Uvec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Chibi Ðeviljho,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=af5xNOus,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-08-31T18:27:33.831+0000) > > Unpopular opinion: Learn a counter pick and harvest elo from lesser beings. {{sticker:sg-poppy}} Yeah god forbid you play the game for enjoyment and the mettle of skill, lest be a slave for imaginary points.
That wasn't a coherent point ^^;> I think you meant being a meta-slave, but being able to play multiple champions at a proficient level is an indicator of skill!
FSRER (EUNE)
: Alright, let's see Riven counters: {{champion:57}} {{champion:58}} and those are her only heavy counters while literally every other champion has above 5 champions being their heavy counters on their class.
That is objectively not true! Many champions can go toe to toe with riven, and you're forgetting Garen and Poppy and Olaf and Vayne and. . . literally every ranged champion that can deny her engage! The salt has clouded your vision, comrade :)
KABLUMP (NA)
: do the champions get buffed because they sell the most skins or do they sell the most skins because they always get buffed?
They sell the most skins because they're played the most. Fun champs that also happen to be sexy females usually get more skins than say, pre-rework urgot.
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: Could you not, Riot?
Unpopular opinion: Learn a counter pick and harvest elo from lesser beings. {{sticker:sg-poppy}}
: Incorrect. Criticism works. Do your research. > A Cal Berkeley study of more than 300 speeches across 23 high school and college basketball teams measured halftime speeches across these characteristics. The positive approach, pleased, relaxed, inspired, excited to the more critical approach, disgusted, angry, frustrated and afraid. Which do you think resulted in improved second-half performances? It's wasn’t the warm and fluffy stuff. The more negative and critical speeches consistently corresponded with better outcomes. If the speech turned angry, there was a connection to player performance... [https://wiod.iheart.com/content/2019-08-20-the-best-coaches-are-among-the-harshest-coaches/](https://wiod.iheart.com/content/2019-08-20-the-best-coaches-are-among-the-harshest-coaches/) You do not get to infringe my right to free speech, and you have no right to worry about my delivery. The game is fast paced and competitive and I have every right to shorten what I have to say to get the point across, even if your ego doesn't like it. I am there to play the game, not cater to your ego. And you are there to play the game, not "build relationships". So get that idea out of your head. You need to observe Korean teams and Korean solo queue. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. They criticize all the time. Americans are overly-sensitive babies with guns. You want to know why Korea does better than us? It's because they aren't afraid to criticize and be criticized. I used to be very patient and very constructive in criticism. This does not last and cannot last. Sugar coating every sentence is a waste of time. I'm never going to see you again in game, with any luck, so you deserve the bare minimum of my attention to fix your stupidity long enough to win the game. There is a famous quote: > You will continue to suffer if you have an emotional reaction to everything that is said to you. True power is sitting back and observing things with logic. True power is restraint. If words control you that means everyone else can control you. Breathe and allow things to pass. This quote is often [mis]attributed to Warren Buffett. The point of the quote is that if you can't mentally suppress your emotional response to criticism, that is YOUR problem, not the other person's.
Riot has a constitutional right to bar you from their product for little or no reason at all. This isn't a free speech issue.
: This is NOT an opinion. This is THE social contract that ALL netizens agree to in a faceless impersonal transient online interaction! As I told another group: > The basic social contract in Lol is to play the game to the best of your ability, which includes learning from and listening to those with criticisms. I shouldn't have to be fighting my allies to get them to stop doing stupidly risky things (as opposed to calculated risk management). Those who don't adhere to this generate the atmosphere that leads to """toxicity""" (gotta put that in 3 quotes bc of how bullshit the term is; don't want it infecting the rest of the sentence). And RIOT complicates this further by failing to implement a successful matchmaking system. As to your other point: > It's also not an opinion shared by Riot, seeing as how they ban for both speech and in-game actions like feeding. RIOT does not ban. Remember, they use an automated system that evaluates "truth" based on statistics. Your argument fails on this point, as well. If enough incompetent people "believe" they are reporting something offensive, the system uncritically accepts this as truth, when people are anything but neutral and balanced judges, particularly since they were emotionally involved in the environment that caused the problem. You cannot trust these people to generate a true evaluation of the situation. You don't see the US justice system letting accusers vote to throw someone on death row. There is no justice on the RIFT, only a tyranny of the majority. The system allows people in one single game to automatically generate a punishment, even if they were all wrong to report a user. If you get ganged up on by a group of incompetent butt-hurt people looking for a scapegoat, and you've done nothing wrong, you have zero options for redressing this wrongheaded reporting. And the majority is not even a correctly-calculated majority. The fact that a single game causes a ban is very very bad statistical evaluation practice. NOBODY should get a ban because of a simple majority or 2/3 majority vote from a SINGLE game. But this is exactly what happens. When you have this single point of data creating a judgment this is called a *sample bias* and results in *aliased* result. Any statistician can see that RIOT's system is statistically invalid.
