: Who is your favorite cat champ and why?
: If you're going to deliberately shoot down every single argument that people give, I'm not sure why I'm wasting my time here. You can rephrase your argument here so that SOME people may actually agree with you. Your claim is valid but needs to be re-worded in order for other people to digest. You are making this post solely with accusations and complaints against the majority which is guaranteed for everyone to turn against you. On a side note, ever heard of the Nightblue3 drama with a Jhin top in his game? You're basically doing the same thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VElnwWvX-A
if they are all saying the same thing (slightly different) then obviously my replies/retorts will be essentially the same and consistent throughout each reply. You want me to be less aggressive with how I phrased it, I get it, I could be PC and super cotton ball beta about it but who in the world is going to take that seriously? I'm serious about this topic and so I have a serious tone! I'm not going to walk on egg-shells about this. To me this is a very serious subject and when ppl just are like "yeah whateva bro it's norms I do whatever I want" they don't understand the implications or the ramifications that they have on the other 9 players in those games (assuming it is just you solo Q). I didn't watch the NB3 thing you linked but like I told someone else, just because you pick a Troll pick and (i'm amusing this person in the video did well?) do well, that doesn't excuse you from trolling! Like i stated to someone earlier, you could play 100 games with some bs troll pick in norms and feed/int 99 times and just cause 1 time you don't doesn't make the trolling pick right. I like off-meta picks, hell I play Swain Support! I was one of the first to do it to be honest and that is pretty off-meta but because he has things that can actually make him a Support (his E and W) along with scaling well for team fights and being semi-weak in solo lanes it kinda makes sense to move him to support (similar to how some other mages have been moved down to bot) but when you don't actually have a strategic reason for it, other than just "I want to have fun so i'm playing this" then you are absolutely trolling and even if it's Norms it's still not right and it's ridiculous that people are talking about Norms like it was a URF or something! Norms isn't URF So yeah man, I'm not going to be all tip toe pc bullshity about this subject. People want respect right? So why wouldn't they respect the other people in the game? That's what it boils down to and it's really as simple as that, when ppl pick troll picks it doesn't matter if they have 30kda in that 1 game or not, the point is that they have blatantly non-verbally said that they don't give 2 shits about the other 9 people in the game and that is DIRECTLY what I am speaking about.
Snowbrand (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=CurS1VE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tydBQ4F6,comment-id=000e00000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-19T21:16:53.222+0000) > > like i said before, you could literally do the exact same thing in bots or practice mode if you are true about "winning doesn't matter" or "winning isn't the only thing" then there really isn't a point in playing with or against other people, you are just trying to play the game without pressure right? well then there is this mode called practice where literally you can do whatever you want, no pressure at all; you can even add a bot to it if you want to practice against something that doesn't matter. > > You already said your team mates don't matter and what they do don't matter, so why even bother playing with them at all? > > You've constantly described a Mode of Practice or Bots and yet you put that label on Normal mode. > Essentially there is no reason to play Normal mode at all by your logic, the winning of a game doesn't matter, the team doesn't matter, the competition which you "claim" is why you play norms is odd because you also say normal doesn't matter, so why do you expect there to be any sort of competition? > > Either you are lying to yourself or you are arguing for the sake of arguing; > > Normal cannot both be a place for competition AND a place to screw around, they are 2 contradicting things! I play normals because I want a challenge. I always try to win normal games and like the challenge to play against real people, but because it's not a ranked game I can make different challenges or have fun in different ways and try new builds and so on. And I'm going to keep doing that. You are twisting my words about teammates don't matter. It's just that I don't care if I make mistakes or fail new things in normals, because in the end, winning in normals doesn't matter to me. Winning is fun, but that's not why I or many of us play normals first of all. The game in itself is what is fun in normals. I like to play against real players because of the social aspect but also because bots are so easy to beat, there is nothing fun beating a bot. Anyone can do that.
Why would you get a Challenge in Normal? You yourself said ppl shouldn't be try harding in Normal mode right? Why should you expect a challenge when (by your own words) ppl shouldn't be trying too hard in the game mode. I didn't twist your words, it's what you said. You literally said you don't care what your team mates do, you don't even care what the other team does so why would you expect any sort of challenge? You don't care what they do right? Why would anything they do challenge you then? People aren't playing for anything in Norms though, you already said that there is no reason really and whether or not you win or lose it doesn't matter; but then you say you like playing against people?!?! Umm excuse me sir but maybe you should decide on what it is you actually enjoy here. If you say the Game itself is fun then that's not about the mode at all, that's just about the game HENCE (going back to my previous statement) You can literally just play a Practice Game If you say you are expecting some sort of Challenge YET you constantly say that people can do whateva and it's all "for fun" then why exactly would you go in with a mindset of expecting ANY Challenge? If everyone is dicking around then the game is just a Bot game level but played with players that are Human instead of AI (by your statements) See you want Norms to not matter when you want but also to matter when you Want. Either they matter or they don't and if they don't then the mode itself is pointless and if it matters then the challenge of winning also matters. This is once again where you've shown that you have really inconsistent ideas.
Snowbrand (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=CurS1VE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tydBQ4F6,comment-id=000e00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-19T21:02:49.047+0000) > > I don't think you understand..One minute you say Norms are basically a shit show that is good for nothing and essentially ok to troll in and just do nothing and should never really be taken seriously but then you say it's ok to learn a champ before you go into ranked or something along those lines. You see the problem and contradiction you are creating? > Norms cannot both be a place to learn a champ and also a place to fuck around in. Because if it's a place just to fuck around in then you really wouldn't ever learn anything about a champ since everything you WOULD learn would be the same thing like playing in a practice mode (remember you said it's not serious) so nobody would ever really push you to actually learn anything until you step into ranked and then you may get pushed. > > You are picking and choosing when Norms matter, and btw your statement of what your teammates do in norms doesn't matter cause you can get whatever without them once again supports what i am saying that you can just go into a Practice Mode and get the exact same experience without ever having to subject anyone to playing with you. You literally just proved my point! So the question once again becomes why even bother stepping into Norms at all? You aren't going to learn anything from playing there and you said yourself your team doesn't matter so even if they feed and hard int and get ppl to basically 1 shot you then what's the point of you even being in the MODE?! > > I read your post pretty well and it's obvious you are not consistent with your own thoughts. You should actually re-read what you wrote. > > If you are playing against ppl who are basically trolling then why in the world would you use that as a way to learn a new champ? that's literally the worse way to learn a new champ! > > I already said (it was my statement earlier that you disagreed with btw) that Norms are a good place to practice and learn a champ and you basically disagreed with me 1 minute and now your statement is completely different after i flipped it and showed you how your logic fails, now you are actually agreeing with me and you don't even realize it lol > > I said "you guys keep saying ranked is for this try hard stuff but if people aren't practicing norms and playing to win there then they aren't going to develop the skills or mindset to win in ranked either." ALSO "when you are playing any game you should always be practicing to Win and developing skills that help you Win! If you aren't doing that then you are just screwing around and you literally don't need to involve anyone else with that at all yet for whatever reason people think it's ok to subject others to it?!" > > now you literally just said you go in to norms to practice which contradicts your previous statement earlier! so my statement to you is you are very confused and you obviously are arguing for the sake of it, even when you clearly agree with me you are choosing to try and spin things to where you aren't? > > i would recommend you re-read literally everything that we've exchanged in these posts and open your eyes Sry, but I'm not gonna keep writing with someone that didn't read what I wrote. You asked me if you should go into ranked with a new champion, because you can't practise in normals. I said, sure you can practise the champion (s kit) in normals, but practising for the general gameplay(teamwork, objectives, rotations) is much harder, bcz ranked is so different. If you can't understand that difference, I'm not gonna bother to keep replying. Yea, tbh you can try new champions in bot games and pratice mode and learn their kit their too, it's just more boring. Yea, I'm gold 2 as I said. I can switch on and off my mindset whenever I want to. I don't have to learn how to do it. It's pretty simple. As I said, I'm gold 2 so obviously it hasn't affected me negative to not take normal games seriously. I can turn your argument around like this if I want: ALSO "when you are playing any game you should always be focus on having fun and try new and fun things to do in the game and sometimes that also involves not having good games every game! If you aren't doing that then you are just tryharding around and you literally don't need to involve anyone else with that at all yet for whatever reason people think it's ok to subject others to it?! > so my statement to you is you are very confused and you obviously are arguing for the sake of it Google "Psychological projection" > i would recommend you re-read literally everything that we've exchanged in these posts and open your eyes Yes, that's my recomendation to you too. As I said, if you like tryharding you are totally fine doing that in ranked (and normals), but don't tell everyone else have to do that (in normals) since as you said yourself: "you literally don't need to involve anyone else with that at all yet for whatever reason people think it's ok to subject others to it?!"
