: mid/jg/top LFT or duo, currently silver 2, highest plat 5
: Sure, yasuo is just the top pick for mid, and one of the highest ban rates in the game. Complaining does get things done, so many champions have been changed throughout the years because of community complaints. Yes, I do do something about it, just like most people of the community. I ban yasuo. This game isnt 1v1, so I dont give a shit if malz can beat yasuo in lane.
You can use your logic for every single broken thing Riot has come out with that they were forced to change. "You can never beat release xin, you don't want to learn" "You can never beat release *Insert 30 champions released that got nerfed a bit later" Etc etc. Maybe if Riot didn't have such a piss poor track record with champion balance. It's not the players fault that yasuo gets an insanely overloaded kit. Also, one does not beat wind wall with a majority of champions. Riot specifically made Yasuo to be a hyper carry and wanted a weak early game etc, yet yasuo is a lane bully. Hes broken. Also, yasuo is not high skill cap lmfao. Resourceless, free passive shield for moving around, 100% free spam mobility, 1 skillshot that hes not even required to land because he can hit R off his teammates. Yes, hes high skill cap compared to lets say Annie.
: It is a fucking good example, you clearly have no idea how they work. Malz is an example of a Yasuo counter, how the fuck is that not entirely true? You acting like a complete idiot here, and Yasuo isn't even strong now, yet you still can't beat him. If you can't beat a champion then try to learn their counters. You don't keep playing the shit out of Lux when you lose always to Zed, you learn Lissandra or Zilean for when you need it. If you don't want to try, then you just whine I see how it is. Complaining gets jack shit done, actually doing something about it does.
Sure, yasuo is just the top pick for mid, and one of the highest ban rates in the game. Complaining does get things done, so many champions have been changed throughout the years because of community complaints. Yes, I do do something about it, just like most people of the community. I ban yasuo. This game isnt 1v1, so I dont give a shit if malz can beat yasuo in lane.
: Its called an example dick. Who cares about 1v1? Any Yasuo because they want to win it and have to be able to if they want to do well, Yasuo's entire kit makes him play aggressively, the player has to be able to use it and not throw because of it. Stop raging because you can't beat a champion, and get better at the game.
Not my fault that he has the most overloaded kit in LoL. Don't even try to spin this on me where its my problem/fault when hes one of the top bans out of millions of players. Also just because its an example doesnt mean its a good example.
: I won a game with a trolling yi support with tele who finished 1-13 Your point?
I also won games like that but congrats that is an X-factor / outlier, a statistical anomaly and not the normal game experience.
: lane swap. Skip some farm to help them. Sorry you like to sit in your lane or JG and refuse to help ALLIES in a team game because you " CALLED " a certain position. Youre part of the problem not the solution
Except, enemy bot was super fed, and I cannot roam as Veigar when im up against an enemy kassadin - anti mage. Kass would easily catch me trying to roam and kill me. The problem was an ADC on my team that goes 0/8/1 for the entire game. Why are players this weak and crappy to the point where you have to baby them all game not to feed? Whatever happened to a bit of personal responsibility?
: "Wait, these other 5 players are my teammates? This is a team game? Since when?" - said every complaining "SoloQ" player ever
Theres 5 on 5 in CS, but guess what. A good player can kill a whole team by himself.
: You play at an elo where someone feeding doesn't have too much of an effect. You can still snowball and carry games, do you think it was just luck that I was able to go from silver to diamond? Or maybe it was just that I understand that I can carry games if I play it well, even if I have feeding teammates.
Diamond is like the top 1% of 1 million players. I shouldn't have to be that good just to not have my games be luck based.
: You could y'know, maybe try to snowball and help their lane rather than complaining. This is something that shouldn't be losing you every single ranked game, if it is, then you are just doing nothing to stop it.
You can try to "snowball" all you want. The point is the game is in the hands of your team. Nothing stops your fed teammate from DCing, getting tilted, or just screwing up. This game is super random. I never said I lose every single ranked game, but every loss that is not your fault personally is unacceptable. It means at least half your games are out of your hands Whoever randomly gets the better champs/better players wins. Whoever randomly gets the worse champs/worse players loses. Its all random. Or your team with the better players randomly trolls. Or DCs, or AFKs, or anything else. You lose. Each game is a complete shot in the dark. You could have an awesome game personally but have 4 feeders. You lose. Its beyond ridiculous, so I rather have a new PVP game thats free, fun, and not so random at the outcome.
Rioter Comments
: Hey Riot, im putting support SECONDARY, quit giving it to me 100% of the time.
