: My issue with Rakan
My only issue with Rakan is that he's too damn sexy
: Is Xayah Considered Balanced?
Too early to tell for sure but she'll probably recieve small nerfs at first. From what I've played of her, a lot of her damage comes from people not paying attention/not expecting it.
: Champs You Never Feel Outplayed by When you Die to Them?
Another thing I really hate is when someone goes somebody like {{champion:105}} and builds tanky yet is still able to kill you with 1 combo. Like if you're sacrificing damage for tankyness why are you still doing THAT much damage? It should be a trade off, lose some potential damage but get some defenses, not "now I'm tanky AND I can 1 shot people still" especially on a champ that's already hard to kill in the first place
: Any rioters out there willing to grace this bronzie with a friend request?
One goal of mine has been to duel Scarizard because theres only room for 1 _"-zard"_ on the rift
: Champs You Never Feel Outplayed by When you Die to Them?
This thread ended up being more popular than I thought it'd be I'm surprised by the amount of {{champion:23}} being mentioned. I haven't seen one in a long time so idk how he's doing right now. I kinda forgot he existed lol.
: I can't believe I had to scroll this far to find Graves the adc, bursty, caster, dps, tank, mobility, safe, pos.
> [{quoted}](name=IGotScuttleCrabs,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mYN3Ecah,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2017-04-28T21:38:48.105+0000) > > I can't believe I had to scroll this far to find Graves the adc, bursty, caster, dps, tank, mobility, safe, pos. Tbh I haven't been seeing many Graves lately but I heard that Black Cleaver procs multiple times on his auto attacks or something
: i guess the people that play xayah in my matches are just not used to returning ganks then, thanks for the info!
> [{quoted}](name=InstinctJolt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aycw41BA,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-04-28T18:04:39.823+0000) > > i guess the people that play xayah in my matches are just not used to returning ganks then, thanks for the info! If you're at high enough health to deal with them, it's sometimes better to stand your ground and fight. The enemy forgets about your feathers and once you E you chunk out a good portion of health to make them reconsider staying. If you wanna watch the replay here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz9OxqGhdqU Part of the reason we won that was because of the Taric ult while they are already focusing Eve. I was able to ult and then Q and W as they turned on me and I think I had like 11 feathers out when I E'd. Poor Rakan had 1% HP left and tried to get away with Exhaust but it was too late XD Another useful tip I've found is if I see people coming in behind me, throw out some feathers in front of me and then flash backwards so the enemy that was behind me is now in front, and then E. It roots them and now I'm closer to my turret.
Dextix LT (EUNE)
: {{champion:64}} "W - R - Q - Q" Much Lcs, such skeel. {{champion:157}} Has every tool he needs to deal with anything, he can only really outplay himself... {{champion:39}} Enemy has more hp? Stun and then Run or lifesteal up and kill the enemy while they are stunned for an eternity.
> [{quoted}](name=Dextix LT,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mYN3Ecah,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2017-04-28T18:05:37.282+0000) > > {{champion:64}} "W - R - Q - Q" Much Lcs, such skeel. > > {{champion:157}} Has every tool he needs to deal with anything, he can only really outplay himself... The thing I hate about Lee is that he can decide when you fight him and when you don't. If he lands the Q and dives in you're forced to deal with him and if he ends up losing the fight he'll just R you away.
: Should you main Xayah?
"You are very easily killed in the process of a gank" I've actually had an easier time turning ganks around/getting out of them with Xayah than any other adc I have played but maybe that's just me. I have a video of me turning a 4 man gank around after I kill every single one of them, it felt pretty damn good lol. People should main whatever they want though, you do you. She really doesn't feel THAT hard, but she does require some practice.
Jikker (NA)
: "We lost lane because Janna refused to engage." ....I'm a passive disengage peel support, the exact opposite of an engage champ. If you wanted an engage champ, you should've told me to play Leona in champ select when I asked.