I'd like to see your evidence. Anecdotally, I've noticed to receive a notification that a player has been punished they have to be exceptionally abusive, so I don't see what your saying manifest itself in any realm other than theoretical.
: Did you know....
It's a verb. AKA, an action. https://gyazo.com/18ccb6be0e1163f511ba3471c4b77e84
: "gg ez" is THE most offensive thing you can say in this game.
> [{quoted}](name=Mal the Red,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ZMBorq1j,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-25T20:17:47.795+0000) > > Change my mind. Your claim that "gg ez" is de facto the universally most offensive thing I can say is incorrect, because this implies it's offensive to the most number of people. I feel fairly confident in my assumption that there are other words or phrases that more people find offensive. Your statement should read, "'gg ez' is THE most offensive thing you can say, [to me], in this game." From there we can conclude that you are likely correct. It's unlikely that you know yourself perfectly, but you've likely a better understanding of what upsets you than us, so it's unlikely anyone will change your mind.
: I enjoyed star guardian more than the Odyssey event
> [{quoted}](name=WyvernEgg,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=JGtTpjRF,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-08-26T20:09:22.408+0000) > > I enjoyed star guardian more than the Odyssey event I found you!
Warix3 (EUW)
: Stop mixing tft ranks with league ranks
I largely agree except for moving it out of the client. It's success is largely attributed to its accessibility. I think the best solution is to just have TFT rank armor show up in TFT lobbys and no where else.
: Fiora is random getting 3.0 attack speed.
blade master works by maxing out attack speed temporarily.
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: Lol the calling of any twig that bends over thicc. Might as well burn the word at that point
She is objectively and definitively thicc due to hip to stomach ratio.
: Fixed it
nice try rito
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Voldymort (EUNE)
: Actually the logic is "If the game ended and you dont like these players, why arent you reporting them and going on your merry way?"
Because what other people say to you lingers. Don't give me this bull shit that everyone's immune to harrassment, and that it doesn't effect people. It does. You can't be told that you're a horrible, or garbage, or worse every fucking game before your subconscous starts believing it, or at least feels a level of depression from it. Yeah, one or two harrassing comments here and there doesn't bother me at all, but it's every game, and the only way to make it stop is to quit playing. Reports do _nothing_. I will never see those players again. Every single person I've ever reported could be permabanned and my exeriance would still be the same going forward. Nothing but undeserved harrassment and abuse. I just want people to shut the hell up and play the game,but the insist on blaming every single mistake on someone else, or looking for someone elses mistakes to distract from their own. But that blame and harrassment gets to people after a while. It gets to me after a while.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: >Removing the tribunal was the biggest mistake Riot's ever made. the tribunal was prone to providing false positives and was slow af in giving out punishments, be they deserved or not. there were cases that would take 6 months or more for a punihment to happen >All you have to do now to avoid punishment is change avoid saying phrases like "kys". if someone is trying to be sneaky about it, a ticket will prompt a manual review and it doesn't even take long to submit one. i usually do them while the game is loading >It's still perfectly fine to say "You're so terrible" or to spam ping death timers, or to spam ping question marks. you can mutes pings, chat, and emotes. i'm pretty sure this includes deathtimers but i've never needed to mute anyone since i can usually tune out chat drama and focus on the game. so i'm not certain if those are included
What I hate about "just mute and pretend the problem doesn't exist", aside from the obvious issues, is that for some reason riot thinks I want to unmute them at the end of the game, so this happens. https://gyazo.com/6ee71eb1e14941457fb979a68a58d587
: Xanax or Alprazolam is used to treat anxiety and panic. He did not tell you to kys. He told you to calm down.
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Gabidzus (EUNE)
: Level up capsules after 14 days ban?
