Rioter Comments
: Perma banning in game chat vs entirety of account
Can't deny the facts of the matter. It makes more sense to ban people for feeding and chat restrict those who are being toxic. Then if they start feeding or inting then they get banned too. Sorry that level of common sense is too much for some of you to understand but there is really no denying it. The fact that riot has done this in the past proves that much at least. If you can't even understand that much there is no need for me to continue this discussion as I have already gotten my point across and have been agreed with in a surprising amount. Thank you all for your time. ^u^
: > [{quoted}](name=DaimondRageShade,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ELmzvLtT,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-11T08:48:53.852+0000) > > if someone is constantly having poor games where it appears they are feeding then yes they need to be punished by preventing them to play. The whole point is to stop people from ruining others experiences why is it ok to have someone who is constantly playing poorly, whether they are bad or not, in a game with someone as opposed to someone that you now have the amazing power to just mute? You can't mute someone feeding or correct that. But you have all the power to just mute someone if they are being toxic. One of the things you are missing is everyone plays different. You have one player who plays aggressive, and gets common items. You have another player who plays passive, and gets none meta items. Some people think off meta builds are bad, and hurt there chances at winning, but you can't force that player to play the way you feel is best. That is were the Gray area is that is hard to detect. You also can't punish a player for being scared to fight or trade. It does hurt your chances of winning, but you can't really fault that player.
> [{quoted}](name=Ash Lockheart,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ELmzvLtT,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-11T09:01:44.156+0000) > > One of the things you are missing is everyone plays different. You have one player who plays aggressive, and gets common items. You have another player who plays passive, and gets none meta items. Some people think off meta builds are bad, and hurt there chances at winning, but you can't force that player to play the way you feel is best. That is were the Gray area is that is hard to detect. You also can't punish a player for being scared to fight or trade. It does hurt your chances of winning, but you can't really fault that player. What does anything you said have to do with someone feeding and them needing to be punished versus someone being toxic and them being able to be muted?
Wethys (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=DaimondRageShade,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ELmzvLtT,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-12-11T08:58:11.263+0000) > > Pretty sure those down voting my comments are just riot bots or employees then. Well no surprise there. And here we go. People disagreeing with you are automaticely riots employees or paid by Riot. No point in arguing with you anymore, you just killed the little credibility you had. Im just a random like you, no connection with Riot. I just dont want toxic Players in my games, like most people.
> [{quoted}](name=Wethys,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ELmzvLtT,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-11T09:12:26.158+0000) > > And here we go. People disagreeing with you are automaticely riots employees or paid by Riot. No point in arguing with you anymore, you just killed the little credibility you had. > > Im just a random like you, no connection with Riot. I just dont want toxic Players in my games, like most people. ROFL XD But any upvote i have has to be either bots or others who have been perma banned. Riot God forbid that the upvotes be actually legitimate people who have a lick of common sense to say that what I posted makes sense right? XD Wake up.
Wethys (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=DaimondRageShade,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ELmzvLtT,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-12-11T08:49:26.407+0000) > > So many people just agree that it makes more sense to ban chatting as opposed to banning an account. XD And most of them are permabanned or had previous account permabanned. Well no surprise here And most people thinking it's good To permaban toxics Players have never been banned or tchat restricted. No surprise again. Mind joining the good side of the Force ? X)
> [{quoted}](name=Wethys,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ELmzvLtT,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-12-11T08:56:31.637+0000) > > And most of them are permabanned or had previous account permabanned. Well no surprise here > > And most people thinking it's good To permaban toxics Players have never been banned or tchat restricted. No surprise again. > > Mind joining the good side of the Force ? X) The good side? The one where there are so many bugs in their systems that there are people getting banned for saying gg or in game bugs that have been there since who knows when that riot has to be ignoring by this point but that's the good side? Where they work more on promoting their game then actually fixing what's wrong with it. Making new champs and skins to lure people in to exploit them in any way they can. That's the good side? Wake up. XD
: > [{quoted}](name=DaimondRageShade,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ELmzvLtT,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-12-11T08:58:11.263+0000) > > Pretty sure those down voting my comments are just riot bots or employees then. Well no surprise there. No, it's bots that upvoted your thread into the stratosphere almost immediately. The few votes on comments are from neither bots nor Riot employees (big lol there).
