: > [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=d8HfVxpW,comment-id=000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-20T17:06:22.423+0000) > > if after you recieved a 600$ ticket **AND had your license taken away for 2 full weeks** then yes, that would be ample opprotunity to learn from your mistakes I'll be waiting at the bottom of the hill for when that speedometer goes 1 over.
and I'd have no one to blame but myself see the point?
: > [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ERe4fPaT,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-21T05:40:59.419+0000) > > Again, no. > > You were punished because you didn't do it in a _civil_ way. You're allowed to say things like "Guys, push mid", "Take dragon", or "we need to group", etc. > > You don't have to suck up to anyone, you don't have to be their best friend, you just have to **not **flame them. Oh yeah I tried doing that, and you know what I get told? "stfu noob" and "R%%%% U dont know how to play" > > Kills actually _do_ matter. Not when every single game ends up like this: [https://i.imgur.com/ynIv3pR.png] where people spend the entire game just doing nothing but chasing kills. But the moment I suggest they stop and actually take a tower for once, I get told how "fking dumb" i am and how I "dont know how to play" because "look at ur kills". aka "ur not going for double digit kills like us so you dont get to talk" This often said when I am in a SUPPORT ROLE > > No kills = no agency in lane, no gold, no strong players in teamfights. They use "you need kills to win" as a dismissal so they can go back to ignoring towers and chasing kills. Whenevery I ask them the stop chasing kills, I get told to shut up and how "you need kills to win" when theya re sitting with a 17+ kda, and then go back to chasing more kills. > > No objectives = no map control, no objective control, low gold income. Again, whenever i try and suggest that they need towers in order to WIN, I get told to sit down, stfu, and stop being salty because I "dont have any kills" (even as a support) > > It's all about balance. You can't go around saying kills don't matter because they do, you just need to find the fine line between "team deathmatch" and "players who never leave lane and only CS/push towers." I understand there needs to be a balance, But this community seems to think ONLY KILLS MATTER. Even had a few people under the impression that kills DESTROY THE TOWER FOR YOU!. Anyone who doesnt fall in line with thier need for 100 kills before even thinking about towers is labeled a "Troll" or "salty noob". I never said Kills dont have a place, I am saying People focus PURELY on kills like they will suddenly cause the enemy to run out of respawns and automatically be declared the winning. even level 4, had a kayn who spent 20 minutes running after nothing but kills, bragging about how he had an "Ez win becuz they bad" while ignoring towers. Suprise suprise. HE LOST because the enemy focused towers and only went for kills when it was neccesary. Not like our fucking arrogant "im too OP for this team" Kayn who was only interested in having "most kills, bruh" > > Anyways, again, you were punished for flaming your teammates. Say whatever you want about the state of the game or your teammates, everyone has teammates they don't synergize with. It happens. Doesn't mean you can flame them. And again, If that means that telling players that the LOSE because they IGNORE THE TOWERS is considered toxic, is considered "flaming". Then this community is even more pathetic and fragile than I thought. They cant even handle "Cause and Effect" being explained to them "You ignore towers is the Cause, You losing is the effect" suddenly its too toxic and hurtful to thier precious ego. Oh well, guess its back to trolling new players while grinding.
whole lotta fluff and excuses but still no logs.... hhhmmmmmm...{{sticker:sg-ahri-3}}
: yes, it's not some monumental feat of humanity to just not flame people... if it's a choice between calling some rando a noob or keeping my account, easy choice. this is made even easier with the muting allies addition
agreed to disagree{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: yes, it's not some monumental feat of humanity to just not flame people... if it's a choice between calling some rando a noob or keeping my account, easy choice. this is made even easier with the muting allies addition
land your plane man, are you trying to get me to say something specific? its simple, if you commit an egregious offense and get a 14-day suspension, that should be more than enough to convice someone to not do that shit again, and if it doesn't, that's on them. Plain and simple. I do not believe the amount of players "accidentally" using a slur and wanting to legitimately reform would warrant adding this feature bc it would only be giving ACTUAL toxic people an extra chance to continue to be toxic.
