain that if Riot's rules were applied to real life, you have a situation similar to Dolores Jane Umbridge (Harry Potter). Such suppression dampens the human spirit. In more practical terms, as humans, we're inclined to use anger to overcome problems. Channeled with intelligence and temperament, we are positively rewarded in practical terms (using the anger to focus on the issue and utilize problem solving inclinations) in fixing them and in terms of personal satisfaction (having been able to overcome a source of frustration). Trolls, careless/idiotic performance, poor teamwork/communication, hostile taunting, being victim of "cheap shots", and much more- all contribute to anger. Expressing anger is generally useless, but defending oneself with that anger in a proper manner (it does not matter what emotions you use if you communicate properly) is a tool to establish confidence in competence in others and as a motivational build up for the defender. It also emphasies error in others- and recognizing one's errors IS an important thing. The stoic perspective (which is the dominant perspective on this board) abhors anger. It is the vice of self control, viewed as destructive. The truth, this is only the result of rage. Anger in itself is not ugly. Anger propels ambition and achievements, rewarding those who use it. What is ugly is rage- the uncontrolled expression of anger. Rage generally occurs when anger is allowed to build up without release- and without resolution. Hence why Dolores Jane Umbridge is such a bad character. She suppresses the gainful use of anger as though it were a good thing. I wish I could speak on the social opinions on it- such as from various religions- but suffice to say that some recognize anger as evil, others as good, and some indifferently. Generally, the world looks down on it, but science is showing that it can be POWERFULLY positive. Anger does not control people. These fools who make the excuse "I was just so angry" are really saying "I didn't think about the consequences of what came to mind at the time." You don't have to be negative when you're mad. Rather, defending oneself is actually a positive engagement- "I am capable. I made a mistake, nothing more." "That was an excellent attack. Don't expect that to work against me a second time." "I did not expect that. How should I/we deal with it?" Well?
{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} *Gasps at making the connection with that HORRIBLE pink wearing [Dog] that is that professor. Gah, just thinking about her makes me want to scream and punch kittens. Seriously though, I freaking hated her.
Prandine (NA)
: Honestly aside from some bickering here and there there's nothing that stands out as being punishable in my eyes, although I could see how it might be if this was a trend of yours over multiple games. That said in the future I would recommend you bicker and get into fights less often and just mute the problem players when they come up, tempting as it may be to argue with them. Honestly the support agent hit the nail on the head when it comes to advice, so while I personally disagree with this punishment I do agree with the reps advice on what to do in the future should this problem arise again. Best of luck in your future games.
Honestly, I can see how you think that. I can, especially with players these days and the people on the boards (Sometimes they make my eyes bleed with the sheer amount of blonde), but I've never had a trend of being toxic at all. I almost always logged in to find key fragments waiting for my honors. Then the one time I argue with someone who was intentionally being, let be real, toxic, I get hit with a smack that isn't anywhere close as to what I find, pleasurable. The reps advice is wonderful but honestly. Muting and ignoring players isn't gonna fix the problem. Cause that player can just report back and the system will find SOME reason to punish. Since at this rate, muting players will most likely be seen as a form as unsportsmanlike conduct. Cause you're ignoring your own team. We're starting to walk from the line of "Oh wells, It's a game and I can do better." to "My feelers were hurt, someone punish them.". Thanks for the luck, I'm just gonna take a nice long break till later in season 10. I upvoted you btw {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: welcome to league of legends where we un-perma Tyler1 while he did and does promote toxicity to an audience of at least 10k everyday and flamed a Rioter on stream, and keep banned the ones who only defended themselves... RIP. Do not ever do this again or you'll eventually lose your account, @catwalk this is NOT justified but it doesn't matter to Riot anymore. Riot doesn't have the time to sort out EVERY punishment especially with all of the false reports that people make... (imagine having to sort through a Minimum of 50k false reports every day just to see the real ones) My main (according to riot over 3500 hours played while being 'among 20% most honorable in 3 different categories) got perma banned from 2 weeks of being fed up with people flaming me or others. My reasons for being punished looked just like yours, I tried to make sense of things that the toxic player couldn't, and as a result I became part of the toxicity simply because I responded and asked the true toxic to actually tell me 'how I'm bad' or 'what makes him better' btw, expect downvotes and negativity because everyone likes to rub it in your face that you got punished, Especially if you didn't deserve it.
I expected the downvoted entirely, that’s alright with me honestly. I just felt like this would be a great discussion starter with those that can look at a post with a clear mind and not a negative influence which a decent part of the community has installed. Like all online games, there are flaws in the system, sometimes you gotta tough it out or just start anew. I tried my hardest for an entire year to get out of honor level 0 hell, and managed to get to honor level 1 checkpoint two before all this went down. In the end though, no matter how much I’ve spent, a game is just that, a game. Just sad how money and ego has turned something that was supposed to be fun and entertaining into a nest of toxicity and cult like behavior.