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ELmzvLtT,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2019-12-11T09:30:50.275+0000) > > No, it's bots that upvoted your thread into the stratosphere almost immediately. The few votes on comments are from neither bots nor Riot employees (big lol there). Sure it is cause that logic makes so much sense right? They upvote posts with bots but don't down vote comments with bots too? Wake up.
Wethys (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=DaimondRageShade,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ELmzvLtT,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-12-11T08:49:26.407+0000) > > So many people just agree that it makes more sense to ban chatting as opposed to banning an account. XD And most of them are permabanned or had previous account permabanned. Well no surprise here And most people thinking it's good To permaban toxics Players have never been banned or tchat restricted. No surprise again. Mind joining the good side of the Force ? X)
> [{quoted}](name=Wethys,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ELmzvLtT,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-12-11T08:56:31.637+0000) > > And most of them are permabanned or had previous account permabanned. Well no surprise here Pretty sure those down voting my comments are just riot bots or employees then. Well no surprise there.
: Perma banning in game chat vs entirety of account
So many people just agree that it makes more sense to ban chatting as opposed to banning an account. XD
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=DaimondRageShade,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ELmzvLtT,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-11T08:25:18.511+0000) > > It's not hard to detect. If someone is feeding repeatedly then they need to be actually perma banned. That's how it should be. Anyone can tell if someone is inting by looking at their history. Just like being toxic if it's happening too much then they need to be penalized. Explain how it can be difficult to tell if someone is inting games? If they are inting and losing games it will drop their elo and put them with other inters and feeders. It's hard to detect because the system can't just look at a game and see them inting Feeding isn't the same thing as inting tho. Feeding isn't punishable, playing badly isn't punishable Soft inting and soft trolling is even harder to detect. How can the system know what someone's intentions are? Are they purposefully misplaying or are they just bad? Someone may also be preforming badly because they are playing a new champ or a role they are not familiar with With toxicity it's easier to just give the system detect words etc, so it'll easily find toxic people. But you can't just give the system a specific score or a kda that will make it detect trolls and inters, it's just not possible right now If someone goes 0/18 in a 20 minute game with mobi boots etc, then yeah sure, that's easy to see and detect. But what if someone goes for example 4/9? Doesn't look like inting, maybe they soft inted, got tilted because their team etc and decided to give the enemy team a few kills? Maybe they were just having a bad game but were still trying their best? Maybe they are not familiar with the role or the champ and are learning which is why their score isn't the best. So many different scenarios But yeah, if you have a good idea how the system can detect inters and trollers better, please tell us. I'm sure riot would like to know too
> [{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ELmzvLtT,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-11T08:33:07.243+0000) > > It's hard to detect because the system can't just look at a game and see them inting > Feeding isn't the same thing as inting tho. Feeding isn't punishable, playing badly isn't punishable > Soft inting and soft trolling is even harder to detect. How can the system know what someone's intentions are? Are they purposefully misplaying or are they just bad? > Someone may also be preforming badly because they are playing a new champ or a role they are not familiar with > > With toxicity it's easier to just give the system detect words etc, so it'll easily find toxic people. But you can't just give the system a specific score or a kda that will make it detect trolls and inters, it's just not possible right now > > If someone goes 0/18 in a 20 minute game with mobi boots etc, then yeah sure, that's easy to see and detect. But what if someone goes for example 4/9? Doesn't look like inting, maybe they soft inted, got tilted because their team etc and decided to give the enemy team a few kills? Maybe they were just having a bad game but were still trying their best? Maybe they are not familiar with the role or the champ and are learning which is why their score isn't the best. So many different scenarios > > But yeah, if you have a good idea how the system can detect inters and trollers better, please tell us. I'm sure riot would like to know too if someone is constantly having poor games where it appears they are feeding then yes they need to be punished by preventing them to play. The whole point is to stop people from ruining others experiences why is it ok to have someone who is constantly playing poorly, whether they are bad or not, in a game with someone as opposed to someone that you now have the amazing power to just mute? You can't mute someone feeding or correct that. But you have all the power to just mute someone if they are being toxic.
