: We want Answers, Riot Games
I'd assume because of the multinational nature of Worlds, and the wide variety of languages and alphabets involved, having tickets registered to specific names could be an issue due to translation and such. Unfortunately ticket reselling and bots are a pain to combat. The constant botting in Twisted Treeline after years highlights how much of a challenge policing the internet is.
: > [{quoted}](name=ChompyWulf,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=zWWxhIxW,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-09-18T22:23:41.951+0000) > > https://esportsflag.com/japan > > I'll trust multiple websites before believing anything a faceless nobody claims. Your singular "multiple website" is talking about western esports and which Japanese players compete in which games. I play a strictly Japanese game that doesn't fall under the official designation of an "esport". We don't have an "LCS" or "MLG" organization for most of the games we play. Like any Japanese game played for money, it simply considered to be a game like any other. It just happens to bring in a lot of income, which is given to players as a reward for drawing more players in through broadcast games. Why would you expect such a thing to appear on foreign websites? Just as our mobage websites don't mention Clash of Clans, I wouldn't expect an English language esports website to cover Tsukiten.
Your continued insistence in spite of several articles detailing the struggles of Esports in Japan doesn't help. You offer no links and from everything I've read there is NO way a developer/publisher can offer the jackpots you claim. Stinks more and more like illegal money. I'm wondering if you will have to cut off your pinkie if you gave any real info or proof to support your brags.
: > [{quoted}](name=ChompyWulf,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=zWWxhIxW,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-18T03:40:27.351+0000) > > I normally don't shy away from any chance to rail against the extreme profiteering of Riot. For a company with ONE game still after ten years, a large company with multiple campuses produces content at a relative crawl, neglecting some champions while others routinely get spotlight treatment, and still creates and reworks champions to be a balance nightmare. Add in a LOT of teams in LoL esports failed because Riot had no profit sharing and the team icon income was laughable. Riot could be a lot better for the money they make. > > That said, there are issues here. > > First, no, lesser known athletes in traditional sports do NOT made hundreds of millions. The NFL league minimum pay is 125,000 last I knew. The best "lesser known" athletes would at best be on par with Faker's yearly income. > > Second, a simple Google search shows no game you name. None. Nada. Autocorrect wants a letter changed. Top result then is a Filipino company and nothing for a game. Tsukiten does not exist. > > Third, if this game is that hard to find, I don't believe for one moment it brings in that much money. For it to make the kind of sums you say, it would have to be easily found even through Google's infamously spotty translation tech. For one thing, it's a contraction. For another thing, you need to search in Japanese. I'd show you the actual name in Japanese but I've been warned twice for putting Japanese into my NA posts in the past. I will, however, give you the roman characters if you want to try and convert them to the proper Japanese: 「 gesshoku no rokuri no kazoku ten 」If it's that important to you, that _should_ eventually get you where you going. Though Japanese is odd in that not everything is written in kanji, and there isn't any one accepted way to write a specific word for all its different meanings, so it'll... be challenging, unfortunately. I wish I could give you more, but it's not worth getting a boards ban over, considering I don't really care whether a random stranger believes me or not. > Finally, I actually just read an article today about Japanese Street Fighter pro Momochi Yusuke and his stand against Japanese laws which treat professional gaming as gambling and heavily limit the prize money that can be earned. Since only last year did an organization begin licensing players as official professionals so they can earn their full prizes, this goes COMPLETELY against everything you have claimed. Reading a little deeper, Japan has laws limiting the prize pools possible and the unreliable way around that is for sponsors to fill the pool and that can make consistent large numbers unlikely. You're talking about fighter tournaments. The legislation on that is its own thing, because fighting games like Tekken and Street Fighter were their own big thing for a while, and there's not a lot of regulation that goes into the actual gameplay, by necessity. A very skilled player can lose to a less experienced player simply by spamming or luck, as Kusoru showed when he set out to deliberately mess with Western tournament play by having fun with a couple of very specific moves. Games like Tsukiten are more rigidly regulated on the gameplay side, providing a more even playing field, which affords them greater freedom. Additionally, Tsukiten's prize pool is primarily provided by Senku, which as a private company has the right to provide "sweepstakes" rewards to users however they see fit. It's similar to the way a company can give out a free console to the first 1,000 subscribers, or the way mobile games can provide anniversary bonuses worth thousands of yen to those who climb the top of a competitive ladder. Technically speaking, pro Tsukiten players aren't even "pros". We're not licensed by any specific team, we're not part of a league, our teams aren't even rigid. We're just players that group together from year to year into squads and aim for top prizes. That was part of the point of my post; that some of our games have this system which allows players to thrive, while Riot insists on rigidly structuring its league such that players are forced to give up cuts of their winnings to third parties. As an extra step, Senku makes clear to players in their user agreement that any income generated from ingame purchases, subscription fees, viewership fees, etc. may be used to generate prize pools for tournament play. Any funds provided by Senku itself that come from such sources - which is the vast majority of its earnings - are thus free of gambling regulation, as private citizens have the right to give their money to whatever endeavor they deem worthy. Technically speaking, most of the prize money is coming from other players, with their express consent. Legally, it's no different than a few million people each donating 1,000円 to a common cause. It just happens that Senku awards this money to players who win tournaments and excel at their game. I appreciate that you researched this before weighing in, but with respect, please do not assume that a couple of foreign language articles can explain the depths of another country's law. I don't expect to know anything about American law just because of what little I hear in our media. You should probably not expect to get the full picture on Japan's state from yours, either.