Eggbread (NA)
: I feel like Dynamic Queue should look for your Primary position for at least 1/2 of the expected time (that time it says is estimated) before switching you over to both Primary and Secondary.
I mean.. give me the option to wait a few extra minutes for me to get my primary role. I wouldn't mind...
Ralanr (NA)
: Except there are people who already enjoy the support role.
Yeah but it must be a minority of people for us to get the issues my thread is addressing. Support is still, by far, the least popular role.
ZenKe (NA)
: There's nothing wrong with the support role. It is unattractive because people enjoy playing roles that they can kill on.
If its unattractive then there lies the problem. I shouldn't get support 100% of the time if im putting it in my secondary.
Leo1024 (NA)
: Secondary support means you're getting support If you fill you're getting support Just queue up for another role if you don't want to support, you'll always get it if you fill or sup secondary, it sucks but it's great for support mains like me because queue times are like 20 seconds
They need to make supporting more attracting because its kinda BS.
Rioter Comments
: Zac flies in on enemy team, hits one person, Yasuo ults and gets blown up immediately afterwards. You have to choose whether to ult now or if you think you can get a better one later. If you can't see any skill requirements and think that Yasuo outclasses other champions massively then you clearly don't understand much. For fuck's sake Malzahar is insane right now and destroys Yasuo, plenty of champions have tools to stomp everyone, they are called carries.
Who cares about 1v1? Oh malz can destroy yasuo in lane, means yasuo is fine. Horrible logic.
: "I'm voting Trump, it's gonna be fun to see what happens" I wish the people who knew what they were saying voted, and these people did not. Obama did well as a president, especially considering the situation he started in and how much Congress resisted every action he took.
Im so sick of sheep perpetuating this huge lie. Look at actions.... do not look at words. Words are cheap. Words are meaningless. Congress can yell all day long about how they're trying to stop Obama, but in reality Congress has fully funded Obama the entire time. Republican establishment is 100% complicit with the democratic establishment.
: Junglers usually like ganking even or strong lanes, because giving an advantage to those lane will enable them to pressure the lane. In Veigar's case, due to his terrible early game ganking him isn't as worth awhile as other mid laners like TF(super easy to gank for) or Leblanc(snowbally).
I mean, with just Q+W+ auto with thunderlords with a cage stun, you would think ganking for veigar would be easy if the jungler had any early game power at all.
: You require skill to get a good ultimate off as Yasuo, anyone can press R on any champion, but timing when to ult is what matters, if you can't hit one skillshot that can be dodged easily then you shouldn't be able to use it in a fight? That's insanely stupid, almost every other champion has easy access to theirs, Yasuo not having somewhat easy accesswould just make him unplayable. You just can't handle the fact that Yasuo takes skill to play well, because you probably got stomped by a Yasuo sometime and got mad because they did it easily and seemingly ulted whenever. Pay attention, wonder why Yasuo isn't an OP pick higher up right now.
Timing? How hard is it.. seriously. Zac flies in on enemy team.. push R. Malphite ults enemy team... push R. Not rocket science. Also, how many ultimates are 1200 range and AOE + CC AND not even a skillshot? The point is.. yasuo gets to use his really strong ultimate for free with a teammate initiation. Takes away from the supposed "skill" hes supposed to require. Yasuo actually has an incredibly high ban rate at plat+, and one of the top bans in the game for all elos. Yasuo has the tools to stomp everyone. He has an overloaded kit, so I dont even take it personally when a Yasuo does well and wins the game. It would be like bragging that you defeated some guy with a pocket knife when you have a sniper rifle. Near endless mobility, windwall, double crit, resourceless, free shield, free crazy armor penetration. Double stat/action passive, double stat/action ultimate. SUPER overloaded kit.
iamblamb (NA)
: I'm a veigar main too, was wondering what the hangup was. I also play jungle alot and if i see a veigar with any kinda of mana on my team the pain train is pulling into mid station. He snowballs so hard and mains know how to play him late game, I literally can't think of anyone I'd rather get kills on or an easier target than someone who's dumb enough to push him. TLDR: When you gank for veigar the first time and it works, do it 10 more times.
I honestly do not understand it. You would think a champion with a stun cage would be easy to gank for.
: Wow, so you're saying its dumb that a champion shouldn't be able to use his ultimate every in a fight if he misses one easy to dodge skillshot? I guess teamwork doesn't fit in a team game.
What? The point is yasuo doesnt need any skill at all to use his ultimate because Riot made it trigger off of other champions. RANGE: 1200 for his ultimate.. most champions require some type of skillshot, or kit setup to land an ultimate from absurd ranges.