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: Nope Riot has tested permanent chat restrictions etc before But you know what most perma chat restricted people would do? They'd start trolling and inting games, which is a lot harder to detect and imo worse than toxicity in chat If someone wants to be toxic and ruin other people's fun, they'll do it So now riot gives you multiple chances to reform and if you refuse, you'll get permanently suspended because riot doesn't want you to play their game anymore
> [{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ELmzvLtT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-11T07:40:31.203+0000) > > Nope > > Riot has tested permanent chat restrictions etc before > But you know what most perma chat restricted people would do? They'd start trolling and inting games, which is a lot harder to detect and imo worse than toxicity in chat > If someone wants to be toxic and ruin other people's fun, they'll do it > > So now riot gives you multiple chances to reform and if you refuse, you'll get permanently suspended because riot doesn't want you to play their game anymore It's not hard to detect. If someone is feeding repeatedly then they need to be actually perma banned. That's how it should be. Anyone can tell if someone is inting by looking at their history. Just like being toxic if it's happening too much then they need to be penalized. Explain how it can be difficult to tell if someone is inting games? If they are inting and losing games it will drop their elo and put them with other inters and feeders.
Rioter Comments
: The system has been really, really terrible as of late, banning people for very little as of late. My friend received a 2 week ban recently, for one game, in which he flamed no more than he usually does, on an account with no prior punishments. The same happened to my account - I had gone on a tilt streak thanks to multiple trolling teammates in a row and was a little toxic. I was fully expecting a chat restriction for my actions and muted my chat as I queued up again - but no, I was hit with a straight 14-day-ban, on an account with no prior bans, honor level 2, 2 checkpoints. Riot needs to look into this and possibly reverse punishments that were not deserved.
> [{quoted}](name=Emperør Rhaast,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=nr3Nfp5j,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-26T22:19:30.800+0000) > > The system has been really, really terrible as of late, banning people for very little as of late. My friend received a 2 week ban recently, for one game, in which he flamed no more than he usually does, on an account with no prior punishments. The same happened to my account - I had gone on a tilt streak thanks to multiple trolling teammates in a row and was a little toxic. I was fully expecting a chat restriction for my actions and muted my chat as I queued up again - but no, I was hit with a straight 14-day-ban, on an account with no prior bans, honor level 2, 2 checkpoints. > > Riot needs to look into this and possibly reverse punishments that were not deserved. It's really reassuring to hear I'm not the only one getting hit with this and I know for a fact that wasn't supposed to happen to you. Whatever riot updated broke the not and we are suffering for it. I hope you are compensated though.
: I dont feel sorry for you BUT i do feel sorry for Rito. The trash bag of a report system they have. The lack of common sense they have for letting that little useless bot do the bans. Had a smurf jungle ekko come into my promo's. At the start he was awesome set up some ganks and then took alll the kills didnt think much of it right. Then hed get us grouped and say were going to team fight and hed ditch. He wouldnt farm any lanes and he leashed dragons and barons then left when they were contested. Went into a voice chat with him and he admitted he created the acount to smurf and make anyone on his team lose. EVERY SINGLE GAME. So thats fun. I reported and sent in a ticket and he's still out ther roaming around and ruining game just becuase Riot's the most useless company ever. They might listen when it comes to new champs because why not put out a champ every 2 months now ? And then make cromas for everyone and make some more money so we can put out more champs instead of focusing on game play and acutally getting our community under control.