https://esportsflag.com/japan I'll trust multiple websites before believing anything a faceless nobody claims.
: I make more money than NA pros without a salary or long-term sponsorship.
I normally don't shy away from any chance to rail against the extreme profiteering of Riot. For a company with ONE game still after ten years, a large company with multiple campuses produces content at a relative crawl, neglecting some champions while others routinely get spotlight treatment, and still creates and reworks champions to be a balance nightmare. Add in a LOT of teams in LoL esports failed because Riot had no profit sharing and the team icon income was laughable. Riot could be a lot better for the money they make. That said, there are issues here. First, no, lesser known athletes in traditional sports do NOT made hundreds of millions. The NFL league minimum pay is 125,000 last I knew. The best "lesser known" athletes would at best be on par with Faker's yearly income. Second, a simple Google search shows no game you name. None. Nada. Autocorrect wants a letter changed. Top result then is a Filipino company and nothing for a game. Tsukiten does not exist. Third, if this game is that hard to find, I don't believe for one moment it brings in that much money. For it to make the kind of sums you say, it would have to be easily found even through Google's infamously spotty translation tech. Finally, I actually just read an article today about Japanese Street Fighter pro Momochi Yusuke and his stand against Japanese laws which treat professional gaming as gambling and heavily limit the prize money that can be earned. Since only last year did an organization begin licensing players as official professionals so they can earn their full prizes, this goes COMPLETELY against everything you have claimed. Reading a little deeper, Japan has laws limiting the prize pools possible and the unreliable way around that is for sponsors to fill the pool and that can make consistent large numbers unlikely. Your story just falls apart.
rasmus202 (EUNE)
: When is the song for worlds 2019 be released?
If it was supposed to be from the act that opened the NA Finals, hopefully never.
: 2/3 of the team representing NA have Import top laners thats
Same could be said about mid lanes. Bjergsen, Jensen, PowerofEvil, Froggen, Crown, Fenix...nearly every team has an import slotted mid. NA not developing talent is only one part of their repeat issues and flops internationally.
Barkley (NA)
: Dead weight? Can't do anything without his team? Bottom tier talent? Only ever gonna be a regional player? Paperweight in international play? Better off trading him before worlds? Here, let me add a bit of my own flavor, "Largely forgettable and only well known because of his career length, because for some reason they won't get rid of him?" You're talking about sneaky, fam. Only reason anyone even knows this kids name is cuz meteos made him famous XD (Oh and he likes to dress up like a girl)
Let's be a bit honest about both Doublelift and Sneaky. Doublelift has been talking trash like he's the best for years. He wasn't able to carry CLG as part of the Rush Hour duo. He helped poach Darshan. When CLG finally made World's and flopped like a fish, he tried to convince some CLG members to go with him to TSM. He went to the team he targeted and mocked most to join a power squad, because despite all his trash talk he realized he can't win alone. Then he bothered teammates there taking a split off. Kinda. Eventually cut and then jumps to Liquid, another team trying to piece together a star squad. In short, Doublelift talks a lot of trash but his career path clearly shows he knows he's not all he talks himself up to be. Compare to Sneaky. He has been a less hyped member on the same squad. That team has lacked regional trophies but has consistently been a competitive squad in NA and internationally. Sneaky talks a lot less trash, and a lot of times seems so chill that I personally wonder how badly he wants to win, but he has been successful while having a bunch of pieces change around him. I guess I just question the culture of C9. Each has their faults and their strengths. Not sure why this came up in a thread about Bjergsen though.
