: > [{quoted}](name=DJ Hatsune Miku,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EyrjQqFh,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-12-05T19:20:12.630+0000) > > My primary concern about Glacial Augment triggering on Summer Spell is that it could push low CC/ult reliant junglers over the edge in terms of ganking. For instance, giving someone like Skarner or Yi a 50% slow could very much increase their gank potency to a degree that isn't healthy for the game. Forcing them to have to purchase an item first delays it to where they probably already have ult and then the slow isn't really a huge factor in their ability to secure a kill. > (sorry im still learning how the formatting of these posts works so if anything looks weird or wonky thats my bad) you do bring up a valid point here, but you have to realise that on these champions, what are they giving up to gain said things, the persision tree provides alot more useful stats as well as alot more mid to late game power to these champions, as well as forcing them to get an early item to help them with their ganking, it might just push them over the edge i do believe but at the same time what are they giving up to do this, a very good damage keystone and a good tree as well as forcing them into blue smite instead of red smite for this type of gameplay. its somewhat like the predator rune almost in this regard but requiring a more expensive item but having a more powerful effect such as an AOE slow rather than a single target slow which does help immensely with mid to later fights on these champs. you do bring up alot of good points on balancing but i hope this explains my mindset on my purposed changes :) >From a support perspective I feel that, while Glacial can be interesting for tanky supports like Leona, it doesn't particularly add any additional kill potential or peel as Exhaust already has a slow. For ranged supports Kleptomancy just seems waaaay too good to ever take anything else. The additional gold gain and sustain is just not something you can swap out very easily. If you do swap it, it's generally not for another inspiration Keystone in my experience. > again imo this is an opportunity cost on most of these champions, but you do bring up a good point on kleptomancy as the opportunity cost argument doesn't hold up here, but i feel like i can do an entire post on this idea, but if you wish i could discuss this point with you if you wish >I think Glacial is niche but close. I haven't played with it enough to have any concrete ideas of how to improve it but if I were to make any changes it would instead be giving the active portion a small internal CD and allowing it to proc based on stacking a debuff or something. I feel the intention of the area slow was a mid-game power spike but a 50% slow zone isn't strong enough compared to other options. > personally i dont think any rune should truly be niche imo, but i do agree with you on the points you bring up here. i personally believe this keystone should be able to be more viable while providing some cool effects (heh bad pun) to use in game. all in all i love the AOE frost zone idea but i believe there should be some more reliable way to proc this effect without limiting it to a few set of items :)
Yeah you definitely want things to not be niche, even if it does feel good to have a niche little goodie that only your champ can utilize well. It ultimately just ends up with it being balanced around them or them around it. My main issue with the opportunity cost argument for Glacial on these champs, especially on champs like Yi, but bruisers like Skarner can get by without them. Even then, on carry champs like Yi getting ahead is more important than some extra lifesteal or damage. I feel, especially recently, anything that can secure you an early advantage is better than late game boosts through Precision. Getting an IE at 10 minutes is sometimes all you need to win the game. I think the real issue with Glacial is it's kind of... Bland? It's effective, it can be powerful, but it doesn't feel like it's something that should be a defining keystone. It seems almost interchangable with stuff like Celestial Body. When they detailed Inspiration it made it seems like the tree that kind of rewrites the rules of the game but Glacial is just... A generic slow effect lol. Why even take a keystone that has an item that does what it does better? If anything, it should be swapped with Dark Harvest from Domination and given a more potent passive effect to fit the power level of that tree better.