> [{quoted}](name=Urinetrouble07,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=nr3Nfp5j,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-26T21:03:26.186+0000) > > I dont feel sorry for you BUT i do feel sorry for Rito. The trash bag of a report system they have. The lack of common sense they have for letting that little useless bot do the bans. Had a smurf jungle ekko come into my promo's. At the start he was awesome set up some ganks and then took alll the kills didnt think much of it right. Then hed get us grouped and say were going to team fight and hed ditch. He wouldnt farm any lanes and he leashed dragons and barons then left when they were contested. Went into a voice chat with him and he admitted he created the acount to smurf and make anyone on his team lose. EVERY SINGLE GAME. So thats fun. I reported and sent in a ticket and he's still out ther roaming around and ruining game just becuase Riot's the most useless company ever. They might listen when it comes to new champs because why not put out a champ every 2 months now ? And then make cromas for everyone and make some more money so we can put out more champs instead of focusing on game play and acutally getting our community under control. I understand and thank you for the feedback. I have realized that trolling without being toxic is ok in the sense you will extremely rarely get banned for.probably because it can be marked as "just having a bad game." Sorry to hear that happened to you though.
: system detected you typed "mute" , "report", and "feed" and they were used in a negative manner.
> [{quoted}](name=Summoner SpeII,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=nr3Nfp5j,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-26T20:58:00.887+0000) > > system detected you typed "mute" , "report", and "feed" and they were used in a negative manner. Ah makes sense thank you.
Rioter Comments
: ggez
Note that if this was to pass Riot would get banned because of their video. So of course any mod would be against this. It is negative attitude and should receive punishment.
: > [{quoted}](name=DaimondRageShade,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RTpTedzf,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-04-09T13:36:29.887+0000) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m618vbx6zas > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq5lyUFbVz0 > you don't work at riot but let me run some logic by you. 8 months late cause I don't use this account a lot. > If some one was banned with 100 % accuracy then why would riot allow them to appeal it? This is 8 months ago, I dont even care
> [{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RTpTedzf,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-04-15T14:34:18.334+0000) > > This is 8 months ago, I dont even care Then why did you reply? I am just pointing out you were wrong that's all. ^u^
: You wouldn’t have gotten banned if you didn’t do anything that earned it
> [{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RTpTedzf,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-08-16T13:13:39.293+0000) > > You wouldn’t have gotten banned if you didn’t do anything that earned it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m618vbx6zas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq5lyUFbVz0 you don't work at riot but let me run some logic by you. 8 months late cause I don't use this account a lot. If some one was banned with 100 % accuracy then why would riot allow them to appeal it?
Rioter Comments
: We need a light smite in here.
> [{quoted}](name=Bears Dont Care,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RTpTedzf,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-29T06:30:19.434+0000) > > We need a light smite in here. definitely xD
: Yes brother, I am sorry for the loss of your account. That is indeed how this broken system works, best thing to do is just sit there quietly and report them post-game with detailed descriptions and preferably time stamps of when they flamed, and even you have video footage or screenshots submit a ticket to riot support. Flaming back seems very fair to me but riot just hits you with the ban hammer instead. What I do when flamers start hard-flaming is just try to be as positive as I can in chat so that they further tilt out of existence :D RIP your only account {{sticker:sg-soraka}}
> [{quoted}](name=NaTrackpadLeeSin,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RTpTedzf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-29T05:55:11.933+0000) > > Yes brother, I am sorry for the loss of your account. That is indeed how this broken system works, best thing to do is just sit there quietly and report them post-game with detailed descriptions and preferably time stamps of when they flamed, and even you have video footage or screenshots submit a ticket to riot support. Flaming back seems very fair to me but riot just hits you with the ban hammer instead. What I do when flamers start hard-flaming is just try to be as positive as I can in chat so that they further tilt out of existence :D > > RIP your only account > {{sticker:sg-soraka}} SO i was wrong. Riot actually reviewed my last game and saw i was in defense from an out the gate onslaught of insults making me toxic they reinstated my account. ^u^
: > [{quoted}](name=DaimondRageShade,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pj7ENW44,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-29T03:04:25.636+0000) > > If anyone says anything negative it counts as being deserved. Regardless of what anyone else says. > You can be nice all game but tell someone to back off a lane and that technically counts as being toxic and is bannable. > Yes something that small can get you banned if enough people report you. >You can be nice all game You weren't nice *Any* Time of the game.