: Playing against windwall is the difference between spamming all your abilities in .5 secs, and spacing them out so they aren't blocked
Yes which is extremely huge since team fights are over within seconds. Wind wall breaks the game.
Slythion (NA)
: 4-5min as a top/jg
Draft normals or ranked? Because in draft normals it just took me 10 minutes as Support/fill. I cannot play ranked without a couple more champions unlocked.
: Because all the people who post this stuff are just being salty after losing a match or a few to him. So many people give advice and the anti-{{champion:157}} just say, W is too OP, passive is too OP. If they tried playing Yasuo I swear they would realize how hard it is to actually land a whirlwind tornado. I played around 30 bot matches before even trying to play Yasuo in normals.
Except you dont even have to land a tornado.... The only damn thing about his kit that takes skill and they dumb it down and can just R off of another teammates knockup. Such skill.
: The "Nerf Yasuo Into The Ground" Bandwagon
Yasuo is incredibly OP. Double crit... endless lane mobility with no resources.... not required to land his only skillshot to R people.... windwall blocking 90% of everything in the game with a fire and forget mechanic. And do you realize how many people play Yasuo? I woudlnt be surprised if every other person called Yasuo their main. Everyone has to have an edge and wants to have the machine gun vs people with knives.
Seenan (NA)
: Yasuo requires setup. If he's managing to 4-man ult you on his own, you guys clearly needa watch your positioning. That should not happen unless you guys frantically clumped up in an attempt to chase someone or something. It's the same for if a Nami or whoever managed to ult 4-5 of you, except Nami's hitbox is huge. Let's say...a nami bubble instead.
Um... it just takes Yasuo to hit R a whole screen away if your teammate is a champion that can easily knock people up regardless of positioning. Flash + malphite ultimate + yasuo hitting R. GG you lose. I love how Yasuo isnt required to hit his only "skill" shot. Ez mode and broken champion..
Anonagon (NA)
: He's a melee carry. That's why he has situationally powerful defensive tools. Every melee carry has these kind of abilities.
If hes a melee carry then why does he have such a stupid strong laning phase? Didn't Riot admit that at release? He was supposed to be weak at the start of the game hence his counter play and then become a monster later? Looks to me like yasuo has a super annoying and oppressive laning phase.
: Except there are different types of frustrating. 1. The kit is made in such a way that it's legitimately hard to fight, in which case you would see a rise in play rate in professional play due to them trying to abuse anything and everything they can to get an edge. 2. People simply are annoyed by the kit, even though it only requires mild readjustment to play against, in which case you see massive increase in ban rates in lower elos, but not in professional play
Mild readjustment? Endless lane mobility and wind wall? Wind wall blocks almost everything in the game, so thats a bit more than minor readjustment.
: He has no mana and plays similar to an urf champion, of course he's picked a lot. If anything they did a good job making him Complaints for nerfs aside
Yeah, if they only cared about people playing this champion and not playing against the champion. It sure is a "good job", but of course its easy to super overload a champion and make him OP, so I disagree.
: Quit fussing about Yasuo with 3 threads per day ranting about how they got destroyed, how he is unfair and OP and you'll see his pickrate dropping down. What's driving ppl to play yasuo is the false propaganda of him being OP that your fellow whiners perpetrate since one guy did good with him in one game in pro play.
Yeah right. Hes not OP its just he has the "illusion" of being OP. I guess wind wall negating an entire teams cool downs/autos is just an illusion, or the fact he doesnt even need to land the only skillshot he has because riot allowed him to push R when teammates knock people up. Or how about the double crit passive, with near endless mobility. All illusions. Nah, this champ has the most overloaded kit in all of LoL, and he is notoriously the most complained about champion with a super high pick and ban rate.
: Can we change Yasuos wind wall?
Windwall is the most broken ability in all of LoL, and I guess Riot wants this to be league of Yasuo because of "big plays" so no. Wind wall does not just negate an entire champions kit, but it negates almost every single kit of every champion on your team, and during team fight that is an auto win.
abdul569 (EUW)
: It might be because he's on free week and so everyone wants to try him out in blind.
I did not notice a difference in pick rates. I still saw yasuo an insane amount even before free week.
: > [{quoted}](name=CheezyBoo69,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lrAyLurO,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-09-29T13:23:22.074+0000) > > Play blind pick. I dare you. > > > Every....single....game. Well, you're right, there are random miracles where hes not picked, so I should have said "just about" every single game, but then the next game will have a Yasuo on your team, AND enemy team to make up for that. > > Also, lolking shows him the #1 picked mid lane in the game. Your just bad LOL Yasuo is ez champ
As if I take advice from some guy who doesn't know the difference between your and you're. And yes, yasuo is an "ez" champ. Push windwall to auto win team fights, and hit R when some other teammate knocks people up. Pretty easy. Not to mention being able to mindlessly spam cost-less mobility. Much difficult.
