Amorith (NA)
: Riot, I get I'm in my promos, but what the fuck is this?
: Only if he's done well. I don't want Mordekaiser to be an anti-hero. I don't want him to have a Freudian excuse, or be a sociopath/psychopath who can't understand emotion. I want Mordekaiser to be a pure villain, who doesn't need to justify what he's doing and why he's doing it; who doesn't tug at the audience's heartstrings to elicit a sympathetic reaction. I want Mordekaiser to understand his actions, what others think of them, what his legacy will be - but I want him to continue anyway. I want him to be confident, ruthless and stylish. His motivations can be simple: he wants to conquer life and death and rule the world, but that doesn't mean that he can't have depth without being comical. Unfortunately, I don't think Riot can pull it off. So, "I like heavy metal." might be the safest characterization possible.
Wacky9 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=VoraciousX,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=FwZJzflQ,comment-id=0004000600000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-21T06:39:41.021+0000) > > But is there really a point in fussing at someone who has no control over anything related to the subject? Imagine if you worked for a company that sold books, and someone called to blow you out about how awful the latest book you sold them was, but you didn't write the book so it's not your fault, yet your day still gets ruined because you had to listen to an angry person about how awful someone else's book was. > > That's basically what this equates to. Yes because poor Bazerka is simply an innocent Rioter who has no contact with other Rioters and can't make suggestions to them. Bazerka must have truly suffered to hear the harsh words I basically didn't direct at him, and instead at Riot itself. I can't imagine the pain and agony he must have gone through to have his self-righteousness mocked by some anonymous denizen of the internet. I sincerely apologize to Bazerka and to his family for the emotional and mental suffering that I inflicted upon him.
> [{quoted}](name=Wacky9,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=FwZJzflQ,comment-id=00040006000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-21T08:17:48.479+0000) > > Yes because poor Bazerka is simply an innocent Rioter who has no contact with other Rioters and can't make suggestions to them. Bazerka must have truly suffered to hear the harsh words I basically didn't direct at him, and instead at Riot itself. I can't imagine the pain and agony he must have gone through to have his self-righteousness mocked by some anonymous denizen of the internet. I sincerely apologize to Bazerka and to his family for the emotional and mental suffering that I inflicted upon him. Did you make a suggestion?
Bazerka (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SoundChaosDebug,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MkNAelF2,comment-id=0001000300000003,timestamp=2018-06-21T00:40:48.289+0000) > > Doesn't matter how many times you tell people to eat shit and grin, there will always be happy to shovel the shit into the grinning mouth knowing neither of them will win. > > Is being "happy" all that riot cares about now, and not winning at all? Despite every game change and mechanic change being around pro play? > > Why did cloud9 and skt both bench their a team instead of telling them to eat shit and grin??? For me, thats correct: Winning at League isn't the point. I play to express and build community, and winning is a marker of that but only a marker. Its kinda like how money is a sign of success, but not success itself. So yea creating an environment where players enjoy themselves and have fun is kinda the point. A great example is Fortnite and PUBG. Both games you enter fully realizing that you have (in an even field) a 1% chance to win, so the goal is to have fun and enjoy the ride with the rewards coming in other formats. I personally love that intent, cause it means that the game isn't zero sum. You don't derive joy purely from the misfortune of others :).
Are those games highly competitive? That mentality is fine if I’m playing normals, but ranked is such a competitive atmosphere, that it’s difficult to maintain a play for fun mindset.
: Sona is a Darkin
I'm a Darkin. Change my mind.
: Edward
> [{quoted}](name=2nd Chance,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hG02m1Hh,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-06-19T22:34:41.344+0000) > > > > Edward Not short enough.
: Aatrox login theme
What does Riot listen to to inspire them to make so many heavy metal themes?
: Only if the story is over a certain word count and into "short story" or "novelette" territory. Riot's really big on being humble about who works on what. I personally don't agree with this philosophy (I don't see why we can't be humble and be credited), but I respect the decision. Besides it all eventually comes out in the wash on the AMA or here on the boards or on various wikis/sites.
If it ends up being revealed anyway, why not save people the trouble and give credit? I don't get the humility part.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=DwarvenGiant,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=1748M0lT,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-18T17:13:09.468+0000) > > Wait. Wait wait _wait._ > So the minor VGU _isn't Morgana?_ > If it isn't, a fair bunch of the League community is going to be (and will be, with the next Roadmap) caught off-guard. _So_ off-guard, but probably just as excited, if not more. Should all be announced in the next roadmap.