> [{quoted}](name=ZenithEevee,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pj7ENW44,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-06-29T03:07:48.472+0000) > > You weren't nice *Any* Time of the game. "ShadeyAnaconda: right now it's just you out there." I guess me telling swain that he is pretty much the only other person on the team actually trying doesn't count as being nice huh?
: > [{quoted}](name=DaimondRageShade,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pj7ENW44,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-29T02:22:09.539+0000) > > Of course you did. I could tell from your toxic behavior that you would think that. > But that's the thing. You 'THINK' that. When you can easily look at my history by any means and realize the length of the game how long it would take for me to actually type that. You could look at my team and see how poorly thy performed. But you didn't. Why? Cause in the end. You just make comments to be toxic while I make them to prove a point. The fact that I'm made out to be toxic based of me attempting to point out things to others is sad. > It's easy to assume someone is the enemy when you don't know the history isn't it? > Doesn't change the fact you made a toxic comment and have been reported for it but what that does make you is a hypocrite unless you are willing to say you should be punished for your comment on here as well. Well? Are you? You're telling me that I'm being toxic to you, because I agreed that you should be banned. The way you were acting and talking to your teammates was very upsetting. Especially because you made fun of them for doing poorly in the game. That itself is extremely disappointing. People that act the way you do and can't face the fact that they are mean, and are in complete denial over a situation that is clearly one sided don't deserve play, and that's why you are banned. You won't even address the problem properly, instead of going to Riot Support, instead you come on the League of Legends forums showing people what you did wrong, complaining that you got banned. In the situation you were in, your teammates were probably doing bad because of the way you were talking to them. It's actually really sad that you can't play the game and motivate your teammates to do better. Instead when a teammate is doing poorly in the game, you insult them and tell them how bad they are. Have you ever sat down and thought to yourself about the way you act towards other people and how disrespectful you are?
> [{quoted}](name=ChickenWangss,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pj7ENW44,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-29T03:00:01.538+0000) > > You're telling me that I'm being toxic to you, because I agreed that you should be banned. > > The way you were acting and talking to your teammates was very upsetting. Especially because you made fun of them for doing poorly in the game. That itself is extremely disappointing. > > People that act the way you do and can't face the fact that they are mean, and are in complete denial over a situation that is clearly one sided don't deserve play, and that's why you are banned. You won't even address the problem properly, instead of going to Riot Support, instead you come on the League of Legends forums showing people what you did wrong, complaining that you got banned. > > In the situation you were in, your teammates were probably doing bad because of the way you were talking to them. It's actually really sad that you can't play the game and motivate your teammates to do better. Instead when a teammate is doing poorly in the game, you insult them and tell them how bad they are. > > Have you ever sat down and thought to yourself about the way you act towards other people and how disrespectful you are? I said you were toxic for how you said it. Which was by calling me cancer. Everything else you said in your post has no meaning because you are being a hypocrite by being toxic while claiming someone else is toxic. That's not how things work. Yet you are continuing to make toxic posts on this forum further proving my point.
: deserved tbh.
