: What Champions would you like to see featured if Riot created a new Cinematic?
Rodsquad (EUW)
: Is Twitch the only nonmagical creature in League?
Twitch is the size of a human child. Do you know how terrifying that is?
Rioter Comments
: Well when its confirmed by Riot that he literally does **not** care about serious romance in any way, shape, or form, its confirmed by Riot. There's no "its tricky with Jhin because he could be anything." Riot essentially described him as an Asexual and pretty much said the only thing he derives sexual pleasure from is killing people. He only loves the art.
: > [{quoted}](name=ChunLii,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O7NAXjBs,comment-id=000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T17:46:20.724+0000) > > Funny you should mention that because I did write why Jayce doesn’t show hints of high functioning autism. Note even though I say AS here they don’t give that diagnosis any more and simply called high function autism. > > https://imgur.com/a/J0HvkiL I'm on the spectrum too, I even have a mother who was embarassed at how weird I was! (Oh how much she suffered because her son would rather play Diablo 2 then deal with the family parties) So a few points on your post in order of the bullet marks 1.) I don't recall him doing anything of the sort, I actually recall him just wanting her to BTFO while he worked, then vik attacked.. but vik and jayce always attack eachother 2.) It's likely that someone who's not on the spectrum wrote the story, so the nitpicking.. which I don't intend offensively.. might be a little heavy. 3.) That exact perspective is the number one reason, many people on the spectrum have the exact same issue, they're so mechanically minded that they piss people off all the time. I've said that I can compliment someone's outfit and be taken as telling them their outfit the day before was bad. 4.) Aspies have emotion, it's generally social ques that elude aspies, and the ability to directly relate. Not understanding emotion is more on the psycho spectrum. Not being able to read emotion doesn't say you can't feel it. People say "Low in empathy" but usually they actually mean "Low in empathetic comprehension" I and other aspies that I know in real life have a similar issue in which we often just don't realize something soon enough about emotional impact.
1. Actually if you read Quick-Fix he was anticipating an attack. Relevant points: "Jayce had prepared for this. He'd run experiments on Viktor’s discarded automata. He'd intercepted the mechanical communications. Any second, they’d beat down his front door and try to rip away his hextech hammer. After that, they'd try to do the same with his skull. “Try” being the operative word." “My soldier broke,” she said, proffering a limp metal knight, its arm bent backward at a perverse angle. Jayce didn’t move. “Please leave or you’ll probably die.” This obviously shows Jayce was anticipating an attack and wanted her out of there or she will die. 2. Burch never stated Jayce had some sort of miscommunication problem but that he was so arrogant and thought he was better than anyone else which led to him not wanting to work with other people. Unless a rioter stated that their intention was Jayce HFA then we can't dwell more on this point. 3. Jayce isn't trying to be nice. He doesn't want to be courteous. Isn't and doesn't want make a huge difference. It would make a point if Jayce was trying to be nice but just appeared rude which is not point of his character 4. You're not really addressing my point here. Expand please
: Neeko is the only confirmed Lesbian. Valmar an Kai are the only confirmed Homosexuals(and no these 2 being his vessel doesn't make Varus gay, the Darkin have their own minds and bodies and they will take over their host(s) and twist them to their image over time). Jhin is "gun/kill-sexual", as confirmed by Riot in his Q&A, but people mostly consider him to be Asexual. He doesn't understand love like we do and feels no real romantic/sexual attraction towards anyone. Any "attraction" that he does show is an act to lull someone into a false sense of security so he can kill them. Basically, Jhin doesn't care about love or sex or anything like that. All he cares about is the art. Other than that, its mostly just speculation/fan theories, or running jokes, if I'm not mistaken.
Oh man I love Jhin but its tricky with him because he is a very disturbed serial killer and some people might consider that as a mean representation of any sexuality. Hell, even the straight ship Sona x Jhin bothers some people.
AIQ (NA)
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Please do tell where I said Varus's previous lore was good writing. No, it was generic as fuck but his new lore is just as bad but in a different way.
AIQ (NA)
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So we can't ever have any gay representation ever even if a man's husband is an important part of their lives? You're starting to sound low-key homophobic It is 100% the bad writing because otherwise explain the great representation in Eastern art.