Good question, I'm not sure. You -should- since level up capsules are the equivalent of IP before the change, but Riot really likes to ream punished players as many ways as they legally can, so who knows :3c
: Bethesda has fallen, and now Blizzard also has fallen
It's just a difficult time for game companies for various reasons, most of which are political or financial, and they're struggling to balance all of their resources. Riot has the luxury of not being pressured to release new games, so they're less effected, however you can see some of the effects rocking their boat, so to speak. For example, their twitter apology, diversity push, and even in-game with Neeko being LGBT and expressing that in several quotes.
: Crap, you're right. I'll miss that. I remember just going through all of the death animations to find what was the most brutal. A friend and I believed it was Tryndamere's for the longest time.
Old irelia's was pretty rough. Her blades would turn on her, impaling her 3 times.
: Honor other players. If you're looking for reasons to honor other players, you'll be less focused on the negative bits. Not to mention if everyone on the team honors somoene, each player will get a small amount of bonus honor.
It's rare that I'm focused on negative stuff. I always honor someone that's not in my pre-made. Even if they didn't do anything to earn it, I'm still incentivized to honor them so I do anyway.
Danksley (NA)
: Sever transfer. You land on the new server at honor 2.
I've heard about this but haven't verified it. I -really- don't want to because it feels like I'd be exploiting the system but the system is so oppressive it's certainly swaying my opinion.
Dat Kat (EUW)
: Not be a prick.
Rioter Comments
: If you think I will dig through google regarding a change in the punishment system that was implemented in 2015, just because a random guy on the internet can't be bothered to do it himself and posts a single word with an attached question mark instead, you are mistaken. Google for "2015 chat restriction change" and sift through the results yourself.
: Because they tried permanent chat restrictions, and found out that these resulted in a large increase in non-chat-related trolling, which was harder to detect and more damaging to gameplay. As a result, if you cannot behave well enough to be trusted with chat, Riot doesn't trust you with the game, period. As for why flaming is punishable: the mute button exists as a shield to prevent exposure to toxicity, not as a tool to enable it. The responsibility is still on the rulebreaker to not break the rules, not on the victim of their toxicity to mute (although they should do that as well).
I strongly suspect that many individuals are toxic due to an exposure to toxisity, and that the phycological effect has already taken place before muting can happen.
: You won't get a logical and reasoning response from the boards, everyone here thinks that permanently banning someone for being toxic in chat is effective, when in reality, it just makes the permanently banned player buy level 30 accounts and reclimb the ladder (therefore ruining the mmr system for the people in lower elos) They don't take this into consideration but oh well
: >If your offense is chat related why aren't you simply muted? Because that has been tried in the past. And as it turned out, people who want to be toxic in chat, but no longer can, turn to other ways to ruin their teams game (inting, afk, trolling, etc.).
: See, I find nothing wrong with this... we all cant be marry sunshine and there are games that tick us off. Sometimes we are just in a bad mood. For fucks sake we are only human. Not all of the reports that we see in the boards are overbearing but I don't think that this one should have been punishable imo. Yes yes we agreed to the tos but this is off the damn rails. I would send a support ticket and see what you come up with, maybe they will be kind and understand that you got irritated.
Actually, I was in tears due to chronic depression. That won't matter. If you aren't overly positive all the time you're scum and should be put down in the eyes of this community.
Aneirin (OCE)
: > Just reporting the overbearing nature of league punishments these days, not interested in any "advice" from this board In other words, you know you were toxic and don't want anyone to point it out?
This boards idea of "constructive criticism" is verbally ostracizing anyone for saying anything that may or may not be taken as anything other than overtly positive.
: >Chibi Ðeviljho: jungler quality so bad this season. Pretty much became argumentative after this point. I prefer having teammates who don't consistently argue and complain, which is an apt way to describe a majority of this chat log.
In response to, "ur 0/5 // i dont gank // losing lanes. I only gank winning lanes"
Rioter Comments
: The times are given in PST, which is 3 hours later than Eastern Time.