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Ysev0GbW,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-04-28T17:03:21.665+0000) > > "We lost lane because Janna refused to engage." > > ....I'm a passive disengage peel support, the exact opposite of an engage champ. If you wanted an engage champ, you should've told me to play Leona in champ select when I asked. My fav is when you're looking at your team picks so far and say "we don't really have much tankage/engage" and nobody picks a tank or engage champ, and then those same people later complain that we have no tankage/engage
: If you're going to play on the NA server please for the love of god.
Personally I think for a teamwork/communications standpoint you should try to speak the language the majority of your team is speaking so everyone knows what the plan is, but if there's a guy on my team speaking a different language I just try to communicate with pings.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
Rainfall (EUNE)
: Dear supports. Please stop troll picking,troll building,or running it down mid because you didnt get the role you wanted. The games in which you play actual supports and build support items you are more tolerable. The hardest part about maining adc is not carrying games,its dealing with all the shithead supports. Just because riot does not ban you for griefing it does not mean that what youre doing is ok. picking lux support and taking my cs because you want to "carry" gives me the right,no, the OBLIGATION to verbaly abuse you.
> [{quoted}](name=Rainfall,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ags7VEuz,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2017-04-27T23:27:31.409+0000) > > Dear supports. > Please stop troll picking,troll building,or running it down mid because you didnt get the role you wanted. > The games in which you play actual supports and build support items you are more tolerable. > The hardest part about maining adc is not carrying games,its dealing with all the shithead supports. > Just because riot does not ban you for griefing it does not mean that what youre doing is ok. > picking lux support and taking my cs because you want to "carry" gives me the right,no, the OBLIGATION to verbaly abuse you. I mean, if you think you're so high and mighty too that you have the "obligation" to flame someone then I think as one of your teammates I have the obligation to mute and report you for acting like a 10 year old. I'd rather have the troll support become another bursty damage dealer than have your sorry ass whining the whole game.
Rainfall (EUNE)
: ADC main to support mains:buy support items and a sightstone you trolling pieces of shits,i swear to fcking god for every fcking support lux who steals my cs i see i will fcking cringe.
> [{quoted}](name=Rainfall,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ags7VEuz,comment-id=0016,timestamp=2017-04-27T21:17:52.456+0000) > > ADC main to support mains:buy support items and a sightstone you trolling pieces of shits,i swear to fcking god for every fcking support lux who steals my cs i see i will fcking cringe. If you spoke like that to me in game I would make sure to go out of my way to buy only AP items so I can support you by killing the enemy
Zandy (NA)
: Xayah's R>E Damage
You can avoid getting hit by all the feathers if you're farther away from her. She needs to get closer to you to actually hit you with all 5.
: Holy shit, Rakan is so fun to play!
I've been a support main for 2 years playing the occasional adc and top (more so adc than top, but overall primarily support) and HOT DAMN I love Xayah so much. I might have to split maining support with maining Xayah adc
: Obviously {{champion:498}} Reason: It is an ADC They been ''OP'' since season 1 Before you are going to argue, note that ADC have been mandatory every season, and it's being enforced by Riot.
> [{quoted}](name=Spoofghoul,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7kE7oaTG,comment-id=002e,timestamp=2017-04-26T12:51:09.302+0000) > > Obviously {{champion:498}} > > Reason: It is an ADC > > They been ''OP'' since season 1 > > Before you are going to argue, note that ADC have been mandatory every season, and it's being enforced by Riot. Go into a draft. Look at the roles you can pick from. Every one of those is on the list because for the most part, they are mandatory. #nerfeverything2017
: Earn new rewards when reaching mastery levels 8, 9 and 10.
What if instead of a chroma you got a mastery loading border? Like you know how the PROJECT skins and Elementalist Lux got special borders for a limited time that go around the champ picture when you load into game? Something like that. That way it is more universal to all champs but still signifies mastery. It'd reduce the amount of stuff they have to make and add but show that you have mastery to everyone loading in. Instead of giving you a free skin too, what if you got a free skin token? Upon reaching maximum mastery you are granted a skin token to permanently unlock a single skin from the store for that specific champion (only being able to unlock a skin that is currently in the store, not past or vaulted skins that are currently not available)
: I foresaw this bird. It is best bird. Also +1 things to BBC for having David Attenborough narrate the north american release of planet earth 2.