: Some ideas for glacial augment secondary effect
My primary concern about Glacial Augment triggering on Summer Spell is that it could push low CC/ult reliant junglers over the edge in terms of ganking. For instance, giving someone like Skarner or Yi a 50% slow could very much increase their gank potency to a degree that isn't healthy for the game. Forcing them to have to purchase an item first delays it to where they probably already have ult and then the slow isn't really a huge factor in their ability to secure a kill. From a support perspective I feel that, while Glacial can be interesting for tanky supports like Leona, it doesn't particularly add any additional kill potential or peel as Exhaust already has a slow. For ranged supports Kleptomancy just seems waaaay too good to ever take anything else. The additional gold gain and sustain is just not something you can swap out very easily. If you do swap it, it's generally not for another inspiration Keystone in my experience. I think Glacial is niche but close. I haven't played with it enough to have any concrete ideas of how to improve it but if I were to make any changes it would instead be giving the active portion a small internal CD and allowing it to proc based on stacking a debuff or something. I feel the intention of the area slow was a mid-game power spike but a 50% slow zone isn't strong enough compared to other options.
: PBE
Hey The Crotoanic, This topic is something that's more suitable for the Help & Support board you can find [here.](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/f/osqw6G4M) Gameplay is reserved for threads that have to do with playing the game or discussion of the game itself rather than technical assistance. As this thread is off-topic I will be locking it. You are free to repost your thread in the appropriate sub-board, however! If you have questions or concerns about this action please visit us in the [PB&M channel of the Moderation Discord here](https://discordapp.com/invite/zjUGbwD). -DJ Hatsune Miku
: Level 75 support main looking for Guide to do dungeon runs!!!
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TenTrill (EUNE)
: PLS NERF KaTA
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Cunky (NA)
: "ggez" "trash" "noob"
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: As strange as it sounds, apparently "You son of a Yasuo Player" is now a valid insult
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: Looking for a coach.. (if that's what you wanna call it.)
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C9 Snick (EUW)
: GP Main Stream Ranked
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: > [{quoted}](name=Corsair Sion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=872fWmfh,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-07-26T21:02:55.398+0000) > > If youre on riot's balance team you MUST be Master + idc or at least diamond 2 theres no way that these silver players should be balancing this game and throwing buffs around like that Riot's moderators have started to delete comments where I point out what bracket people are in. I agree with you, but even saying that is very dangerous.
Hey Dominick Destine, I'd like to use this opportunity to both clarify to you and others that might have seen your statement as to what the Wardens do and do not action in the vein of mentioning ranks. First and foremost we wish for the boards to be a fun, inclusive, and engaging community where others can share their thoughts, opinions, and ideas with each other about the game we all love. However, there comes a time where clashing ideals can arise both from playstyle differences and from the ranks in which people play. Someone in Silver, for instance, has vastly different opinions than someone in Diamond. That's fine, that's to be expected, and in fact some people who are in lower ranks can offer valuable insight to others in those ranks. For instance, despite the fact that Malphite is not considered a very good top laner there's definitely arguments to be made that he can be fantastic for players that are either new or lack mechanical skill for higher tier picks. Now, when mentioning rank there are three ways to go about that. The first is what I just did, a broad sweeping generalization that targets no one. That's obviously quite fine because not only am I not targeting anyone specifically it also is spoken in a positive fashion. Stating that silver is a lower rank is not derogatory or hurtful in any fashion because it is just objectively the second lowest rank that is currently available. The second is talking to someone in a respectful manner where rank is relevant. For example, if someone in Bronze is claiming that Orianna is terrible and is having trouble winning with her despite being a very good pick you can use that as an example to say something along the lines of, "Orianna is a very team and farm dependent champion and since bronze players usually are not very team focused she might not be best for someone in your rank. Instead, you should try someone like Lux if you want to play an immobile, utility focused mage as she's more independent." Now, for the third, and the one that we action on, is one I'll use the Orianna example for again. Instead of being respectful and objective with your statements you might instead say something like this. "Well you're in bronze and bronze players are bad and can't farm and don't coordinate so of course you think Ori is bad." While you're saying effectively the same thing this comes across as very inflammatory, insulting, and disrespectful. You've thrown all ability for thoughtful discussion out the window when you pointedly used their rank as a way to discredit their opinions and effectively tell them they suck. That violates the golden rule of our board and thus is grounds for the deletion of a comment. I hope that this post has been informative to you and other that may be reading this. In the future I trust you will keep this in mind for both your own personal conduct and approach to the boards as well as knowing exactly what kind of comments are considered valid reports. Good luck out there Summoner! -DJ Hatsune Miku
: Streaming Kayn Support(NoBs)
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resumed (NA)
: gamebreaking bug found in practice mode by spamming with 100% cdr. literally unplayable
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Donovn (NA)
: Looking for Silver-Gold ADC for My Team
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: *GETTING CUCKED* Feeding The Family : Episode 6
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Dylaan (NA)
: Chill and Fun Stream! (twitch.tv/Delerium93)
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: what is up with ugly nerds saying i'm tilted?