: > [{quoted}](name=ChunLii,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O7NAXjBs,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T17:27:41.260+0000) > Jayce as a ladies man? What? Where? Show me where Jayce flirted with one female. Even in his BA skin they put both men and women fawning over him. Even though this doesn’t say anything about Jayce himself it shows that Riot isn’t pushing a ladies man angle. > jayce is hinted more at being an aspie, which fits with riot's old edgy lore where they would often make jokes that rustle jimmies. But Jayce is known to be an arrogant recluse with a savior complex
Funny you should mention that because I did write why Jayce doesn’t show hints of high functioning autism. Note even though I say AS here they don’t give that diagnosis any more and simply called high function autism. https://imgur.com/a/J0HvkiL
: > [{quoted}](name=ChunLii,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=O7NAXjBs,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-07-18T16:17:09.589+0000) > > Ugh no. I don't see Garen and Jarvan or Swain and Darius as having any sort of romantic relationship. Although I do know one popular artist who promotes the latter but _personally_ I don't see it. And yet you see TF, who was already canonically involved with Evelynn, and Graves. Jayce, who's a ladies-man with Viktor, Vi and Caitlin who are close because they're literally police partners. And Leona who is chasing Diana because she wants to apologize and explain what she knows. Other people's ships have no less merit than your own. Granted, neither you nor them have any merit.
See Fasmodey’s post on TF and Graves Also TF could be bi fyi. Bisexuality is a thing on top Eve and TF meeting not being canon any more. Jayce as a ladies man? What? Where? Show me where Jayce flirted with one female. Even in his BA skin they put both men and women fawning over him. Even though this doesn’t say anything about Jayce himself it shows that Riot isn’t pushing a ladies man angle. Vi and Caitlyn + Leona and Diana have been teased by rioters it’s not just me.
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1. A lot of people are well aware of Azir's polygamy through his harem and find it interesting. 2. You can't use Shyvana and Warwick when their sexuality is unknown. There is nothing more to say than that. I have no opinion either way. The pairings I listed 3/4 were hinted at by a rioter(s). One is just popular in the fandom I must admit. But if you want to talk about straight representation when it's already so common go ahead I won't stop you. Have you ever read a manga with LGTBQ+ representation? This is the type of representation I want in League. They are just like any other people not this ridiculous two gays in one body with a darkin I don't care about Overwatch so not going to comment on that part
AIQ (NA)
: Qiyanna is not black (I don't think) rather more like an Aztec, or a Brazilian maybe from long about, definitely South American. Or Middle eastern, Egyptian.
Some people say she is black even though she is clearly not. Had to clarify.
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Azir is an interesting case because he is not a monogamous heterosexual as he is a polygamous heterosexual as he had a harem of women. This is actually very different than what is acceptable in Western media today as polygamy is as immoral and bad. Just look at how much people make fun of mormons for their polygamy. I think Azir is a good different representation of this actually. Shyvana sexuality is unknown and no Jarvan and Shyvana isn’t actually thing in the lore. She is not a straight representation. I know very little about Warwick so not going to comment there. Again the writing makes all the difference. See how LGTBQ+ representation in a lot of mangas is organic and natural.
: Can you show me where a Rioter teased them? And were they a part of the narrative team? I think most Rioters are aware of the most popular ships and often reference them, but I don't think they are always serious. All of the pairs you listed are also Champions that just have some kind of relationship in the lore, not necessarily romantic. Of course any future stories teased are going to involve the other in some capacity.
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/O7NAXjBs-aside-from-varus-as-lgtbq-representation-here-are-some-other-champions-that-could-serve?comment=0008000000000000 See Fasmodey's post on Graves and Twisted Fate. He said it way better than I ever could. In Piltover ama they hinted that Vi is bi and that the relationship between Caitlyn and Vi is closer than you might think. Of course this was done by narrative team. For Diana and Leona a former Rioter stated the internal team loved them as a pairing and also the subtle hints in their legendary skins.
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>Why would you want characters exclusively defined by who they want to have sex with? I don't want this though. >The problem with gay characters is that, that is what makes them a character. Maybe under a bad writer.
AIQ (NA)
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I'm all for more black representation in the game. Especially badass black chicks. That new chick doesn't count she is childlish brat. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/EIbZuhWM7Rs/maxresdefault.jpg
: Are you romantically involved with all of your friends? Just because two fictional characters were friends or comrades at some point does not mean they were lovers. That goes for men and women as well. And women and blob monsters (since apparently ONE commission of Zac x Riven hentai made _that_ a thing). No, they shouldn't put your ships into the lore. They also shouldn't put Goku in the game. Any other fanfictions we need to address? (and as far as "representation", if you want to go for _actual_ representation-- that is, proportional to the real world-- we would already have more than enough at 1 champion. But lucky for you, we have 2.)