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=d8HfVxpW,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-20T17:23:11.436+0000) > > of course I have, but I also know that if i fucked up bad enough to get 14 days off you can bet your ass i would cut out that behaviour asap So if Riot changed the rules today, and any amount of toxicity would result in an immediate, permanent ban, you are absolutely certain that you could 100% fix that behavior immediately, with no slipups whatsoever. You would never again utter even the mildest toxic anything. Just like that?
yes, it's not some monumental feat of humanity to just not flame people... if it's a choice between calling some rando a noob or keeping my account, easy choice. this is made even easier with the muting allies addition
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=d8HfVxpW,comment-id=000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-20T17:06:22.423+0000) > > if after you recieved a 600$ ticket **AND had your license taken away for 2 full weeks** then yes, that would be ample opprotunity to learn from your mistakes Okay, let me ask you something. Have you NEVER said anything remotely toxic in game? Ever? Never called someone a noob. Never asked someone to stop feeding. Never said "Report?"
of course I have, but I also know that if i fucked up bad enough to get 14 days off you can bet your ass i would cut out that behaviour asap
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=d8HfVxpW,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-20T16:55:59.653+0000) > > but they did and they were warned... > > And i mean, how much of the population would this even apply to? You're on these board enough to see that people who get the 14 days are rarely, if ever, the case of a one-off slip up. I think your solution would just end up enabling more toxicity than it solves Okay, hypothetical situation here: Every day on your daily commute, you drive 5 MPH over the speed limit on the 65 MPH freeway. If you're ever pulled over, you'll have a $200 fine. This is your behavior for 10 years, and you're never fined. You even see police cars nearby once in a while and they don't even give you a second glance. One day, you're really late for work and you take the carpool lane even though you're alone. That's more serious, and the fine is $600. Unfortunately, you get caught, and the cop gives you your $600 fine. Okay, well, it's your own damn fault, so you pay the fine and try to move on. However, the next day, you've got a cop following you around everywhere you go, and the moment you go 1 MPH over the speed limit, he takes your license. Does that seem fair to you? Does that seem like you had an opportunity to learn from your mistakes?
> [{quoted}](name=Subdue,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=d8HfVxpW,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-20T17:00:17.400+0000) > > > Does that seem fair to you? Does that seem like you had an opportunity to learn from your mistakes? if after you recieved a 600$ ticket **AND had your license taken away for 2 full weeks** then yes, that would be ample opprotunity to learn from your mistakes
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=d8HfVxpW,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-20T16:38:05.454+0000) > > see edit > > and I still see nothing wrong with the current setup, it's an egregious offense that warrants a 14-day suspension, not a "slip up" and the severity of the punishment should be enough to deter future flaming, seems pretty effective IMO if we believe RIOTs posts about the vast majority of punished players not getting a second punishment Riots posts are regarding receiving the first chat restriction. You can be occasionally, mildly toxic after the first chat restriction and never reach the second. There is still some leniency. This is different from the 14 day ban which has no leniency and results in a permanent ban afterwards. Edit: And again, we're talking about getting permanently banned for a level of toxicity so mild and so infrequent that had you not gotten hit with a 14 Day ban for a zero tolerance phrase, it wouldn't even trigger a chat restriction.
> [{quoted}](name=Subdue,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=d8HfVxpW,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-20T16:51:40.511+0000) > > And again, we're talking about getting permanently banned for a level of toxicity so mild and so infrequent that **had you not gotten hit with a 14 Day ban for a zero tolerance phrase**, it wouldn't even trigger a chat restriction. but they did and they were warned... And i mean, how much of the population would this even apply to? You're on these board enough to see that people who get the 14 days are rarely, if ever, the case of a one-off slip up. I think your solution would just end up enabling more toxicity than it solves
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=d8HfVxpW,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-20T16:28:55.458+0000) > > yeah we're going to have to agree to disagree on that one > > if you use a racial slur and get a 2 week suspension for it, that should be more than enough to tell you "hey that's a pretty big fuck up and here's 2 weeks to think about it" > > then to turn around 2 weeks later and do it again? THEN you should get ANOTHER chance after that? potentially giving you 3 different games using racial slurs??? no thanks Okay, we're having some communication issues here. I'm not saying you can use a ZT phrase 4 times over before getting permanently banned. I have never received any penalty of any sort, and I've been playing since season 1. If today I used a ZT phrase, I'd get a 14 day ban. And afterwards, if I so much as call someone a noob or a feeder, the mildest of toxicity, a level of toxicity that the system normally tolerates in small, infrequent doses, I would be in danger of losing an account that has previously been clean for a decade.