: I'm interested to see CG in Worlds
Cautiously pessimistic. Huni and Cody Sun have each been in World's experience, and Lira is good, but none of them are major playmakers. Vulcan may have some first time jitters, and Damonte can't be expected to be a strong force. The best to hope for is they don't get swept or embarrassed during play-in and can build their experience for next season.
Kazekiba (NA)
: because theyre not active teams? either they sold their spot to another team or disbanded. Samsung White hasn't participated in LCS in 4 years
The Samsung company decided to no longer sponsor an Esports team after 2017 World Championship. They sold the team to KSV Esports who rebranded to Gen.G.
Kritty (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ChompyWulf,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=WXWPMv72,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-27T14:58:08.789+0000) > > People are still so stupid. If you were working during Game 7 of the MLB, NHL, NBA championship, would you go to their website first before watching the game? ONLY IF YOU WANTED TO KNOW WHO WON FIRST. > > FFS, grow a brain and go watch the games on YouTube if you don't want "spoilers". Except watching the games on Youtube doesn't count toward the passes in the client. So unless you want to watch the games once, then run them again in the actual webpage, you have to watch them on the VoD page. Also, your statement about MLB is a stupid one - they don't post spoilers for the day's games in any place that you would see them before getting to the actual games, and by default the scoreboard is blanked when loading the video, until you actually establish a starting point, at which it populates the scoreboard to that point. Why can't Riot do something similar? Have the base lolesports page be a landing page, with pages people can click on to go to breaking news stories and such, but not have any spoilers on the main page itself? Because that would make too much sense.
First, I sincerely doubt you have a pass or are even a fan of Esports since it takes almost two damn weeks for you to respond to criticisms on your whine post on the Esports board. Second, if you cared about Esports, you'd watch outside the LoL system to see without spoilers, and have no qualms about running a game for pass rewards later while doing something else. Third, no, EVERY major sports association webpage runs headlines and scores after a game is complete. If you're late to the result, deal.
Barkley (NA)
: Bjergsen's contract is up? Good.
Lolwut? Doublelift is far from best in the world. Arguably best in NA.
: Is It Just Me...
I'm still wondering where that musical act came from. Googled the name and can't find band or singer. I suspect Riot had a talent show and this was the best they had in house.
: It gets pretty boring seeing the same champions picked over and over again
Watch more regions. Irelia and Sylas aren't that regularly picked in LCK for example.
: G2, RNG and SKT at the moment _should_ be the **ONLY** teams Team Liquid loses against, hopefully! Oppose to previous Worlds - I'm actually confident for I'm with Chompy that Team Liquid _should_ make it out of groups but it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't I also agree that D-Lift is such an arrogant animal that it could cost TL in groups. You can't watch a single solo Q game where he doesn't say " **YOU'RE SO BAD**" at his teammates and tends to just be a solo Q style player, constantly trying to 1v5(he's gotten better) and eventually costing his team. 2016-2017 {{summoner:4}} {{champion:236}} until it got to the point(2018) where he didn't do anything and TL was the most passive team at Worlds. Doublelift's attitude and demeanor is why I never think his team can make it out of groups and well.....( 2012, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018) however, oppose to previous Worlds - I'm actually confident for Team Liquid because as I stated before, "G2, RNG and SKT at the moment _should_ be the **ONLY** teams Team Liquid loses against, hopefully! " These are the known pool 2 seeds(I think RNG will beat FunPlus to be the #1 Seed) FunPlus Phoenix Griffin J Team AHQ Esports I just don't see Team Liquid losing out against these teams to NOT make it out of Groups. I will go further and say Team Liquid will be the 1st Seed out of their group only because this year the overall teams all look weak compared to previous years. Griffin looks to be the most passive and overall, weakest Korean team I've ever seen. J Team I have no data on them but AHQ just isn't what they once were and neither are the Flash Wolves(if they make it). Teams from the VCS should be fun to watch. Overall, this looks to be a cut and dry Worlds where there are 1-2 favorites to win such(G2 Esports or SK Telecom T1) and Groups shouldn't be 100% predictable but close to it.
