: Hashanshin and jax, Cowsep and YI !! [Meddler CmonBruh]
Rrrright through the alpha strike, isn't as catchy.
: League of legends triumphs because of replay value and the sense of a fair(ish) competition. Many people dont give a shit about lore or about the champions they play. My friend plays shitloads of Azir, and he plays without sound a lot. If someone is interested in the characters and the lore they’ll read it eventuall. That is besides the fact that it’s blatantly obvious she’s a human with too much void experience. The boards are a terrible gauge for the league community, not just because it’s a small subsection. People here form their opinions quickly and then loudly declare them as many times as they can. It can seem like the boards think one way when it’s not always the case. Also her full lore isn’t released. Yet there are already commenters claiming she’s a Mary Sue for some reason.
To be fair, they're judging her from her appearance and voice. Wasn't a fan of how Zoe was portrayed overall.
: does she fight for the void or against?
: Is that an Australian accent I’m hearing? Or is it British? (I am an ignorant American, please help) I like how her voice has a reverb, though. So she’s definitely somewhat changed, not immune.
The voice reverb is when she has her helmet on.
: No ferocity, no pain, barely any emotion; it's the weakest voice acting we've gotten in a while. Compare her to recent champions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r26GIj3nH6g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fsiw85swRs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWng39USD1E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRRofGLTsv8 She doesn't even interact with her suit, which is meant to be a living thing, she even references this! It taught her how to survive, apparently, and it's moving around constantly. Why waste an opportunity? Kai'sa could have had a dynamic that Kayn and Rhaast have, but a positive partnership rather than constantly fighting for control.
It's living, but that doesn't mean it's intelligent, or can talk. It seems like a wild animal that she has to feed to avoid it turning against her.
: Then what was the design intent?
I would argue that she is a survivor of the void by using its power. Maybe they could've had her be a monster that isn't insane, but they went with a symbiotic suit.
Sharjo (EUW)
: That doesn't change the fact that we didn't need a new conventionally attractive champion given how full of them League is. There's such a thing as oversaturation y'know, and that's the main problem here. Also Xayah turning people off is irrelevant to the discussion considering she still is conventionally attractive, even with the bird legs, fox ears and wing.
There's a lot of things League doesn't need, but Riot gives people what they want. This topic is about subjective views on beauty, so Xayah is relevant.
: https://i.imgur.com/56uMm.jpg?noredirect https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/speciesfilms/images/a/a7/Sil_Head_Maquette.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130429115608 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starcraft/images/a/a3/Izsha_SC2_Game1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110709122919 https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/005/984/105/medium/victoria-yurkovets-13.jpg?1495176128 https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/004/052/217/large/victor-adame-atraxa-praetors-voice.jpg?1479852294 https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/mtgsalvation_gamepedia/thumb/3/3c/Sheoldred.jpg/1200px-Sheoldred.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5NOyUJ9.jpg?noredirect So many possibilities.
That wasn’t the design intent with Kai’Sa. It’s not that she’s a failure of a void champion, just one you weren’t expecting. Samus has Metroid genes in her and she looks normal.
Sharjo (EUW)
: Hardly. 30+ is more than enough when that encompasses somewhere between two thirds and three quarters of the roster. Let's have some variance for once, please.
We haven’t had a conventional one years. Eve was a rework and has a unique look. Xayah is a goth bird that turns off some people.
Jeddy017 (NA)
: Did we really need another "sexy" chick when the majority of the female roster are essentially sexy chicks? And why does Kai'sa even need to be a sexy chick? Even if she some how did need to look sexy (which I doubt), there are plenty of ways to do sexy without being generic.
Riot said they don’t mind sexy women, but didn’t want to fall into a pattern of it or force it on everyone.
: I said something kinda racist before on twitter and woke up to over 130 tweets. I didn't look at them, I just deactivated my twitter for a while.
> [{quoted}](name=ShadowbladeTalon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=v7VRFjEc,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-02-21T07:48:52.688+0000) > > I said something kinda racist before on twitter and woke up to over 130 tweets. I didn't look at them, I just deactivated my twitter for a while. You're first mistake was having twitter.
Rebonack (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dgAb3YEk,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-02-21T17:04:47.626+0000) > > On one hand, I get that the Void is at least partially Old Gods/Lovecraft in LoL, but on the other hand, I think Riot is trying to be more original than that. We only have 2-3 human champions affected by the Void. Having one be in control doesn't bother me so much. She could be a one in a million person, and I don't mean that to support an anime/fictional trope. > > Regardless, I'm just trying to keep an open mind. I remember when people complained about Xayah and Rakan not fitting the lore, or Camille's attitude. Turning the Void into another physical universe that happens to be inhabited by purple not-tyranids doesn't score any originality points.