when i said "you literally don't need to involve anyone else with that at all" statement I was speaking directly towards playing things in modes other than Normal (Bots & Practice) you using my statement and not putting it into context or rather trying to take it out of the context of it's original use is just something you are doing cause you don't understand how to have a conversation nor do you have the consistency to stand by your own view points. the other one you used was also taken out of context and you added in a lot of things in place of what I said but then you put Quote marks around it?! Do you understand what a Quote is? What I do isn't misquote you or add to your statements, I take your statements and show you a result that can be concluded based on what you said so if you said "Winning doesn't matter" (in theory) then that means that Mode itself doesn't matter for anything other than dicking around. That's the difference between what you are trying to do and what I do. So when I give you examples that are based on what you've said it's just really simple conclusions If you were to say "I don't care about my team mates" then the very simple and logical conclusion is obviously "Why bother playing with a Team"? It's why you are losing this conversation, you don't actually realize that what you are saying is inconsistent. You cannot both "Not really Care" but also "Play to win sometimes", you cannot both "Troll" and "try hard" they are different. You cannot "Improve" or learn anything if you believe that "The Mode (and players) doesn't matter" Which brings me back to my original post (because on some level you do actually agree with me), people shouldn't be picking blatantly Troll picks in Normal games and then saying "I'm playing for Fun", NO you aren't playing for Fun, you are playing to Troll. Playing for Fun in a Team Based Game would mean you are literally playing to Compete as a Team! The Moment you are not trying to Compete as a Team (Or WITH) then you are no longer aligned with what is suppose to be intended as Fun for that Game.
Kai Guy (NA)
: What supports do you think are to team reliant to climb?
Tk and Braum are the 2 champs you are looking for, not enchanters at all. Braum can be good the higher you get but if you are trying to climb from a low elo then it's absolutely a horrid pick. TK is similar where it is good higher elo but it's basically useless low elo The biggest things here are that there are limited ways you contribute to a team that aren't upfront or easy to execute. I climbed from B3 with Zyra and Zilean (a lil galio too) but generally speaking the lower the elo the more you need to rely on carry supports and less about weird defensive tank supports and Braum and TK are essentially the only 2 Tank supports that are really Defensive (limited offensive capabilities) In lower elo you have way less consistent players who are less consistent with carrying so the idea of using something that is lane dominate as a support is always good, Braum CAN be lane dominate if he has a good ADC to follow up but if not then it's gonna be a long day. TK may as well build full tank after he gets his support item cause most of the support items on him are really lackluster and his team fight capability is so bad. If you want to show off or something then start in iron with those 2 and see how difficult it is then i'd love to watch that cause honestly i don't think you'll win very many games and i could see a 20% WR in your future easily
Snowbrand (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=CurS1VE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tydBQ4F6,comment-id=000e000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-19T17:10:55.309+0000) > > Why don't Riot Allow for Cheat's then in Norms? Or why is it that the same practice tools that are available in practice mode isn't available in Norms? > Why isn't it just a URF mode if it's just suppose to be for fun and a place to screw around? > > I mean by your's and other logic you are talking about Norms like it's a Urf basically but Riot doesn't allow cheats in it right? I mean if ppl like having fun shouldn't Riot just let us all have 99999 gold and start at lv 18? that would be fun right? > Shouldn't i be able to TP to where ever I want and my CDs shouldn't even have a CD cause it's just norms and it doesn't matter. > > Also why is it that in Norms I am generally matched against ppl with a MMR similar/close to my Rank? The mode doesn't matter so I should be matched against basically anyone who Q's right? But i'm not, Why is that? It doesn't matter and there isn't a point to it right? besides trolling..So why are there all these things in place? why all these limitations if the mode doesn't matter? > > Why should anyone ever get banned from a Normal Game? it doesn't matter, it's ok to troll picks right? So I should be able to cuss ppl out and say whatever I want in those games cause it doesn't really matter and nobody is really trying right? so why would they get offended? and if they do get offended shouldn't they just stop being tryhards? > > Tell me more, I'm learning a lot here in this thread You don't even read what I just wrote, right? I did never say, winning doesn't matter, it's just not the only reason or biggest reason, why I play normals. I already said I try to win, but that doesn't mean I can play new champs or try new builds in normals. It would be boring playing with full gold. I want the challenge of a normal game, but without the pressure of a ranked game.
like i said before, you could literally do the exact same thing in bots or practice mode if you are true about "winning doesn't matter" or "winning isn't the only thing" then there really isn't a point in playing with or against other people, you are just trying to play the game without pressure right? well then there is this mode called practice where literally you can do whatever you want, no pressure at all; you can even add a bot to it if you want to practice against something that doesn't matter. You already said your team mates don't matter and what they do don't matter, so why even bother playing with them at all? You've constantly described a Mode of Practice or Bots and yet you put that label on Normal mode. Essentially there is no reason to play Normal mode at all by your logic, the winning of a game doesn't matter, the team doesn't matter, the competition which you "claim" is why you play norms is odd because you also say normal doesn't matter, so why do you expect there to be any sort of competition? Either you are lying to yourself or you are arguing for the sake of arguing; Normal cannot both be a place for competition AND a place to screw around, they are 2 contradicting things!