Ugh no. I don't see Garen and Jarvan or Swain and Darius as having any sort of romantic relationship. Although I do know one popular artist who promotes the latter but _personally_ I don't see it.
: Most of your suggestions feel too fanservice-y rather than actual legitimate candidates. Half of your suggestions are enemies or former enemies. I feel like that would reflect poorly on LGBT+ relationships rather than be good representation. These are popular ships, rather than legitimate suggestions with any story beats or reason backing them up. I know that characters don't need a strict "reason" to be gay, but I think injecting romance into any of these stories, gay or straight, would be detrimental and/or pandering, rather than natural story beats. Most Champions aren't involved in romantic relationships, so its entirely possible that some of them ARE LGBT+ but its not relevant to their story, so it isn't mentioned. I think stories can be just as strong with platonic relationships anyways. People can just be close friends, too. Also Neeko was confirmed to be more attracted to girls than guys. She's probably the most organic representation we have. Doesn't feel tacked on to an existing Champ, she just is attracted more to women.
3/4 ships I listed was teased by a rioter or group of rioters. Only the Jayce/Viktor wasn't teased by a rioter (as far as I'm aware) but is more popular in fandom so they are well aware of those ships.
Rioter Comments
: Paperback is the best that you will get however there are online versions as well as other purchase options and you can read about them [here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/ZNXqyVAp-reminder-ashe-warmother-comic-preorder-and-purchasereading-options)
Yeah I already have all digital versions. A shame there is no hardcover but thanks for the confirmation at least.
Rioter Comments
: As I mentioned, we don't know who wants J4 to get married. J4 could want to get married, or think he does, in order to become a proper king. Or he could want to get married to someone specific, and is pitching the idea of his wanting to get married in order to not simply dump the news out of complete left field on his family. Or it could be his father who is demanding he take a wife, etc. The wording isn't wrong or bad.
It’s too general and open to interpretation which is what I don’t like about it.
: Except Tiana Crownguard is stated to directly work for Jarvan IV, which means they're not rumors if she's directly privy to that information. And her wording could have meant anything, from Jarvan III indicating that he's commanded his son to find a wife, to Jarvan IV dropping veiled hints that he wants to get married and might possibly already have someone in mind.
I still hate the wording. It should been made clear to the readers that’s it J3 whole wants his son to get married. If it’s J4 himself then bad Riot bad.
: There obviously isn't any intention to. Garen and Tiana saw a marriage between Lux and Jarvan IV as a means to protect Lux from the oppressive mage haters in Demacian society. It would have been for political purposes ONLY. And also if it wasn't apparent to you, this doesn't even remotely come to fruition due to the rampant destruction of the Demacian capital we are shown at the beginning of the comic.
I would have the changed the wording to there are rumours the King is scouting for a potential marriage for his son instead of Jarvan IV himself looking to get married. It would have been much better.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Marc Bowman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=2LFFn9At,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-10T11:03:31.917+0000) > > It’s simple: Riot doesn’t care about Demacia and Shyvana in particular. It’s also a huge disrespect to Jellbug (Jarvan and Shyvana writer) to not give it to her to shorten both bios but instead the editorial which is what happened with Jarvan and Shyvana too I’m sure. Yeah I would find it disrespectful if I was the writer, but for a sec I thought Jellbug was like the combined name/ship name of j4 and shyv. Don't ask me why I thought that I must be extremely tired and out of my mind xd. But I still think that would a cute way to reference the two characters in a single name.
Riot hates the ship from the new bios I saw. I already made a post about it. It’s too painful for me to think about it right now. Maybe time will heal.
: Final statement on Shyvana's bio (Still no response by Riot)
It’s simple: Riot doesn’t care about Demacia and Shyvana in particular. It’s also a huge disrespect to Jellbug (Jarvan and Shyvana writer) to not give it to her to shorten both bios but instead the editorial which is what happened with Jarvan and Shyvana too I’m sure.
: Please give Sona & Xin Zhao some new lore
: Strange, I've seen versions of it in even the tamest subreddits and no one bats an eye. Three months ago Tharizdun was memeitng about it in the lore tournament thread and all was fine. Mods can you shed some clarity?