> [{quoted}](name=MagicFlyingLlama,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=K6dVhLHp,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-04-26T02:56:39.562+0000) > > I foresaw this bird. It is best bird. > > Also +1 things to BBC for having David Attenborough narrate the north american release of planet earth 2. His voice is perfect for it and it makes me happy
: Bird of Paradise Rakan
If you don't want to watch the whole thing skip to around 2:08
Rioter Comments
: A note to jg mains: If you gank my lane, don't last hit my whole wave of creeps after you gank
If my jungle successfully ganks and we get something from it then he can have some of my minions. If he ganks and we get nothing out of it then don't take my minions. I'm not gonna "pay taxes" for walking into my lane and walking out, we get something for the payment or no payment. But if we get something out of it take as much of the wave as you want XD
ValSmash (NA)
: What 4800 ip champion should I get?
Not giving a suggestion but all you need to know is that #3 is more commonly referred to as "Donger" or "The Donger"
: Xayah Buff? Nerf? Balanced?
I've only gotten 4 games as her so far, 2 of which were with a Rakan so I can't say with certainty whether she is strong or not, but from what I've played SO FAR (2 wins, 2 losses).. **A lot of her damage simply comes from people not expecting it.** People stand there without moving just auto attacking you and then realize once you E "oh she had feathers" It's the same concept as Twitch. The longer you fight him the more damage he will do because of his poison stacks. The longer you fight Xayah the more feathers she gets and the more damage her E will do. Short bursts of damage are great against her and anyone with mobility will dodge her feathers. She needs time to set up before she can chunk you.
Almighty (EUNE)
: How 10 bans will actually work.
I would assume that it'd be the same way we have it now where the banning is done separate from the picking and everyone goes through the banning phase first, not banning and then picking a champ.
: Why pick Xayah over other adcs?
Because she's different and I find her more engaging and mentally stimulating than other adc's That's just me though
: So... Xayah
Have you ever seen something so adorable that it's overwhelming and you just wanna kill urself? That's me in game as Xayah with a Rakan hearing all the cute shit they say....I love it
: {{champion:498}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:164}} 5 new champs in the past year more then half got untargetable its becoming an issue
> [{quoted}](name=skyfall619,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=61zEeuqT,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-04-24T01:56:30.867+0000) > > {{champion:498}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:164}} > 5 new champs in the past year more then half got untargetable its becoming an issue The only time I can see Kled being untargetable from the description of his abilities is when he is dismounted, which is only a second and allows him to dismount before being hit which is completely fair. I don't think he is untargetable completely during his ult, maybe just immune to CC which isn't the same thing. I don't play Kled and haven't been fighting him recently so I don't know fully how the Ult works. It doesn't mention any sort of invulnerability or untargetable-ness in the description I read on the Wiki and site.
: Summoner's Rift NEEDS thunderstorms.
I feel like they don't add weather because it might screw with people's games and make them a little laggy. However there's always the option to turn stuff off too.
: untargetable being added way too much
The only other recent champ that has it besides Xayah that I can remember is {{champion:164}} They aren't slapping it onto everyone. Also Fizz's =/= Xayah's or Camilles. His is on a shorter cooldown and it's just a regular ability. Theirs are tied to their ults.
: You explain how any champion works and how to counter them If I did that for Ivern, would that make him not overpowered? No.
No, it wouldn't, but the difference between Ivern and the new champs is that they are NEW and people don't have an idea on how they fully work yet. Part of the reason they are strong is because people don't know what they are doing against them. Ivern has been out for a while, people know how to play against him, the problem is that he's just too strong and could really use some nerfs.
: There isn't any data at all to sufficiently prove they are OP or not. Thus, the entire thread is obsolete.
If you had continued reading you'd see that this thread had nothing to do with them being OP. The whole point of this was pointing out counters and explaining how they work for people who are having a tough time with them.