: [Personal Opinion] Unjustified Chat Restrictions
Guys, guys. Again, this is a discussion topic, not one to attack another board member. Please be respectful
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: When did Riot Games become Activision and Fintech Inc?
Did she film this in 2005? {{sticker:sg-ahri-1}}
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: I don't think I've ever seen the player morale this low
Probably because snowball is so stupidly ridiculous that the second someone gets 1-2 early game kills, your lane is dead. Then you're a walking ward since the second you walk out of base, you'd get murdered in less than 2 seconds flat. I would say walk out of tower, but lets be real, when have towers ever been helpful since season 5? Might aswell make them like Azir's tower and have them drain their own health as the game progresses, I mean, they hit about as hard as Azir's tower.
Rioter Comments
: [GAMEPLAY] Zed Ult Range Bug
Nah, lets leave it. Zed is a pos anyways. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
SkrastinsLv (EUNE)
: This is very true but the problem is that why wold they try and balance all the broken champs? If the game mode is for a very short time so there is no point trying to fix it if its too much work for a short period of time. Also I have to say that some champs just work better with/ against other champs that is how the game works, for example when tryndramire/ Nasus is easy to kite in a normal game urf takes out that counterplay so the can dash/ slow for a much longer time so you have to find other ways of killing them.
> [{quoted}](name=SkrastinsLv,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BkT14yO5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-30T08:59:05.642+0000) > > This is very true but the problem is that why wold they try and balance all the broken champs? If the game mode is for a very short time so there is no point trying to fix it if its too much work for a short period of time. Also I have to say that some champs just work better with/ against other champs that is how the game works, for example when tryndramire/ Nasus is easy to kite in a normal game urf takes out that counterplay so the can dash/ slow for a much longer time so you have to find other ways of killing them. And yet, they perma banned Sona and Ryze because of their mind numbingly boring press q to win. Sounds like, Yi, Jax, Zed, etc... They should just rid of URF as a concept in general if all they're gonna do is put out this crapfest of "All Random"
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: Well.. Warframe was a bust. Can't get any support frame to play.
Gonna Necro this cause I just saw it, but if you want a support. I play Equinox :*
MrHaZeYo (NA)
: Yas isn't a assassin, he's a duelist. His dashes are conditional to if there is a minion wave around. Fiora, Yi, Irelia, Jax can all get stomped and come back just like Yas. He is one of the only champs in the game that needs their to be a effect for his ult to work. Although I agree he needs something changed.
And yet, just about any "Displacement" CC can give him his ulti, not just a knock up. He's literally the entire reason certain champs like Zyra, Kindred, Old Warwick, Syndra, etc... are balanced around their one stupid strong skill. Look at Kindred, her damage is lacking (Depending on who you are and how you play with her) because her utlimate is a giant aoe stop all death and heal everyone ult. Zyra's damage, is all based around plants and her annoying rng passive so they refuse to buff her damage because shes, "High Damage" with her plants, which die in one hit to any melee. Personally, I think Yasuo should get the Blizzard level prune job. Lose half his kit. Keep his shield passive, loose his double crit. Keep his q poke and nado, but lose the AS bonus cd. Keep the Wall, but give it 3 HP. And only basics can damage it(Zyra plant style, melee should one shot it) Give his dash a charge. He can only dash 3 times in a set amount of time. And half his ultimate range, remove the bonus armor pen and attack range increase, and remove the free shield. Boom. Decently balanced Yasuo. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
Vizulix (NA)
: Veigar main here. Our cc actually does not counter assassins that well since most assassins have a way through it. Our weak early game doesn't help either. Fizz jumps through it and proceeds to murder you. Talon turns invis and you now have to guess where he is and throw down the cage in the 0.5 second window before he leaps onto you and sends you back to fountain. Zed has his shadow. So he can just shadow out and then ult you into oblivion. Katarina can shunpo outta there. Then proceed to ult you in the face. Le Blanc says fuck you and just w's outta your cage. Akali just shrouds then proceeds to hop onto you and commit murder. And Ekko? He doesn't give a shit about your CC. He's diving you anyway.