: He is certainly in motion, an eddy of a much deeper tide.
How when Jhin is considered motionless?
: So can the children who jumped the gun over Aatrox VO have they now changed their narrow impressions about it?
Why do you have to be condescending about it? It was a fair complaint.
Fasmodey (EUW)
: Both enjoys killing. You don't laugh to what you kill without enjoying.
Yes, but he enjoys killing those that piss him off. I feel like there’s some difference. There’s also a lack of movement audio.
Fasmodey (EUW)
: You have Rhaast basically tho? Same race, same personality.
Rhaast enjoys killing. Aatrox is angry.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolfeur,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=b2F286zK,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-06-12T22:01:55.631+0000) > > I don't think he tries to be anything. It feels very genuine, really. Actions speak louder than words, and Aatrox has done nothing really impresive so far, the only thing that we know for sure is that a little girl caused the doom of his whole kin and he is mad at her... but **he has done nothing about it**. He says that he can kill anyone, even gods... but then he admits that he doesnt know how to do it and says that "in time" he "will learn" how to do it, but he wont, that is the tipical villain who says "i will get you next time" after being defeated.
Fasmodey (EUW)
: @WAARGHbobo, we should talk about your voice writing.
Most of these are interactions, unless there’s a full audio already? I can see where they’re taking him. The Darkin were trapped (betrayed) by the targonians. They’re pissed. I think there’s still nobility to the guy, but he’s angry.
: Remminder, you’re listening to just the “highlight reel” of Aatrox murdering people— not the full VO experience we mapped for walking from fountain, lanning, team fight, late game, challenging people, etc... etc.. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
Ignore what I said. I was wrong. I was horribly wrong.
: Remminder, you’re listening to just the “highlight reel” of Aatrox murdering people— not the full VO experience we mapped for walking from fountain, lanning, team fight, late game, challenging people, etc... etc.. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
With all due respect, you haven’t had the best record of saying “wait for x”. It seems like you’re going for a power fantasy, which is fine but, different from what fans seem to think of him? If there is elegance, I think it’ll be a different perception than the players.
Tialilia (EUW)
: Aatrox: The Darkin Blade | Champion Trailer - League of Legends
Remember when people said they liked his elegant views on war? Me neither. Let’s make him edgy.
: Gun Goddess writer here. It was interesting writing her from the perspective of the [comic](, as well as that of a murder jetpack space rogue. I learned quite a few things, and learned to avoid others -- most prominently the almost daytime-TV-wine-mom level of flirtatiousness in her old VO script (we kept a few lines, of course. _Dangerous eyes_ is iconic). The schmaltz is... it's a lot. It's a lot of schmaltz. In the course of gathering feedback on many, many drafts of the GGMF/base scripts, we also found something peculiar. About half the Rioters who looked at MF saw her as much more roguish and violent, while the other half liked her much more on the flirtatious side. Lean to far into either category and the other half of players would divorce themselves from her fantasy, while if you tried to ride the middle neither side would be completely happy. This was tested in player labs with very similar results. Early drafts of GGMF leaned into the flirty-dangerous persona, a more playful read I liked because it better represented the Lady Snowblood/Cowboy Bebop/BubbleGum Crisis vibe I was trying to hit for the Steel Valkyries thematic. The feedback? **Where is the violence? Where is the viciousness? We like her flirty, but where is that ruthless side?** So we went back to the drawing board and added a few more ruthless lines. The ones that worked best had a very distinct tonal shift -- she'd start at flirtatious, then shift her range into a darker, more threatening tone. The fantasy worked when she was always in control of the situation and knew it 100%, and that confidence was reflected in her dialogue -- whether she was flirting, fighting, or both. That changed the game, and I think it was reflected really well in our Gun Goddess performance. Jokes are also good. Now, take this with a grain of salt because the version of MF I was working on lives in a crapsack galaxy full of space pirates, but I think she works best when the two distinct sides of her personality -- flirty and murdery --- are interwoven with a degree of self-confidence bordering on necessity. MF as a character needs that mountain of confidence because if she loses it, if she wavers even a little, she'll lose the aura of fear and respect around her and be killed in under an hour - she knows this, and plays everyone accordingly. That means her sexuality, her power, her decision making, her ruthlessness, her ability to deliberately drop a dude pleading for his life and dump him into the bay -- it all needs to be tied into this aura of extreme confidence, like she could never be wrong no matter what decision she's making, and no matter what mask she's wearing at the time. Like even though she's not forcing you to fall for her, her presence is so commanding that you could never say no. For GGMF, this was basically her exosuit. "The sex _is_ the suit," as one of the other writers put it. For base MF? I'd say it's almost like a suit of invincible armor, except it's just Sarah Fortune playing you. My two cents.