Idk. I'm a wow follower where everything about the Old Gods and Void makes people insane. Gets old after a while, so someone like Kai'Sa doesn't bother me.
Ralanr (NA)
: Kassadin and Malz would disagree I believe. And I think the suit is a void creature. It should be corrupting her imo.
We don't know how powerful the creature is. It was skinned from a living creature right? Maybe it's weakened.
Rebonack (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=GenociderX,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RTYKHmKf,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-20T16:58:29.583+0000) > > I just think you don't want attractive champions. I'm not looking for the sexiest thing from Riot, but I don't make a big point about it either.. Honestly I could care less about Riot releasing attractive male or female champs. That isn't even on my radar. I'm a fan of eldritch spookiness stuff and the Void lines up with my interests to a T. Hence, why I feel that there should be *something* inhuman about the new champ. Because no one that goes into the Void comes back the same. Even something as subtle as making her sclera black with glowing purple irises would do it. Or make her blue like Kass and Jax. Don't think the third eye thing would work for her, though. That seems to be a mark of someone who has had their will subsumed by the Void.
: I know people are already complaining about a number of different things, from looks to kit, but I think (outside of people being terrified of her kit prematurely) that there are two chief complaints that at least I find valid: 1) Less importantly, she looks way too much like a hybridization of several other champs we already have: Ahri's facial marks, Vayne's guns, and just an overall safe, easy design. This was someone who was in the Void, and yet she looks like she just took a jaunt through Jumanji instead of someone who battled the unknowable insanity-scapes of LoLs Lovecraftian plane. Maybe her voice-over and stories will show her to basically just be a monster on the inside with great modified vocals and a thirst for death and revenge, but nothing about her splash indicates that this is where it would be going. I'd love to be shown wrong in the end though. 2) "Kai'Sa" apparently translates to "Mary Sue". Every other creature who has had any contact with the Void is massively changed by it, coming out insane, dying, or being transformed into something horrific. Unless this woman managed to kill and symbiotically fuse with a voidspawn in her first MINUTES of being transported there, she should have already seen some harrowing side effects just from her initial transport to that realm. To say her "sheer force of will" is what kept her sane isn't so much a "oh, look how weak Kass and Malz were to have been so easily corrupted" as it is to completely dilute the horror that the Void itself is supposed to represent. If someone can just hop on in, skin something, wear its skin, and come out totally fine, then this harrowing plane of existence suddenly just another area of Runeterra that just happens to produce monsters sometimes. Her very existence this way dumbs down what is supposed to be the most mysterious and terrifying place in the entire LoL universe, or simply flies in the face of all the lore we have been given up to this point on it. And I really thing THIS is what has been bugging people most about her.
On one hand, I get that the Void is at least partially Old Gods/Lovecraft in LoL, but on the other hand, I think Riot is trying to be more original than that. We only have 2-3 human champions affected by the Void. Having one be in control doesn't bother me so much. She could be a one in a million person, and I don't mean that to support an anime/fictional trope. Regardless, I'm just trying to keep an open mind. I remember when people complained about Xayah and Rakan not fitting the lore, or Camille's attitude.
: > [{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=rvqQMszn,comment-id=0000000200000001,timestamp=2018-02-21T15:23:19.498+0000) > > Is that lipstick? Figured those were puffy lips. I don't rightly know, but they sure are noticeable.
: > [{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=rvqQMszn,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2018-02-21T14:12:23.687+0000) > > What make up? I took those to be void markings, and let’s be honest, every champion should probably be some hairy, dirty person. Eyeliner, eyeshadow, lipstick
: I don't know how people didn't freak out over Rakan saying "let's kick some ass!" when Xayah said "little shits" and got huge backlash.
: But can you explain the makeup?
What make up? I took those to be void markings, and let’s be honest, every champion should probably be some hairy, dirty person.
Sancre (EUW)
: I would be ok with the black and purple eyes shown in the concept art, not because of badassery, but because everyone that got touched by the Void got changed so hard its impossible to believe her got just like that. The only explanation would be that the exosuit was what actually dragged her inside the Void, so she was protected by it since minute 0, as we already know what just looking at the Void can make to a human mind.
How can there be only one explanation, when we don’t know anything about her or the void yet.
: Kai'Sa has been in the Void for years
It was said she survived by sheer force of will, along with her suit. I don’t expect her to be like Malzahar. Kassadin did less, and he’s barely holding his sanity. I don’t think she’s going to sound crazy, and I expect people to be disappointed.
: I Think These Look Similar. Just My Opinion. Please Don't Hate Me.
: Kai'Sa's Role?
She's a marksman. That doesn't mean she's forced into bot. I wouldn't be surprised if she's played everywhere but there.
