Wacky9 (NA)
: It actually is why the pool in botlane remains small and always has. Snowballing in bot lane involves two people instead of one. Small differences add up when you're dealing with more gold for two players, most xp for two players, the ability of two players to roam. Given two adcs, having a slightly more meta character can make a large difference as these difference are exaggerated throughout the game.
What you say isn't wrong but thats just what I have a problem with tbh since meta champs these days have kits that eliminate the majority of weaknesses other champs have.
: Triforce is better for Ezreal Right now
Both items imo are good depending on the circumstances, like you said. Iceborn ezreal, although annoying to face against, allows ezreal more survivability against ad champs like qiyana, zed, and other adc champs whereas you can build triforce if you're feeling confident enough for better damage. Just my take on those 2 choices.
: Yeah sadly even tho the game is actually fairly balanced overall rn. The current player base will only play the strongest champs. But hey that's how it goes
I wouldn't go as far as to call the game balanced, but balance isn't really an issue for me cause I came to an understanding that Riot's stance on balancing is that the best experience comes from an unbalanced game, which I disagree with, but I made a post before and thats what people have been telling me
: > [{quoted}](name=Cosmochris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1PE67TJA,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-16T19:01:20.637+0000) > > kind of wish I can play others without having my teammates calling me a troll here is where /fullmute all comes in handy :)
Personally prefer to communicate but I really should make it a habit to mute all tbh.
: While Kai'Sa is very much overly common... I have not seen a lot of Karthus, and Irelia is usually banned so I dunno how often they'd be picked. I see more Jinx and Xayah than Ez personally. Have seen some Jhin, Ashe, Varus as well. You can play whatever you want, as long as you know how to do it and it fits the role needed for the team. I got stomped by a Kalista a few weeks back... I doubt their team accused them of trolling.
Xayah is definitely an ad I see a lot too I just didn't think of her atm xD but yeah people won't flame you if you're doing well even with a blitz mid.
GilxeN (EUW)
: Champs I see: Jungle: Vi, Kha'Zix, Rengar, Evelynn, thats all. Top: Somehow mixed, Darius, Jax, some Poppy players, Malphite (FULL AP BROKEN SHIT ofc). Mid: Sylas, Zed, Talon, some popular mages. Bot: Kai'Sa (every game), Jhin, Cait, Ezreal Support: Thresh, some Zyras', Brand's.
Top and support is an interesting area because people can play adc or support top (vayne, draven, karma, not so much but lulu, etc) and supports can consist of mages, healers, engage, peel, and then there is pyke.
Lovelle (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SIayton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1PE67TJA,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-09-17T09:33:33.990+0000) > > Why play the champions with less tools when the new shit with dashes and stuns and heals and team fight ults and burst dps is just as good? Everyone does insane damage so basically mobility to avoid being caught and CC to catch the folks with mobility and you're set. There's definitely design power creep right now so many of the old champs don't fit in with the new game. > > I mean you CAN choose them, but it's just making it harder for yourself. I personally find most of the new champs boring. Compared to the older champs, it's like they practically play themselves, as they have nearly everything they need built into their kits. All you need is damage and CDR to make them work, which both itemization and runes provide a ton of.
Amen. This is the main problem I am having right now with the current meta.
: Meh, I see this in Ranked yeah. Because everyone there is doing their best to win. And the best players are able to figure out whats good (Either research via youtube or just intuition via patch notes) If you are able to change who you play every time a patch hits and the top tier is new then you are more likely to win In normals though, people play who they like for the fun of it. There will always be a meta.
Yeah I don't really blame the players for picking the same champion pool. I just don't really like how the new meta consists of champions with overloaded kits like Kai sa, that negates the need for counterpicking cause one champion does all.
Jesi Oni (EUNE)
: Ezreal (ADC) have high popularity but one of lowest win ratios as well... So its hard to blame Riot for players taste.
I remember ezreal being picked 100% of my games a couple patches ago and it was the most exhausting thing to see.