That would still be 6:59
: Quite honestly I don't care what you think of me or if you take me seriously, what you do and think is irrelevant to me. And you're right, I won't be talking to you how you want me to. That's because of everything you said to your teammates and much like the system I don't dispute who started what, it's how you respond to it is how I come to a conclusion and how I state what needed to be said. You're no victim and you weren't in no unique situation. You'll be treated as you treat others. I state what I need to state, not to comfort the toxicity, not to hear their side, or empathize toxicity, but point it out and show what they deserved and how they deserved it. I've met plenty and empathized a lot of players with understandable situations. Mistakable errors and unaware baits at low level players. You, however, you show no empathy or self-control, so you don't deserve to sympathize. I respect players who respect the ToU and knows when to mute while playing the game with sportsmanship. Your "ape" insults, along with "retard" and "Trash" insult. You are part of that community you called "disgusting". I don't care about your situation, regardless of it, you could have handled it better. My statement stands. I suggest you not say what you posted here in your future games. Because you will receive your last penalty fast with that attitude regardless what anyone said here. What you do with that advice, I don't care. With that said, take it as you will and do what you will. I am ending this discussion because I have nothing else I'd want to say to you. I said what was needed and that is the end of it. Learn from this penalty. Period. Good day sir.
You sir, are fake news. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: There is no such thing as defensive insulting.
Yeah, there is. It's very self apparent too. It's league players specifically that think otherwise.
: That had nothing to do with seeing the punished as “lesser beings”, and everything to do with the fact most of us wish the toxic types that infest this game would go play something else.
You can't refer to another person as an infestation and still insist you see them as equals. It's literally calling them pesky insects.
: Nah. They got rid of report weight when the ifs came out, at least for verbal cases.
I learn more about what should be general knowledge every day C:
Eybdoog (NA)
: ***
Hey man I'm workin' hard on that climb. You could at least pretend it takes skill xD
: > [{quoted}](name=TheLeviathanAxe,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OBMAskOU,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-06-06T18:43:13.318+0000) > > This guy knows what's up. I feel like this post will get downvoted from the majority of the softies who love seeing peoples hard work go down the drain cause they defended themselves once or twice against 4 other people 'banding' together to find an excuse for the loss then reporting it. > Focus on this part. You claim people defend themselves and get banned. Then later, you say it is easier to mute than to report. If the person who was "defending" themselves muted the other players instead of retaliating; they wouldn't be banned.
I believe he's saying that you should be able to mute or defend yourself, and so should the other person, and that reporting should be reserved for individuals who compromise the integrity of the game. Personally, I agree with TheLeviathanAxe.
Risen29 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Black Gay Guy,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OBMAskOU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-06T09:36:23.586+0000) > > They expect you to mute and report Toxic players not respond to them. That would be easier to do if they actually did anything constructive with your reports. I have not seen a notice of a player getting punished in many months, but I have reported plenty of extremely abusive or griefing players who deserved punishment. Ive seen people on this forum get permabanned or banned for way less than what I report people for. Its easy to feel like the only punishment that person will get is the one you dish out to them when Riot is asleep at the wheel letting a worthless AI police things for them.
I think your report is worth less and less the more you report. Try holding onto reports for only the most abusive of cases! Also, from my experience, getting someone penalized doesn't feel good after a few minutes. I think of people like OP and how they just get a little carried away and before they know it they're going through what he's feeling, then I feel terrible about it.
: It was fun Riot.
Hey, really sorry to hear about your relationship, I can't help with that, but I do have good news about the work you put into your account! The work isn't actually lost, what you were working on wasn't some silly progression bar like an MMO, but rather your own skill, which Riot can't take away from you :) You worked hard getting better at the game, and that skill is still with you! So make a new account, add your best buddies, and hit the rift like always champ; oh and mute the guy next time ;D PS: Really, you should consider writing, your use of imagery is perfect. I particularly enjoyed this line, "Talking to support was like talking to person who knew they were gonna leave you, they just showed face to ease the sadness of you knowing that everything you worked and spent time on was going to be thrown down the drain." As someone who went through that many times, it really tugged on the heart strings.
Kriifrux (OCE)
: not surprised you got banned games like these happens but you can't just make it worse for everyone else
Thank you for your thoughts. I was suspended, and I didn't make the game worse for anyone. The only people I spoke negatively towards was zed by calling him an ape as he was assisting the enemy team via opening mid, and velkoz in the post game lobby, at which point the game was already over, and he had personally and single handedly ruined the game for everyone. I was suspended for what Riot considers "hate speech", not for not playing to win or being abusive in-game.
: Just to be clear, they only got a 14-day ban. It's not like they're gone yet, they still have the opportunity to improve and avoid a permaban. Actually them coming here with this post is exactly what they should have done. "I got 14-day banned, I don't want to get permabanned like another poster I saw, so what do I need to do to not get punished again." You may feel like you're just giving it to them plain, but IMO it's more pointed and combative than just plain. You can't be so harsh about things and expect them to listen or understand you. When you put people on the defensive like that they stop listening.