I always expect every team to drop at least 1 loss they should have won. It's not common for a team to go 6-0 in groups and it seems that at least once a year a #1 from a major region doesn't escape groups. Liquid can expect to be in group with at least one out of Griffin, RNG, and Fnatic, and while on paper Liquid SHOULD win, I wouldn't think it's a shock if they go 0-2 against any of them. After watching highlights from each region, I'd say the champs from each region line up as 1) SKT 2) FPX 3) G2 4) TL Top two only dropped one loss in their best of 5 though SKT accelerated the game better than the LPL winners (crazy, right?), and since G2 beat TL badly at MSI I gave them an edge at 3. (If the Lee Sin buffs are active for Worlds, I'd actually give C9 higher ranking than TL because Svenskeren is nasty with that champ.)
: Team Liquid Worlds Potential
I'd say its a bit foolish. Impact may do very well in NA, but his best international success was way back in Season 3 when SKT was able to give him champ priority in lane time after time and Faker demanded a LOT of focus from enemies. I loved how great Xmithie fit for Immortals with the tank Jung meta, but he's not world class with aggressive jungling, which is very important in the current meta. Doublelift may very well have a slump at World's after finally escaping groups at MSI. He's so arrogant I find it hard to believe after success there he's still as motivated and focused. Jensen and Core JJ are probably the most consistently good players on TL, though against other top notch teams I doubt they can shoulder their team against the best in the World. I think they may be the best chance NA has to escape Groups, but think they will get swept in Quarterfinals. *Edit* This could all be wrong, depending on what the patch they use will do to the metagame for Worlds. Riot has in recent years avoided drastic patches changes at this point in the year, so I trust the meta won't change much.
: New Stat for LCS: Gold to damage ratio.
That's some deep analytics territory. While some may be more cut and dry, because some champs are flexed to different lanes it can change the speed of that champ leveling and gold income. Another wrinkle is do you determine by gold spent or gold earned?
Zeyphel (NA)
: Today I had one of the worst experiences in Lol
This is more of a rant about players than anything about the gameplay. I'd say if anything you should have given up trying to initiate teamfights and at least have fun split pushing and making enemies chase you around the map.
: Meh. There is no reason to assume G2 and Liquid aren't the 2 favorites to win the tournament. After all, it's been nearly a year since any other region has made it to finals or won an international competition and longer than that for Korea. When Korea proves they can play with the big boys in 2019, I'll buy in to the hype. I mean SKT performed decently in a BO5 in their region, but that region hasn't been able to compete successfully on an international level in 2 years. Lets slow down with the hype train and see if there is even any steam. I don't consider you "good" if you win in a trash region that can't find international success. 2017 and lower? Sure. I'll buy in to that hype. But 2018 and above has seen a consistent trend of the Korean region getting utterly destroyed, obliterated, and downright humiliated by Western teams... G2 pogchamp and I don't even think SKT is close in skill.
High quality 💩post sir.
tielr (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ChompyWulf,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=ToKPEWGz,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-09-03T16:11:03.744+0000) > > Well, he got Flash-Ulted. This isn't a new mechanic, the only thing is there seemed to be a glitch that it didn't show where Rakan flashed to, which wouldn't change the end result, only that it's more clear to see it happen. > Point remains, Sneaky was out of position and Rakan was right on top of him. I suggest you re-read what you wrote.. If there's a _glitch_ then it definitely could have impacted the outcome. If that was the case, then it surely is a new mechanic that should be utilized more often because of how inconspicuous the catch potential is. And again, yeah Sneaky _was_ out of position, whether that was intentional or not is not the point.. (??) I'm pretty ambivalent towards C9 anyway so it's not like I'm saying this play was the sole reason C9 lost.
A visual glitch may need fixing, but it doesn't change that the moment CoreJJ flashed he also hit Sneaky with his Ult. He didn't Ult first. It's not like Sneaky flashed but was still hit by Charm anyway. There was no pause, there was no protest, it was just an ~~outplay~~ punish with a strange visual glitch.
tielr (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ChompyWulf,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=ToKPEWGz,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-03T04:09:53.576+0000) > > I don't see the issue. He was way out of position and Rakan was right on top of him. Sneaky was definitely out of position, but that isn't the issue.. pause the video at 21:41 at 0.25x speed and you'll see Sneaky get charmed from a considerable distance. I might believe it's an unintended animation cancel mechanic like someone else said, but the way sneaky was playing so forward made me think that he was trying to bait out Core jj's cooldowns, but ended up getting cheesed really hard.
