: Dunno, Honestly I just got a 14 day ban. honestly you can't talk in general in this game hell even saying " muting team and pings GL HF GG" is considered toxic and yes as seen gets you a 14 day ban.. which I just got thank you . Riot really needs a better definition of what is toxic and reportable and what is just frustration cause right now Basically using "CHAT" is considered toxic and reportable.
> [{quoted}](name=Ambient Snow,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PPjRnnyd,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-22T02:18:13.396+0000) > > honestly you can't talk in general in this game hell even saying " muting team and pings GL HF GG" is considered toxic and yes as seen gets you a 14 day ban.. which I just got thank you . calling BS on this
Spotty (NA)
: ok nevermind confirmed riot doesnt care if people actually kill themselves https://gyazo.com/91fba75986831dad299417b5a55bb931
so its RIOTs job to monitor the mental state of it's entire playerbase at all times? are you nuts?
Julevi (EUW)
: Please tell me that this is really bad "satire".
Eedat (NA)
: > and chess has infinitely more patterns than does League chat uh ***HELL NO***. Not even remotely close. Not even relatively close to the same magnitude. Human speech and expression is several orders of magnitude greater than a simple chess game. Chess has a relatively few number of rules. White goes first. One move per turn. These pieces can move these directions. When the king is put into check and cannot escape or be protected, the match is over. Thats pretty much it with some minor exceptions like castling. The rules of chess are extremely black and white. There are relatively little of them and absolutely zero exceptions. There is a huge reason why we made a computer that can play chess in 1996 yet to this day we cannot make an AI capable of holding a real conversation. Human communication is on an entirely different scale of complexity. There are only vague outlines and huge exceptions to everything. The exact same statement can mean exact opposites. Let me give you an example. You are playing top and are getting ganked but manage to kill both of them 1v2. Your midlaner says "wow you're so good. How are you still silver?". Now let give some different circumstances. You make the worst play of you life. You fuck up an easy play in spectacular fashion. Now they say the same exact thing, "wow you're so good. How are you still silver?" Now me and you as humans know the difference because we can infer meaning from context, something that AI is not yet capable of doing. The first situation you were getting praised. The second example they were saying you should be bronze/iron because you suck. ***The IFS as it currently is would NEVER pick up the difference.*** The only thing the IFS is really good at is picking up the absolute most basic stuff. You call people bad, using a zero tolerance phrase, ask for reports, etc. What it's completely useless at is the gray area. It knows to ban someone for saying "kill yourself" but all I would have to do to get around this is reword it. "Hey garen, this world would be a better place if you were gone. Nobody would miss you". Both are telling you to kill yourself, only one will get picked up by the IFS. It can detect someone running it down mid, but is dogshit useless at catching people who blatantly are letting themselves get caught, refusing to help out of spite, trolling the jungler, etc. I don't understand your blind faith in the IFS. It obviously has massive faults and isn't anywhere close to as accurate as an actual human. Why do you think people submit things to be manually reviewed in the first place? I'm not even arguing against the IFS. It's absolutely necessary with so many players submitting so many reports. Everyone knows an actual human is FAAAAAAARRRRRR better than the IFS, it's just not practical at all to hire enough humans to handle that kind of work load.
: Yes, I do know when my reports have an effect. riot lets you know when your reports have influence buddy. Anyways. Yeah, man, I started playing in a time where the reporting system is extremely taken advantage of. It's my bad I started playing during such a state of toxicity. I don't deny that. Many pro streamers have openly talked about how the reporting system is complete trash. So I had an idea of how bad the community might be right now; I just didn't think it was as bad as they explained. Yes, I did read past your initial statement and my first sentence of this comment, that I've mentioned in this post already, refers to why it doesn't deserve an answer.
> [{quoted}](name=A sexy Zombie,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3HEm52LR,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-21T18:45:54.460+0000) > > riot lets you know when your reports have influence buddy. proof plz
: You sound like a dystopian monarch every person should be allowed to play the game and honestly i take solace that mentally crippled babies like you will end up walked over and cucked by whatever woman you find attractive thank you for brightening my day and reminding me how little this matters in the grand scheme of life
wow... in the immortal words of Lincoln Osirus, "you went full r*****...you NEVER go full r*****"
: I saw a youtube vid that basically says that if you talk and ppl report you, you can get chat restricted over a 'negativity' clause, people can INT but if they don't talk, and you try to make them correct their path via text and both report each other, you're the one getting affected. So basically we need to avoid communication via text because the system isn't adequate enough.