> [{quoted}](name=Vizulix,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VMxqvTPb,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-05-30T17:29:59.561+0000) > > Veigar main here. > > Our cc actually does not counter assassins that well since most assassins have a way through it. > > Our weak early game doesn't help either. > > Fizz jumps through it and proceeds to murder you. > > Talon turns invis and you now have to guess where he is and throw down the cage in the 0.5 second window before he leaps onto you and sends you back to fountain. > > Zed has his shadow. So he can just shadow out and then ult you into oblivion. > > Katarina can shunpo outta there. Then proceed to ult you in the face. > > Le Blanc says fuck you and just w's outta your cage. > > Akali just shrouds then proceeds to hop onto you and commit murder. > > And Ekko? He doesn't give a shit about your CC. He's diving you anyway. LeBlanc can't w out of Veigar's cc, as her w is a dash and they made it where dashes can't go through the wall. The only part that's a blink is her return on w.
: No, it's the game. Think about it. How many games do you have to play now to actually get a decent game? I'm not talking about winning, I'm not talking about stomping the shit out of the enemy team. I'm talking about full on back-and-forth gameplay, every single person on each team is at a level playing field and doing their jobs right. Every single person in the game actually doing their best to win the game. I will tell you right now, IT's FUCKING RARE. Instead you have to play countless games with trolls, or with people who have a bad internet connection and refuse to accept that Ranked might just not be a good idea. Before anyone attacks me for that, if your internet is messing up when it's usually good then fine, perhaps you did not see this coming, but if your internet is really really bad.... MAYBE YOU SHOULD NOT PLAY TEAM BASED ONLINE GAMES. You also have to play countless games with players who generally can not do the bare basics, this one is so frequent it's unreal: "Adc, it would be nice if you could help me take this tower we can freely get instead of you solo killing the scuttle crab... don't wonder into enemy jungle by yourself... and you're dead... we could have got an objective... but no... you gave them gold for no reason..." ADC: "KYS" Or how many games do you have to endure where no matter what lane you pick the other lane on the other side of the map feeds 10 kills in 10 min. I used to have 2 friends I would be premade with, 9/10 times the random people we were matched with would feed so damn hard it became a fucking joke. It really was like the matchmaking was saying: "you are good players, here, here is some dead-weight for you to carry, if you can't you best prepare your anus for the amount of -LP you are going to receive. In the end you will be wondering why you even bothered because after a week of playing your right back to where you were. ENJOY THE 50% WIN RATE FUCKERS, IF YOU IMPROVE YOU WILL CLIMB FUCKERS, EVERY GAME IS YOUR OWN FAULT DESPITE THE SHIT I'VE JUST DUMPED ON YOU FUCKERS" And when you win games... holy crap... Last season... ok, it used to feel like you had to drag your team kicking and screaming to the finish line while simultaneously dragging your balls over broken glass. This season? What is the actual point playing the game? It feels like a coinflip, which team gets to stomp the other team. You might as well delete the map, let players select their champ in champ select then select what ever skins they want and instead of gameplay just have that virtual coin they had in overwatch. There, done. Rinse Repeat. Sell the skins. ... And when you come and complain to the forums all you get is stuff like "stop whining" or "you are just burnt out" or "it's all your fault, kys please or uninstall" or "your talking bollocks despite yourself being a player since season 1" Or you complain at Riot and all they ever say is "We are not responsible for how players act in game, better luck next time FUCKERS" Then you ask "why is it my win rate is pretty much a perfect 50% win ratio? Has it got something to do with being matched 50% of the time with trolls, feeders, afk's, 8 year olds?"... then they stop replying... ... And then you finally snap in game... yano, I'm a stoner IRL, it takes A LOT to actually make me rage and be toxic. But after all that you finally snap and you tell someone some bad words when they arguably justifiably deserved it... And then Riot slaps you with a banhammer... You are toxic... And you remember this game no longer does ANYTHING at all to actually curve the toxicity of the game. Tribunal is gone. You know that thing never worked but it at least instilled some fear of ever appearing in it to a few people kinda like a shit Batman. Now there is nothing. So it just nurtures and breeds toxicity and the smart toxic players just get away with it time and time and time again, they could literally pick tahm kench every game and spit their team into the enemies and just say "Sorry bad game" Nothing is implemented to try to improve gameplay. ... And at this point I stopped playing. and I've made this post too long... so thx for reading if you have.