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: Banned for 2 feeders
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Salron (NA)
: The new SKT skins bundle is a fucking STEAL
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: Revert Rengar
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Riven Ost (EUW)
: Wanna play
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: FREE DRAWINGS :)
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: LET'S CELEBRATE! FREE DRAWINGS!
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C9 Snick (EUW)
: Gragas one shot funny montage
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: @riot, please fix your client, it has a major memory leak this last patch
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: LoL is like drugs
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: Just got my 13th mastery 7 champion
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: Does anyone remember the names of these Rioters from the previous board?
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SanKakU (NA)
: ***
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: Why is the hardest champ in the game also the second weakest?
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: LoL Tier 7.13 Top Champions | Solo / Duo Classification | Flexible | C ...
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: #makeapshacogreatagain
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: Hey ADC mains, Can you **** shut up about thornmail counterplay?
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Remus Wins (EUNE)
: Kayn Champion Spotlight
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: RIOT GAMING PLEASE
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ybuR (NA)
: The amount of alternative facts hate on adc is hilarious
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Arnoldo (NA)
: Climbing To Challenger, ADC tips
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: Stopping the bad ranked players.
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SnobyYT (NA)
: Nightblue3 & Dekar Drama | Faker Twisted Fate New build | Gross Gore | L...
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: The CircleJerk around Yasuo
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: I don't want to hear Gl Hf in my ranked games!
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: are there people who watch lcs that didn't get bored of lee sin every game since season2
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: Make LoL 100x better in 1 move.
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: @Meddler, Can we talk about Azir's rework please?
If I'm not mistaken they've sort of tried to balance him around this weird poke playstyle which seems rather counter intuitive to what he's supposed to be. I imagine he's supposed to be in a similar niche as Cassi and I feel like consolidating a lot of his power into his soldiers would make that happen. He's really not a champ that needs a rework, the groundwork for a very high skill cap, high dps mage is there. It just needs to be realized in the correct way. I always thought he was meant to be that sort of dps style mage but last time I saw him in competitive he was doing very little besides Qing people and making them crazy wall plays. Course maybe they don't want characters that can push as hard as Azir can. But that's sorta his thing, isn't it? He's an emperor, leading the march.
: Thank you for taking the time to author such an in-depth post! I enjoyed the read and will continue to re-read it to squeeze as much out of it as possible. On the subject of Sona, do you think she's a worthwhile pick right now? I've never owned her, but I've been at the receiving end of the sheen > lichbane build and it seems to amplify her damage without compromising her utility.