> [{quoted}](name=Anivia Evian,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=E6bev8ZP,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-21T21:56:09.416+0000) > > I saw a youtube vid that basically says that if you talk and ppl report you, you can get chat restricted over a 'negativity' clause so, so wrong
: I have not been 'toxic' in previous games and my report card only shows 1 game log that contributed to this penalty. if you need prove: http://i68.tinypic.com/s5fltx.png
: Literally inside the account? http://starringthecomputer.com/snapshots/zoolander_imac_1.jpg
lcë (NA)
: I hate the fact that people can trash on me but I get banned when I talk back
: You are allowed to grief in games ZERO times. Doesn't matter what game mode, doesn't matter if it was only executions. You fucked a game for 9 other people and... **THIS THREAD NEEDS TO BE STICKIED FOR ALL THE "RITO DOESN'T BAN INTERS" PEOPLE**
: literally nothing, and yet that's still more than rito does about the situation. they go out of their way to punish negative words and "hate speech" and bend over backwards to avoid doing anything about actual trolls/inters. soft inting players ruin 100x more games than "hate speech" does.
> [{quoted}](name=DJColdCutz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=8XtKYkkg,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2019-04-19T02:48:19.612+0000) > > bend over backwards to avoid doing anything about actual trolls/inters. yeah thats just blatantly not true, see ya later not worth having this discussion with you {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: Rito wants you to shut up, and happily watch how your games are ruined, exactly. They will ask you to write a report too, so they can print it out and use it as toilet paper. For AFK you will only get low-prio if you do not do it EXTREMELY often.
what does raging back at them do to help the situation exactly?
Sęraph (NA)
: Riot is making up shit to ban me
> [{quoted}](name=Sęraph,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0EXLwsMP,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-18T12:32:09.216+0000) > > I know people with open lawsuits against them for way worse than this. name one
aTypical (EUNE)
: RIOT start banning trolls please
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/hEFmoAE1-beat-this-highscore-171-banned-for-inting literally 4 topics below yours
: while i dont have a direct source for this, couple of youtubers/streamers already showed how on the korean servers the actual lck players are racist towards others "hey cowbell go back to your server you arent welcome here" and they go unpunished.
I know Korea is an outlier due to the fact they have to tie what is essentially their SSN to their accounts as far as I know they are the only region that does this
Gliave (OCE)
: maybe, don't know why he got down votes though, his statement is fairly accurate
> [{quoted}](name=Gliave,realm=OCE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AH3AbbEa,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-15T02:50:57.931+0000) > > his statement is fairly accurate care to explain/cite your sources for this info? not trying to be rude, I'm actually curious
: Your region is OCE, afaik that region has a high tolerance for toxicity, and thus punishments are rare
or it has nothing to do with his server he's talking about PM's
: >ANYONE for the most part that posts on THIS BOARD, CAME HERE BECAUSE THEY CARED enough....to at least question their punishment, which to me screams willingness to change. No, it doesn't. It's a pretty common occurrence that the thread starter outright insults anyone with an opinion other than their own. Such people don't make the threads to change, they made the thread to try and get people to agree with them.
this is more the norm than the exception unfortunately
: To All the negative votes in this board.
> [{quoted}](name=Shinikaru,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KolAvhxd,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-15T01:47:05.233+0000) > > ANYONE for the most part that posts on THIS BOARD, CAME HERE BECAUSE THEY CARED enough....to at least question their punishment, which to me screams willingness to change. so what about the standard "F$%^ YOU RIOT I'M GONNA KEEP MAKING ACCOUNTS JUST TO TROLL" thread that we see here almost daily?
: > [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=41I8peJu,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-04-14T17:59:42.145+0000) > > Few things to point out. > > 1. League isn't a RPG, it is a MMO. > > 2. The example given in the picture for the article is indeed a chat one. Are you saying verbal offenses need a harsher punishment? Actually, the point is it's still #1 on the list regardless of this WONDERFUL report system you guys keep praising. Face it chat bans are useless. We all have mute buttons. Chat banning doesnt take the game off being the #1 toxic MMO according to Ranker.
im curious where you're seeing people "praising the system" from what I read it's mostly people just explaining how the system works
: > [{quoted}](name=TheXXXorcist,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=41I8peJu,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-14T20:44:51.868+0000) > > I care not for Semantics my friend. If that's all your input, and all that you read in the post there's the door over here >>>>
did you just double post to quote yourself? {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
: FIX RANKED
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/rant
FFrazien (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=FFrazien,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jMprxAEz,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-04-13T23:39:56.283+0000) > > 3 on this account, 1st one was on like december 27th and I remember I got one back in may 2018, but I play this game a lot and I always level up my honor and so you reset the punishment levels Like i said, the system is terrible, it is not meant for reforming people and as you see it is not meant for keeping toxic people out of the game, so for what the hell is it made for? You wanna know for what? MONEY. If you invested a lot in your account and let's say it gets permabanned and if you're an addict you will probably make a new account and spent more money on it.