: I hope riot doesn't go this route. It's not that I completely hate the idea, but I'd like riot do go a little bit more original route. Plus if riot did go the Sauron route, they'd have to add a find the ring mini-game where if the other team finds the ring first, morde gets a big debuff. I don't see them doing that.
Zemasu (EUW)
: She is skinny in the splash art, but look the in-game model Look at the [Hips](http://oi66.tinypic.com/zk3c53.jpg) , they are really big compared to the splash art
Models are always exaggerated, and I'm not sure if the splash shows her as skinny. She could be fit.
Gapybo (EUW)
: Bullet angel...
Kinda thought she was an astronaut.
Rioter Comments
: Looks more like someone in a suit than someone afflicted by the void. The void should turn people into monstrous versions of themselves, not normal people in pretty suits.
But she survived because of the suit. She's not corrupted like the others.
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: You can't make this argument every time Riot decides to buff something. The reason why they're doing this is because both Baron and Elder aren't really being meaningful objectives to teams that fight for them unless they're literally ahead and are looking to make their fights even more decisive. Baron buff, as it stands, only scales to 27 minutes and it significantly less meaningful the longer the game lasts. Baron usually takes a whole team to get while Elder is a weaker boss that gives a lot more meaningful teamfight buff. What Riot is looking to do is make both objectives worth contesting.
Have I made this argument every time Riot buffs something?
Zemasu (EUW)
: Kai'sa Splash art-3D Model discrepancy
How do you know she's supposed to be skinny? How does adapting mean skinny?
: Initial Thoughts on New Champ Art, Kai'sa
The page tells us that she survived because of her suit. She's probably more like Samus.
Fasmodey (EUW)
: What point am I supposed to criticize when we had only look? What ridiculous is you. Just for once stop licking Riot's ass and let people say what they want. I am really bored by your threads complaining about others complaining after every single freaking release. You are not the person can shut up me, or others. She is sex appealing character for no reason. I wouldn't mind if she was from any other region but Void literally doesn't make sense. And i am not gonna accept the reasons behind it because it is easy to cover up "we wanted money lmao" with any excuse. I like Riot, and I would gladly like to see them as the best game company ever. I support them. I want them to improve and have quality. That doesn't mean I will accept everything they do blindly, they need criticize to improve.
I'm not a fan of her cleavage, but she's wearing a symbiotic suit. Those things, depending on their design, can be skin tight. Not even Kassadin's that affected, compared to Jax.
: > Gnar > Hop (E) damage increased from 20/60/100/140/180 to 50/85/120/155/190 GNAR! (R) Super Gnario stomping you! Concerning the rest: The buffs sound quite scary to me. Zed ult CDR peak at 60? For the love of God, wtf. Good news is, that cleansing drowsy now actually saves you.
> Super Gnario stomping you! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1moXJATS2Zs
: Changes that will benefit LeBlanc players, such as ways to have a more favorable way to kill adc's in the mid-late game, faster burst.
Rioter Comments
: Mordekaiser, The Iron Revenant: A character Study
Even when you quit him, you're still dedicated. I respect that.
: Looking at these images, I'm reminded of Sauron. So I'd say you did well.
I half expect Riot to rework Morde into Sauron.
Sancre (EUW)
: Kassadin "Cutting a burning swath through the darkest places of the world, Kassadin knows his days are numbered. Though once a notorious adventurer, he had chosen to live anonymously and raise a family among the nomad tribes of Shurima—until the day his daughter was claimed by the Void. Kassadin vowed to bring her back, combining a number of arcane artifacts and forbidden technologies for the struggle ahead. His precautions were not enough, however, and these devices now only serve to slow the insidious corruption that ravages his body... but he will gladly pay that price, if only he can save her..." https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/qRiNEecw-kassadins-bio-and The link to the post is to show that Kassadin's upgrade is fairly new, more or less around when new Varus came to exist. I could really use some exact dates about when these stories were upgraded in the pbe, and now universe. Right now they are just a pharagraph, until their times comes and they get fully revealed, like it happened with Varus. Malzahar "A religious zealot dedicated to the unification of all life, Malzahar truly believes the newly emergent Void to be the gateway to Runeterra's salvation. In the desert wastes of Shurima, he opened his mind to the universe, and the whispers that answered led him to Icathia. Amidst the ruins of that land, he gazed into the dark heart of the Void itself—and Malzahar emerged changed, a shepherd empowered to bring others into the fold… or to release the voidling creatures that dwell beneath."
Well looking at the Garena reveal page, she's more of a hybrid, like Venom, so she probably adopted the name.
: I geniunely wish that the new void champion wasn't a human. We need more monsters.