Well, he got Flash-Ulted. This isn't a new mechanic, the only thing is there seemed to be a glitch that it didn't show where Rakan flashed to, which wouldn't change the end result, only that it's more clear to see it happen. Point remains, Sneaky was out of position and Rakan was right on top of him.
tielr (NA)
: TL vs C9 2019 Finals Game 5-- Corejj's Rakan Ult Catching Sneaky from ~200 Map Units Away?
I don't see the issue. He was way out of position and Rakan was right on top of him.
: If the dynamic of a successful multi-game organization is about winning more than presence and representation, that's not fair to organizations who have just as much longevity and success in competitive gaming across **way** more titles, including Starcraft. EG specifically has had more than just shooters though. Dipped their feet into more titles and engaged in their fair mix of success. They've had sponsored players successful across a handful of fighting games - Justin Wong leading that mantle until the roster blow up in 2017. They've had a TI victory in Dota and are still staying in the upper echelon in recent years of the following tournaments. They've even had a few Starcraft titles. While Starcraft is huge in Korea, so are shooters in the west and fighting games worldwide. Starcraft doesn't just get some fancy prestigious label because it was hot in one place in the world which had more open arms and less controversy for what the scene was than comparison to scenes in America.
I can understand your position though I don't necessarily agree. I just don't see an organization with some titles across a bunch of games as the same as an organization with a more narrow focus and a lot of domination in that chosen realm. I suppose the only thing I have left to comment on is how EG doesn't really relate as much to a discussion about teams and organizations in LoL since EG doesn't have a LoL team anymore.
: > I thought Riot had them change the name so there was only one LCS. I don't know. All I know is the LEC is happy that they aren't related to the LCS anymore. > There was an article a while back I read where a former Esports organizer was talking about how Esports in general is a growing bubble that will eventually burst. There's a lot of money getting pumped in by investors, but there aren't returns coming in to make Esports profitable and if investors pull their money it'll all come crashing down. I mean, I remember TSM back in 2016 Summer and how no/not many investors or sponsors could or wanted to do much with TSM because they were going all out to win Worlds. They were very reclusive in any kind of videos and very rarely had "free time to do such. TSM's revenue dropped, sponsors, profits, streams etc all to win Worlds and in the end it was a group elimination(3-3). Montecristo even talked about such in a video of his " Monte's Musings: TSM and the Competitive Fire" and that's the problem in the pudding; the more and more League teams are competitive and not stream, produce funny videos( Like G2 with their recent "HAHAHA" videos) the less sponsors will be willing to invest in league. My guess is E-Sports will/should/maybe/IDK get in contact with possible sponsors that supports traditional sports like the NFL which is being targeted heavily with concussions and injuries and say, 'Hey, we have a league that has players that can throw a ball in a game and not get injured. Or, 'Hey, we have for the most part(Vasilii) don't beat our wives or girlfriends playing our game/s. Charity work while being sponsored? I don't know. How would you fix such situation?
Teams need to find ways to make income besides low-level sponsorships from tech companies and investors. Streaming eats into time for practice. I think the teams need to find ways to secure group sponsorships from major beverage and snack food companies without a chunk going to Rito. Another way stick and ball sports make money well is off merchandising. Esports team shops have been pretty bad from what I've seen, having cheap junk like vinyl wristbands and pricy player jerseys but little to nothing else.
: > Liquid may be pretty well respected in the West, but there is no single standout franchise with history and success across multiple major games like SmotherKfuckingT.... Wait...SK Telecom T1 has success in like...2 titles. I'd have no debate if it were like 6 to 8 titles but it's not. They're successful to what their foundation was built on in online games but in no way would I say nobody can light a candle to them in "multiple major games." I mean off rip Evil Geniuses has a word with that debate.
Considering how huge StarCraft 1 and 2 are in Korea, on top of LoL, that beats EG winning shooters in the US.
c00face (NA)
: SKT1 vs. GRF, what did we learn?
Calm yourself, OP. Remember something important. Korea has had an Esports culture since StarCraft 1. It's not a recent thing of the past 5ish years to be gaining acceptance, money, etc... There is a difference in time commitment and dedication in the player bases. There are highly skilled NA players who are happy streaming and seem to have 0 goals to play pro. A great example is Tyler1. He's a beastly Draven 1 trick who could probably be dominant in LCS if he practiced other champs. But he is happy doing his thing. Pretty much any Korean player of his skill and time spent playing would chose pro. Another HUGE difference is in team comparisons. Liquid may be pretty well respected in the West, but there is no single standout franchise with history and success across multiple major games like SmotherKfuckingT. Of course there is going to be a difference in franchise quality.
