: What are your thoughts on the Aatrox Rework and the current state of Aatrox?
I remember when the rework first came out, I was ready to just stick to playing support because I believed (and still firmly do) that Riot games threw the mains under the bus. Then I gave this new version a chance, talked with the community for tips, tricks, and builds, and eventually came to **tolerate** him. Even to the point of liking him. But still preferring my hack and slash baby. _Then came the nerfs._ I could understand the damage nerfs because damage in the game is just overwhelming (though it still is mostly in part due to runes and items). But the hit to his healing was the first of many wut.jpg. The concept of Aatrox was and still is that he is supposed to be a self-sustaining threat that charges into the fight with the knowledge that dying, if it can be achieved by the enemy, is a temporary thing. Fast forward to today, and I have to use a magnifying glass to actually see that my health bar is going up with the passive healing he has. Not only that, but one of the ever present sore spots for me is that his revive and ultimate form are on the same ability (meaning they have the same cooldown) and are just underwhelming. See an Aatrox ult? Kite him or run away since he can't catch up to you or just kill him before the bloodwell bar actually has time to restore any significant health. A 2 minute cooldown for an ability that was once feast or famine but has now lost the famine. And Faker forbid you don't actually die. I could honestly go on much longer, but that would quickly turn into a tldr. As was stated previously, the rework wasn't successful.
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: {{item:3075}}
> [{quoted}](name=Worst Brad Japan,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EeOF8z30,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-08T22:47:45.237+0000) > > {{item:3075}} To be fair, not every champ can benefit from building armor against him. Additionally, since damage just trumps defense in the game right now, it honestly does nothing. Especially considering a good chunk of it is true damage.
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: then why dont you stop being a noob hide behide the turret and fight as a man {{champion:84}} akali 4 ever
> [{quoted}](name=HUSSEINMON22,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kGBm6R8e,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-08T20:24:57.382+0000) > > then why dont you stop being a noob hide behide the turret and fight as a man {{champion:84}} akali 4 ever i'll take this as sarcasm.
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Ahpe (NA)
: {{champion:164}} ######step on me Step on me ##Step on me #STEP ON ME
> [{quoted}](name=Ahpe,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IOGvv3Fo,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-10-28T00:52:58.195+0000) > > {{champion:164}} > ######step on me > Step on me > ##Step on me > #STEP ON ME The desperation I hear in it just makes my day.
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: Write a haiku for your favorite champion
{{champion:266}} Let all who breath die Bring about a baleful end Give them peace with death
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: We Honor the Champs that Died in 2018
Forgetting {{champion:266}} . A long awaited rework only to get yet another sucker punch by @RitoKillingChampsGames
: Aight Morde players, I'ma need you to be reasonable for a second
As someone who plays both champions, I'll put it like this. Yes it's ok when you're the one playing morde against yorick. No it's not ok when you're yorick playing against a morde that knows this interaction **coughs** lets keep this under {{champion:32}} .
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: Question: How would you feel if Riot spent the next few patches working exclusively on resistances
Yes. Preferably more towards items first. Then again, if they address the absurd damage this season, I guess I'd like to see what they can change on champions for the sake of **improvement** rather than for the sake of change. Like when they buffed a few tanks a patch or two ago. Appreciated, but I'd like it if it didn't just apply to a small number of champions.
: I agree with you but get ready for the downvotes people hate making champions not simple and balanced/healthy.
I've already prepared my mind.
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warlordekko (EUNE)
: Not trying to be mean or anything but WHY IS GRAVES SO DAMN STRONG?
You haven't even seen the worst of it. If he got a {{item:3812}} he'd be able to tank more damage than the actual tanks in this meta.{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: Master Yi is way over powered
Honestly, I get that there need to be simple champions for newer players. But the real question is, is he too simple to play. Anyone can be cc'd and killed, and with the way the current dmg is, champs like {{champion:11}} and {{champion:23}} can prove to be too strong.
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: Support starting items
Honestly, I wish they would just stop touching the support role without actually thinking things through. Like when they got rid of the unique item quests and got rid of some of the support items like {{item:3309}} just so they could delete ruby sight-stone but still have that "support item meant for warding". And then when adc and mid started taking support items into lane just to get the passive extra gold it provided, they took that out and left the supports with what?
Quinzley (EUNE)
: Admit It
No... I- I won't admit to anything.
: Most tilting "strange interaction" in game ?
When I'm playing {{champion:240}} and when I lose Skarl i go invulnerable, but the same effect doesn't apply to when I'm actually mounting. Intentional more than likely, but if the little guy is busting at knee caps with an axe, that 0.5 second window shouldn't be there.
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: Aatrox
So... you got mastery lvl 7, played him a lot, couldn't figure him out... so he's a garbage champ? Honestly, I'll save the "how he was supposed to be played" to someone else if they so decide. He just wasn't a champ **you** should have picked up or continued playing if you weren't good at him. Simple as that.
: Problems with new Aatrox Ultimate
I agree with you. While I can't help out with all the problems, #1 can be solved by doing this: Get {{item:3193}} and activate it before going into your ultimate. If you die you'll come back with a lot more health. This is further amplified by {{item:3065}} .