Beta males get triggered by it.
MeilinII (NA)
: Normally I'll defend Riot lore, but this is just stupid. One, Shuys lore was still relatively new, two, it removes dragon dad, and three, it makes it so Shuy killed her mom herself and not together with J4 and the villagers. it's the togetherness that made the story. Rito WTF
Riot has been trying super hard to destroy Shyvana x Jarvan ship lately. First that Neeko flirt line to Shyvana without mentioning Jarvan, then Jarvan’s whole detachment from Shyvana in his own bio (they spent long time in the village together in old lore but in the new lore they never did), then this of course. I don’t understand, Shyvana x Jarvan was never canon but it had potential to be so like why would try to distant them so coldly like this. Let shippers such as me ship without making me feel like shit. And worse it also destroys a platonic relationship in the process.
: Legendary Jhin
In late summer or early fall.
: The gays would cry if they confirmed Kat x Garen. Or at least me.
Well, at least you’re honest
: Why would they? Hell, I'm queer and I'm in total support of seeing some actual fleshed our relationships in league, be it LGBT or straight.
Are you gay or bisexual though? You know some aggressive gays also hate bisexuals.
: {{champion:126}} hears songs coming from his hammer.
Technically it’s from the crystal, the power source for the hammer, than the actual hammer
Aribailo (NA)
: I hope this symbolizes Riot wanting to explore a story like this rather than proof that it's cancelled in its entirety.
For this particular project they wouldn’t allow him to talk about it if the project was just on hold. The fact that he is allowed is the sad truth that’s it’s been cancelled as opposed to on haitus.
  Rioter Comments
: Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the fans have a better grasp of the writers own timeline than the writers do.
Merely a few weeks ago they stated it **MIGHT** be canon in the **FUTURE**. They already went back on their word.
: They will start the invasion then another universe retcon will happen xD
Nah that’s the DC thing to retcon the whole universe. Riot seems to go for more of a Marvel approach to retcon it subliminally.
: > [{quoted}](name=PTZekrom69,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Aqvme1mt,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-22T12:26:08.783+0000) > > Riot never released it to the public Aw man rip
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/f4rA8EGP-jhins-alternative-color-story
: Ashe: Warmother. Issue 3 Comixology and Marvel extended editions.
: A Critique on Scathlocke/Lore Team's view on Good and Evil
I’ve said it before. Here is list of darker characters that Riot did well making morally gray while still staying respectful to the character: Camille, Zed, Viktor, Swain. They should look back at what makes these characters so good and well-written. Also Riot is in some sort of weird mentality that an outright villain is a poor character and people won’t like it. Look at Jhin, a lot of people find his character interesting and love him for it. (in fact much more than Sylas who is a really poor example of the morally grey trope). Sylas is a poor example of morally grey because he is either one extreme or the other. He is either sympathetic or a terrorist. There is no middle ground with him. All he is there is to make Demacia look bad through his overreacting personality and of course when he a terrorist manchild it’s blamed on oh so tragic past.
: I don't think that makes him more or less good, it just deletes part of the tension of the situation.
It does though. It makes Jarvan and everyone else in court a hypocrite. Hypocrisy is bad. It’s also a really and reflection on Demacia.
: My only information came from the brackets next to your name. Anyway, lets not discuss over what morality is in different regions/nations, it's a mine field. Again, my main concern is that what happened to Kayle is also happening to every1 else, it's not just a "making things deeper and less black&white", it's making every good character building a dark side that usually becomes their dominant factor hidden behind a look of holyness. I'm really concerned about anything that used to display a chivalrius or "holy" characteristics being turned into the Spanish Inquisition and I'm seeing this happening for every1, especially in Demacia. I know there are examples of "pureness" but thos are really minor and usually turn into: being victim of the situation (Lux), being deluded about the state of things (Garen), being too innocent and dumb (Galio). There is no redeeming factor in any Demacian that isn't Taric (and he doens't seem to get the spotlight anywhere, he's basically unexistant). There is also J4 but that's still someting building up.
Jarvan was ruined to. Now everyone in court knows Shyvana is well Shyvana and they don’t get rid of her because of J4’s influence. It makes Jarvan less of a good character who was taking a huge risk with Shyvana’s real identity and is now more of a hypocrite.
: Riot writers, what do you have against the "usual" good guys?