see edit and I still see nothing wrong with the current setup, it's an egregious offense that warrants a 14-day suspension, not a "slip up" and the severity of the punishment should be enough to deter future flaming, seems pretty effective IMO if we believe RIOTs posts about the vast majority of punished players not getting a second punishment
: Thanks. Now I remembered R107 Games and I'm sad.
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=d8HfVxpW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-20T16:04:19.724+0000) > > this...doesnt make sense > > why would a second offense (after a MAJOR infraction) warrant a lesser punishment? bass akwards if you ask me That's a great question. The problem is that there is no opportunity to reform. Let's say that you have been playing for 5 years. And during those 5 years, you're generally a positive player. Once in a while, maybe once every couple of weeks, you get frustrated and lash out, but never anything extreme. This probably describes the vast majority of players. You're never penalized for this, because the system understands that people get frustrated sometimes. One day, you are chatting with your friend and you call him the N-Word. This is normal conversation between the two of you, but someone else gets offended and reports you, resulting in a 14 Day ban. Fine, you deserved it, you should have known better. You accept your 14 Day ban, make a mental note to not use that word, or any other word that can be considered a slur. Two weeks later, someone says something that sets you off. Again, rare occurrence, but it does happen. The same behavior which has been reinforced as acceptable for FIVE YEARS of playing now results in a permanent loss of your account.
> [{quoted}](name=Subdue,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=d8HfVxpW,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-09-20T16:22:33.907+0000) > > That's a great question. > > The problem is that there is no opportunity to reform. Let's say that you have been playing for 5 years. And during those 5 years, you're generally a positive player. Once in a while, maybe once every couple of weeks, you get frustrated and lash out, but never anything extreme. This probably describes the vast majority of players. You're never penalized for this, because the system understands that people get frustrated sometimes. > > One day, you are chatting with your friend and you call him the N-Word. This is normal conversation between the two of you, but someone else gets offended and reports you, resulting in a 14 Day ban. > > Fine, you deserved it, you should have known better. You accept your 14 Day ban, make a mental note to not use that word, or any other word that can be considered a slur. > > Two weeks later, someone says something that sets you off. Again, rare occurrence, but it does happen. The same behavior which has been reinforced as acceptable for FIVE YEARS of playing now results in a permanent loss of your account. yeah we're going to have to agree to disagree on that one if you use a racial slur and get a 2 week suspension for it, that should be more than enough to tell you "hey that's a pretty big fuck up and here's 2 weeks to think about it" EDIT: read that too quick and misunderstood, removed incorrect lines.
: Well, look at their reasoning; > However, the way these two penalties are combined does not make sense. Using a zero tolerance word or phrase also bumps the penalty tier all the way to the 3rd step, skipping the first two, which means that a single use of a zero tolerance word or phrase followed by even a slight bout of toxicity results in a permanent ban. While, toxicity should always be avoided, this does not afford the player the opportunity to reform. He or she may understand that zero tolerance words and phrases are just that, but has not been warned that other parts of his or her chatter are also unacceptable. I personally agree with the sentiment that ZT+minor infraction leading straight into a permaban is a bit overmuch, but I also agree that maybe having ZT be a separate punishment track altogether from the main misbehavior track may also be a bit too lenient. If I recall, Imperial Pandaa (who also shares the sentiment regarding ZT and minor offenses, IIRC - Pandaa, if I'm misattributing your perspective, feel free to call me out on it) had a decent idea of having the Zero-Tolerance offense still push you up to a 14-day ban, but for intents and purposes count players as having just come off a 25-game CR; so that minor misbehavior won't immediately push the player into the permanent ban, allowing the players a chance at reform, but continued ZT misbehavior will still result in the hammer dropping.
i guess im just hung up on this part >While, toxicity should always be avoided, this does not afford the player the opportunity to reform. i see no reason why the 14 day break is not sufficient as "an opprotunity to reform".