> [{quoted}](name=Wild Herbivore,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=e1N4jBG7,comment-id=000900010000000000010000,timestamp=2018-04-02T08:53:20.430+0000) > > You also have to play countless games with players who generally can not do the bare basics, this one is so frequent it's unreal: > "Adc, it would be nice if you could help me take this tower we can freely get instead of you solo killing the scuttle crab... don't wonder into enemy jungle by yourself... and you're dead... we could have got an objective... but no... you gave them gold for no reason..." ADC: "KYS" > This right here. The adc would literally get ignored by Riot's Behavior system, but you'd get chat bans and labeled as the, "Few" who are toxic just for speaking the honest truth. They did something stupid and fed. Then there's the new Honor system, cause whats better than grinding endlessly for bp now? Grinding endlessly for Honor Points just to hit Level 2 Again! Oh, I mean. Level 1 check point 1. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: Ryze is still disabled for URF. Same with raka and hecarim. Yet they still let untargetable champions plague the game. 10 games today and Yi has existed in every one of them
> [{quoted}](name=Akashic Torment,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LWmoVA7l,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-28T04:48:08.822+0000) > > Ryze is still disabled for URF. Same with raka and hecarim. Yet they still let untargetable champions plague the game. 10 games today and Yi has existed in every one of them I'll take Yi over, *Press R for Kill Zed* Whom of which has been in almost every one of my games...
: I'm not sure why everyone is reacting this hard. Riot literally said they expected her to be unplayably bad and plan to buff her accordingly afterwards.
> [{quoted}](name=IAintDarius,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9pQ4Ecu1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-03-04T04:33:07.406+0000) > > I'm not sure why everyone is reacting this hard. Riot literally said they expected her to be unplayably bad and plan to buff her accordingly afterwards. So, basically Kindred after they skipped throwing her in the dumpster and just slowly and gently dropped her off the face of the earth, for her to burn up in the ozone layer and die? To which, they followed with removing her health damage, making her crit based, and then still ignoring the fact her ulti is shit, her passive is basically the Eye of Sauron for everyone on the map, and is feast or walking ward without her first mark. Oh well, not like talking about it will matter. Lets just ignore her like everyone ignored the absurd damage Season 8 is just because it was "Pre-season". {{sticker:katarina-love}}
AmazoX (EUW)
: It's a love/hate relationship, you love them when they prove it but you want them to be stuck in a graveyard alone when they do one ######tiny little squeaky mistake
> [{quoted}](name=AmazoX,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=12wJUyN3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-14T00:47:21.428+0000) > > It's a love/hate relationship, you love them when they prove it but you want them to be stuck in a graveyard alone when they do one > ######tiny little squeaky mistake I don't remember Season 8 being a "Tiny Mistake"...
AlaDeLaColt (EUNE)
: Selling Mastery Tokens
It'd be better to sell it for OE, and not BE.
: Imagine being allowed to be busted for 2 years straight
GigglesO (NA)
: Except that adc's stand still. Its not kiting if they are a mobile nexus turret.
Excuse me, but calling them a Nexus Turret is an insult, they're more like a B-52 Bomber. Nexus Turrets are literally free wards that, *Pew Pew Pew*.
: ROADMAP
But for reals though, we're having an ADC go into the enemy territory to get stronger... Why does that sound so familiar... Oh wait. Kindred. I can see this new ADC be mega strong on release, then get nerfed back into the Void, because. "Her/His dueling was too good at low level." Edit: Double posted this, deleted the second.
: they do, just lots of the time when someone's trash tier they aren't played, such as Mordekaiser, or post 6.13 kindred.
> [{quoted}](name=AgeOfTheMage,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pmW3sArY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-29T15:14:20.084+0000) > > they do, just lots of the time when someone's trash tier they aren't played, such as Mordekaiser, or post 6.13 kindred. Speaking of which, just had a match where someone finally had the brains to focus my marked camps. I turned into a walking free ward.
Sparkle (NA)
: There is a Baby Sparkle though! She's da bomb. :)
I shall make an Alt account, and name it... Shine... Then, Riot can have what will be called. "The Riot Force" and everyone will have a Star Guardian Skin :O OMG GLITTER FORCE FLASH BACKS! We'll have our own dance introductions and songs and powers! :O
Sparkle (NA)
: I work on the Game Systems team. We work on pregame or in game projects that touch the foundations of the game - things like runes, vision, dragons, items, etc. EDIT: in the past, I worked on the League Friends app, so if you ever wanna talk about that for some reason hmu haha
(Off Topic) Where's Riot Shine and Riot Glitter? Why are there no Riot Shine or Riot Glitter? D: {{sticker:sg-janna}}
: well, elise is garbage and you're not much better yourself
> [{quoted}](name=SKRRRRRRAT,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ly4yu01j,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-20T06:30:41.195+0000) > > well, elise is garbage and you're not much better yourself That was rude.
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: Items
Ha. Fact tho.
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: Because of course they had to change his art to be the stereotypical depiction of a homosexual male (full emphasis on bare midsection, ignoring the rest of the individual). Stay classy, Riot.
> [{quoted}](name=kattzkitti,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=vQUUcVZw,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2017-12-13T21:51:49.777+0000) > > Because of course they had to change his art to be the stereotypical depiction of a homosexual male (full emphasis on bare midsection, ignoring the rest of the individual). Stay classy, Riot. Are you dense??? Varus isn't Gay, the two flesh bags he used to come back to life were.