Snowbrand (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=CurS1VE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tydBQ4F6,comment-id=000e000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-19T17:01:18.697+0000) > > so by your logic i should just pick up any champ i want and without any sort of experience go into ranked because that's where it matters and where i should be trying. > > I shouldnt practice at all because norms are for just screwing around and practice is only reserved for ranked because thats where ppl try > > thanks for helping me understand your mindset > > you know this idea that you shouldn't try and only when your rating is on the line that's when it matters, that's a very flawed ideology. you don't get better by never practicing and if you never take it serious enough to invest in practice then when you do decide to go to ranked you are actually going to be really bad even if you were to play 200+ games on 1 champ in norms, you aren't actually practicing (by your logic) you are just screwing around and doing whateva, you are basically setting yourself up to fail at that point. > > If that's honestly what you think then i'd say pretty clearly that playing a team based game isn't for you because your mates need to be able to rely on you and if you are of the mindset that you are playing only for you and fuck every one else then you are not being a good team mate. > > That's like having a Friend who is expecting you to be a Friend back and you saying Fuck off I only play for me when I want! > > Pretty selfish ideology you got going on if you can't play to win in a normal game, you just said norms are where you screw around so basically you think it's ok to troll normal games and somehow you can do this and it won't impact your play in ranked at all (if and when you play ranked)..Mmmkay man, if you really believe that then hey, you obviously want to do you and nothing anyone says will make you change that so keep doing you man, keep doing you Ehum, playing a champ in normals is good to learn how the champ itself works, but you usually don't play normals to learn how to win or macro. Yea, I'm pretty sure most people don't actually use normals to practice for ranked. It's usually a bad environment to do that, because players play normals for different reasons and most not tryharding like they do in ranked games so it's pretty pointless learning how to play ranked in normals. But, you can practice how to play your own champ and for that it doesn't matter if your teammates are good or bad. > > If that's honestly what you think then i'd say pretty clearly that playing a team based game isn't for you because your mates need to be able to rely on you and if you are of the mindset that you are playing only for you and fuck every one else then you are not being a good team mate. > Sry, but that's the dumbest thing I've read. You doesn't really understand the difference between normals and ranked? I play maybe 5-10 games to learn a champ before I go to ranked. I can tryhard if I need to to learn that champ, but what my teammates do in a normal games doesn't matter for that goal. I can do that without them tryharding. > and somehow you can do this and it won't impact your play in ranked at all I can't tell if you are trolling or if you are bronze 5. Im gold 2 so it obviously isn't impact my ranked games. I really don't understand, but if you played more ranked maybe you would understand. And you obviously didn't read my post since you keep misunderstanding (intentionally or unintentionally).
> [{quoted}](name=Snowbrand,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tydBQ4F6,comment-id=000e0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-19T18:53:29.832+0000) > > Ehum, playing a champ in normals is good to learn how the champ itself works, but you usually don't play normals to learn how to win or macro. > > Yea, I'm pretty sure most people don't actually use normals to practice for ranked. It's usually a bad environment to do that, because players play normals for different reasons and most not tryharding like they do in ranked games so it's pretty pointless learning how to play ranked in normals. But, you can practice how to play your own champ and for that it doesn't matter if your teammates are good or bad. > > Sry, but that's the dumbest thing I've read. You doesn't really understand the difference between normals and ranked? I play maybe 5-10 games to learn a champ before I go to ranked. I can tryhard if I need to to learn that champ, but what my teammates do in a normal games doesn't matter for that goal. I can do that without them tryharding. > > I can't tell if you are trolling or if you are bronze 5. Im gold 2 so it obviously isn't impact my ranked games. I really don't understand, but if you played more ranked maybe you would understand. And you obviously didn't read my post since you keep misunderstanding (intentionally or unintentionally). I don't think you understand..One minute you say Norms are basically a shit show that is good for nothing and essentially ok to troll in and just do nothing and should never really be taken seriously but then you say it's ok to learn a champ before you go into ranked or something along those lines. You see the problem and contradiction you are creating? Norms cannot both be a place to learn a champ and also a place to fuck around in. Because if it's a place just to fuck around in then you really wouldn't ever learn anything about a champ since everything you WOULD learn would be the same thing like playing in a practice mode (remember you said it's not serious) so nobody would ever really push you to actually learn anything until you step into ranked and then you may get pushed. You are picking and choosing when Norms matter, and btw your statement of what your teammates do in norms doesn't matter cause you can get whatever without them once again supports what i am saying that you can just go into a Practice Mode and get the exact same experience without ever having to subject anyone to playing with you. You literally just proved my point! So the question once again becomes why even bother stepping into Norms at all? You aren't going to learn anything from playing there and you said yourself your team doesn't matter so even if they feed and hard int and get ppl to basically 1 shot you then what's the point of you even being in the MODE?! I read your post pretty well and it's obvious you are not consistent with your own thoughts. You should actually re-read what you wrote. If you are playing against ppl who are basically trolling then why in the world would you use that as a way to learn a new champ? that's literally the worse way to learn a new champ! I already said (it was my statement earlier that you disagreed with btw) that Norms are a good place to practice and learn a champ and you basically disagreed with me 1 minute and now your statement is completely different after i flipped it and showed you how your logic fails, now you are actually agreeing with me and you don't even realize it lol I said "you guys keep saying ranked is for this try hard stuff but if people aren't practicing norms and playing to win there then they aren't going to develop the skills or mindset to win in ranked either." ALSO "when you are playing any game you should always be practicing to Win and developing skills that help you Win! If you aren't doing that then you are just screwing around and you literally don't need to involve anyone else with that at all yet for whatever reason people think it's ok to subject others to it?!" now you literally just said you go in to norms to practice which contradicts your previous statement earlier! so my statement to you is you are very confused and you obviously are arguing for the sake of it, even when you clearly agree with me you are choosing to try and spin things to where you aren't? i would recommend you re-read literally everything that we've exchanged in these posts and open your eyes
Snowbrand (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=CurS1VE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tydBQ4F6,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2019-08-19T14:07:09.486+0000) > > if you don't care in norms then you are practicing to not care about the game regardless of mode. > > you guys keep saying ranked is for this try hard stuff but if people aren't practicing norms and playing to win there then they aren't going to develop the skills or mindset to win in ranked either. > > If you want to screw around then go into practice or bots, that would literally be the ideal place for troll picks and ppl who do whatever they want considering most of them don't care about a team or the other players. > > when you are playing any game you should always be practicing to Win and developing skills that help you Win! If you aren't doing that then you are just screwing around and you literally don't need to involve anyone else with that at all yet for whatever reason people think it's ok to subject others to it?! > > If you aren't trying, you are just doing whatever, picking troll stuff and not caring to really play then what's the point of playing against anyone? No, I care a lot in ranked games but not in normals. I can use my brain to understand the difference. I don't need to practice it. Yes, I can change mindset in different game modes. It isn't hard. No, because there is no challenge in bot games. I try to win every normal game I play, but I don't really care if I lose either. No, games are usually for fun. Winning can be fun, but it doesn't have to be. Life isn't all about winning and I usually play games to relax and chill. That's usually why I play games, not to have a second job. Then, it's fun to get better and win games. But it's just one reason and not always the biggest reason. Well, if 4 of your other teammates wants to have fun and not to get flamed for not tryharding, isn't it just better to play a single player game, where you can tryhard as much as you want without forcing it on others? Because of the challenge. I usually still try to win, soetimes it's the main objective but not always the case and sometimes not the only.
