: > [{quoted}](name=Creator0fLegends,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2KAGkK5B,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-09-16T21:45:04.186+0000) > > And why not {{champion:266}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:102}} {{champion:48}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:83}} all got some type of tank busting ability that's just straight up more powerful or more consistent then morde which is only on his ult and he is going to be ulting the adc anyway. Because 1) he's a different champ and different kit, so likening him to the overall juggernaut class is not a strong argument on it's own 2) his main issues are with being excessively kited (it should be his weakness, but it shouldn't completely define his effectiveness) kited/shielding. By giving him an in-kit slow (on top of rhylais) or a mini Stu , he would be able to keep a fight going a little longer and have a little bit of self peel. 3) innate magic pen on top of void would be op af, as essentially no amount of mr would help you from getting shrekked and turned against your own team, especially since he deals so much in percent health damage. 4) if your point is correct that his ult would only be on adcs (if he can reach them), then why would you want this change anyway? Seems illogical when morde could benefit so much more from other, more thematically agreeable changes. Also, going back to point #3, mordes damage can most easily be lifestealed back by the adc class, so again, their isn't a lot of merit your argument. Morde's damage and access to void staff are fine, it's his inability to fight without being cc-locked and kited to the end of days that make him rather impractical. If anything (and I advocate this for more than one juggernaut) give him some form of grounding ability so he can deal with assassins better.
> [{quoted}](name=DarukongSr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2KAGkK5B,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-16T23:15:45.257+0000) > > Because 1) he's a different champ and different kit, so likening him to the overall juggernaut class is not a strong argument on it's own > 2) his main issues are with being excessively kited (it should be his weakness, but it shouldn't completely define his effectiveness) kited/shielding. By giving him an in-kit slow (on top of rhylais) or a mini Stu , he would be able to keep a fight going a little longer and have a little bit of self peel. > 3) innate magic pen on top of void would be op af, as essentially no amount of mr would help you from getting shrekked and turned against your own team, especially since he deals so much in percent health damage. > 4) if your point is correct that his ult would only be on adcs (if he can reach them), then why would you want this change anyway? Seems illogical when morde could benefit so much more from other, more thematically agreeable changes. Also, going back to point #3, mordes damage can most easily be lifestealed back by the adc class, so again, their isn't a lot of merit your argument. Morde's damage and access to void staff are fine, it's his inability to fight without being cc-locked and kited to the end of days that make him rather impractical. If anything (and I advocate this for more than one juggernaut) give him some form of grounding ability so he can deal with assassins better. 1. It would be if he actually did something individually better that made him stick out but that's not the case illaoi deals with melee better then he does, darius could carry a team fight better then he could while trundle can sustain and duel much better then he can so please tell me what's his niche or what he does that's so great that limits him from having innate pen when a certain magic defense item reduce his damage by 20-10% and completely shuts him down while he needs 2 to counter said item and the defense it gives.
: A few buffs that wont break mordekaiser
mordekaiser depends on hp items to get the most survivability because of his shields but all hp and no resistances mean you still get melted when focused so you got to fit in a defense item{{item:3157}} or 2{{item:3156}} so you don't get blow up which affects his cookie cutter build that he has to build when their is even one front line champion on the enemy team no exceptions. one has to be be {{item:3151}} and the other {{item:3135}} so that leaves room for {{item:3165}} so they can't lifesteal up your damage or {{item:3116}} so you can combo with {{item:3151}} and get some actual soft cc very limiting and anti fun having to always include the same items so he can actually be able to function but if he had some extra pen he could free up some item slots so he could have more build diversity.
: > [{quoted}](name=the shushi,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2KAGkK5B,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-16T08:38:04.319+0000) > > He's fine, people just dont like his lack of mobility I don't even like morde, but I'll admit he's weak af. But I don't think he should get free magic pen. Just give him a natural slow somewhere in his kit, or some form of short duration hard cc.
> [{quoted}](name=DarukongSr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2KAGkK5B,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-09-16T15:31:07.282+0000) > > I don't even like morde, but I'll admit he's weak af. But I don't think he should get free magic pen. Just give him a natural slow somewhere in his kit, or some form of short duration hard cc. And why not {{champion:266}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:102}} {{champion:48}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:83}} all got some type of tank busting ability that's just straight up more powerful or more consistent then morde which is only on his ult and he is going to be ulting the adc anyway.
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> [{quoted}](name=saltran,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2KAGkK5B,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-16T06:25:12.739+0000) > > +34 bugs We gotta be realistic with expectations their not touching his mobility and wont come near his defense we gotta settle for alternatives which would be a base ad increase that all other fighters got except him for some reason even though he has duel scaling and the bonus pen and tank killing prowess that other juggernauts also tend to get... but not the dps mage one that's supposed to be an alternative to a adc.{{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
: Let's discuss the role-confusion that divers are facing
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: Some mages can effectively be considered adc tier in some regards mostly the dps mages but they can't sustain or take towers like any of them but some of them possess the aoe dps tank killing dueling potential Dragon baron taking example vlad and swain got the aoe dps and ability to duel and survive long enough azir has the tank aoe and objective killing karthus cass ryze viktor veig Kayle possess at least 2 of those
> [{quoted}](name=Creator0fLegends,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ax8ILNdm,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-05-03T18:05:53.779+0000) > > Some mages can effectively be considered adc tier in some regards mostly the dps mages but they can't sustain or take towers like any of them but some of them possess the aoe dps tank killing dueling potential Dragon baron taking example vlad and swain got the aoe dps and ability to duel and survive long enough azir has the tank aoe and objective killing karthus cass ryze viktor veig Kayle possess at least 2 of those I predicted the meta lol
Snowman Arc (EUNE)
: Phreak: "Typical ADCs are not required; remember when Jhin was the best champion at a time?"
Some mages can effectively be considered adc tier in some regards mostly the dps mages but they can't sustain or take towers like any of them but some of them possess the aoe dps tank killing dueling potential Dragon baron taking example vlad and swain got the aoe dps and ability to duel and survive long enough azir has the tank aoe and objective killing karthus cass ryze viktor veig Kayle possess at least 2 of those
Snowman Arc (EUNE)
: Phreak: "Typical ADCs are not required; remember when Jhin was the best champion at a time?"
Juggernauts and skirmishers can perform a carry role Similar to adc through either objective killing tank damage or raw dps only thing is their melee and considering morde was once the best bot pick at a time and if you could enable someone like darius or yas they could carry your team
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Bump udyr just got some stat and ratio adjustments can voli get some love
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If you parry his and land your stun you win of u don't he wins
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I mean to be more in line with other Juggernauts
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Well she dealt insane dps and could duel like a good
: Xin Zhao Gameplay Update - To the Arena!
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: Xin Zhao Gameplay Update - To the Arena!
And it also seems that you nerfed his 1v1 potential against other skirmishers and tanks
: Xin Zhao Gameplay Update - To the Arena!
He seems like xin is losing his dueling and split push power for more gank and teamfight presence that doesn't sound right on paper because you got a teamfighting duelist
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cant believe they still haven't removed{{champion:24}}in U.R.F.
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