Slythion (NA)
: blind pick is a joke lol, how can you use anything from *that* mode as actual data xD
Well, lets see. 10-15 minute draft queues? Also, the only reason hes not picked in draft is because people ban him.
Ralanr (NA)
: I mainly play blind. He isn't always picked. To be honest I'd rather have him in mid than top. Top lane Yasuo is annoying because you can't really CS from a distance with most top laners if you end up fucking up against Yasuo.
I just played an account all the way to 30, and ive seen yasuo BY FAR more than any other champion in the entire game. BY FAR And his statistics back up the fact that hes picked all the damn time.
: Wind wall is a strong spell and it has a a cooldown so just one windwall may turn around a single fight but it cant win a game you can easily play around it or you can JUST WAIT FOR IT TO END
Your team initiates, windwall goes up. What do you do? Run and get aced? Or proceed to keep fighting and be aced because your whole teams spells and autos got blocked?
Junkο (EUNE)
: I guess Tryndamere and Kayle are completely broken then. I mean they are completely invincible with no way to deal with their ultimates because they have perfect mechanics and dodging skills so it is impossible to bait them or CC them during it, we are just sitting ducks that can't do anything else but stand still as they mow us down and get that easy 1v5 pentakill. Oh no wait. That's not how it works.
Apples and jackhammers. Tryndamere ult affects tryndamere. Kayles ult affects one single person, and you can still CC them thru ult. Are you even trying?
Ralanr (NA)
: Uhh...no he isn't. He's not picked every game.
Play blind pick. I dare you. Every....single....game. Well, you're right, there are random miracles where hes not picked, so I should have said "just about" every single game, but then the next game will have a Yasuo on your team, AND enemy team to make up for that. Also, lolking shows him the #1 picked mid lane in the game.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=CheezyBoo69,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fWMJZTwB,comment-id=000900030000,timestamp=2016-09-27T21:03:38.303+0000) > > Uhh no.. not even close. Yasuos windwall would be like a team wide blind that works on abilities/ultimates. Walk away. nobody is forcing you to stand there attacking the windwall
Enemy tank engages on your team, lets all walk away because Yasuo threw a wind wall up. Im sure you'll win that team fight...
: > [{quoted}](name=CheezyBoo69,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fWMJZTwB,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-09-27T08:21:40.187+0000) > > You have to ban yasuo, hes pretty much the most overloaded kit in LoL. > > > He could be 0/100000/0 and windwall will still win the game. Just don't be stupid and use all of your projectiles while his ww is off cooldown
Except, yasuos team gets to fully dump all their important spells in the first few seconds of a fight which gives yasuos team a super huge advantage because team fights only last a few seconds. Its not "stupid" its called Riot made yasuo too strong which is easy to see. How long has this guy been a problem in LoL? YEARS now? Constantly pick/ban, constantly being changed.
: The term/definition has no place in the argument of what were talking about. _the tendency to seek distraction and relief from unpleasant realities, especially by seeking entertainment or engaging in fantasy._ What does this have to do with discussing the balance of Yasuo's Wind Wall?
Braum still gets CC'd, damage still goes through shield. Braum has to position himself and manually intercept. Thats the main thing Braum does as well, so his whole kit is devoted to blocking. Yasuo blocks everything.. yasuo pushes a button without any futher interaction. Yasuo is a full fledged champion with just a broken team projectile block thrown in. Not even comparable. Everyone and their mother picks yasuo, or bans him. Can you say this about Braum? Say what you want, but your champion, Yasuo, will continue to be banned in ranked because hes too OP, and your little "learn to deal with it" doesnt work in a game thats constantly needing rebalanced. I guess we should have just stuck with release xin, and far more other examples, right? Also.. wtf.. "your kind". What are you an alien? Condescending prick. Also, the community agrees with me anyway since Yasuo has such a high ban rate, and hes one of the most complained about champions in the game. So its more like "your kind" which is mostly the Yasuo abusers.
: > [{quoted}](name=CheezyBoo69,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fWMJZTwB,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-09-27T08:21:40.187+0000) > > You have to ban yasuo, hes pretty much the most overloaded kit in LoL. > > > He could be 0/100000/0 and windwall will still win the game. Guess Teemo's broken too and u have to ban him, because he can be 0/100000/0 and blind a 99999999/0/0 ADC and win
Uhh no.. not even close. Yasuos windwall would be like a team wide blind that works on abilities/ultimates.