Why don't Riot Allow for Cheat's then in Norms? Or why is it that the same practice tools that are available in practice mode isn't available in Norms? Why isn't it just a URF mode if it's just suppose to be for fun and a place to screw around? I mean by your's and other logic you are talking about Norms like it's a Urf basically but Riot doesn't allow cheats in it right? I mean if ppl like having fun shouldn't Riot just let us all have 99999 gold and start at lv 18? that would be fun right? Shouldn't i be able to TP to where ever I want and my CDs shouldn't even have a CD cause it's just norms and it doesn't matter. Also why is it that in Norms I am generally matched against ppl with a MMR similar/close to my Rank? The mode doesn't matter so I should be matched against basically anyone who Q's right? But i'm not, Why is that? It doesn't matter and there isn't a point to it right? besides trolling..So why are there all these things in place? why all these limitations if the mode doesn't matter? Why should anyone ever get banned from a Normal Game? it doesn't matter, it's ok to troll picks right? So I should be able to cuss ppl out and say whatever I want in those games cause it doesn't really matter and nobody is really trying right? so why would they get offended? and if they do get offended shouldn't they just stop being tryhards? Tell me more, I'm learning a lot here in this thread
Snowbrand (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=CurS1VE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tydBQ4F6,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2019-08-19T14:07:09.486+0000) > > if you don't care in norms then you are practicing to not care about the game regardless of mode. > > you guys keep saying ranked is for this try hard stuff but if people aren't practicing norms and playing to win there then they aren't going to develop the skills or mindset to win in ranked either. > > If you want to screw around then go into practice or bots, that would literally be the ideal place for troll picks and ppl who do whatever they want considering most of them don't care about a team or the other players. > > when you are playing any game you should always be practicing to Win and developing skills that help you Win! If you aren't doing that then you are just screwing around and you literally don't need to involve anyone else with that at all yet for whatever reason people think it's ok to subject others to it?! > > If you aren't trying, you are just doing whatever, picking troll stuff and not caring to really play then what's the point of playing against anyone? No, I care a lot in ranked games but not in normals. I can use my brain to understand the difference. I don't need to practice it. Yes, I can change mindset in different game modes. It isn't hard. No, because there is no challenge in bot games. I try to win every normal game I play, but I don't really care if I lose either. No, games are usually for fun. Winning can be fun, but it doesn't have to be. Life isn't all about winning and I usually play games to relax and chill. That's usually why I play games, not to have a second job. Then, it's fun to get better and win games. But it's just one reason and not always the biggest reason. Well, if 4 of your other teammates wants to have fun and not to get flamed for not tryharding, isn't it just better to play a single player game, where you can tryhard as much as you want without forcing it on others? Because of the challenge. I usually still try to win, soetimes it's the main objective but not always the case and sometimes not the only.
so by your logic i should just pick up any champ i want and without any sort of experience go into ranked because that's where it matters and where i should be trying. I shouldnt practice at all because norms are for just screwing around and practice is only reserved for ranked because thats where ppl try thanks for helping me understand your mindset you know this idea that you shouldn't try and only when your rating is on the line that's when it matters, that's a very flawed ideology. you don't get better by never practicing and if you never take it serious enough to invest in practice then when you do decide to go to ranked you are actually going to be really bad even if you were to play 200+ games on 1 champ in norms, you aren't actually practicing (by your logic) you are just screwing around and doing whateva, you are basically setting yourself up to fail at that point. If that's honestly what you think then i'd say pretty clearly that playing a team based game isn't for you because your mates need to be able to rely on you and if you are of the mindset that you are playing only for you and fuck every one else then you are not being a good team mate. That's like having a Friend who is expecting you to be a Friend back and you saying Fuck off I only play for me when I want! Pretty selfish ideology you got going on if you can't play to win in a normal game, you just said norms are where you screw around so basically you think it's ok to troll normal games and somehow you can do this and it won't impact your play in ranked at all (if and when you play ranked)..Mmmkay man, if you really believe that then hey, you obviously want to do you and nothing anyone says will make you change that so keep doing you man, keep doing you
: Im kind of disappointed with all his skins :/ Almost all of them barely do anything different with the animations or particles. It's all just the base model.
i agree tbh, i have all of them and they are all kinda meh, really grity and dull for the most part. Blood Moon is the only one that has any sort of flair but otherwise it's a lackluster snooze fest with his skins..he doesn't even have any chromas or anything like that either
Snowbrand (EUW)
: If you want diehard tryhard go ranked, what's the problem? Just play ranked if you really wants your team to care about winning. What's the problem?
if you don't care in norms then you are practicing to not care about the game regardless of mode. you guys keep saying ranked is for this try hard stuff but if people aren't practicing norms and playing to win there then they aren't going to develop the skills or mindset to win in ranked either. If you want to screw around then go into practice or bots, that would literally be the ideal place for troll picks and ppl who do whatever they want considering most of them don't care about a team or the other players. when you are playing any game you should always be practicing to Win and developing skills that help you Win! If you aren't doing that then you are just screwing around and you literally don't need to involve anyone else with that at all yet for whatever reason people think it's ok to subject others to it?! If you aren't trying, you are just doing whatever, picking troll stuff and not caring to really play then what's the point of playing against anyone?
Rioter Comments
Cloud273 (NA)
: People focus too much on damage and not enough on counterplay
hmmm after i go through this and the comments I don't actually see what your premise is. you compared some Assassin champs who are built to 1 shot in 1 rotation, to Mages who can Burst 1 shot in 1 rotation? Then you say something like it's not about the damage but the lack of counter play..I don't understand considering you gave examples of Damage from Assassins that are in their own right extremely tough to kill and have a kit designed to be slippery, to 2 Mages who after they blow their load are basically free kills unless they have flash..Kennen is slightly less free since he can increase movespeed but that's nothing compared to a Zed Shadow or Talon E. Are you saying that Assassins should be able to kill multiple people at once? (Katarina?) or that mages shouldn't? If a Mage can't kill someone or multiple people at once then why would anyone play a mage? Wouldn't they all just play Assassins since it would be less risk and similar payout? I'm pretty sure that by Design, Mages are suppose to be able to do damage to multiple ppl with abilities and have less ways to escape after they use those abilities, while a Assassins job is to target 1 person at a time and kill them and get out. could you elaborate on what you are exactly saying? btw, if someone is extremely fed then it literally doesn't matter what champ they are playing so long as it's something with damage, they will be able to 1 v 9 and make you feel worthless.
: Riot Jungle has too much Weight in the game.
hmmm, i disagree with basically everything you just said JG is without a doubt a interesting role for sure but it's also asked to do quite a bit and because of that I think it is actually slightly under tuned tbh. I don't play JG but a JG is asked to do a lot across the entire map and if they do it well they should have a pretty dynamic and powerful impact on the game and if they don't do well you should feel it around the map. There are a lot of different JG champs atm and not all can lv 2 gank just so thats clear and the ones that can lv 2 gank are fairly obvious so you should expect the possibility of it. Generally it's snowbally jg's or JG's that have early CC, I mean in theory it's possible for a Yi to lv 2 gank but if there isn't a lot of CC on their team it's actually a waste of time if they did. I would say you should probably play JG and see for yourself
: Hey, remember this quote? >AND if you are having fun while LOSING?! Then just wow, I'd recommend you invest in a Therapist ASAP Yeah, now compare it to this: >if i lose then it inspires me to play again and more often but also to look at how i can improve and the mistakes I made as well as what my opponent did to beat me. Pretty sure these phrases don't agree with each other.
i didn't say it was fun losing, so they actually are not in contradiction. i talked about what can be gained from a loss..fun wasnt really one of those things
: Marksman doesn't mean just ADC, correct. For example Quinn is _**MEANT**_ to go top, when she is a marksman. But _**TRISTANA**_, on the other hand, was just meant for ADC. That's all Riot designed her for. Yes, she has the kit that _**allows**_ her to go jungle, or mid lane, or top lane, without being useless, but that doesn't mean they meant for her to go there. That's just her kit. They meant for her to be used for _**ADC ONLY**_. Here's a thought. I liked going Tank {{champion:103}} Top. I never lost lane. I fed sometimes, but never lost lane. Ahri loses against a lot of Top Laners and was never seen by Riot as a Top Laner. Neither was she seen as going Tank. Ever. But guess what? I did it. Both at once. That doesn't mean picking that is trolling. If I win, I win. If I lose, I lose. Unless I pick someone like {{champion:350}} in a solo lane, that relies heavily on allies, I'm not trolling. I loved playing AP {{champion:412}} Jungle. He isn't supposed to be a Jungler, and he doesn't have that good of a kit to be one. His AOE doesn't do enough damage, and his attack speed is too low. He is also mana hungry, so he _**SHOULD**_ be useless in the Jungle without Blue Buff. But guess what? I played it. And I almost always carried the game. I'm not trolling, am I?