Examples of good moral ambiguity for the darker character of League: Camille, Viktor, Zed, Swain Examples of bad moral ambiguity for the dark characters of League: Sylas, Morgana, Syndra. Notice how all these three are recent.
: > [{quoted}](name=Marc Bowman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nNn5t0Eb,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-05T20:16:15.811+0000) > > Lol you’re going to bring real world medicinal realism to a world like Runeterra? That’s hilarious. And no I never said it was because it’s unrelaistic for her to die but that’s it’s poor writing. > > Tell me how it makes sense for Jarvan to get triggered by Noxian concepts when he literally fought them so many times? And the empirical makes way more sense than the theoretical. The fantasy aspect only comes into play for the people who actually fucking use it, so... YES. "Lol you're going to apply magic to the people who don't fucking use magic" You didn't say how it was poor writing. You just said you don't like it. As it is, it's not poor writing. Poor writing would've been to give him no motivation, or make his father randomly die and have his mother strict with him despite the fact Demacia is a traditional monarchy. Not everyone gets desensitized by violence. It's just as likely a reaction that someone would grow more and more sensitive as the bodies pile up. Hell, the new wording that _you_ quoted makes that make a lot more sense. "Shaken" isn't any stronger than "troubled deeply". They're essentially the same magnitude. But "carnage" and "faces of the dead" are completely different in magnitude. Carnage implies some of the bodies no longer even had recognizable faces.
It’s makes zero sense for Jarvan to suddenly be triggered by Noxian expansion when he has fought then so many times already (old lore it was first time contact). The Noxians didn’t particularly anything newly extreme so it’s just out of no where and does not make any psychological sense. The death of his mother is just poor writing in my personal opinion because it’s killing off a mother figure for no purpose than to answers questions. It’s using her as a plot device.
: A woman dying at childbirth in a country that refuses to use magic, and by extension any of the magic-powered technology available... You seriously take issue with a realistic situation? You're seriously accusing the writers of being sexist when it isn't there. That's fucking sick. Aside from that, you can't just say the part that rephrases his experiences is just "thrown in" as if it was an afterthought. You not liking the new wording doesn't mean it isn't there.
Lol you’re going to bring real world medicinal realism to a world like Runeterra? That’s hilarious. And no I never said it was because it’s unrelaistic for her to die but that’s it’s poor writing. Tell me how it makes sense for Jarvan to get triggered by Noxian concepts when he literally fought them so many times? And the empirical makes way more sense than the theoretical.
: > [{quoted}](name=Marc Bowman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nNn5t0Eb,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-05T19:45:22.318+0000) > > He is attacking Noxians because of his reputation and family pride instead of old lore seeing all the horrible stuff Noxians did that caused him to act. family = demacia
He attacked because of his great grandfather...
: It's refrigerator. Also "One 'Jarvan was determined to prove himself.' "I’m sorry, but this makes Jarvan very selfish and arrogant" Umm im sorry, did I miss something? Lmao someone wanting to prove themself, in a position where you are indeed suppose to try and prove yourself is now selfish and arrogant hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
He is attacking Noxians because of his reputation and family pride instead of old lore seeing all the horrible stuff Noxians did that caused him to act.
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EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Marc Bowman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8335Gn6s,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-01-30T15:38:13.929+0000) > > The way he is written and his personality bother me a lot more. He is like badly written Viktor. Sylas is like Viktor if Viktor was a overly sensitive manchild. It’s hard to take him seriously when he is such a joke. Viktor is anti-villain done well, Sylas is not. Turmoil cemented everything wrong with Sylas. Keep in mind that Viktor is well-educated and has had the resources to create a systematic for-the-people ideology. Sylas has had no such luxuries; he's got brain enough to break out of prison, but ideologically, he just wants to create anarchy in Demacia and has no concept of the consequences it will have on the nation, its people, or his own group of mages. He's just angry and wants to turn the tide that has been pushing against him all his life. He might not be as smart as Viktor, but I don't think he's supposed to be. I too would prefer him to be more subtle and coercingly convincing with his ideologies, but if he were, it probably wouldn't make sense, and then we'd be complaining about that instead.
He is making it worse and harder to reach his goals because of his actions that have very little planning. He comes across as an idiot who just acts on his emotions. Like one of the brainwashed followers he might be leading except he is not a leader he is that brainwashed follower... It’s bad writing. Nobody asked for 9000 IQ character just not a joke.
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