: I mean that's the problem right there and it's a crazy thought. If those players did leave and retire and all 3 NA teams at Worlds are eliminated with a 2-4 - 3-3 record where does NA go from that situation? NA isn't developing talent, and the talent we do develop kinda sucks compared to other regions and especially having just 1 hit wonders. I bet you could name what player from just this - {{champion:27}} {{champion:77}} {{champion:14}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:1}} NA LCS only has so much longer before it fails and becomes no more.... the EU LCS knew such and branded themselves far away from the NA LCS and became the _LEC_. I don't blame them. RIP NA LCS 2013 - 2019 May we remember historic failures {{item:3070}}
I thought Riot had them change the name so there was only one LCS. There was an article a while back I read where a former Esports organizer was talking about how Esports in general is a growing bubble that will eventually burst. There's a lot of money getting pumped in by investors, but there aren't returns coming in to make Esports profitable and if investors pull their money it'll all come crashing down.
: I thought Vitality lost to Fnatic/Garen in the regular split? But either way, that was a sloppy series. The problem is every game in all regions looks sloppy to the point where it honestly seems like I'm watching those spectate videos that were once on the league client of solo Q players. I can't take games serious anymore when the games are 20 kills to 8 at around the 18 min mark. This new league may be exciting to some but it's _boring_ to me. **And what is up with these game 5's that are complete garbage**?
I'm still enjoying LCK because there is still (usually) some methodology. They typically aren't just piling in a few people at a time into a running brawl without a reason. It's usually to either get kills or escape them in the early game, warding and rotating to grow a lead or close the gap, then often standoffs over key neutral objectives forcing teamfights that lead to the end.
: I hope Fenix gets back to his ole self again that dominated in lane phase and was a cs monster to be able to find a team but I doubt a team will pick him up. A team that picks up Apollo will need to pick up Hakuho as they are a packaged deal(3+years) but it would behove a team to find replacements because both Apollo and Hakuho have medium ceilings but really low-lows. All I know is NA really needs to develop some home-grown talent fast because I don't see players like Aphromoo, Meteos and Ryu playing another split and it's not far fetched seeing players like Ssumday, Arrow and Crown most likely leaving all before Spring split 2020.
I wonder sometimes if there are Challenger level players who just want to stream and never play professionally. It wouldn't be surprising if the Twitch revenue is good enough that they don't want to deal with the criticism and stress of the competitive spotlight.
: I haven't watched much LPL this season so IDK if any LPL teams are A+ or close to SKT level at the moment. If I had to pick a LPL representative to do well at Worlds I would say Top Esports only because they can get kills but not die randomly by doing so but they first need to qualify. G2 vs FNC earlier was just.....__sigh__ both teams looked like s$it. Scahlke looks promising if they'll make it to Worlds but you gotta ask yourself if FC are hype or are they just hot air?Upset loves to run his mouth but can't ever actually back it up. Also, he'll be playing against a ADC that he has s$it talked time after time but has always destroyed him(Rekkles). Griffin...Griffin...Griffin..._sigh_ Rox Tigers Jr. I've never seen a LCK team just passively give up the way Griffin did, ever! I understand it's **SK TELECOM T1** but my g$d! DO SOMETHING...ANYTHING. After game 2 I almost scratched their #2 Seed(wasn't qualified as such) to be LCK's #3 Seed instead to play in the Play-In stage. Again, they have been the best LCK team in the regular split and one could chalk it up that's it was nerves against SKT but if Griffin can't beat SKT on such stage or any LCK team in the Finals......do you have confidence in them at Worlds? I don't.
I just looked up the result of LEC and couldn't believe my eyes. I pulled up a highlight video to see if it was true. I can honestly say I have no faith that G2 will do anything at Worlds now that they have officially become the first team since SEASON 1 to lose a match opposing a Garen. All the bad plays the led up to feeding Fnatic...it's just horrible.
: RIP Echo Fox. I do hope the players are able to find another team tho.
Because of residency rules, I think a couple like Apollo and Hakuho will at least find their way onto an academy roster. Also with Dignitas and Immortals coming in with inherited rosters, they may be eager to snap up some extra players to find a good mix.