everything you wrote, just made me literally do a facepalm irl that isn't off-meta, that is in fact trolling Like i said before, if you picked that then basically you are relying on your Team Mates to constantly rotate to you every time the enemy jg breathes on you; the moment they don't then you are just free. That is less about you and more about your team, they are essentially 4 v 5 and having to carry you and babysit every where you go; that's pretty scum bag stuff right there
: Marksman doesn't mean just ADC, correct. For example Quinn is _**MEANT**_ to go top, when she is a marksman. But _**TRISTANA**_, on the other hand, was just meant for ADC. That's all Riot designed her for. Yes, she has the kit that _**allows**_ her to go jungle, or mid lane, or top lane, without being useless, but that doesn't mean they meant for her to go there. That's just her kit. They meant for her to be used for _**ADC ONLY**_. Here's a thought. I liked going Tank {{champion:103}} Top. I never lost lane. I fed sometimes, but never lost lane. Ahri loses against a lot of Top Laners and was never seen by Riot as a Top Laner. Neither was she seen as going Tank. Ever. But guess what? I did it. Both at once. That doesn't mean picking that is trolling. If I win, I win. If I lose, I lose. Unless I pick someone like {{champion:350}} in a solo lane, that relies heavily on allies, I'm not trolling. I loved playing AP {{champion:412}} Jungle. He isn't supposed to be a Jungler, and he doesn't have that good of a kit to be one. His AOE doesn't do enough damage, and his attack speed is too low. He is also mana hungry, so he _**SHOULD**_ be useless in the Jungle without Blue Buff. But guess what? I played it. And I almost always carried the game. I'm not trolling, am I?
i would say pretty clearly that you don't actually understand the strategy behind putting things in other roles. For instance AP Thresh Jg, is pretty troll, you are actually literally the example i am talking about in my original post. Playing that in a game regardless of norms or not is just a waste of time. That is a ridiculous pick and i doubt you "almost always carried the game" that is hyperbole or you just having a really selective memory. The intention is what matters, you playing AP Thresh JG it's pretty clear that you are playing with the intent to do whatever you want, you are trying to prove something and you don't care if it's at the expense of other peoples enjoyment. You want to prove that you can make some bullshit work, and you probably won't make it work consistently but in a handful of games you may and you have a select memory of remembering the 2 games you had a 15 kda or something crazy and you completely forgot about the other 10 games where you hard fed the other team and made your mates FF @ 15. I would rather see Thresh Support but him building ADC or ATK Speed or something weird like that then seeing him played AP Jg..That is so cringe just thinking about it. There are ways to be creative without being extremely stupid and i see if you honestly are playing AP Thresh JG that you don't understand the game or the champ. Wanna know what the prob with that is? It's about hitting a R, see if you wanted that same effect you just play Amumu jg and play full ap and you get a much more effectiveness with a R and gives your team a great chance to win. Even Malphite, same idea, big nuke dmg and the what not. Playing Thresh AP JG is just stupid, because once you are put behind by anyone with a brain who invades you, you will almost always be hind. His kit would make clearing anything really difficult, so it means ppl can literally just walk into your jg and you will have to give up camps unless your team mates are constantly rotating to help you which brings back to my point in the original post; i would have to spend a huge amount of time trying to carry your troll pick and thus my enjoyment of the game goes down because of that. Honestly after you say these things i see why you replied to so many things, you are the type of player i am directly speaking to, you are a troll and don't even realize it! How crazy is that! I mean if you are playing AP Thresh JG you may as well go play Yummi Jg or Yummi Top, it doesn't matter since you are trolling either way, trying to justify the degree's of your trolling is just insane.
Teh Song (NA)
: 1. It's only inting if they have an actual goal of dying on purpose. If they don't have the thought "I am going to pointedly allow the enemy to kill me" they aren't inting, no matter how much they die. 2. People who play for fun DO play to win, just as much as you do. That's the game. That's how it works. The fun is in playing to win. The difference is that their enjoyment is not hinged to a victory popup at the end. Their enjoyment is in the attempt. Here's what it comes down to: If you actually enjoy a game, be it this game or any other, you don't have to win to have fun. You don't. You *DON'T*. You try to, but you still have fun if you fail. If ever you (or anyone else) is playing any game and only enjoys that game when you win, *you don't actually enjoy that game*. You just enjoy winning. Let me say that again. If you have to win to have fun, you don't actually like the game, you just like winning. That's a fact. An objective fact. If you don't like a game, you shouldn't waste your time playing it. If you don't enjoy LoL even when you lose, you don't actually like LoL, and shouldn't waste your time playing it. Alternatively, you could stick to bots, where you don't have to worry about losing. Either way, **you**, op, as the one who needs to win to have fun in this game, should stop playing pvp. You should improve the status of your own life by finding a game you actually enjoy to spend your time on, for your own sake. A game where you still have fun if you lose. Which, to circle back around to the point I started with, doesn't mean you aren't trying to win. You still are, you just don't need to to enjoy it.
Wrong, the competition is why you play; when you eliminate the competition you are playing something completely different. There's a reason why there are 2 teams playing against one another and it's to play against the other team, simple as that; believe it or not there are many people who ENJOY competition! Whether it be in norms or ranked and that's why we play. I along with quite a few other people in the World, play for Competition; this is literally why any Team Game exists, "Competition breeds success" have you ever heard that quote? It's a old one but there's a lot you can learn from Competition Team Based Games and when you can consistently Win in those Games with a new set of team mates every game it's a way for you to track your own progress and really measure what it is you are doing right and wrong. Also when you lose in those games you can see ways to improve or get creative and come up with new ideas on how to win the next game This is just one but not the only thing when it comes to the integrity of Competitive Based Team Games. When the games are about even teams fighting to see who will prevail, that is a good game and will more than likely give more fun factor to multiple different people because each got to experience some form of competition as well as involvement in it. Contributing to the Team and Winning is more rewarding than picking a troll pick and losing. I would say without a doubt that people are super afraid of losing and so they pick things where they are probably expected to lose so when they lose they can just tell themselves "Well I played this champ in a really weird role so it's ok we lose" and psychologically that is a really sad thing, that you are so afraid to lose even in a game with nothing on the line that you would play something so random out of fear and subject the other ppl on your team to try and adapt on the fly (on the fly means spur of the moment) to your snowflake mentality. I'd say pretty clearly that most of the people around the World are completely ok with playing to Win / playing to Compete, that is what is standard in literally every Game / Sport, it's not like me saying this is somehow some new idea. I mean Soccer/Futbol is the most popular sport World Wide and there are literally Millions and Millions of Fans and people who play; there are literally Millions of people who practice it every day to improve and get better and there are literally Millions of people who are competing against each other playing that game and playing to Win every day. I don't see people take their Shoes off in the middle of a Basketball game and play without wearing them because "They would have more fun with just wearing socks", why is that? Yet in this game and other Online Games people have become ok with some distorted view of what it means to play a Game. Competition is not bad! Asking your Team Mates to be Competitive IS NOT BAD! When you blatantly decide to distort the Competitive nature of the game then that makes you a TROLL flat out and it's sad when ppl have lied to themselves that they don't actually see themselves as trolling when they are. If 99 ppl are playing to win and pick things that have varying degree's of success but can be successful then they are playing to win. If you are playing against that as the 1 out of 100 who is playing off in their own world picking things that have little chance of success then yes that makes you a troll and hiding behind the statement of "for fun" shouldn't be allowed if i am being frank because it ruins the game for the other 99
Ventace (NA)
: Ranked games are where you play to win. Trolling/inting (and in some cases even off-Meta picks) are bannable there. But in normal games, people have fun in their own ways. A Yasuo main who wins less than half their games would probably be having more fun than if he were spamming Jinx ADC (currently 53.20% Winrate and 6.79% Banrate on champion.gg Plat+ at the time of writing) just to have the best odds of winning. A person playing Irelia ADC a ton in normals would probably be having a lot more fun than someone spamming Janna support just to try to win every game. If you're the type of person who feels an absolute need to win every single game, then your ego is far too fragile for a game where you might lose. You should try an MMO if you just never want to lose.