Just for clarity Halcyon, I get penalized for my logs about once per year by the IFS, and it's usually one game on the log. Considering I play thousands of games per year, to have a 1-3 bad ones is still a toxicity rate of 0.1% or 50 times lower than the general population, which is 5%. My issue is that I have no aversion to words Riot has deemed "hate speech", which Riot handles differently. I am rather certain that I would not have even received a chat restriction if that single line failed to send. Personally, I think it's silly to conflate a single word regardless of context, use, or intent with a monologue of hateful, discriminatory rhetoric, but hey, not my call.
: Yes, we have to on that. But keep doing what you're doing, I'll keep from telling you're wrong because I disagree with your tactic. I shouldn't have done that in the first place. Apologies on my part there. See you around and good luck out there.
Zombie, you remind me of the old testament. "If thou even accidentally think of saying a word that isn't strictly positive as perceived by everyone then thou must sacrifice 3 of your best lambs or face eternity in hellfire!" Joking aside, you're clearly too extreme suggesting that players should be permabanned for any and all statements that aren't strictly positive or neutral. I feel like you see yourself as a warrior of light, defending the helpless. Realize, I've gone 9 months without as much as a chat restriction, playing roughly 6-8 games per day, and the sole person I'm "abusive too" I was only "abusive" AFTER they flamed me for 20-40 minutes and intentionally ruined the game for the other 8 members, AND continued being abusive in post game lobby. If you want me to take what you're saying seriously, you're going to have to stop talking to me like I've a long history of abusing my teammates or over-reacting. I doubt you'll do that, but there it is.
: What I gathered from this was "I didn't know I could get in trouble for being mean in the after game screen, so I waited until then to be mean and got in trouble anyways."
No, I waited until the end of a game to respond to an extremely toxic flamer who intentionally ruined the game for everyone. I do not consider that to be "being mean." as "mean" implies I was rude without provocation. Something more appropriate would be, "I didn't know riot cared if you talked back to flamers after the game was over, so I waited until then to talk back to flamers and got in trouble anyways"
: I don't mean to be terribly rude here but: >It's to humbly state that I did not know riot cared what we said after the game Why would you go out of your way to decide when it's okay to be nice and when it's okay to be a jerk ingame? Just don't ever be a jerk, and it's not something you ever have to think about.
Your question isn't rude, but a bit naive. Being misinformed isn't "going out of my way" Also I wasn't being a jerk. I was being defencive. If you verbally abused me for 30 minutes and I defencively refer to you as an ape, I'm not being a jerk.
: >It feels like a large percentage of forum users talk to players who are currently suspended as lesser beings. There's a three part reason for this. Part of the reason for this is because the people who frequent this board have heard *every single excuse* a million times. * But context! * But they started it! * But I was "defending myself"! * But I was playing with a friend who knew I didn't mean it that way! and so on, when literally every bit of this is covered under the dual principles of the [summoner's code](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/) and the saying "don't be a dick". Part of the reason is that the ingame systems for toxicity are wholly unsatisfying and opaque, and so people come here (including myself in this) to see the system actually working and revel a bit in the Demacian JUSTICE! of seeing someone who acted like that troll last game getting their comeuppance. And the final reason is the frequency with which people lie on these boards. Even the most socially ignorant person in the world knows you don't call people slurs in mixed company, and so there's this pre-existing presumption of bad faith simply because bad faith (and wanting to argue, rather than learn) is a lot more common here than the opposite. I'd say the breakdown in punishment posts is about 98% "I got punished, I know why, I just want to vent/gloat/argue about it", 1.9% "I got punished, I have no idea why", 0.1% "I got punished, and it was actually unjust"
I'm talking about individuals who say things like, "We should see if we can get this increased to a permaban instead @riot"
: > [{quoted}](name=Chibi Ðeviljho,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uA7EEp0P,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-06T09:27:04.950+0000) > > I don't know why you think that I think I'm being mistreaded by Riot games. I don't. In fact, in the OP I explicitly thanked them for not being too strict with the punishment. I think you're conflating, "Don't talk to me like I'm inferior just because the terminology that I project as offensive is socially unacceptable and yours is socially acceptable for the time being" If that's the hill you want to die on, okay.
I found your diction to be aggressive, dismissive, and condescending.
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