: Riot most likely already scrapped it. You see, they are too busy making champions that can 100-0 anyone or have perma cc up the anus or are too busy farting in faces and playing 'flick the ball sack' to care about " Pick'em"
Also now busy selling the Echo Fox franchise slot.
ilanmer (EUNE)
: Best of 5 matches is just too long
I can sympathize with the time demand watching a series live is, especially if it goes all 5 games. However, reducing the number of games is a HORRIBLE solution. There is a better way that can help shave off some time. The breaks between games could easily be shorter. Half an hour is a lot, and 15 minutes should be plenty of time to players to get a breather in. That would shave a half hour off a 3 game sweep, and an hour off a 5 game series. That would bring it more in line with a typical sporting game such as baseball, hockey, or football.
: No doubt we have to see who's in which group.
I'm sure the top EU and China teams are major threats too. I haven't watched their highlights yet.
: Braum baron steal.
That was hilarious.
: #ACTUAL Hype Train Hype!!! (Not that ordinary one from last week) {{sticker:sg-shisa}}
Hey, any hype train before a team wins it's region is too early and NOT a legit hype train!{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Rioter Comments
c00face (NA)
: Lets stop joking around. NA compared to other region is horrible
SKT is struggling? Have you seen anything of LCK since Rift Rivals? It's not just Clid. Teddy is dangerous and one of the best ADCs in the world right now and Faker is still one of the best period. They've been beating the crap out of teams.
: > With a slight mix of Tahm Kench too. lol! What! lol
It's not the thiccness we want, it's the thiccness we deserve.
: You tell people that logic and they'll say this to you " But we shouldn't have to do that" as I've been told before. Legit told people to just SAVE/BOOKMARK the VOD page and......EZ - PZ Also, having the spoilers(Riot does spoilers now a day AFTER such events) but having the spoilers on the front page is a form of "Breaking news" and people still don't understand that. It's like turning on the t.v to ESPN and getting annoyed when they spoil X game, tournament etc
I'm going to go full old man mode and say kids these days are too damn pampered by streaming services and worry too much about their own expectations more than reasonable reality.
DalekZec (EUNE)
: Somebody please explain this
Seeing the thumbnail of the video at first I thought this was a dude. I'd also guess she's a big fan of Miley Cyrus' period when she was always sticking her tongue out or licking something for photoshoots. Cringy.
: > First, a Pick 'Em. That's not going to happen! I've been asking for a pick'em not just for MSI but in general for around 4 years now. Also, we are talking about Rito in a sense that they gave up on fantasy LCS, stats on the homepage and for fans to input their opinions in Riot's articles. So I doubt they'll create a pick'em. Like Prandine said, " some regions play bo3's regularly and don't have all teams competing on the same day" it's difficult to include other regions because the other regions do their own thing and not sure about this but I think Rito doesn't "own" every region(North America) something like that. If we are talking about NA and NA only then yes, I agree. I personally do think teams competing at tournament should be given time to rest etc but I'm a bit annoyed that the NA LCS isn't a Best-of-3 so it's a bit contradiction on my part. Also, players scrim, play LCS etc but then they run back to their computers and stream and play solo Q even on their free-time. Let's also not act like playing league these days where games are really just 20 min games is this huge time consuming drain. **If we are talking about NA only** ~20~ day break only if series are Best-of-3's.
Yeah, Riot doesn't own all leagues, and some have a more forgiving schedule than others. (NA compared to China) That makes a uniform schedule break pretty much a pipe dream. I'm also aware the players scrimmage. That's half of why I'm bringing up time between the splits and tournament. If a team goes to MSI and gets to the semis or finals, then have just a couple weeks to get their scrims and meetings, they have very little time to take a break. Sure, they may choose to stream or play, but that's when they are unwinding and not under the stress to perform and work together to get a win every time. But again, it's kinda a pipe dream, but still something that I thought needed brought up. I can understand fantasy being underwhelming and dropped when other sites do it already. It's also a difference between a split long time investment and a two week time investment. I'd hope a Pick 'Em and quests, etc will be added to MSI. Dressing up the Rift and having a skin on sale is ok, but it doesn't really draw in the community the same way.
Prandine (NA)
: Hmm, I gotta say I like these ideas. That said my concern with the second idea is with the fact some regions play bo3's regularly and don't have all teams competing on the same day, and since I believe the Worlds dates are already announced in advance of the Summer Split (correct me if I'm wrong there) it would bring up some scheduling issues there as well if I'm not mistaken.