the system cant reform people who have no interest in reforming there will always be jerks on the internet, sry to say
: I got Perma-Banned today
> [{quoted}](name=MasterDimblade,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Ed6s5Q4O,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-13T02:01:27.675+0000) > > I am the toughest and nastiest fighter you will run into. stopped reading here, e-peen too big
gNarNar (NA)
: Calling someone a moron after they berated you with insults and slurs isn't toxic.
: this shouldnt get me perma banned or punished at all
> [{quoted}](name=Bronze 4 Haircut,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=q4KhfdvE,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-11T22:05:00.546+0000) > >sure i was flaming stopped reading here, you already know it man
Palastan (NA)
: When are people actually going to be punished for their actions
: So youre telling me I cant be human and I cant be a teenager with a dream and that second chances dont exist. Guess people who play this game truly have no soul...
K0bałt (NA)
: Riot you better be joking on this one
kinda looks like this belongs here...https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/rant
: Honestly, most toxic people just get angry about it, make a new accoun anyway, or buy one, then take their anger out on more people. Riots perm banned quite a lot, but have you noticed the game getting any less toxic? I surely haven't. Which obviously means it isn't doing its job in some way.
> [{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EKWfVXXN,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-04-10T22:48:21.151+0000) > > Honestly, most toxic people just get angry about it, make a new accoun anyway, or buy one citation needed for this
Scrumf (NA)
: How do you know that I was warned by Riot with my most recent punishment? it's stated by Riot "There is currently no way to view the previous suspension reform cards."
bc it says it on every. single. 14 day suspension.
Scrumf (NA)
: where does it clearly outline zero tolerance and also zero tolerance would mean instantly banning my account
do you really need to be told that throwing around homophobic or racial slurs is a bad thing? i think i'm done responding to you, you're clearly not listening to anything anyone is saying and I honestly don't think you want to hear anything besides "yes you're right and everything about RIOT is wrong" good luck on your next account{{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: > [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MuJkOV8Y,comment-id=00050001000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-08T02:51:58.566+0000) > > do you really need me to explain why taking communication out of a team game bc a few bad apples can't control themselves is a bad idea? > > no, sry, not wasting my time with you Is that not what the pings are for? And if the communication is so paramount, why have a mute button?
> [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MuJkOV8Y,comment-id=00050001000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-08T02:51:58.566+0000) > > bc a few bad apples can't control themselves i wont be responding further
: > [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MuJkOV8Y,comment-id=000500010000,timestamp=2019-04-08T02:17:51.443+0000) > > what a god awful idea... Why?
do you really need me to explain why taking communication out of a team game bc a few bad apples can't control themselves is a bad idea? no, sry, not wasting my time with you
Scrumf (NA)
: I have already stated that I fully agree that my actions were unbecoming and I would gladly accept any kind of TEMPORARY punitive measures and would try in the future to curve my behavior given the chance and agree the homophobic slurs and toxic behavior have no place on the rift. However the point of contention is that the reason given for a permanent ban was my "Excessive negative behavior" which 2 offences in the span of a year does not make. it is also a point of contention that it is not clearly stated that homophobic slurs are considered "Excessive negative behavior" so why did that give you the right to deem it so without any kind of warning to the players.
considering RIOT classifies the things you said under "zero tolerance" I would argue that ANY usage of them AT ALL would easily fall into the "excessive negative behavior" category it's zero tolerance for a reason, quit trying to justify your toxicity, it's just getting pathetic at this point
Scrumf (NA)
: The unjust nature of it is that the terms of use and summoners code make no mention of this and the employee wasn't able to defend their own position on the matter to the point that they simply closed to ticket with no resolution
you were told flat out, "stop doing what you're doing or you're gone"...they literally told you that... I'm finding your story about the support person hard to believe, do you have the text from that exchange?
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MuJkOV8Y,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-04-08T01:00:41.969+0000) > > Why does theft matter in a world with cameras, buzzers that go off if you walk out of the store, serial numbers... etc? > > Because it's still wrong, and other people shouldn't have to burden themselves because you can't avoid doing wrong things. The classic over exaggeration. Equating smack talk to a crime. "Being mean over internet chat is the same as murder! Its the same as robbing a bank!" Just get rid of chat altogether and avoid any more toxicity in chat.