Augean (NA)
: I think that almost everyone that reads this/ agrees with this guy doesn't play those champions. Personally I see a lot of {{champion:55}} {{champion:498}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:11}}. I think the champions I "see the most" are the ones that I struggle with so I remember them more than other champions. All the champions you have listed are S tier, are played in pro play, or abused by streamers. Especially if you're playing ranked you're going to see them a lot more often because people want to rank up faster. So those champions are going to be hard to play against because of them being so strong making them more memorable when you play against them. (Side note, unless you've been playing on an alt account you have no games in your match history){{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
I have been playing on a different account but stopped and taking a break cause players in pre-lvl 30 elo are unimaginably toxic more so than higher elo.
: Well thats mostly just how ADC's work, alot of them offer basically the same thing so the best at the time is the most chosen.
Yeah and I personally think thats a part of the problem. Kai sa offers pretty much everything you need, tank shredding, ap and ad scaling, mobility, and disengage, which is why she has the highest pick rate. I remember the days where we had to think about what champs to pick to counter the opposing teams composition (Ex. tahm kench support vs assassin comp, vayne or kog vs tanky comp, etc). But again, new champs these days offer overloaded kits that negates the concept of counterpicking and counterplaying.
: Then play something different. No ones stopping you.
I personally do, but not to a crazy extent like playing singed support. I just have a bad experience when teams flame each other, not just me, for playing certain champs. I do mute as well, but I do also like to communicate so idk :P
: hey that sucks u must be kinda unlukcy, or maybe its bc ur playing Ranked where people get a lil 2 crazy about whats "apparently" meta or not. I usually find cool people who are tolerant or LIKE trying wacky or new things or things that aren't meta ever once in a while . In fact I JUST played a game as APC bot morde and the support Rakan was cool with it and we dominated bot lane. I don't play that often but i usually see some decent variety in bot lane nowadays U just gotta develope ur own community of cool peeps. Hey I'll support u ANY day if ur playing Kalista ADC, i really like her but she's tough to play if ur teammates don't know how she works. The thing i probably like best is that i can last hit as a support with her AND the vision and objective control she can bring. I need more Kalista in my games. Pls add me id love to duo.
Thanks I'm honestly taking a break right now from league haha but I appreciate it man hope the best for ya
: Kalista is pretty much a troll pick atm tho unless you basically OTP her and even then she has a negative win rate. She is THAT bad.
I do agree and I'll be honest, if I see a kalista on my team, I'll probably have negative thoughts but thats kind of why I have a problem with the way Riot's handling the meta right now. The meta is starting to go stale (where everyones 1 shotting each other).
: Im getting reported for picking aatrox these days. Even tho im keeping a positive winrate since the nerfs. Feels good.
Respect to you. Mute them all and do your thing. I think I'm at that point too where I just play whoever I want and don't care what others say about it.
: Adc as a role has pretty much always been like that and it's not good to use as a reference.
I can see what you mean tbh but I just feel like the meta hasn't really changed in a while. I just remembered and miss the days when graves was an adc too.
: Who's calling you a troll for playing Kalista? Maybe it was the fact that you don't main ADC and something else was troll lol
I mentioned Kalista as an example. I do play every role (mainly support these days), but I'm just saying if someone had a kalista on their team, then they are more likely to get flamed at for "troll pick". This may not seem very likely but imagine this, I had a game not too long ago where I was supporting a Kai sa, and for whatever reason, our whole team flamed her for building stormrazer first item.
: Remember Taliyah
{{champion:104}}
: Those Fiora buffs would only make sense if you removed the 14 different buffs she didn't need
Imagine dying to her once in lane lvl 6 and having 3-4 plates taken out from a full hp turret by the time you come back to lane. Yeah thats what a fiora did to me before, imagine what'll happen when her buff gets through. Like doing 3k true dmg within 4 seconds isn't enough for Riot.