Yuvn Ti (NA)
: Stop doing this
As long as you don't use the phrase "It's just norms" go on and practice.
: Oh talon just all ind me at lv 2
To be fair, there are plenty of champs who can all in around lvl 2-3. It's just knowing he can do it makes it clear to be careful.
: Do anyone think riot going to do something about Aatrox?
I know how you feel. While there literally isn't a way to please every single person in the community, I feel like the mains got the bad end of the stick when it came to this rework. Instead of listening to our suggestions people just threw a bunch of one liners to try and justify it. **_He's meta now_** **_We don't need another AA champion_** **_He's actually good now_** **_He'll actually be played more_** They won't revert him, that much I know. But it sucks that after years of begging for a rework with guidelines set up, this was the end result.
Akaash (NA)
: Diamond strategy thread. No low elos allowed.
Not sure if this strat is used in NA but right around the time I got into D2 on EUW, I started focusing on sabotaging the enemy jg constantly. Everytime he was on the map, I'd push in my lane, make it seem like I was headed to mid or top and just head right into his jg. Most of the time they stay close to the area I seemed to be going in order to counter gank, in truth I was setting up wards, stealing monsters, and making sure they were behind enough to where they'd be more of a liability than an asset if they came to gank. Another thing I did around diamond was trying to spoon feed the teammate that I had the most synergy with. Didn't matter if they were the support, jungler, mid, if I saw an opportunity that only we could pull off, I explained it to them and most often than not, they'd know what I was expecting when I triple pinged as a warning. On a side note: _Not every strategy is limited to a certain elo. Even the simplest ones can prove most effective when climbing._
Krrunchy (NA)
: (A Follow-Up From My Last Discussion) Veigar?
Literally depends on what you're facing. If you're not into stacking champions, then probably should reconsider. But there are some neat tips and tricks to make him effective against most match-ups. Satisfying thing is skipping down to bot-lane after gaining over 400 AP and ulting that Adc who was just trying to farm. Beware of {{champion:201}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:105}} and{{item:3102}} {{item:3157}}
Holymanster (EUNE)
: New Aatrox Ultimate
Only thing I can think of is: 1. If he doesn't die while in ult, he should gain back a %of his health. 2. Ult activates immediately. Not that 0.5 second delay we've got going on. 3. Damage surrounding opponents upon activation.
Neamean (NA)
: Who should be the Thanos of Runeterra?
In terms of destructive power and the capability of destroying a bunch of life in an instant. {{champion:17}} "Mr. Braum, I don't feel so good." _**Suddenly dissolves into purplish spores and particles with a distant Teemo giggle echoing**_
Dvise (NA)
: New Aatrox Tips and Tricks
I personally picked Old Aatrox against {{champion:122}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:23}} . Garen though... he wasn't hard but chasing him halfway across the rift repeatedly beating him with my slap stick takes its toll on me. Plus, with some tankiness, I could get him to scale hard enough to melt their adc at full build. Good times. {{champion:58}} If he took ignite, it was over, then I'd be more comfotable with {{champion:82}}
Barcid (NA)
: Aatrox's rework reiterates something about immobility
: Teemo is offering free hugs!!!
Yes. Especially Gnar. Little guy must have it rough not knowing his home is gone.
onlyall (EUNE)
: Riot's banning system
Toxicity and bad behavior deserve to be punished regardless of the form they come in. No, not every troll or AFker is punished because it probably was not picked up by the system and yes it is a shame. However, from what I can pick up from the indignant wording of your post, it _seems_ that the perma-ban might have been well-founded. Then again, you didn't provide much on what you did that got you banned.
: I keep getting reported for losing lane to aatrox as tryndamere
Strange. I picked the real aatrox and even this version of him as a counter to trynd. Then again, you outscale him. I can safely say that if you want to beat him, then you just need to wait for your opportunity. Go in on him after he has used his Q's, spin out of his w (sideways or diagonal if you can) if you took a bad trade. His ultimate is probably the one thing that can mess you up since it can counter yours if played right. Vise-versa. My suggestion to you is to take advantage of the fact that he is now a spell caster and so if he misses those spells, then you bully him. Ignite in lane can also work to deal with the life steal. On a final note, since he now benefits more from building tanky, it's best that you be wary of how much time you put into these trades since reinforcements could be nearby. P.S. I don't play much of trynd but I know my stuff when it comes to my Darkin.
: Aatrox Ideas
I'd honestly like it if upon activation his ult actually damaged people like the old one. Drawing in the blood of your enemies as you take on your true form. If you don't die during your ult, you should gain back a scaling percentage of your missing or maximum health. The synergy between the Q and the E are still too clunky, especially in the early game where you have to wait around 3 seconds to use a second E. The passive should not proc on minions, and even if they want to keep that, it should actually gain a lower CD as you lvl up. Maybe even increase the time that mutilation lasts on an enemy. The %health damage doesn't need to repeatedly proc but the grievous wound effect and shield decaying effect should be able to repeatedly proc through some means. Considering you can just walk out of his W if you walk sideways, maybe increase the slow or ave it linger if they somehow manage to get out of it. (I know they won't revert him back. Still miss the real Aatrox but I guess I'll have to make due with this guy.)
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