According to op.gg statistics she's actually one of the highest winrate champion at the moment so I would certainly say she's worth picking up. She does take a little getting used to and her being make of tissue paper is something to keep in mind but I find she's very rewarding and a lot of fun to play. But I'm bias, she was actually the character that made me pick up League in the first place. That and her Arcade Skin. 10/10 right there~
: Firstly what time is it in America right now? I swear I always make these when people over there r sleeping. > He's the least damaging tank that relies heavily on his team to capitalize on his strengths. That's the sort of design I want to be considered desirable rather than % health dash city junglers that are currently present. This a thousand times over. I love him because it really is all up to you but not in a way that places you under pressure (like picking a hyper carry who is expected to do so). Getting teams fed and bending them to my will cos they'd love me so much. Was the most enjoyable plan I've ever had the pleasure of doing in this game. But now it's so hard. Him being a good jungler isn't bad at all. You've got the portrait showing you've been around longer than I have, through naut's highs and lows. The jungle was his home, he actually struggled in lane because his W was so loaded and E so weak. He was that jungler that nearly no one picked. One thing I forgot about were item changes: I've been nagging to get quill coat back forever for the sunfire+barbs combo but doubt it'd happen. Mobies more $$, homeguard can't be bought early, locket is sub optimal, banner sub optimal, randuins a shadow of its former self, warmogs health reduction. These also contribute to his current state >So what do we do? I think increasing the damage but decreasing the shield is the sort of path that should be taking. Making it strong enough early to not get chewed through instantly is important. Probably a case of high base but lower scaling. You did lose me a bit here but then cleared up after. I don't think shield size is going to be much of an issue unless it's over buffed. Simply because it wasn't a problem in season 3 and 4 where it'd get pretty dam huge (hell having a just over 800 HP shield was the norm for a late game nautilus back then) and now it'd be huge with allot more damage and health shred in the game. Despite the Q change that you disagree with, what's your thoughts on the rest of it? Too much power? Is the ult animation worth looking into? Doesn't give him enough power? . . From one nauty person to another, would you be kind enough to give a strugglin naut pleb main a helpen hand? What's you general complete build/build order? Is frozen heart worth it as 2nd item? (it always feels like a weak investment) What do u run rune/mastery wise? What's your usual jungle clear path? What camps do you outright ignore? I've tried so many different rune/mastery combos but he's always lacking in a way that is easily exploitable in this meta (not being a Swiss army knife) 1. Windspeakers ferocity 2. Windspeakers resolve 3. Stoneborne cunning 4. Stoneborne ferocity 5. CoC cunning 6. CoC ferocity All were tested with the offensive/utility options if the cunning tree was involved (so add in 4 more combos) * AS reds, armour yellow/brown, MR blue * AS reds, armour yellow/brown, AP blue * AS reds, armour yellow/brown, AS blue * **AS reds, armour yellow, MR blue, MS brown** * AS reds, armour yellow, MR blue, HP brown * AS reds, armour yellow, AP blue, AP brown * AS reds, armour yellow, AP blue, Mpen brown * AS reds, armour yellow, AP blue, AS brown * AS reds, armour yellow, AS blue, AS brown * Mpen reds, armour yellows, AP blues, AP browns All tried in every possible combination but he's always lacking something. He isn't fat enough early/fast enough, clears too slow, always squishy compared to other champs and the list goes on. So far windspeakers resolve with AS, armour, MR and more armour (red, yellow, blue, brown) has given the healthiest clear but he's then so squish against champs and the keystone is wasted without locket. Am I over complicating the issue here?
I think it was around 2:30-3am when I posted this. I'm a terribly night owl lol. On the topic of the shield comment, it was mostly that because of how it was before he could get ahead and in many situations, even vs someone like VI with consistent % damage in duels, you simply couldn't break through his massive shield fast enough for it not to be nearly up again when you did. While there's a lot of % health running around unless it's %true it's reducible and if someone is only smacking you for 8% of like 1400 hp (Since I'm pretty sure shields don't count towards the % health calculation, could be wrong...) they're only doing 112 damage before your 35-40% armor kicks in... Which is like 73 damage. So you have a shield that's ~250 hp to break through at current value. The fact he lost 30 damage a swing at rank 5 was kinda crazy though. Like his damage was pretty potent but it was more so because he could get a huge shield fast, while before when it was a flat 15% bonus HP and a large base the shield had bad scaling I think with all the health values they could explore bonus HP% with a decent base again as a means of making his early clear safer. It could make his late game survivability worse but a small damage buff on top of it could make him better at clearing the jungle without being a crazy duelist if he's ahead. I also like the mobility changes for early game clearing but it could possibly make him too fast or make it so he's too mobile if you can keep hitting terrain. Of course trading your engage tool