: This is even true in low elo. Most likely, streamers are to blame. The majority of people will do what they think will stomp, and when streamers stick to the one or two champions they know they can cheese with, or Youtubers edit their footage so it looks like a given champion destroys everything, that's where most people will want to go. "Why play anyone else when Cait is strongest?"
Yep they are influencers after all. I remember seeing a youtube clip maybe a week ago of some guy playing cait being 1/0 and 1 shotting an ez tping to lane. Not sure why thats a thing, but it is what it is.
Saezio (EUNE)
: Cait's back in the meta? Since when? I haven't seen her with a good plat+ performance in ages
Im in Plat and see only Kai sa, jinx, cait, ezreal, and jhin in that popularity order. She's arguably the best ad if you play her really well with the longest range and a pretty high burst dps.
: First one to say this
Agreed I personally miss season 4 where the concept of outplay was still apparent and I honestly had more fun and felt more reward from actually outplaying the enemy rather than 1 shotting them. I made a post about about balance before and found out Riot is intentionally making the game unbalanced because that is what the player base wants. According to them, its more fun playing broken champs rather than balanced ones, but I honestly disagree.
Rioter Comments
Raedyth (NA)
: How is saying someone is being a hypocrite flaming? I would love to hear your explanation for that. I want to win game. If team dies, I don't win game. > Team fights and dies. Hi can we stop fighting we don't win we don't do damage? > Team fights and dies. Hi can we stop fighting we don't win we don't do damage? > Team fights and dies. Hi can we stop fighting we don't win we don't do damage? > Team fights and dies. Hi can we stop fighting we don't win we don't do damage? reapeat x9
Take it from someone who got chat restricted 10 times this season, best thing you can do is stop typing. If your team is "trolling" then as the saying goes, if you can't beat em then be em.
Zerenza (NA)
: Her E's Attack Speed increase is incredibly useful before you get your primary attack speed items. The average Kai'sa Build now is Muramana, Guinsoo's rageblade and nashor's Tooth. She'll get Guinsoo's second which only gives 25% attack speed(not counting the stacks because she often couldn't stack it before fights anyway.) this means that she's stuck at only getting at max 60% attack speed at level 11+ meaning that she can't stack her passive as easily even with Guinsoo's rageblade. After getting Nashor's it still won't let her reach her peak of 2.0 attack speed with no Guinsoo's stacks with her E, it's a HUGE nerf. Especially in lane where she'll often only have Berserker's Grieves and her E to rely on for attack speed.
Not sure if its a HUGE nerf but I play kai sa a lot and usually see myself already maxed out on AS around lvl 11-15 with guinsoo, beserkers, or her lvl 2-3 e.
: Champs feel unskilled now
I just made a post discussing and debating the way Riot balances the game and its pretty much that Riot is intentionally making things unbalanced because thats what the player base wants. Its fun getting to play broken champions. I personally don't agree as much because like you said, there are champions that really have overloaded kits and essentially has a get out of jail for free card.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Cosmochris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3BAi2orU,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-09T09:16:23.126+0000) > > So would you say you're satisfied with how the game is balance-wise? Not trying to be sarcastic or anything by asking this, just trying to ask a simple question God no, I want to go back to season 2, where I built full tank as a brusier, did more damage then the ADC, while being as tanky as a tank, but at least I'm honest and know that I don't want balance either, I'm man enough to admit it unlike most people here.
Yeah I do miss the bruiser meta in season 4 where I got to main Riven (yes, I was one of those) and literally 1v9. Not sure what it is these days but leagues just not as fun anymore, even when I play meta roles/champs. Definitely (or probably) not cause I got tired or used to the game.
Nubrac (NA)
: Nightblue Copyright Claims and Blocks 1 Mil View Video in Which He Gets Riot Friend to Ban Nubrac
Your strat really isn't bannable and tbh I hate NB3 with a passion, but you definitely could have at the very least not tilt your teammates to the point of afk and listened to them. Your strat can prove to be useful, but not when its tilting the hell out of them.