That rational is why I love the skin. Thank you.
: So far, player facing, I think we've established: **Piltover/Zaun**: Gold hexes, silver gears, and bronze washers. **Bilgewater**: Golden krakens and silver serpents. There was also a coin mentioned in the Rek'Sai teaser diary from Noxus, but I think we might see about tweaking the name of that a little bit. There are other types of currencies, but those are the ones that I know of being player facing so far. Also the 'cogs' thing is a slang term for money - as Helixarrow says, it's like saying 'cash'.
You mean Zaun folk don’t literally pay with cogs? There goes my headcanon.
: What do you want to see in Miss Fortune's Voiceover Update?
I think the Gun Goddess skin is a great blend of wanting revenge, but being a fun, and potentially flirtatious character. Sadly, her lore involves her having to constantly struggle against everything, so I’m not sure that can work in a voice update.
: > [{quoted}](name=Zaun Overdrive,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Tn0J4NK7,comment-id=00000003000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-05T18:58:01.193+0000) > > I'd say more like a global mind,like if the city and it's inhabitants were to live as one,or maybe something even more complex You are both getting close.
Ocean spirits that exist as a hive mind, or a larger scale conglomerate of spirits like Kalista?
: This one's tricky as there are a couple schools of thought about their relationship. I would say that what revived Pyke knows Naga.K (great abbreviation), and might even regard NGK as a deity. What revived Pyke was not a deity itself, though.
So there’s a sunken city, that can revive people, knows NGK, but isn’t a god? Ocean spirits, like Maokai?
: There's only so many times I can keep insisting that players tell me they want more content. I think the Publishing teams and Product Owners just don't believe me anymore... {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
Who do we tweet to?
GenoXx (NA)
: Don't forget killed by Lust - Evelynn. She got that one guy in Bilgewater.
: YES! The Swimming City is not a figment of Pyke's imagination. However, I'm not sure Pyke being crazy and being used by some force are mutually exclusive. In fact, one is the result of the other, especially when a death and resurrection is tossed in the mix... can do some messed up things to the mind. What I loved about working on Pyke is that he cares little about the origin of his powers. He doesn't really question them at all. Also: you're picking up on a LOT of the hints in Pyke's VO/Color/Bio and connecting the dots. Nice work :)
Can’t confirm or deny I know, but is there a chance that what revived Pyke is similar to Naga.K? A deity of the hunt?
: Any/all. Official Riot YouTube comments sections, social media accounts, emails directly. :-)
I’m not saying there shouldn’t be stuff like this, but why do I have to keep going through third party sites for Riot’s attention? Seems like it’s more effective than their own boards, which feels bad.
: That doesn't answer the question. If not you, what's the proper avenue to give that feedback? Support ticket? That seems... a tad over-kill.
Things like Twitter though that raises the question as to whom we send it to?
potchiker (EUW)
: It's more of a third or second item now
Meddler (NA)
: We believe quite a few marksmen should be swapping to an early BotRK, in the same way many of them did after 7.5 last year. Assumption is that StormRazor, BotRK and Rageblade are likely to be the most common starts, with a few champs also going other options like Tear (Ez), Triforce (Corki), possibly Bloodthirster (Draven?) or Lethality (MF?) etc.
Is Essence Reaver not a good starting item now?
: Thanks for taking time to share your feedback! As Pyke's writer, I'd say that a lot of your criticisms were intentional choices in delivery and writing... there is a reason for a good chunk of the BLoodharbor Ripper's psychosis. I respect that it didn't resonate with you, and hope our next offerings make you happier. TBH, we were way more afraid of Kalista overlap than Nautilus (boy did I underestimate that).
Eh. Kalista is more like a deity of vengeance to me. She almost lost all sense of herself. Pyke is doing this for personal reasons that he can barely remember, targeting anyone.
: I think his new Universe quote sums him up perfectly: “You people can’t even breathe water. You’re boring.” I genuinely don't think he means to cause harm... but he also doesn't quite understand humans, or how they work.