We've been hyping the return of Kassadin's daughter for years, so it makes sense that she's at least human like.
Sancre (EUW)
: They got upgraded lore not long ago, couldn't they also add an apostrophe to their name if that was an intended Icathian name? I mean they made 2 comics and a video to make Varus a darkin and add 2 more people inside him I say Icathian because if every Shuriman had apostrophe, there would be things like A'zir Xer'ath Tali'yah Na'sus Renek'ton Thing is that probably that champion is called Kaisa, ot its indeed a voidborn posing as a human, similar to Shio from God Eater
Those two didn't get lore updates. Not yet at least.
: > Snowball ___ > game ending Pick one or the other
Sancre (EUW)
: Yes, I do understand that they come from shurima, and some can even come from Icathian, if they actually had a different language from ancient shuriman, my question remains though Why Kai'sa instead of Kaisa? Why Malzahar instead of Malza'har? Why Kassadin instead of Kassa'din? The second word after the apostrophe is used to determine the species in void borns if i remember right, so Rek'Sai from the Xer'sai Does that mean the new champion isn't a human tainted by the void but a voidborn that resembles a human?
Kassadin and Malzahar were from a time before Riot started thinking of naming themes.
Sancre (EUW)
: Kai'sa din, yep its Kassadin's daughter Why would a non voidborn use a voidborn name?
Maybe we should ask why Kassadin and Malzahar don’t.
: *citation needed*
Isn’t Riot buffing Baron and Elder Drake to help close out games? On top of more snow balling mechanics?
: > [{quoted}](name=The Blue Rajah,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=w2REo3wT,comment-id=0001000200000003,timestamp=2018-02-20T00:31:39.153+0000) > > Yes, because it’s three things. It’s (story + art + sound), not (story + art & sound). Don’t you take my Oxford comma away! Usually I am a STAUNCH supporter of the Oxford Comma! However, it looks so strange when it uses an ampersand instead of the word "and" written out. Story, Art, and Sound == Great! Story, Art, & Sound == Looks weird? Talk about first world problems though.
: Does Zed/Ionia consider the Freljord a threat?
Does anyone? Demacia defends against it, and Noxus attacked it, but that’s it.
: > Why is it that you haven't made any tales/legends surrounding the legendary artifacts of such power and destruction that inhabit your game? My conclusion is because game-mechanics is meant to be an exclusive department focused entirely to its own relevant content. Same goes for lore too. I dont think either side particularly benefit from a potential collaboration. OP you also have to understand, the writers for League's lore were not involved with Pentakill's song writing. The lyrics aren't intended to hold weight within the primary lore as much as I'm sure the devs working on PK drawed a bit of their inspiration from the lore. Even the artists for game-play related things (like item icons and rune page art) are seperate from the artist who're heavily involved with World Building/lore. I say if you want to understand item's "lore" and do some theory-crafting about them, then go ahead. It's just not a discusion that will ever have conclusive answers to.
We know some items reference lore figures, like some of the support items, and BotRK. I don't think they'll ever be more than Easter eggs in the lore, like Deadman's Plate, but there is some connection.
: > [{quoted}](name=Rebonack,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=IjMkNLuE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-02-17T17:04:20.856+0000) > > It's Buddhism upside down and backwards with a splash of Epicurean ethics twisted toward selfishness rather than selflessness. > > In short, it is a faith that encourages you to follow your heart (if you want something, take it) and all the vileness such advice invariably leads to. Buddism upside down yes, but Stoicism not Epicurean. Chasing your “dreams” is the highest order. The assumption is chasing something larger than yourself is (inevitably) morally good. “Desires” are assumed to be healthy IF they can be fufilled. So repetive or addictive behavior is a huge no-no. In both cases the “s” is important— DreamS, DesireS. There’s a subtly in Gangplank’s test that is often missed. He accepted he wanted to be “King”. Not just the mob boss, captain, or leader— King. That requires the creation of an actual nation, government, and legacy beyond his own life. It was simultaneously selfish and yet also the first step towards a redemption. Accepting that he wants to be king, deciding to devote his life and choices to that goal, now gangplank can finally begin to question what that means, what that will take, how he will have to change, and what sort of King he will be... And he will not make the mistakes his cruel father made. A good king? Maybe not. But better than bilgewater has seen — and maybe the right king for where that society is headed.
Will we start to see these nuances in his story? We've only seen MF's progression so far.
Dear Ren (NA)
: I was searching for some Lulu wallpapers when I bump into this Skin idea
So she's supposed to be an alien? What would make it a legendary skin?
NemeBro (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=sarii fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xR6eJvig,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-19T05:03:00.436+0000) > > I hope you have a long, enjoyable life. :) At least one of us does.
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