: > [{quoted}](name=Catwalk Lady,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xyw8oJqP,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2017-12-12T19:46:46.754+0000) > > But that sweet sweet perma movement speed tho, also, Duskblade is for noobs who want to abuse the "assassin" items. Lethality was never made for adcs. Hence why statistics say Jhin's highest win rate build has two lethality items in it? By far it's easier to abuse on adc's than on its intended class, simply because high range means you can take advantage of the stats more.
> [{quoted}](name=DracoMTA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xyw8oJqP,comment-id=0009000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-13T18:31:46.089+0000) > > Hence why statistics say Jhin's highest win rate build has two lethality items in it? > > By far it's easier to abuse on adc's than on its intended class, simply because high range means you can take advantage of the stats more. Statistics can't do everything, just numbers on a machine. Also, you just answered my very clear logic, ADC's as a whole abuse the crap out of items that were not created nor meant for them. So why would I want to abuse the items even more when I can play him how he was INTENDED to be played, crit and attack speed. You're coming at me for no other reason, than just because I posted an decent Jhin build with crit+attack speed. Soo, please continue on your merry little way while I enjoy playing a champ as they were made to be played. Toodles! {{sticker:katarina-love}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Catwalk Lady,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xyw8oJqP,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2017-12-12T05:39:19.037+0000) > > 100% Crit Chance Jhin. {{item:3031}} {{item:3046}} {{item:3094}} {{item:3006}} {{item:3036}} {{item:3508}} This build alone, with lethal tempo, Alacrity, and Coup De Grace will give you a base of 725 AD without lethal tempo being added. I can guarantee you, you nearly 2 shot anyone with under 3k health with just his basics. Or I can get IE+duskblade and one shot people 15 minutes into the game, and then not need those other items?
> [{quoted}](name=DracoMTA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xyw8oJqP,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2017-12-12T13:11:01.747+0000) > > Or I can get IE+duskblade and one shot people 15 minutes into the game, and then not need those other items? But that sweet sweet perma movement speed tho, also, Duskblade is for noobs who want to abuse the "assassin" items. Lethality was never made for adcs.
: @Riot: Want to encourage Jhin to build crit? Buff his attackspeed to AD conversions.
100% Crit Chance Jhin. {{item:3031}} {{item:3046}} {{item:3094}} {{item:3006}} {{item:3036}} {{item:3508}} This build alone, with lethal tempo, Alacrity, and Coup De Grace will give you a base of 725 AD without lethal tempo being added. I can guarantee you, you nearly 2 shot anyone with under 3k health with just his basics.
: Basically this. Val (mostly Val) and Kai are feeding Varus' power by their hate and all that, therefore making Varus stronger. I also get the feeling Varus is the stronger of the Darkin
> [{quoted}](name=Bubbaman73,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=7UnEpgte,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-12-02T00:09:18.746+0000) > > Basically this. Val (mostly Val) and Kai are feeding Varus' power by their hate and all that, therefore making Varus stronger. I also get the feeling Varus is the stronger of the Darkin It's cause he's an ADC. ;D
: I wanna piggyback off this thread because today has been something of a whirlwind with all the lore discussion, comments and more. Bear with me for a little bit. It is _perfectly fine_ to dislike the new Varus lore as OP says. There's nothing wrong with hating something Riot has put out. I also want to say that it's ok to find enjoyment in the new lore for whatever reason. It came out today though so please don't try to forsake your boards/league account and die on a hill for some thing has existed for around 12 hours. But I want to address both sides of the criticism: What OP refers to is smashing someone down on a personal level. It's a crappy thing to do and it's really not cool. Just because someone doesn't like lore that you do doesn't mean it's right for you to take this time to insult them on ANY level, be it outright flaming or by being excessively passive-aggressive to their stance. That said, I also want to take this time to talk about the other-side of the equation and a hot-topic that myself (and other mods) have been dealing with all day. Varus being gay does not mean we need to hear thoughts on the idea of LGBT in the real world or your personal opinions on what you think of people in the LGBT category. Bear in mind, I'm not saying you need to like it. Everyone has their own hang-ups and feelings, which we all understand. What I do need to say is that someone liking the new lore doesn't make them an SJW crusader or a bastion of whatever political ideology you think they stand for. The flipside is true too: Someone disliking the new lore does not make them some /b/ reject who wants to see everyone who isn't them exploded in a fiery cataclysm. The moment we jump to extremes is the moment this loses the point