for movement is a meaningful trade-off so maybe it's not actually so bad. I never really had much issue with the animations as they are but I know that they might be a bit antiquated. As long as they're just animation updates rather than subtle nerfs that is. . . . And shucks man I actually can't say I've played League all that much as of late cause last Season was fairly... Unfun for me. I very rarely have a set build because outside of getting the warding jungle item I basically just built what I thought we needed at the time. That being said I have kinda been buying Righteous Glory first because I want to tailor my build to be a support tank rather than an unkillable juggernaut. I usually get Frozen Heart third if the enemy team is heavy on AD but most often I'll go jungle item>Glory>Legion item (Most often Locket) and then tailor my build from there. Typically I ran AS reds, armor yellow, mr/level blues, and MS quint. Just gotta accept that Nautilus is gunna get bullied pretty hard in the jungle and tailor him just enough to get through the first clear without dying then set him up to be a gank machine afterwards. My CS is usually very low on Naut cause I spend most of my time just ganking everyone and their mother lol. I generally roll with Courage but Grasp is also not bad cause it lets you add a little extra damage. Green Father's is also pretty rad. Clearing can be made easier by managing your attack moves. As you are probably aware when Naut attacks with his shield up his attack animation is locked into a wide swing with the anchor. If you move during it it's canceled, but if you swing and have the "Anchor stuck" animation when your shield breaks he'll still do the "Swing back onto shoulder" attack which applies the damage splash still. Using this can make your clear just a little bit healthier and it's one of the quirks about Naut I love. That combined with the auto attack reset lets you get some fairly decent damage out if you're mindful of all the little quirks of his clear.
: Dear Riot, when and why Nautilus went downhill and returning him to the jungle
Well well, a thread about my boy Nautilus. I've had a lot of mixed feelings about how he's changed in terms of role but I still jungle and support him no matter what. That being said getting him back in the jungle is a very difficult prospect. I'll just rattle off a few things about this and that that go along with what you've proposed. First of all, don't touch Q hitbox. I, and many Nautilus mains like myself, have this thing down to a science. As silly as the phantom hooks are if you adjust it it will lower his power level and he already has the hardest hook in the game to hit because of how fat it is. I understand the reasoning but just... Do me a solid here lol. The main issue with him currently is basically a result of a lot of parts that all came together to make Nautilus a truly terrifying titan. When his W was strong he was able to clear well, gank extremely well, and then get ahead and turn into a duelist that could fight people like Vi despite being the most pure tank in the game, in my opinion. So, naturally, that's not good.. So we gotta nerf his W. But then he sucks, so why not buff his E? Well then buffing E gets you where we are now. He's got poke, waveclear, and CC all in one move and that's just... Obnoxious. I genuinely dislike "Max E" Nautilus because it's not fun. It's boring. There's no skill ceiling to it like there is with animation locking with his W. Being able to squeeze out extra hits due to animation lock is one of the satisfying parts of learning Nautilus. Without a doubt his W is the key to returning him to the jungle. Nerfing E's damage while putting that back into W fits Nautilus' design philosophy of "IF he's doing his job he does no damage but if you are ignoring him he will hurt you, a lot." Despite being so huge and imposing the fact Nautilus hits like a wet noodle is actually kind of disappointing. It makes sense from a design point of view, but it's still kinda disappointing. W max/focus Nautilus also feels the best for the player. Having W up makes you FEEL like you're really laying into your opponents and it's very satisfying. So what do we do? I think increasing the damage but decreasing the shield is the sort of path that should be taking. Making it strong enough early to not get chewed through instantly is important. Probably a case of high base but lower scaling. With his mid/late game shield being not huge it's easier for it to be removed in dueling or skirmishing situations which limits his ability to be an oppressively strong duelist while also being a huge CC bot once he's ahead. Increasing the damage on W also makes him much better at clearing. With the damage in W his laning is weakened because autoattacking gives you minion aggro, so your shield disappears real fast. His W has always been his bread and butter so returning that to glory is a no brainer. E is just... Not the kind of ability that should have strong damage in it because of it being effectively an unavoidable lane wide move that rips through everything. Besides even when he was among the top tier junglers he was never quite THE BEST due to his lack of % health. I think a small damage nerf mid/late to his W was all that he needed to be considered "Balanced" but small nerfs aren't a common occurrence. Plus like.. I dunno.. Maybe I'm bias but Nautilus being a good jungler doesn't feel like a bad thing to me. He's the least damaging tank that relies heavily on his team to capitalize on his strengths. That's the sort of design I want to be considered desirable rather than % health dash city junglers that are currently present.