Subdue (NA)
: Why is Zero Tolerance so Intolerant?
this...doesnt make sense why would a second offense (after a MAJOR infraction) warrant a lesser punishment? bass akwards if you ask me
: So I managed to get perm banned for "being toxic"
> [{quoted}](name=PEPSINKINGisback,realm=EUNE,application-id=GgNYATV4,discussion-id=o1ENwWmX,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-19T22:27:15.856+0000) > > And then I slurred back tons of lines as she just took the cherry from the top. > And from the endless amounts of players from EUNE slurring in turkish/slovak/etc. > The snowflakes from the ban team decide to ban me because I have more IQ points in my slurs?????? > uses slurs brags about IQ wow...{{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lv5mOa2r,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-20T12:49:25.970+0000) > > Honestly, I am tired of these "Boohoo, I'm the jungler and get blamed" posts. > > Tops get flamed/blamed. > Mid gets flamed/blamed. > Bot gets flamed/blamed. > Support get flamed/blamed. > And yes, Jungle gets flamed/blamed too. > > You want protection from laners flaming? Fine, then laners get protection when the jungler flames too then. Oh wait, a mute button exists that will protect you from further flame in a match? There is your god damn protection. You are free to report in the post game lobby too. everyone knows the flame jungle take is disproportional. There is a reason it has become a meme. It's legit every flame on laner you get 5x the amount on jungle. Don't believe me just ask foxdrop. I rarely get flamed as laner. https://youtu.be/OvjTduRgfi0
> [{quoted}](name=DancingRain1,realm=OCE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lv5mOa2r,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-20T13:11:02.527+0000) > > everyone knows support main here, disagree
: The Real Point
seems like this belongs in the RANT section to me...
: If you dont spend money on the game that really has no affect on anyone. Most people once they lose their main accounts just stop spending any money period. Although I will add this New accounts get three rune pages, over 12000 BE and upto two perm skin shards before level 15. Quite frankly if League had a system like DOTA where they shove you in video game hell I would be a lot better with my comms BUT they dont. Banning still allows you to play the same game modes with the same champions as usual with no real affect whatsoever.
> [{quoted}](name=Hateful Redditor,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YOHIQkqV,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-19T17:10:26.449+0000) > > If you dont spend money on the game that really has no affect on anyone. not really true, even if you dont pay a dime you can still acrue limited time skins, icons, etc. that would make losing the account hurt
GilxeN (EUW)
: ***
it made about as much sense as your post {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: Oh I have. And surprisingly this post which clearly has evidence is being downvoted by trolls who probably throw their own games and are salty over me pointing it out.
its really not surprising at all, but it's not for the reasons you think
GilxeN (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9Bqypx7G,comment-id=00020001000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-17T12:13:52.470+0000) > > that just shows its possible, nothing about what you said shows encouragement from RIOT Riot indirectly encourage perma banned players to create new one account... the rest you know.
So the police must indirectly encourage murder bc not every murderer gets caught right?
GilxeN (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9Bqypx7G,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2019-09-16T13:27:50.444+0000) > > how do you make the jump from RIOT literally kicking people off the platform to them "encouraging" more trolling???{{sticker:sg-lux-2}} ??? Make new account, troll, flame, feed in that circumstance low level games are ruined, so actually players playing with permanently banned players. Profit?...
that just shows its possible, nothing about what you said shows encouragement from RIOT
: Wasn't there a message we get when someone we reported is punished? I've gotten it before.
that is in response to in-game reports direct reports through the support page will never be revealed
: the system does not tell you if the player was left off with a warning ( so being their first offense) and im sure a lot of the times the system doesnt figure it out best place to go is fill support ticket and report them
keeping in mind that support will NOT tell you the result of their investigation
GilxeN (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9Bqypx7G,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-16T04:50:08.435+0000) > > It eventually drives them away as they get sick of being permabanned over and over. > > That, and a small, dense barrier of toxicity is less harmful to the game than it just festering everywhere. At least with the dense barrier you can say "Just play a few games and you'll get past it". Driving away? They are encouraged to troll more games and ruin it to the max. I am not gonna lie my first acc was perma banned for harsh insults. second perma ban was for trash talking. And chat restriction for 2 words like (TF Blade recent 14 days ban in Turkey server). This system is fking trash, tons of examples has proven it. Waiting for downvotes because boards are absolutely blind and ignorant.