of being about the new lore and becomes a thinly veiled political bashing thread. I and the other moderators know how strongly people can feel about this and how difficult it can be to divorce politics, personal feelings and hang-ups about these topics. Yet despite this, we have to remember that Varus is a fictional video game character owned by Riot Game(s). They're technically free to do what they wish with said character. Does that mean we always have to blindly sing their praises? Of course not. But that doesn't mean Riot putting in this type of character is a free pass to put your personal thoughts on such topics in a thread. You can be upset at the new lore and it doesn't make you hate LGBTQ people. You can be happy with the new lore and it doesn't make you an SJW. Just please remember to be respectful guys. We know you guys are all capable of some amazing and insightful dicussion. -Cap
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=UEuiYj63,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2017-12-01T05:52:47.397+0000) > > I wanna piggyback off this thread because today has been something of a whirlwind with all the lore discussion, comments and more. Bear with me for a little bit. > > It is _perfectly fine_ to dislike the new Varus lore as OP says. There's nothing wrong with hating something Riot has put out. I also want to say that it's ok to find enjoyment in the new lore for whatever reason. It came out today though so please don't try to forsake your boards/league account and die on a hill for some thing has existed for around 12 hours. > > But I want to address both sides of the criticism: What OP refers to is smashing someone down on a personal level. It's a crappy thing to do and it's really not cool. Just because someone doesn't like lore that you do doesn't mean it's right for you to take this time to insult them on ANY level, be it outright flaming or by being excessively passive-aggressive to their stance. That said, I also want to take this time to talk about the other-side of the equation and a hot-topic that myself (and other mods) have been dealing with all day. > > Varus being gay does not mean we need to hear thoughts on the idea of LGBT in the real world or your personal opinions on what you think of people in the LGBT category. Bear in mind, I'm not saying you need to like it. Everyone has their own hang-ups and feelings, which we all understand. What I do need to say is that someone liking the new lore doesn't make them an SJW crusader or a bastion of whatever political ideology you think they stand for. The flipside is true too: Someone disliking the new lore does not make them some /b/ reject who wants to see everyone who isn't them exploded in a fiery cataclysm. The moment we jump to extremes is the moment this loses the point of being about the new lore and becomes a thinly veiled political bashing thread. > > I and the other moderators know how strongly people can feel about this and how difficult it can be to divorce politics, personal feelings and hang-ups about these topics. Yet despite this, we have to remember that Varus is a fictional video game character owned by Riot Game(s). They're technically free to do what they wish with said character. Does that mean we always have to blindly sing their praises? Of course not. But that doesn't mean Riot putting in this type of character is a free pass to put your personal thoughts on such topics in a thread. > > You can be upset at the new lore and it doesn't make you hate LGBTQ people. > > You can be happy with the new lore and it doesn't make you an SJW. > > Just please remember to be respectful guys. We know you guys are all capable of some amazing and insightful dicussion. > > -Cap But, Varus, the Darkin, isn't Gay. Just the two hosts that combined into one to give him flesh, technically they're gone. I don't get why people are flipping out over the story, it was an amazing story and shows just how much someone can go through because they love someone. The old lore was kinda plain, I mean. He had nothing to lose, so why even go into the pit? For revenge, but that makes no sense, where did he get the knowledge about the pit. The new lore explains everything so well, that the pit was actually a seal created to keep the darkin away but destiny or the universe had other plans. I mean seriously... His hosts were Gay, big deal people. Where was all this fight when Aurelion Sol was released? Hello! He was a benevolent space dragon THAT WAS FORCIBLY ENSLAVED, I don't see people crying over him being a slave now do I? No. All in all, people just need to enjoy the game Riot has given them and thank that they're just not straight up ignoring lore all together and saying, "He was some random person who happened to find a possessed bow that had some edgey demon on a revenge kick in it and managed to devour his soul/body." In other words, the lore can't hurt you, and Varus isn't the one that's Gay. {{sticker:katarina-love}}
: Ok listen. Eve has stealth LB has range Zed still has to wait with his ult delay time Talon has to run at you, and of the assassins listed, his burst time is almost nonexistant, but I literally don't see how you can make Talon a decent champ without giving him that kind of burst (found in both pre and post rework). Akali has quick burst time, but is more prone to cc.