Kai Guy (NA)
: Take a look at the video I gave to Black Realm God.
Just watched it and it pretty much sums up the answers I got from my post. Would you personally say that you're satisfied with the game as it is now?
: > [{quoted}](name=Cosmochris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3BAi2orU,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-09T08:41:01.279+0000) > > I started playing Season 4 and I haven't seen this interview nor have I seen anyone mention it when reading balance posts. well unfortunately they didn't keep up with their videos early on, but i'm pretty sure it was "Ryze" or "Greg" that was talking and trying to explain how the game was in the beginning. I'm running through the videos to see if i can find it, but unfortunately i'm not finding it.
Its all good I mean I believe you lol so would you say you're satisfied with how the game is balanced currently?
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Cosmochris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3BAi2orU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-09T08:39:28.341+0000) > > Yeah I think this is what Riot meant when they wanted champions to be "memorable". Tbh you do make a good point and I do agree that there are people that enjoy playing champions that will dominate, but for my counterargument (not trying to be toxic and its sad that I have to point this out), I remember playing in Season 4 when champions were definitely more balanced than they are now and to me those were the true fun days, and I've seen many posts with crazy upvotes saying how they miss those days as well. Wanna guess how many of those people played support upvoted that, because I doubt a single support main upvotes any one of those post. That just leads back to my earlier point, people only want the season that was most fun for them, I'm willing to bet money most of the people who said season 4 was the funniest, are those assassin mains who got to run while, while others says season 2 was the most fun or most balanced because they were part of the bruiser crowd. Of course people are going to upvote for the season they liked base because they were the strongest. >Yes, balancing may be impossible but that doesn't mean it should be neglected. i remember when the irelia rework first came out and she ended up being the most broken champion in the game for months and Riot's way of nerfing her after all that time of dominating solo q was to remove 5 movement speed. Like yeah it may be fun to play a broken champ, but its definitely not fun for the other 5 people facing against them. They used to hard nerf any champion that they felt that was too powerful, people bitched and demanded they nerf things slowly.
So would you say you're satisfied with how the game is balance-wise? Not trying to be sarcastic or anything by asking this, just trying to ask a simple question
Nack321 (EUW)
: I think she wouldnt be a problem if her heal get e rework. Or when she heal she damage herself like Soraka.
Or maybe have her take a small percentage of dmg when whoever she attaches to gets hit, kinda like knights vow.
: you're doing something about yuumi after worlds right?
I'm not sure how but yuumi's ap scaling is almost if not better than veigar's. I know because I main support and have played her multiple times and gotten 1.3k ap in 27 min once.
: you must be new to the community. basically during an interview with one of the riot ceos back in like... season 2 or 3 they talked about how they had envisioned a game that was constantly growing and constantly adding new content. In that interview the ceo said that he didn't think league would ever be balanced because it was never intended to be. That there would always be something new added in order to shake up the game in some way or another. that has later been misrepresented as "riot just makes changes for changes sake". but any moron can understand that if you make a new champ and add it to the pool of 100+ champions that it's going to screw something up and force an entire years worth of rebalancing items, runes, and champion kits.
I started playing Season 4 and I haven't seen this interview nor have I seen anyone mention it when reading balance posts.
Jamaree (NA)
: Let's be realistic here, one, balance isn't possible anymore. There are too many regions, elos, and divisions for it to be possible. Some champions considered shit at low elo, or broken at high elo, and vice versa. Some champions weak in one region, are OP in others. This game isn't perfectly balancable anymore. Two, even if it was, people don't want it. As much as people here harp about balance, they don't want balance. If you only ever complain about balance when you are saying it about another champion or you weren't on a hate train for nerfs when it was your champion that was the strongest, you don't want balance, you want that perfect imbalance, BUT you want it slanted in your favor. And three, people don't want balance because it is boring.