Is Lars’ depiction of him even true? You’ve made it a point to say narrators aren’t reliable, and he seemed to have a connection to Pyke. Even the video description emphasized pulling fact from fiction.
edoxbox1 (EUW)
: I dont trust it. And if i can have it in Italian, i pref it. Sry.
edoxbox1 (EUW)
: 3 of 6 (5), i'm stupid or i dont see the other 3 (2) ? :v
You can turn on closed captioning on the YouTube videos.
: > [{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=notQH6QA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-05-31T21:47:13.743+0000) > > Is there a singer in his music, or do the violins mimic that? There is a singer in there - together with electric violin and cello!
It’s one of my favorite parts of the song. I love how you add some extra sound to make each piece memorable. Kayn and Urgot chants, Warwick howling, and so much more.
: Hey Tredu23! Thanks for the kind words <3 Glad you like Pyke's music. We'll make sure to release Pyke's music in an upcoming sheet music release. Stay tuned! It'll be sooner than later. Ed the Conqueror P.S.: for clarity's sake, while I did write Kindred's music, the amazing Chemicalseb penned Camille's login music
Is there a singer in his music, or do the violins mimic that?
: Remarkably, all three of those are pretty far from the bottom of the list... :-)
Like vgus, is there any sort of tier list that you could share?
: > [{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Apu9NoEs,comment-id=001e00000000000000020001,timestamp=2018-05-25T13:20:35.521+0000) > > Don&#x27;t Fiora and Miss Fortune deal with gender discrimination? There&#x27;s also class and national discrimination in Runeterra. Wouldn&#x27;t that lead players to believe that there&#x27;s other forms of discrimination, or that it&#x27;s the default? Fiora deals with mild discrimination not based on her gender, but based on the fact that her father was a shameful fraud and her house is disgraced. She overthrew her father and is seeking to restore the honor to her household. Miss Fortune, also, doesn't deal with discrimination. Bilgewater is cutthroat, and those who can shoot first survive. She deals with the other cutthroat pirate lords of Bilgewater, who would kill her just as quickly as they'd kill any of the other pirate lords. It's not discrimination if it's all clan politics and wholesale distrust and hatred.
I'm pretty sure Fiora's new lore addresses gender expectations, and how they don't feel a woman can run her family's house. You haven't read MF's latest comic, or her animated sketch?
: > [{quoted}](name=Ifneth,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=kEEfIVAz,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-05-24T06:46:40.870+0000) > > Azir’s reign led to decades of war, the everpresence of slavery, and Shurima’s descent into destruction and chaos. I shudder to imagine a worse leader. > > Moreover, he did not lead. He _ruled_. At the points of his army’s spears, the Shuriman people were made to bow in terror. Not again. It is time for people to rule themselves... On a personal level I think you're totes wrong, and characterizing Azir in a very unfair way. However, I'm loving this conversation so I've upvoted you. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} ###Bioluminescence's Opinion: Azir was **_truly revolutionary_** in his time - seeking to end what might have been hundreds of years of institutionalized slavery. I also think it's not entirely fair to blame him for the fall of the Empire and the resultant suffering it brought when he was betrayed by what he thought was a close childhood friend. I'd argue that he, amongst all the obvious candidates, is the best suited to rule (having being trained in statecraft since he was a boy) but that we have yet to see how he is able to adapt to this very new geopolitical and cultural situation he's found himself transported to - AS WELL AS having a whole bunch of new powers that he never had before, as an Ascended. I could maybe see Taliyah become a trusted advisor? Helping him get up to speed on how things are done this century could be critically important. Even so, she has no training in such things - he main strengths are a strong moral compass and actually having traveled outside of Shurima.
To be fair, in the eyes of a slave, "working" to end slavery isn't as good as flat out ending it.