: "Don't Blame your teammates if you're not climbing"
Ultimately it's all about attitude and comfort. Yes, bad games happen. I feel like I've had more trolls, leavers, and feeders on my team than the enemy team by a huge margin. But that's also because I probably remember those experience more than when I got to walk down midlane at 15 minutes for a free win. One of the most important things to remember is that ranked is, at least when I played most often, a collection of misfits that are trying to play a game together. For better or for worse you can't just ignore them or let them run around doing their own thing. Take charge early and forcefully, actively praise good plays more than just a "Nice" and don't let misplays become a focus. Let them slide, say it's no big deal, be a leader and shot caller. Sky Williams actually made a video about this tactic and it really does work it's kind of amusing. As a support you're in the best position to do that. This is by far the most important thing you can do, especially in silver/bronze. Warding up and timing buffs doesn't do much if your team doesn't even look at their minimap. You have to force-feed your team this knowledge and the only way to do that is being the leader. Supports also dictate botlane. ADCs are the stars of the lane but a good support can easily forcefeed his carry 6 kills and mountains of farm. I've had Sona as one of my main support for years (who would have guessed lol) and more often than not I play her like she is a murderbot. I never go passive, I'm always dictating the pace of the match even if it means some games I end up overstepping and getting killed. By doing this I force the enemy team to earn their farm and a lot of times it results in me first backing into a sheen and straight up dueling the enemy ADC while the enemy support can't match me because he went back into a sightstone and upgraded gold item. You have to be very aware of your own damage because it's the only damage you can rely on. That being said, don't get caught up in damage supports. As much as going bot as a murder lane with Brand or Annie feels like the best way to climb I've never felt they were as strong of bullies as Sona or Soraka. Yes, I play Soraka as a bully, it's absolutely hilarious. Either way, don't play "Meta picks" just because they're meta. Play your favorites, play what's strongest for your playstyle. I've stuck to my guns as a Nautilus player through thick and thin and despite, at times, being one of the worst junglers in the game or not even considered a jungler by the community. I've maintained a 65%+ winrate over like 150 ranked matches on him. Do remember that there are diamond 1 tricks for about every champion. It always feels great to surprise people with just how crazy the plays can be when you're playing with someone that's got like 500 hours on a character. Can't tell you how many needles I've managed to thread with Nautilus' hook. As a wise fighting game player once said, "Pick yo shit!" I think it applies well to this game as well. Hope this helped!
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: Riot I know you are thiking about this
Why is this an issue though? It's an armor AP item that builds into an armor AP item. It lets you get armor on an AP champion early on and also builds into a great item. There isn't anything particularly wrong with a base item only building into one completed item.
: Do you have fun insta-deleting champions?
Even if they're not good I've always stuck to the hallmark champs of yesteryear. I learned the game in the midst of season 2 and got good in season 3, so while they weren't BAD per say my arsenal of utility mids and tank junglers were slowly starting to be edged out. I've never been good at the high APM champs nor am I the kind of person to be able to kite extremely well as an ADC. I just am not that fast as a person, my mechanical skill is not particularly high. That's why I always fell back on these utility focused characters. I didn't need to execute some combo in half a second or cost my team the game, and I stayed relevant as I climbed because of it. It's hard though. Seeing new releases come out and they're just mechanics on mechanics on mechanic... It's tiring. I don't like it. I enjoyed the lengthy skirmishes of the past. I liked having to actually think about what I was doing instead of just forcibly blowing everything just to make sure it's not unused when I die. The funny part is despite making so many "unique" and "Mechanical" characters they're still all very similar. Almost cookiecutter. It's why I was so excited for a champion like Ivern to come out. I want more like him. Course I will admit I am quite a fan of comboing someone with Lux. Erasing someone from mid never gets old.
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