playing to win doesn't make you toxic or a cry baby. competition is what makes the game fun, if the competition isn't even then the game isn't fun; the point of the win is to reward competition..So when you taint the integrity of the competition you also lesson the reward, so it becomes harder for others to have fun. Just like in any other competition, I can play chess against someone and we both play to win; if i lose then it inspires me to play again and more often but also to look at how i can improve and the mistakes I made as well as what my opponent did to beat me. If my opponent just does whatever, and screws around though from start to finish then me playing them isn't really accomplishing anything other than wasting time. If i lose it would be more of a let down then anything and if i win it's one of those cases where it's because i was suppose to win; so the competition is lessened and the fun factor goes out the window. I would actually say a player who has a "Pick whatever cause I play for fun" mentality are the ones with fragile mental, they can't even handle a simple competition in a video game and are so afraid of just getting shit on and not being good enough so they pick bullshit so even if they feed they can always just be like "well i picked something that is fun for me". They are the same ones who flip out when you let them know they need to ward before they push so heavily into the other teams towers; the same ones you can never give any sort of constructive tips to because they are so fragile snowflakes. They have the mental of a child who are use to get trophy's for 7th place and things like that
: >Winning IS FUN! If you aren't having Fun while winning then I have to seriously question your mental! AND if you are having fun while LOSING?! Then just wow, I'd recommend you invest in a Therapist ASAP Did you literally just say everyone who doesn't think like you is mentally challenged? Wow dude, that's extreme. That is bannable in-game.
getting therapy doesn't mean you are mentally challenged.
: So now you are gonna be toxic to me? You sure sound like a great sport, kid. And why complain about it if you haven't encountered it? LEAVE IT ALONE IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN TO YOU
thats a really narrow minded approach by that logic i should ignore racist since it hasn't happened to me right? it's about integrity, the integrity of the game as well as the competition and i can tell you don't understand what that is otherwise you would've already understood why
: > he isn't a top laner and so taking him top is trolling
correct, braum isn't a top laner because his kit cannot transition/carry over to any other lane. It's his design that limits him, if he were designed differently then it'd be possible but because his kit is so narrow with how it functions it cannot transition to other lanes well and so therefore he is not a top laner and taking him top is trolling
: She is _**MEANT**_ for ADC, nothing else. If you really think you are all for people picking things off-meta, then don't throw that statement in the garbage later by saying the complete opposite.
she is a Marksmen, that doesn't mean she is only meant for Bot lane. Just listen to what you are saying, like i said before, i'm for off - meta stuff, and my statements directly support that..I play Swain Support Sometimes and i did that before ppl in LCK were doing it, and now it's a thing but not a popular thing..It's off-meta Just because someone is a Mage doesn't mean they are only meant for Midlane, just because someone is Marksmen doesn't mean they are only meant for Bot lane (kindred and graves say hi) the difference between looking at the role and understanding the strength of the champ is how you define if it can be plugged into a different lane or not. The strengths and how it builds, all these things matter as well as the matchups you would encounter, these all matter. So the reason why Braum top sucks balls is more about the matchups that you would face but also about the dmg capability braum can do. If you wanted a Tank you could just pick a tank who was designed to go into the lane, picking Braum doesn't do anything better than those tanks that already exist, nor does Braum hard counter anything really that would be in the top lane, nor can he really abuse any items so therefore his capbility in the top lane is pretty much nil and picking him would be really troll because of that.
: Are you dumb? That's exactly what you said. To summarize, you said if you pick a champ that doesn't belong in that lane, then you will feed. Tristana doesn't belong in top or mid. Pyke doesn't belong mid. Rito recognized that and gutted his wave clear to stop it. Braum Top _**DOES**_ in fact prove useful in team fights. He may not be a good pusher, but that's why Demolish exists. In team fights he blocks damage for his team and makes sure the enemies can't get away. He also won several times when I saw him go top.
That isn't what I said, I said "I'm all for people picking things off-meta" you should go re-read my original post instead of trying to put words in my mouth Pyke Mid and Top never had nothing to do with his wave clear at all, it was always about his skirmish, they nerfed his wave clear to make his mid and top lane picks less powerful but he is still strong because his R is strong. Tristana belongs top the same reason why Vayne and Quinn can be top but she actually seiges down towers which is why she is powerful and she is way safer than Vayne because she can just jump away. YOU don't understand why they work, Tristana Top is probably better than Trista ADC tbh, because she has a way easier time abusing Melee matchups and doesn't have to worry about fighting other ADCs, she can literally farm safe, harass safe and if she over extends it's whateva cause she jumps away or buster shot away. p.s. No He didn't, link the game or shut up, i literally made up the Braum top just to be super exaggerated, ppl don't play that shit and the fact you want to claim that means you didn't even understand that i was using a super extreme example for the sake of detailing what it is i am talking about..I could've just said Teemo sup or Singed supp but I felt like going even further would be a better example to show what i am directly speaking to..The fact you didn't understand that i was using a very exaggerated example that wasn't actually real just lets me know you are just trying to argue for the sake of it
: I think it was either season 5 or 6. But I used to see it quite a bit and they would usually do good. Just because a Champ doesn't belong in a lane doesn't mean they will feed. For example Pyke Mid was one of the Top Mid Laners for a while, even though he wasn't meant to be there. Tristana Mid and Top is a thing now and even though she is meant to be ADC, not Top and Mid, she still wins a lot. And tons more.
that is completely different lol you don't even understand. pyke mid and top has literally nothing to do with his lane presence and everything to do with his skirmish potential, any fight he is in he can win with his R and just clean up instantly so having him in 1 of those lanes even if he were to lose lane hard is worth cause the minute the lane phase ends he can make sure your team wins any fight. That isn't trolling Tristana (as well as many other ADCs who get put top) are there to specifically hard abuse the Range v Melee matchups but trist also has the expressed purpose of sieging down towers like a beast. These are different advantages that they give your team, which isn't the same as picking something "for fun" just because, in fact these 2 are pretty much the exact opposite! The ppl understood how strong these 2 picks were in other lanes/roles and how they can be strong team mates. Playing Braum Top neither Wins lanes nor Sieges well, nor does having Braum give you a specific Team Advantage outside of lane phase. So picking that because you want to play it for fun Top is pretty troll Just because YOU don't understand the difference doesn't mean there isn't one and no braum top wasn't a thing in s5 or 6
: Complaining about people having fun and doing out-of-the-ordinary things making you lose? Yeah. I think so.