> [{quoted}](name=Wave Burner,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MuJkOV8Y,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2019-04-08T02:14:33.204+0000) > > Just get rid of chat altogether and avoid any more toxicity in chat. what a god awful idea...
Scrumf (NA)
: I was unjustly permanently banned
> [{quoted}](name=Scrumf,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OxrnZPTR,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-08T02:14:16.601+0000) > > it does not allow me any opportunity to reform my behavior at a later date. it does, just not on that account > [{quoted}](name=Scrumf,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OxrnZPTR,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-08T02:14:16.601+0000) > >Full disclosure the first incident involved my using a homophobic slur to which i received a 2 week ban which I agreed was merited when you received this punishment it stated on your punishment card that ANY NEGATIVE BEHAVIOR would result in your permanent ban nothing about this seems unjust
: Why does toxicity matter so much in a game with a mute button?
it's almost like times change or something....weird...
: League of legends is a trash game now
im curious who exactly you're hoping to enlighten with this post
Vreivai (NA)
: I've seen far more egregious shit get hit with just a 14-day ban (and OP mentioned his brother had no prior punishments). I do agree it's unlikely it'll be reduced, though. I really don't get the logic of the IFS on instant permabans, though. As far as I can tell, when it detects zero-tolerance language it just goes to random.org and does a 1-100 roll and if it rolls a 5 or less applies a perma. I've seen 14-day bans where someone's thrown around the N word constantly all game and I've seen instant permabans where someone's said the N word once and the three or six letter F word once.
> [{quoted}](name=Vreivai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UIPKX5Vh,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2019-04-07T17:55:57.448+0000) > > I've seen far more egregious shit get hit with just a 14-day ban (and OP mentioned his brother had no prior punishments). I do agree it's unlikely it'll be reduced, though. if these are the logs that led to his ban then i would assume he has had other punishments > I really don't get the logic of the IFS on instant permabans, though. As far as I can tell, when it detects zero-tolerance language it just goes to random.org and does a 1-100 roll and if it rolls a 5 or less applies a perma. I've seen 14-day bans where someone's thrown around the N word constantly all game and I've seen instant permabans where someone's said the N word once and the three or six letter F word once. while it may be inconsistent at times, you are very much exaggerating it
: > [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UIPKX5Vh,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-04-07T06:35:51.140+0000) > > If those are the chat logs from your brothers perma ban he basically stands 0 chance of getting his account back, sry at this point i agree, its just really dissapointing and it was the result of specific circumstance (**that** group of friends) (1 of us goes afk) (he gets draven) (t1 was his idol) me and my brother are polar opposites in personality but he is still my best friend and i miss playing with him.
i hear ya but RIOT takes a hard line with this kind of stuff. GL man
: ok here are some answers to all of your questions so far @Imperial Pandaa i can all but guarentee it was not one of my friends who reported but all of them told me they did not report. @zPOOPz that was my theory as well and riot support refused to tell me who/ what team they were on (asked from the banned account) @Jaara here are all of the chat logs (im not gonna say the words but will put a clean version in its place) Game 1 In-Game Mathew64: rip Mathew64: john gives you good sex _John is the name of 1 friend in the game_ Mathew64: 3 hp Mathew64: fuk this Mathew64: HELP YOU ***** _word for a bundle of sticks or a gay person_ Mathew64: FUK YOU ****** _ he forgot the n word pass at home that day_ Mathew64: WOWOWOWOW Mathew64: tHAT DMG Mathew64: BYE Mathew64: GG EZ Mathew64: 4V5 Mathew64: ****** _he said n word looking at the chat logs there is a large chance he said this in all chat (he said he did not but im not sure)_ Mathew64: EZ if he did say that last word in all then im not sure if it warrants a perma ban on first offence or not but i understand the situation a bit more.
If those are the chat logs from your brothers perma ban he basically stands 0 chance of getting his account back, sry
DeJuan (OCE)
: Ban Appeal
> [{quoted}](name=DeJuan,realm=OCE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7grdBFRL,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-07T02:28:37.018+0000) > > So I've just been permanently banned out of nowhere > [{quoted}](name=DeJuan,realm=OCE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7grdBFRL,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-07T02:28:37.018+0000) > >I was very salty and said a few things that i shouldnt have these two things dont add up
Sundling (EUW)
: Got banned today... 14 days for 7 messages.... ARAM..
stop spamming, this was all explained to you already https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/xn7qgv25-got-banned-today-14-days-for-7-messages
: I am a paying customer who acts right, but I should deal with them?
I am a law abiding citizen who pays his taxes, why do I have to deal with jerks when i use public transportation?
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