> [{quoted}](name=GilxeN,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9Bqypx7G,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-09-16T08:28:27.268+0000) > > They are encouraged to troll more games and ruin it to the max. how do you make the jump from RIOT literally kicking people off the platform to them "encouraging" more trolling???{{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
: You still waste your life on playing this game. that's the real joke lol. being perma'd woke me up to how bad this game is for peoples' physical health. It's programmed to be 1 step forward and 2 steps back.
some might say the real joke is a grown person unable to follow the simple rules of a game made for children
: I was being dead serious. I've rollercoastered all up and down gold elo wasting whole days and getting 0 progress out of it and it just leaves me frustrated because the ranking system doesn't reward solo q players who are good.
: This game is unbalanced dogshit anyway. Honestly my life has always been more positive outside of video games when I don't play this troll filled, impossible to climb mess. So +1 for life happiness
: Permanently banned for spamming bird? what is so toxic this warrants a permanent ban?
you were told when you got your 14 day suspension that **ANY NEGATIVITY** would result in a perma ban >This isn't even super toxic so you admit it is toxic ("super" or not is irrellevant), which would fall into the **ANY NEGATIVITY** category, so here we are
GwAwatsE (EUW)
: Much More, amount of time invested just to loose your LP
"what else can they do?" "more" nice one...
: I reckon it is worth about half a non premade honor. I base this math off the fact it takes 2 premade honors for the load screen ribbon as opposed to 1 from non.
https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/115008474148: >**Can I game the system and boost to level 5 by constantly playing with a premade and honoring each other every game?** > >Nice idea. We had it too. So we specifically built Honor so potential exploits like this give you (and your friend) _literally no benefit._ literally no benefit
Ebonmaw (EUNE)
: Or maybe they are honnoring their premades :D
but RIOT has stated a few times that honoring premades counts for almost nothing
Sukishoo (NA)
: No, it's clearly because as I said. You just can't. You have no civil skills or tact. It's why people look at the community as toxic, because your kind proves it to be that.
presenting opinions as facts: check attacking instead of making a point: check lol ok i think we're done here buhbye{{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
GwAwatsE (EUW)
: Trollers in League of Legends
the punishment for intentionally feeding is a 14 day suspension for the first offense how much more severe can they make it without being unreasonable?
Sukishoo (NA)
: Votes mean nothing anymore. People just use them to be a quick solution and hide without actually coming in and speaking as to why they feel otherwise. Or actually provide something to oppose said topic. Like having 20 down votes and then seeing 1 or 2 comments back to said post actually shows the voting system should be removed. It's an old arbitrary system that has been easy to manipulate for decades.
or it means that's just a blatantly bad post that requires no responses or clarification most regulars here know a shitpost when they see one
: Nevermind my opinion on any specific posts, my personal view is no point of argument, but notice how so many of the ones that are disliked have a ton of comments agreeing with them, and those comments are full of likes, that's the fucked up part.. It means there's a ton of people just blindly & automatically disliking any posts that seems like it might be a criticism towards the way the game is being handled, and that's ridiculous because we NEED people to complain more if we want something to be done about it.
i see people disliking comments that are just rage-venting, assumptions, incorrect information and bias opinions i dont see any **legitimate** critisism "blindly downvoted". In fact most well thought out posts are met with praise bc it's so dam refreshing to get an ACTUAL legit difference of opinion instead of the mindless rage that this subforum is filled with. i would still like an example from your side
: >This is ridiculous! There's always children trolling, they even admit to their trolling and taunt you to report saying they never get banned, if i had a penny for every time i saw that line in a chatlog on these boards...
: I find it pretty strange that any post which validly criticizes the punish system or trolls & ragequitters (which have all become a HUGE problem) gets blindly disliked, but the comments replying to it are all agreeing with it, and all have a lot of likes. Even if you can't discern a good one from a bad one, the replies agreeing with lots of likes already make it clear that something's twisted.