Junkο (EUNE)
: >"Bait it out" - Requires the yasuo to be stupid enough to waste the wall. Has nothing to do with you, but the person playing yasuo. Or you to be smart enough to attempt to attack Yasuo when he is out of position,even a thing as simple as Morg Q while everyone else is moving towards him will work, which causes him to waste windwall in exhcange for his life, which means your teams abilities are now free to use. >"Walk around it" - Talk about an auto loss. While your team is busy "walking around" a windwall, thats a lot of wasted time they're not attacking. Can you say ACE? You should be moving between every AA, especially as ranged anyway, so idk what's so problematic here. >"Hold onto your spells until he uses it" - Yet the enemy team can just drop all their spells instantly and team fights usually last a few seconds. Can you say ACE? Except this can actually work. If a skrimish starts with Yasuo there he will most likely throw out a Windwall to isolate the fight (leaving the ones fighting him free to use their spells), or throw it in front of the ones he is attacking since most don't have good point blank range ability reactions (which means you can just run through it after and go back to rest of your team and Winwall is down now.
"_Or you to be smart enough to attempt to attack Yasuo when he is out of position,even a thing as simple as Morg Q while everyone else is moving towards him will work, which causes him to waste windwall in exhcange for his life, which means your teams abilities are now free to use._ " **So we're assuming Yasuo cannot dodge anything, and Yasuo will be out of position. That is a lot to assume. ** "_You should be moving between every AA, especially as ranged anyway, so idk what's so problematic here._" **Because as a mage, and even ADC, you cannot even begin attacking until you walk around the angle of the windwall. Which is a lot of time in such short team fights, so that is what's problematic. ** "_ Except this can actually work. If a skrimish starts with Yasuo there he will most likely throw out a Windwall to isolate the fight (leaving the ones fighting him free to use their spells), or throw it in front of the ones he is attacking since most don't have good point blank range ability reactions (which means you can just run through it after and go back to rest of your team and Winwall is down now._" **See this is the problem I have. Everything is in the Yasuo's hands. Everything depends on him not using Wind Wall intelligently. Why does this one champion have so much extreme power and control over team fights, and not to mention this is just ONE ability from his we are talking about. But yes, the only way to really get around Wind Wall is to hope Yasuo uses it pre-maturely, and the non Yasuo team has to run away to re-engage. That is just too much team work required for Yasuo pushing W**
Vistha Kai (EUNE)
: I'd like to encourage you to research what _"escapism"_ stands for.
The term/definition has no place in the argument of what were talking about. _the tendency to seek distraction and relief from unpleasant realities, especially by seeking entertainment or engaging in fantasy._ What does this have to do with discussing the balance of Yasuo's Wind Wall?
Flaherty (NA)
: Malphite initiates, hits yas with the ult which gives malph's team enough time to position in a way to either not have all their abilities get blocked by yas if he's still alive. Of course yas's wall will fuck up your team if they are all ranged and decide to stand all on top of each other and keep using abilities in front of the windwall, but if your team isn't garbage that's pretty easy to prevent. Just like with life you have to stop focusing on how everything can go wrong and figure out a way to make things go right.
Usually both of your carries are ranged, so simply by negating the Mid, and ADC is incredibly huge. You dont have to stand on top of each other, and wind wall is large enough to block half a lane, or so from a direction. Its not just me "focusing on things that can go wrong" its called preparation/planning and knowing how team fights work from personal experience playing this game over the years. Well, the way to make things go right is to ban Yasuo which the community does.
: Unless you are master or above team fights last more than a few seconds. Positioning is a big part, if you are only initiating teammates in a 2D line, then i see your point. Otherwise its not hard to work around it, especially with the addition of more movement items like protobelt. If you are in a situation where you have to attack from head on, in some cases you can walk at him and stop abruptly to fake a cast.
Eh... I dont know, in my experience at gold level team fights are determined very quickly for the most part. Also I dont know if "walking at him" is a good idea. when you're ranged champion the last thing you want to do is "walk at him" or even walk towards the enemy because you're most likely squishy.
Vistha Kai (EUNE)
: Escapism isn't adaptation.
Um, yes it is. It's how life works. If something becomes a problem in society, laws are passed to ban it. Yasuo is a problem in this game, so the community bans it. Thats how life works.
Vistha Kai (EUNE)
: To get anywhere I'd first have to teach you how life works. Because life adapts. If you see the game only as _"throw everything at them at once and hope it works"_, then I really don't have much to discuss with you.
We did adapt. We ban Yasuo. Except the enemy gets to "throw everything at us at once", so already the team who gets to do that has a HUGE advantage. Team fights last mere seconds.
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