: "Have you written queer characters for League, though?" Not yet, but I'm new. :-) > [{quoted}](name=Lawd Dawg,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Apu9NoEs,comment-id=001e000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-23T00:05:51.901+0000) > > You gotta think about it this way. It&#x27;s easy to just write a lbgtq character, but they have to fit in. Let&#x27;s take Demacia for example. Their strict and hate all sorts of change, especially magic. For an lgbtq character to be Demacian, they&#x27;d probably have to keep it in secret for fear of reprisals. Same probably with Noxus, though I would think that if they had a character who was immensely powerful and loyal to Noxus, they could get away with it. > >[...] > > Point is, they can&#x27;t just create a random queer character, they have to find a place for that character, and a background that makes sense. And then that character probably has to beat a dozen other character ideas in order to become a character. Wanted to respond to two points here: 1) The idea that to write a character that's LBGTQ means they "have to fit in" or justify their existence is fundamentally a flawed assumption. You're holding the bar for POC and minority characters higher than straight, "white" characters because in games for a long time, "straight, white, male" was the default and the assumption. But why do we default to that? We don't bat an eye when a character are those things, but the instant it's something else (a woman, a queer character, etc.) there's infinite scrutiny and complaints that they "don't make sense." 2) The idea that Runeterra (or any fantastical world) defaults to homophobia, or traditional gender roles and dude-led kingdoms and governments, seems awfully limited from an imagination standpoint. We as writers have the privilege and responsibility to build this world from scratch; why can't it be better than our own? Demacia may repress magic, but why must that also mean it is against certain expressions of love? Noxus is a place where merit and strength is more important than anything. Many people have said "I don't care about a character's sexuality, just their skills and abilities." I see no place that's more true than Noxus.
Don't Fiora and Miss Fortune deal with gender discrimination? There's also class and national discrimination in Runeterra. Wouldn't that lead players to believe that there's other forms of discrimination, or that it's the default?
Meddler (NA)
: Supports are down noticeably more gold than the other positions as you'd expect. Breakdown looks roughly like this at 35 minutes: Top -325 Mid -260 Jungle -250 (though with the largest variance depending on the champion in question) Bot -250 Support -420
Yikes. Are supports weak due to this, or at the appropriate level?
: So I'm gonna be totally honest. (buckle up) When Pyke was entering pre-production, narrative was also looking at Nautilus's lore. He along with Fizz and a few other champs were still outliers from our recon / current lore. And there **was** concern Pyke was too close to Nautilus. But internally, our leads felt that Pyke hit the "revenant" thematic better than Nautilus. Then the plan was to change Nautilus's lore significantly-- prior to Pyke's release. --And actually they were going to change Nautilus to something I pitched to solve the problem. (Namely: Nautilus was a person seeking redemption within the cult of Nagakabouros. He was a man that had agreed to have his soul placed in a sacred golem. An extremely difficult and lonely duty working as a sentinel for as long as he could keep... going.) Internally teams loved it. **BUT** that pitch was then taken to players with a rather larger survey and... the players hated it. They wanted Nautilus to stay a revenant. Yeah. Uh.. oh.. By now Pyke was well into production (and VO) and it was uncertain how / who was going to fix Nautilus. (And I was on another project) My assumption was that Matt did not know what Nautilus was going to be (or that Naut was going to stay the same) when he wrote the lines for Pyke-- so he avoided the character-- because he didn't have anything to write towards.
So, why was Nautilus's potential change pitched to players? Is that usually a thing with potential champion retcons, or a one time deal?
: Support diversity with the Rainbow Fluft Icon
: > [{quoted}](name=NemeBro,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AJcIJZ0Z,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-16T21:33:02.387+0000) > > Why doesn&#x27;t he have voice lines for almost anyone? His VO is ridiculously bare-bones. Don&#x27;t expect Riot to respond to any threads about it though. Rioters are cowards who flee in the face of criticism. I posted about this a couple times now. I am a coward (bugs. I hate bugs. Especially butterflies), but not in the face of criticism. Also, Pyke and Nautilus haven't crossed paths. The bottom of the sea is a huge place. Very easy for drowned folk to miss each other. EDIT for clarity: this isn't to say that they will never cross paths, but just to say that I perhaps underestimated the passion of Nautilus mains when writing VO. Lesson learned. EVERY CHAMP WILL HAVE NAUTILUS INTERACTIONS FROM NOW ON.
So Pyke doesn't hang around Bilgewater much?
: Holy shit. Diana is a pirate. A dark pirate. WITH A (MOONSILVER) GUNBLADE I didn't know how much I've wanted this until now.
Reav3 (NA)
: The waters around Bilgewater are pretty big, and pretty scary so Naut isn't the only one to have come back from those deeps. I would wait until all the lore is released though as I think both Pyke and Naut play out much differently even if there are some similarities. There are many Champions who originate from the void, for example, even if they play out differently despite there origins.
So Naut is still a man left by his crew to drown? Even if how he survives and what he does with his life is different from Pyke's?
Reav3 (NA)
: He did the base splashes for Warwick, Yorick. Galio, Swain, Urgot He is currently working on the new Aatrox base splash aswell
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