I don't know details about when Riot announces the tournament dates. It could be a bit challenging to push some schedule changes for each region, but would hopefully be worth it and help eliminate things like the MSI hangover that is very common.
Glîtchy (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ChompyWulf,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=mZ7hJ9As,comment-id=0001000100020000,timestamp=2019-08-28T00:26:18.915+0000) > > Well, I understand. There has been some variation. First set heavily featured red with gold. Second set was navy, with gold, red, and white. Third was tons of gold and wings with plenty of reds. > I'd hope IF they win #4, they more closely mimic the uniforms the players wear, primarily black, with red and gold emblems. Tall order though, but given their run since Rift Rivals it's hard to picture SKT not being a top favorite. Let’s not forget how bad some of them have looked, like Zac and Olaf then Nami barely dodging being notably bad
Zac sure is ugly, but I thought Olaf was pretty cool. No opinion on Nami. Faker may play Ahri just to try ensuring she gets a skin if they win.
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Glîtchy (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ChompyWulf,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=mZ7hJ9As,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-08-27T14:59:05.172+0000) > > Because skins are the only reason to care about who wins World's.... For me, yes, it is, I just prefer to not see the same color scheme on like every champ ever
Well, I understand. There has been some variation. First set heavily featured red with gold. Second set was navy, with gold, red, and white. Third was tons of gold and wings with plenty of reds. I'd hope IF they win #4, they more closely mimic the uniforms the players wear, primarily black, with red and gold emblems. Tall order though, but given their run since Rift Rivals it's hard to picture SKT not being a top favorite.
: I think it's safe to say that LeBron James is one of the greatest of all time but I'd personally will always say Kobe Bryant is the GOAT as he was my favorite player to watch. Biased in my opinion.....yeah
On second thought, maybe James is the perfect example. There is no undisputed Greatest of all Time in the NBA, but there is a short list of guys in the conversation. (Usually Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron) Of those, James is the one who has changed teams and worked to recruit and team up with the guys he wanted to play with to get championships. DLift helped poach Darshan onto CLG. By several reports he tried to recruit a couple CLG players take or listen to TSM offers. He chose to take time off from playing one spring? and was clearly looking around at other team options given how he was "on loan" to Liquid while still technically a TSM player, then look where he went after TSM...a lot of parallels to LeBron's journeying, recruiting, and bullying to have things his way. Sneaky would be far more like Jordan or Kobe, staying on the same team, no matter who he was playing with.
: Another point is just how many teammates Sneaky has played with but still manages to make it to Finals and out of groups and not just former World Champions but also rookies(Blaber, Zeyzal), players that their former teams didn't want because they couldn't make it out of groups with such but once joined Cloud 9 instantly made it out of groups and into Semi-Finals(Svenskeren). I remember C9 members saying, 'It wasn't you - it was them' to Svenskeren. Players that were either bad or just couldn't make it to a stable roster(Smoothie and Goldenglue). 7th place and gauntlet to Worlds, 10th place to Finals, play-in after play-in, group stage after group stage. If D-Lift is the LeBron James of NA would Sneaky be the Damian Lillard of NA?
Maybe I shouldn't have used a basketball allegory as I don't follow the sport much. I forget sometimes that many people think LeBron is one of the best ever despite his shortcomings and manipulation.
: > [{quoted}](name=ChompyWulf,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=d9a7tzHB,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T03:37:24.116+0000) > > Gonna be CoreJJ or DLift because of Honda sponsorship. Uh Whoops. The broadcast team that had been pimping Svenskeren overwhelmingly voted for him. In general Impact, Jensen, and even Xmithie were on quite a few ballots instead of either Doublelift or CoreJJ and in the end that handed the MVP to Svenskeren.
I assumed sponsor dollars would secretly influence, I was wrong.
: Well....it really is
I can understand fatigue of one team winning most, regional loyalty, or wanting to see YOUR team win it. Just not caring most about skin.
: > [{quoted}](name=ChompyWulf,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=mZ7hJ9As,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-08-27T14:59:05.172+0000) > > Because skins are the only reason to care about who wins World's.... Well considering more people in the U.S. care about their local high school football game than lol pros, for a lot of people, that statement is true.
I suppose. I can understand fatigue with SKT having won most, but it's been a couple years and regardless who wins they've put good work into the skins regardless who wins. I guess since I don't buy skins much I'm an outlier.
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