> [{quoted}](name=saphireflame123,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tydBQ4F6,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-19T02:17:51.107+0000) > > Complaining about people having fun and doing out-of-the-ordinary things making you lose? > > Yeah. I think so. welp you are wrong sir, has nothing to do with any game i've played actually, can check my op.gg and all of my games, i haven't actually had any of these things in my games. so you are basically talking out of your ass
: I play for fun but I do my best because I enjoy learning new ways to play (new champs) but idc if i win or not as long as i can do well and progress. it sucks losing real bad when you can barely play because u insta die but other than that idc.
the intention of the picks is what i'm talking about, not about the mentality of the average player and i think it's important that people understand that. It's not about me questioning what people believe is fun, it's more so the excuse that people use when they purposely pick something that is pretty troll. This is why I specifically brought up something like a bruam top pick after having hovered something like a Jax or Aatrox and Swapping in the last second. The excuse of the pick is what I am directly speaking to and challenging, NOT the definition of what is fun. The same ppl who get banned for the picks such as but not limited to Teemo Support and Singed Support, these are 2 picks that have had people be banned for playing and even with them having great win rates and all that they are essentially playing in a way that puts their teams at a disadvantage because it's just statistically worse and maybe if you have coordination it'd work, sure but in random 5 man teams the % goes way down. So that same sort of premise is what i'm talking about, playing really random things in weird roles and then saying "I'm playing for fun"
: "Spoken like a Real Loser!" Your whole argument is Like, just because you lost you have to complain about it and get upset. That's what "Real Losers" do.
who said i lost? i don't remember saying that at all actually i win pretty frequently because i enjoy learning strategy and practicing those strategies.
: "I'm playing for fun" isn't an excuse. Its truth.
do you play a lot of practice mode or bots?
: Braum Top actually works though. Especially a few seasons ago where people did it so often. Trolling isn't just picking off-meta and ending up feeding, trolling is purposely giving up the game.
lol no man, what season was that? Nobody recently has done Braum top with consistent results because he isn't a top laner and so taking him top is trolling Durrr, You pick him and you WILL feed, flat out and just because you like that champ wouldn't make the result different. Just because you picked the champ without the expressed purpose of trolling doesn't mean you weren't trolling, it just means you were / are either A) too stupid or B) too prideful to realize that the champ shouldn't be in that lane because it doesn't do well in any matchup and gives little win condition to your team. You may have gone in (for whatever reason) thinking "OMG I Think Braum TOP Is OP" but Braum is in fact really shit Top, and so because you did this you ended up trolling because you basically ruined the game for your team. You may not have been malicious with your intent but that doesn't mean you weren't trolling
: This is a game. Games are supposed to be fun. Not only when you win, but all the time. What is a game to you? You're not _**always**_ going to win.
it's about the competitive nature of the game. playing and losing can be fun if you feel like you and your team were beaten by players who just played better than you, that's why there is a winning and losing team. that is tainted when you have ppl play things that have very little chance of winning or when they are playing just to do whatever they want, you are already put in a disadvantage by having that player on your team and so the integrity of the competition is actually corrupted and spoiled and so the Fun factor of competing against players similar skill and knowledge capability just goes out of the window and instead it's about trying to carry the person who isn't trying to compete
Xphineas (NA)
: Well then lets say this braum top you talked about hard won top and I mean 15/0 won, I doubt you would call that said person a troll... would you?
i absolutely would Taking Braum Top and just happen to pop off is just a unicorn moment and it doesn't make the pick less troll in any way, it just means they just happen to pop off which can happen eventually if you play enough game. If you play 100 games, statistically speaking in 1 of them it is for sure possible for you to go 15/0, but the 99 other times you feed your ass off.. Now just because i happen to see the 1 out of 100 doesn't excuse you for messing up the game 99 other times does it? Absolutely not
: Actually playing for fun means I'm trying to win but if I don't, I'm not going to be a whiney little puke about it. If you must win to have fun, then playing the game isn't fun on its own and you should quit and play a game you will have fun playing on its own.
Spoken like a Real Loser! The Game exists for there to be a Winning team and a losing team, it's not a Sandbox where there is no winner. Why play with other ppl at all if the attitude you have is "Just to play" You could do that in bots (OR in PRactice!) and play whatever you want! Seriously just think about what you are saying "I play to have fun because the game should be played for fun" Yeah, that's what bots are for, you can screw off in there and do whatever you want and not impact 9 other peoples enjoyment The point is YOU are NOT the only person playing! And the Game doesn't revolve around your perspective of what Fun is! If you enjoy being Bad, then hey that's all you man, if you enjoy INTing and running around and never CSing then hey that's you, cool beans, BUT when you take your mentality into a Game with 9 other people who all are playing to win then you are actually pretty negatively impacting the game experience for others. I mean honestly, if you are just playing to waste time then take your ass into Practice mode and screw off there, you can literally do whatever you want any time you want and have every cheat in the game basically! Taking into Norms or Ranked with that mentality of basically "Whatever" is bullshit and it's not healthy in any way shape or form! Why do I or the rest of the players who are legit trying to win and perform have to be your prisoner? That isn't fair! Why don't you play practice? Or bots? If you are playing to play? Obviously you are lying with your premise of "Playing to play" Cause if what you said were true you wouldn't subject 9 other ppl to your bullshit
Xphineas (NA)
: I honestly disagree. For me "fun" is playing off meta, like shen jungle or nocturne support, while also playing a off meta build. Winning for me isnt fun, but the game in itself is fun.
then you should respect the other 4 ppl on your team and take your noc support off meta build into bots. If you don't want to win nor want to play to win then essentially you are putting your Team and yes this is a team based game, in a disadvantage for the 1 and 10 chance that your champ works. Really it's not fun and basically you are trolling. Off Meta doesn't mean troll, let's get that straight. Shen jg isn't troll but noc support is because of how noc scales and needs a lot of items that are high cost to be effective. Shen JG works because shen is built to have a lot of impact around the map and in team fights so if you were to play him jg that would be off meta for sure but wouldn't be troll because you still have a team advantage with your pick. Noc is completely different then shen even though both have ulti's that can impact around the map, Noc needs a lot more to be effective and then putting him in a role where he will statistically get much less Gold means even if you get ahead you will still be way behind. So yeah, that's just you not knowing when you are trolling and when you aren't. Winning isn't fun? Spoken like a real loser
Rioter Comments
: Galio has the lowest pickrate in the game and for some reason jax and lux deserves buffs before him?
i play galio support still; idk i think he is good still tbh still same ol' galio, the no flash W thing is kinda stupid tho, if i want to blow a 5 min CD for a Taunt i should be able to; that's the trade but whateva..Same thing wit Taric flash E..