> [{quoted}](name=FOWSHOWBROW,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sAust6uN,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-09-13T15:51:17.636+0000) > > I find it pretty strange that any post which validly criticizes the punish system or trolls & ragequitters (which have all become a HUGE problem) gets blindly disliked can you show us an example? keep in mind you said "**VALIDLY**"
zPOOPz (NA)
: ahhh.... so it's okay for you to have a new account and go into ranked with it (you did went into ranked on this shiny new account yeah?), but we gotta ban those level 30s for all you know were in the same situation as you....
{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
aosomer (NA)
: Yeah thats the thing, there are probably more adults on this game than kids. However, they arent offended by the punishments, we are actually in a state of awe at how offended people get for literally nothing. Muting people has become the norm on this game not just to avoid getting tilted but to avoid being reported. Ive been in various amounts of games where people at the end of the game are falsely stating constantly the amount of toxicity that players bring and are trying to get people mass reported. In fact, I think every single game int the past year or longer of league someone in the end game lobby is asking everyone to report someone on both teams even. The amount of reporting is ridiculous. They are indeed snowflakes.
> [{quoted}](name=aosomer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mZvxnWEg,comment-id=00000000000000000000000200000000,timestamp=2019-09-11T23:34:17.764+0000) > > Yeah thats the thing, there are probably more adults on this game than kids. However, they arent offended by the punishments complete conjecture and pure opinion >we are actually in a state of awe at how offended people get for literally nothing. Dont use "we", you speak for no one >Muting people has become the norm on this game not just to avoid getting tilted but to avoid being reported. Ive been in various amounts of games where people at the end of the game are falsely stating constantly the amount of toxicity that players bring and are trying to get people mass reported. In fact, I think every single game int the past year or longer of league someone in the end game lobby is asking everyone to report someone on both teams even. > > The amount of reporting is ridiculous. They are indeed snowflakes. you can get reported in every single game you play. If you do no break the rules then nothing will happen
: why doesnt league punish toxicity and feeders?
-reads title -looks at the boards {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=1SPIRIT,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Q6QG18Ev,comment-id=000000000000000000010000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-11T13:17:55.437+0000) > > I've personally reported someone because a teammate reminded me to do so, when I would've forgotten it otherwise. I thought multiple reports did more than one, maybe I'm mistaken. > > I didn't keep saying go next, I said it once or twice because I wanted to go on to next game as, again, we had a griefing troll. This isn't against the rules. Its "negativity" because I'm in a game with a troll that I don't want to waste my time on. > > You should read the post, which you refer to as "bla bla" to understand why I deserve to be unbanned. If you refuse to read it, and only want to look at chat logs and go no further, taking the stance that Riot can't be wrong, and interpreting the rules to defend the ban in any possible way, then we have nothing to talk about, because you don't care about what is right or wrong. 1 report = 4 reports = 9 reports It only takes 1 report to flag a game for review and the extra reports do nothing special. So it doesn't matter if everyone reports someone, as long as you or someone else reports them Why should i read the whole post? It literally adds nothing to this. You were negative in your chat logs (literally less than a month after your final warning) and you got punished for it because in riot's eyes you can't reform. Riot can be wrong, and if riot gives someone an unjustified ban, they can contact riot support and ask for an unban, which they will get if the ban was unjustified
and I have received 0 reply notifications to your responses to me here. They really need to sort this out when threads get this long...