: Can Anyone beat my Baron Steal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z0Z6jX8EQk Playing as Karma, stole the elder dragon on the second Q proc and that turned the game around for us and we eventually won. The dragon wasn't warded either, I just Q'd to see if they were there and I got dragon instead XD It's not a Baron steal but it's something
: Win rate definitely matters, but isn't the only factor. Over a large number of games all the variables even out like player skill, other champs in the game, ect and you can make an inference about a champion's power. Granted, champions like ryze are weak in solo q (40%) win rate, but super strong in LCS. It's one statistic to consider, but it isn't the only factor.
> [{quoted}](name=GirlsWasteXp,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gxIJb0lv,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2017-04-23T19:06:50.368+0000) > > Win rate definitely matters, but isn't the only factor. Over a large number of games all the variables even out like player skill, other champs in the game, ect and you can make an inference about a champion's power. Granted, champions like ryze are weak in solo q (40%) win rate, but super strong in LCS. It's one statistic to consider, but it isn't the only factor. And I don't think it is. It's something I felt like I should include, but I don't think it means too much especially this early. From my own personal experience though over the past couple days it seems as though they aren't doing too well, more so Rakan than Xayah. I'd much rather ban Lucian right now as an adc than Xayah, and I've crushed every Rakan support I've fought as support myself. The point of the post was to bring to light what weaknesses and strengths they have and how you can exploit them, but it seems like the mere mention of a winrate is enough for people to stop reading even though it's not even the point of the post. Probably just gonna get rid of that part of the original post because the whole point of this was for people to talk about how to fight them, not "oh op.gg isn't a good place 2 get winrates im gunna stop readng now"
: No, Xayah and Rakan are Not OP Right Now
The point of this post wasn't the winrates, I just threw them in there to have them. The point of this post was to explain how these champions work and how you can counter them. Every single one of you missed the point entirely.
: Not enough conclusive data to prove either way. Dismissed.
> [{quoted}](name=MissingKayo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gxIJb0lv,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-04-23T18:17:10.470+0000) > > Not enough conclusive data to prove either way. > Dismissed. What data? The only 'data' I mentioned was winrates and that wasn't even the point of this post.
: Making Gameplay threads about Xayah/Rakan's balance is pointless.
The thing is, they have clear cut weaknesses and strengths but everyone perceives them as op because they lose a game against them without having any idea to fight them. Yet when you come to the boards making threads on tips and tricks to fight them and how to counter them, they are immediately downvoted because people don't want to believe a new champ can have weaknesses. They're winrates are low right now, as with many new champions, but to call them op is stupid seeing as they have PRETTY CLEAR weaknesses that can easily be exploited if you try to learn how to fight them.
: No, Xayah and Rakan are Not OP Right Now
I feel like a lot of people downvote this without even taking the time to read because simply seeing "these new champs are not op" is enough to trigger them, because the mentality is that every new champ is op on release. I didn't write this for the lulz. I did it to help people. At least read it.
: TImon {{champion:498}} and Pumba {{champion:497}} are right now thanks to Rito's shameless skin selling cash grabs.
> [{quoted}](name=Cavemantero,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KEJyf9fG,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-04-21T01:52:48.175+0000) > > TImon {{champion:498}} and Pumba {{champion:497}} are right now thanks to Rito's shameless skin selling cash grabs. They both have winrates less than 50% in all ranks, Rakan being around 43-45% and Xayah being around 46%. If you think they're op then you probably just don't have any idea of what to do against them
: No, Xayah and Rakan are Not OP Right Now
If I made any spelling mistakes I apologize, I'm tired and I typed this fast
Rioter Comments
: God forbid a champ be released and not be OP at launch, lol.
> [{quoted}](name=ChaddyFantome,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceaypopJ,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-23T16:12:03.385+0000) > > God forbid a champ be released and not be OP at launch, lol. But he's not even op..
Duskade (NA)
: The Best Tip on Achieving High Elo
I play both but I find that I tend to be more careful and more focused in rankeds. I only play normals when I'm playing with my friends or when I'm practicing someone, or if I don't think my wifi is "behaving" enough for me to risk a ranked.