suhdooh (NA)
: teammate criticism
so criticism is allowed but most of the players here are not very receptive to any sort of it even if you are constructive. the skin is thin and crusty having said that; if you are going to say anything you have got to got to pick your words carefully, RIOT is really serious about toxicity now to the point where even if you said "Man we lost this tower cause of this play you just made, thanks for losing us the game" even though i didn't cuss or anything that could be reported and bannable because it's "toxic" I would just say if you want to say anything you have got to get really creative or say nothing. Skin is wicked thin though and ppl tilt insanely easy, even if you were super calm and mild and were like "Hey could we try and do this (fill in suggestion) instead of just keep going mid" you could prolly get flamed by your teammates (happens to me all the time) just for suggesting anything. League in a nutshell has a lot of super big egos but super trash soy boy beta bitches who play it; so you roll that all up and you get a very narrow line you have to walk. Better to not say anything tbh
: Real supports < APC bot lane ---why is that
Tbh, if you are a ADC the fact is that most of the ADC who play that role just suck they can't carry consistently for shit! I'm talking the Elo where I am, Silver..You think I'm gonna play Raka for this shit tier Ezreal player? Who has a 25% WR and avgs 2 cs a min? HELL NO If I play a lot of the old school supports I am putting my MMR and my chances at climbing in the hands of someone less capable then me, that's partially cause I know they are gonna suck and partially cause the Marksmen role isn't very good this season. If these ppl actually understood how reliable mages were we would see more APC in the ADC role, because flat out the dmg from things like Swain, Cass, Taliyah (for example) is right there on par with things like Draven/Lucian or higher but ofc with its own set of drawbacks. The biggest part of being a support is being able to support the team, I do that; I am not the ADC's support, in lane sure i'm his buddy but my goal is to support the map and it's silly that these players who play ADC are such shit that they need their hand held every second, Oh God forbid that I roam and make a play somewhere on the map, or get deep vision in enemy jg! Holy smokes these players are babies! they spam ping me over and over! They push the lane when they SEE ME going to roam and then these idiots die and blame me?! Yea sorry but most ADCs are not good, they have no idea of what they are doing, they only want to get gold so they can get their 3 items and try and do things but they can't cs they don't know when to freeze the lane at all (most have no idea how to control the wave at all) they have no idea when to push the wave (it's a joke watching them tell me i need to not hit the minions, i laugh cause i know they are just really really bad) and you want me to play Raka or Lulu with these ppl? sry but no absolutely not If i'm in ranked I'll pick something with CC for sure, with engage, with dmg potential, and with map presence but also things I know that when (not if) my adc starts to feed i'll be able to take over the game and give my team a chance, that's how i support; I am the midlaner 2 .0 in most games, even if mid and adc feed, we still have a chance. Don't like it? Learn to play better so we don't have to carry u
Kei143 (NA)
: You should try RFC kennen. He'll make you cry for that specific game.
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=HT4I5Pp1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-10T04:23:28.746+0000) > > You should try RFC kennen. > > He'll make you cry for that specific game. omg i tried this once and i was like OMG this is soooo dumb! dont put RFC on Ken ever!
: shut the fu up donny, you're out of your element
those are some good burgers dood
: Explain to me the appeal of TFT.
it's the same reason people enjoy Chess; It's about the strategy of the game. You are right in some respects, much of the game is RNG, not just Champs but Items and also who you are playing as well; with all these unknown elements that's how you measure skill because there are so many 'moving pieces', so many variables; so many ppl trying to make their own comps and all sorts of different things you are playing against. This is the appeal and this is the game; it's about having an idea of what you want to do, but also what your opponents are doing (remember you can always see their positioning and champs) and when all of these elements combine you get a very complex game, although it does and can seem simple when you are new to it but the more you play the more you see the layers of decision making that is required. There are many limitations as well which even further increase the difficulty in what can be done. in some cases it's possible there is no 'right' answer/play but only the play that is the least 'wrong'. I'd say TFT and AutoChess in general is more similar to the complexity of real time war more so than traditional Chess but that's just me i suppose.
: Bronze people just want to get out of bronze whereas I find silver people always think they need to carry themselves out of silver and can’t trust their shitty tewmmates
man in silver its a bunch of ppl just fighting trying to show they can but they have HORRID decision making! I'm a pretty aggro player (can check my mobalytics if you don't believe) these ppl just mindlessly take any fight whenever they see a person on the map, doesn't matter if they are 2 or 3 levels behind the person(s) they see that Red Picture Icon they run to them; don't matter if there are 3 or 4 or 5, doesn't matter if you can get easy towers or just ignore those ppl all together (or use it to get objectives other side of map) they only know how to do 1 thing and most of them are pretty bad at it. I'm silver 4 and i can honestly say that since i've been here in this elo that most of the players here are actually worse than the people that i was in Bronze with (and i climbed from B3). How the shit are these ppl so bad at just common basic macro? Isn't Silver 3 or something suppose to be "Average"? If that's Average then HOLY SHIT that is really scary
Ieafboom (NA)
: What champs do you LIKE seeing on the enemy team?
{{champion:136}} {{champion:60}} {{champion:429}} {{champion:2}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:115}}
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Εlin (EUW)
: Give me your top 3 strongest and weakest champs in TFT
Favorite: 1) {{champion:555}} 2) {{champion:25}} 3){{champion:106}} Least Favorite: 1) {{champion:60}} 2){{champion:114}} 3) {{champion:104}} / {{champion:421}}
: Twisted Fate is definitely not on the top-picks list. He's actually in need of (and receiving) buffs due to his relatively low impact. Later in the game, I'd call all of the following great picks in almost any situations: * Akali * Cho'Gath * Draven * Gnar * Pyke * Lulu * Shyvana * Aatrox * Kennen * Aurelion Sol * Sejuani * Swain * Yasuo * Kayle All of them either offer enough power at 2-3 stars to just be solid even by themselves *and/or* have some sort of gamechanging ultimate that's worth dropping into most comps.
I didn't say he was a top pick, i said he is low risk and high reward and offers a lot of stability without any sort of major drawbacks. TF can plug into almost any comp because of the nature of Blue Card mostly but he still offers CC (randomly) as well as decent dmg, for sure he falls off late but like I said, he gives really good plug-n potential to stabilize until you figure out what your comp is. As for the things you listed, I wouldn't call most of those Staples. A Staple is something good where it can be put into any comp and do well; Aatrox is definitely not that he needs a lot, Similar to some of the other things you listed. Being Good Scaling isn't really what a staple is, nor is it something that is suppose to hard carry, although it could. Draven and Asol are probably the only 2 Damage Dealers that could really be Staple picks. Karthus as well
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: Going into Late Game Without Being Able to Make a Level 3 Champion
i won a game where i had no lv 3's and only 1 champion bonus (Robot) i had a ridiculous amount of CC though, 2 lv 2 pykes both with 2 items; Blitzcrank a lv 2 lulu with i think 1 item, I had a Brand lv 2 with i think it was a seraph's. i don't really think you need lv 3's to win consistently unless you are hyper rolling every game specifically for that purpose. Items matter more imo and then CC and then DMG; the things you play don't really matter as long as it does 1 or multiple things well, that's one of the reasons why things like Pyke, Lulu and Twisted Fate are staples to me, they just splash into almost any comp and can do a lot and even if you run 2 of them they still are really good.
: A meta game absolutely does not take time to develop. A meta game is simply the broader strategies and tactics that are being played. It may change quickly and drastically, but it always exists.
no that's not what it is, it means the most effective team advantage. When there is no baseline there is no meta, it's a time of establishment of what the meta would may or could eventually be.
: Lol there was a meta forming before the game hit live servers.
WRONG! There were speculations on what is good and why! That doesn't make it meta! When you talk about being "Meta" It takes stats, cold hard numbers that back up the premise "This is the best / most effective" If I say "I like Blademasters cause I win a lot with them" That doesn't mean that Blademasters are Meta, My opinion could be that I enjoy them and like how they fight more than others, so I personally put higher priority into getting those but that doesn't mean that Blademasters are Meta. Meta is based on what works consistently and most importantly has a large amount of data to back it up. Just because your favorite streamer or author says something is good that doesn't make it Meta..Sorry bub, there is no meta yet because there is no data yet; we can't see the trends because Riot hasn't released a lot of things yet because it's a new game.
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