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=1SPIRIT,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Q6QG18Ev,comment-id=000000000000000000010000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-11T13:17:55.437+0000) > > I've personally reported someone because a teammate reminded me to do so, when I would've forgotten it otherwise. I thought multiple reports did more than one, maybe I'm mistaken. > > I didn't keep saying go next, I said it once or twice because I wanted to go on to next game as, again, we had a griefing troll. This isn't against the rules. Its "negativity" because I'm in a game with a troll that I don't want to waste my time on. > > You should read the post, which you refer to as "bla bla" to understand why I deserve to be unbanned. If you refuse to read it, and only want to look at chat logs and go no further, taking the stance that Riot can't be wrong, and interpreting the rules to defend the ban in any possible way, then we have nothing to talk about, because you don't care about what is right or wrong. 1 report = 4 reports = 9 reports It only takes 1 report to flag a game for review and the extra reports do nothing special. So it doesn't matter if everyone reports someone, as long as you or someone else reports them Why should i read the whole post? It literally adds nothing to this. You were negative in your chat logs (literally less than a month after your final warning) and you got punished for it because in riot's eyes you can't reform. Riot can be wrong, and if riot gives someone an unjustified ban, they can contact riot support and ask for an unban, which they will get if the ban was unjustified
? (i think the msg display limit is causing confusion. My post was in response to the OP)
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=1SPIRIT,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Q6QG18Ev,comment-id=000000000000000000010000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-11T13:17:55.437+0000) > > I've personally reported someone because a teammate reminded me to do so, when I would've forgotten it otherwise. I thought multiple reports did more than one, maybe I'm mistaken. > > I didn't keep saying go next, I said it once or twice because I wanted to go on to next game as, again, we had a griefing troll. This isn't against the rules. Its "negativity" because I'm in a game with a troll that I don't want to waste my time on. > > You should read the post, which you refer to as "bla bla" to understand why I deserve to be unbanned. If you refuse to read it, and only want to look at chat logs and go no further, taking the stance that Riot can't be wrong, and interpreting the rules to defend the ban in any possible way, then we have nothing to talk about, because you don't care about what is right or wrong. 1 report = 4 reports = 9 reports It only takes 1 report to flag a game for review and the extra reports do nothing special. So it doesn't matter if everyone reports someone, as long as you or someone else reports them Why should i read the whole post? It literally adds nothing to this. You were negative in your chat logs (literally less than a month after your final warning) and you got punished for it because in riot's eyes you can't reform. Riot can be wrong, and if riot gives someone an unjustified ban, they can contact riot support and ask for an unban, which they will get if the ban was unjustified
ffs man... your "arguments" mean nothing when your ACTUAL chat log tells the whole story
aosomer (NA)
: Their summoner code I found out very quickly is written very much like a very strict rule book to where if you are a blip on their radar you they will crucify you for doing things that are so harmless. Why perma ban someone for flaming chat? why not just perma ban their chat?
yeah "dont be a jerk" is SUPER strict... {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
aosomer (NA)
: I love how this game wants to be a sport but wants zero banter. Just a bunch of snowflakes on this game.
there's a line between banter and flame which the OP clearly crossed. Maybe the "snowflakes" are the one who complain when they get punished for not following simple rules meant for children?
: I am not expecting an instant permaban. I expected a feedback report, but have received nothing. Even just a warning is fair game. I just want to know that this behavior is being looked at and handled and, like I said, the news of sexism within the company is discouraging. You just seemed to come at me a little aggressive with your comments assuming I like drama, have no suggestions, and just want to complain. I am sorry I began the argument in a way you do not like, but it is a real issue and I hope you can see that.
the feedback notification only pops up on occasion **BY DESIGN** so people waste time playing vigilante, hunting down punishment responses.
: And since it isn't working very well, as demographics and feedback show, its probably a good idea to keep improving the rules and make them more adequate. What I don't understand is the need to blow things out of proportion with drama instead of discussing the ideas I presented.
> [{quoted}](name=Fitzherald,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=cFfnEzZb,comment-id=000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-08T13:02:54.369+0000) > > And since it isn't working very well, as demographics and feedback show please show me
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blatantly against the ToS and would result in the account being banned if discovered
: > [{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dGpeRIz3,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-08T22:42:26.607+0000) > > Not really. > > "Me being a dickhead is justified" sounds stupid, doesn't it? You already got one in your game and you resort to join that one? "Me responding to people with anger when they deliberately, by their own admission, go out of their way to screw me over shouldn't be something that I get punished for" sounds a lot LESS silly, though, and that would be an accurate representation of "justified toxicity". But that's okay. Banning people who say mean things out of anger in a video game is significantly more important than banning the people who caused that anger response, right? Because that's what you're defending right now.
"me deliberately breaking rules i agreed to for no reason other than to feed a troll exactly what he wants" ftfy
: > [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dGpeRIz3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-08T22:34:54.119+0000) > > not a thing Definitely a thing.
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