> [{quoted}](name=VulDread,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0XXzK7yj,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2017-11-24T04:34:56.758+0000) > > Ok listen. > > Eve has stealth > LB has range > Zed still has to wait with his ult delay time > Talon has to run at you, and of the assassins listed, his burst time is almost nonexistant, but I literally don't see how you can make Talon a decent champ without giving him that kind of burst (found in both pre and post rework). > Akali has quick burst time, but is more prone to cc. Excuse me, but Zed has to wait on his ult delay, because it deals damage based on the damage he has done since the mark was applied. People are upset because he can literally R from half a lane away, bust his nut all over you in less than half a second, then click r again to tp out for free while he scores a kill for doing nothing but pressing r and throwing a couple skills. On top of that, the only way to negate his R, is buying Zhonyas or have a skill that makes you go invincible/untargetable. Eve has stealth, but guess what? She's stuck being like pre-rework Warwick and is basically dead till level 6 to get that and become a good assassin ON TOP OF THAT, anyone who ganks her early pretty much gets a free kill. Lb has range, yes, but the delay on her dash, makes her feel so clunky to use and the fact that 90% of her "burst" is literally just her passive. Talon doesn't need to run at you, he'll just jump a 20 foot wall, ult, 100-0 you, then stroll out on top of another wall. All in all, the assassin rework failed. Miserably, it's why Riot said they're stopping doing giant class updates because they're not working. Half the assassins ended up more busted and with less counter-play while the other half ended up beaten, bruised, and bleeding out of every hole in their body. Doesn't help, the new runes are super biased towards the Assassins/Marksmen so they just face-roll the second they get 1 kill. Forget towers, they're still paper even after the "buff" they got which honestly didn't give crap to towers. Players on the boards are tired of being ignored when they explain why something needs fixed and how to fix it so they're just being blunt about it and trying to tell riot whats wrong, but then people go, "Maybe you should explain why before telling them how bad they are". They have told them, A LOT. That's what the PBE is made for, but lately, aside from the few times, the PBE is mostly for showing players whats new, not for us to "test and see if it works or is broken". Anyways, I went off on a tangent, sorry about that. Pre-rework talon had his jump btw, so he didn't really need to run at you.{{sticker:katarina-love}}
: Hey look, we got a neat little tower buff
Hey looks guys! We can finally hide under our towers! *5 minutes into a game* "I'll just sit here and far---Where'd my tower go?" *4 people spam laugh then proceed to watch as minions run at mach 3 to kill you with their ungodly damage* {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} Thanks Riot! For giving towers the buff they need! For reals though, all towers did was get health... so in other words we asked for towers to be stronger, so basically work out and get jacked. What we got was, the towers splurged on McDonalds and gained some weight.
: I'm so proud of this, it brings a tear to my eye... :')
This was a 70+ minute game... I should have a lot of heals...
: I'm so proud of this, it brings a tear to my eye... :')
It was basically a stand still :c We'd kill them, then they'd kill a couple of us when I wasn't able to heal through the 4 ults.
Rioter Comments
: Youre silver 4; you never knew how to play. Maybe these easy to use runes will encourage you to worry less about pregaming and more about all inning your opponent at level 2 and taking towers with your leads in lane.
> [{quoted}](name=Why Go Jax ADC,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OhqToxqF,comment-id=00080001,timestamp=2017-11-10T06:08:26.928+0000) > > Youre silver 4; you never knew how to play. Maybe these easy to use runes will encourage you to worry less about pregaming and more about all inning your opponent at level 2 and taking towers with your leads in lane. Bringing someone's rank into a discussion as way of an insult is kinda pathetic. A majority (90%) of the player base is Bronze and Silver, so insulting us people who don't make it into a higher bracket, is just rude and shows you're very poor at having any sense of respect. Please refrain from it. :) Kthxbai! {{sticker:katarina-love}}
: Seeing as no one is talking about this...
Werent the last ones full champs though? Or is it basically a perma champ so it's like when you reroll 3 champ shards and you get a perma champ shard?
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: Don't forget about the ardent censer as well. Rito does not know what they are doing. Hopefully they don't fuck up the leblanc Rework and actually add some counter play into her kit such as: after leblanc uses w, it takes 1.5 seconds to go back to where she cast it.
> [{quoted}](name=Bronze 6 Yasuo,realm=OCE,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=LELF7GPH,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-10-29T20:04:02.592+0000) > > Don't forget about the ardent censer as well. Rito does not know what they are doing. Hopefully they don't fuck up the leblanc Rework and actually add some counter play into her kit such as: after leblanc uses w, it takes 1.5 seconds to go back to where she cast it. You bitch about LeBlanc's "Counter play", yet. You have Zed teleporting to shadows any chance he gets.
: Incorrect IP amount displaying on new client
: Maokai patch 7.9 reworked sapling toss.
DONT YOU DARE! LEAVE MY KITTY NUKE BUSH ALONE!