: Yeah. I said that at the end of the post as part of how to use damage to your advantage. But at the moment, all data is skewed in favor of Rakan due to the general practice of releasing champions overpowered to enhance their sales. Even champions that should have a big advantage against him are simply losing less against him than others instead of winning against him more often than he wins.
> [{quoted}](name=DeceasedL0ved0ne,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceaypopJ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-04-23T14:54:43.815+0000) > > Yeah. I said that at the end of the post as part of how to use damage to your advantage. > But at the moment, all data is skewed in favor of Rakan due to the general practice of releasing champions overpowered to enhance their sales. Even champions that should have a big advantage against him are simply losing less against him than others instead of winning against him more often than he wins. Except he's really not doing all that great right now, with a winrate of 43%. So far every one I've fought except for 1 I've beaten without any problems.
: Because they're always overpowered. ALWAYS. {{champion:498}} is immune to assassins as soon as she hits 6.
> [{quoted}](name=Kiyotakashi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4WEAH0t2,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-04-23T06:00:14.885+0000) > > Because they're always overpowered. ALWAYS. {{champion:498}} is immune to assassins as soon as she hits 6. Except neither of them are overpowered and she isn't "immune to assassins" She has 0 mobility, her ult is on a long cooldown, once she pops it she's incredibly vulnerable by herself. Just get her to use it defensively or if she does use it, steer clear of the feather landing zone and then go in. She has absolutely no way to get out of a fight besides flash and her ult and relies on her team to protect her if she doesn't have those.
: Countering Rakan
The best way to counter him is to use supports and adcs with zone control. {{champion:143}} Gives him a LOT of trouble, and I've found that {{champion:43}} works well against him too. {{champion:51}} Max traps first, place them in lane, he'll think twice. {{champion:12}} Haven't tried him yet but if he goes in and you time it right you should be able to knock him up and just hit him away. {{champion:429}} You might be able to jump out of his knockup with your auto jump thang before he actually hits the knockup, not too sure about this one but I'd assume if you have enough attack speed and know what you're doing you can do it. {{champion:15}} Your shield will be up every time he goes in early seeing how high his cooldowns are. {{champion:45}} Veig support is a thing I see every once in a while. Put your stun around where he is going in. His cooldowns early are very high, so if he goes in and misses then beat the SHIT out of him. Slap him around a bit. Show him what happens if he screws up. Make him cry. He is very mobile but anyone with zone control will give him a rough time.
k wìx (NA)
: I humbly disagree with your statement, the ONLY way to truly improve with a champion is to take them into ranked and just play them a lot. If i've played 25+ games as Rakan over the last week, and you BAN him to stop me from picking him, then i need to pick a champion that I haven't played in a long time - nevermind the fact that now I dislike you as a person, because of your choice - your probably losing your own games at the pick/ban stage by being angry at players choices, which is hilarious when you think about it.
> [{quoted}](name=k wìx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=akfs26G6,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-04-22T23:47:11.403+0000) > > I humbly disagree with your statement, the ONLY way to truly improve with a champion is to take them into ranked and just play them a lot. > > If i've played 25+ games as Rakan over the last week, and you BAN him to stop me from picking him, then i need to pick a champion that I haven't played in a long time - nevermind the fact that now I dislike you as a person, because of your choice - your probably losing your own games at the pick/ban stage by being angry at players choices, which is hilarious when you think about it. Or you could play that game mode which is literally exactly the same but doesn't affect anyone's ranks. Just a thought.
: Name or list a champion with the most boring kit currently
I don't find {{champion:1}} {{champion:20}} {{champion:77}} to be that fun to play
: {{champion:412}}: Fucking first time xayah in **ranked..**
> [{quoted}](name=Tormentula,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YIm4bFdd,comment-id=0007000100010000,timestamp=2017-04-22T15:34:19.590+0000) > > {{champion:412}}: Fucking first time xayah in **ranked..** Ah I missed that, my bad my bad
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