Yeah I think this is what Riot meant when they wanted champions to be "memorable". Tbh you do make a good point and I do agree that there are people that enjoy playing champions that will dominate, but for my counterargument (not trying to be toxic and its sad that I have to point this out), I remember playing in Season 4 when champions were definitely more balanced than they are now and to me those were the true fun days, and I've seen many posts with crazy upvotes saying how they miss those days as well. Yes, balancing may be impossible but that doesn't mean it should be neglected. i remember when the irelia rework first came out and she ended up being the most broken champion in the game for months and Riot's way of nerfing her after all that time of dominating solo q was to remove 5 movement speed. Like yeah it may be fun to play a broken champ, but its definitely not fun for the other 5 people facing against them.
Rioter Comments
Win1Ocent (EUW)
: @RiotBlaustoise on mobility
I do agree that high mobile champs are more likely to do well and I think the problem is that when these mobile champs dive into teamfights, they should be punished in some way. When an akali or qiyana dives straight in a 5 man to assassinate the ADC, they should leave themselves vulnerable, but all of this isn't the case cause, well, of their insanely mobile kit and with zhonyas. I picked these 2 champs because they are the ones with the highest mobility and get the least punished when played right. Yes high mobile champs are more fun in that sense but that really takes the fun out of the rest of the champion pool having to play against champions like those. When I first started playing league I remember Riot promoting players to enjoy every aspect of the champion pool, back when people could actually outplay if theyre skilled, but nowadays its purely meta picks and whatnot.
: Well it's on automatically so you don't have to type /mute all and it does prevent people from writing toxic stuff out of impulse like you said.
I see I actually might start using this
: Smurfing in rank should be banable
It's not really cheating unless theres some sort of competition involving lower elo going on. The reason high elo players make smurfs is because que's in high elo often go up to 40 min with a game 20 min long. It gets frustrating. Also I heard that high elo players make new accounts to start from a better MMR cause Riot 's matchmaking is degrading.
rKRex (NA)
: Muting Allied Chat
Just wondering but isn't muteall just the same thing? I know the option makes it so you can't type either but in that case those that don't want to type won't type... unless it's for those thats trying not to type but can't resist the urge to.
: > [{quoted}](name=Genghis Khat,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E6U959VE,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-04T15:27:35.612+0000) > >buff her ult for 40% and that wont be too strong. It's a 20% damage increase, but yeah, it's still stupid.
Fuya (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MiracleMorg94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E6U959VE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-09-04T15:51:49.311+0000) > > Riot's balancing is a joke now so better get used to it. They rather slap on more damage than try to actually fix anything or revert anything, evident in these changes here. > > Man do I miss season 5 :( Season 5 was peak balance imo, even with all the bullshit it came with
: wait so basically, you don't want to learn matchups and would rather just ban everything. Gotcha
This game has grown to the point where theres no such thing as matchups. Theres only meta picks. Counters don't really exist anymore either cause its also the better jg or sup win meta too.
: Please Buff Pyke.
I thought you were serious for a sec
Moody P (NA)
: player quality feels a lot more noticeably worse than game imo way too many people this season who give up 5 minutes in
Yeah this is exactly why I feel like giving up on this game
: Remake didn't work 2 times now
I've had this happen to me too and I think if they connect and/or disconnect (like when they're not sitting in the center of the fountain), then the game counts the player. This patch is the first time it's happen to me so I think its a bug.
Rioter Comments
: What are some ways to negate Pyke's power?
Serious answer: I'm a support main myself and play against pyke a lot of the time and i personally find Alistar and Morgana to be pretty effective against Pyke. Alistar because if Pyke hooks you, then you're close enough to combo and shit on the enemy ADC (requires you to play good though, which shouldn't be hard), and Morgana because of her black shield. With both champions you would want to block Pykes hook for your ADC. That's honestly it tbh.
: The Good, The Bad, and the League: 8/8 - 8/21
Thoughts on balancing the game? I understand that Riot said they had no intention of balancing the game to make champions more "memorable", but with the increasing number of gameplay unsatisfaction is there going to be balancing?
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