: Lore: So... he's basically like one of the Neverborn from Exalted? In that he's an ancient immortal force incapable of dying, but was murdered anyway and the aftermath changed the face of the universe forever? I feel like I should like this, but it still seems like it's missing something. Passive: So like Veigar, except with less effort required? And he gets indefinitely-stacking AP AND HP? Sounds like a bit much to me. Q: Percent max health damage on a _basic_ ability, no strings attached? You playing with fire here kiddo. W: Ah, so an on-hit passive ability. To be honest I think I like this better than his regular passive. Were it not affixed to a champ with a percent max health damage kit E: Why do all his abilities scale with a percent of his opponents' health? Last I checked only champion Ultimate abilities do that, and for very good reason. Building health would be useless against him, but not doing so would just let everyone else murder you more easily. There's no real counterplay to this! R: So, an AOE Fiddlesticks W. That steals _percent max enemy health_. For a minimum of about half of their health at max level. I get where you want to go with the whole lifesteal-based champ, but this is basically the _wrong_ way to do it. Vladmir got away with it because all his powers cost a percentage of _his_ max health, and Morgana just passively had spell vamp of a percentage of the damage she dealt. Basing all of a champ's damage on percent max enemy health (plus percent AD bonus flat damage to avoid Zeno's Paradox) is just going to make everyone hate this champ and anyone who dares forfeit their humanity by picking him. Vayne is aggravating enough with her bonus percent max health true damage; the last thing we need is another champ with that kind of cheese.
> [{quoted}](name=CobaltTheMadMage,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=orUVcwgz,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-18T00:59:29.553+0000) > > Lore: So... he's basically like one of the Neverborn from Exalted? In that he's an ancient immortal force incapable of dying, but was murdered anyway and the aftermath changed the face of the universe forever? I feel like I should like this, but it still seems like it's missing something. > > Passive: So like Veigar, except with less effort required? And he gets indefinitely-stacking AP AND HP? Sounds like a bit much to me. > > Q: Percent max health damage on a _basic_ ability, no strings attached? You playing with fire here kiddo. > > W: Ah, so an on-hit passive ability. To be honest I think I like this better than his regular passive. Were it not affixed to a champ with a percent max health damage kit > > E: Why do all his abilities scale with a percent of his opponents' health? Last I checked only champion Ultimate abilities do that, and for very good reason. Building health would be useless against him, but not doing so would just let everyone else murder you more easily. There's no real counterplay to this! > > R: So, an AOE Fiddlesticks W. That steals _percent max enemy health_. For a minimum of about half of their health at max level. > > > I get where you want to go with the whole lifesteal-based champ, but this is basically the _wrong_ way to do it. Vladmir got away with it because all his powers cost a percentage of _his_ max health, and Morgana just passively had spell vamp of a percentage of the damage she dealt. Basing all of a champ's damage on percent max enemy health (plus percent AD bonus flat damage to avoid Zeno's Paradox) is just going to make everyone hate this champ and anyone who dares forfeit their humanity by picking him. Vayne is aggravating enough with her bonus percent max health true damage; the last thing we need is another champ with that kind of cheese. The only good part I see, is the passive. Even though it gives him ap and hp, it's such a low number, it literally don't matter. I mean, the most I've seen in a game, was about 150 kills, and that was an hour and 5 minute game. Games rarely last that long and rarely is someone there to assist or be near the kill. In the end though, that entire kit concept is SOOOO broken that I'd rather face a full 5 man team of nothing but Zeds. I mean, for reals. 21% max hp PLUS 60% of your ap, what on Aurlieon Sol's star. You'd basically annihilate someone in less than 2 hits. Not only that, but at 45% cd, that skill will be up almost every 6-7 seconds.
: ...am I the only one who's tired of Support mains complaining? I know this particular post is just meant to be a joke, but lately supports are even more cancerous than release-{{champion:164}} mains. Just look at this: -The adc is feeding because I steal the kills? **Y Tf do I need to carry dis team? such noobs** -There's only mages in the botlane?** you must then respect me because I'm better than anyone cuz I play classic supports** -We lost first tower in botlane? **Lel ADC such noob** -We get a 4-man gank while we are pushing without taking tower like retards?** Fucking Jungler, what are you doing?** -Support is considered the easiest role? **Wtf, this whole role is about babysitting a dude with a gun who seems to be Ksing me, why tf is it considered easy?** -You only use redemption to try getting left-away kills after the teamfight you ignored? **why do I have to do everything?** EVERY support mains nowadays talks like this, before it was kinda true that ADCs was considered as dumb, but hell, now everyone love supports mains because they main a role who consist at seating around waiting for Something to happen, even tho they are just complaining about their teammates
We complain because y'all take advantage of us face-tanking a skill just so you can either A, get away, or B get a kill. We, depending on what support is played, barely get ANY cs. Yet, when we take 1 cs, we get told, "Stop taking my cs". Like sheesh, we're not your slaves. If you don't need us, then we'll go support top or mid.
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