> [{quoted}](name=ZenithEevee,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pj7ENW44,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-29T02:32:47.997+0000) > > deserved tbh. If anyone says anything negative it counts as being deserved. Regardless of what anyone else says. You can be nice all game but tell someone to back off a lane and that technically counts as being toxic and is bannable. Yes something that small can get you banned if enough people report you.
: > [{quoted}](name=DaimondRageShade,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pj7ENW44,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-06-29T01:40:06.587+0000) > > You do realize that you have just made a toxic statement and are being reported for it right? Of course not. It's comments like that that I deal with in game. But as the better person I will just turn the other cheek and report you. I think you did more typing than playing that game, better yet. You are toxic. Good, people like you should get banned.
> [{quoted}](name=ChickenWangss,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pj7ENW44,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-29T02:10:44.702+0000) > > I think you did more typing than playing that game, better yet. You are toxic. > Good, people like you should get banned. Of course you did. I could tell from your toxic behavior that you would think that. But that's the thing. You 'THINK' that. When you can easily look at my history by any means and realize the length of the game how long it would take for me to actually type that. You could look at my team and see how poorly thy performed. But you didn't. Why? Cause in the end. You just make comments to be toxic while I make them to prove a point. The fact that I'm made out to be toxic based of me attempting to point out things to others is sad. It's easy to assume someone is the enemy when you don't know the history isn't it? Doesn't change the fact you made a toxic comment and have been reported for it but what that does make you is a hypocrite unless you are willing to say you should be punished for your comment on here as well. Well? Are you?
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=OG Pimpson,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pj7ENW44,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-29T01:37:53.925+0000) > > Good. You deserve it. You are a cancer on the community spamming annoying nagging shit like that You do realize that you have just made a toxic statement and are being reported for it right? Of course not. It's comments like that that I deal with in game. But as the better person I will just turn the other cheek and report you.
: It almost seems like now that bot lane meta has shifted....
The thing is when people stop fussing about this "META" stuff they will play better. Just learn what works best for your play style.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DaimondRageShade,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AfIa5ll8,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-17T01:35:00.727+0000) > > Ah ok that would make sense. The thing with that is that it seems they are only updating parts of their system and not taking into account how it will effect everything else that is already in place. Which would explain why every patch there is new bugs that weren't there before. Its moreso death recap was made back when riot only had a handful of people just making a game before they became this monstrous behemoth. Now you have more coders and better coders, and much of the underlying infrastructure has likely been messed with and changed and built upon etc. etc, and death recap just doesnt hold up anymore. It wasnt kept up in the interim or couldnt be kept up or whatever, and now updating it would just take too many resources to be a good immediate tradeoff. This type of thing happens with any game that is updated constantly over numerous years. Eventually theres things that werent kept up on that would just take too much effort to update. FFXI's updater still takes a full damn day to clean install the game for instance, because that things been around for eons back when internet was slow as fuck.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AfIa5ll8,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-17T02:55:52.905+0000) > > Its moreso death recap was made back when riot only had a handful of people just making a game before they became this monstrous behemoth. Now you have more coders and better coders, and much of the underlying infrastructure has likely been messed with and changed and built upon etc. etc, and death recap just doesnt hold up anymore. It wasnt kept up in the interim or couldnt be kept up or whatever, and now updating it would just take too many resources to be a good immediate tradeoff. > > This type of thing happens with any game that is updated constantly over numerous years. Eventually theres things that werent kept up on that would just take too much effort to update. FFXI's updater still takes a full damn day to clean install the game for instance, because that things been around for eons back when internet was slow as fuck. I remember when riot was down for a day or two to update. If it means having a working game with functions that does what it's supposed to do. Then sure. Drop the entire thing for a couple of days. It will suck a bit but it's better to know they are willing to do what it takes to ensure every aspect of their game is working as they intend it to. Instead of people ignorant of what they are actually dealing with to believe that they just don't care. Which even after all of this and other examples when dealing with support I can honestly say I don't think they care. If it's not going to affect them making money they won't really put it as priority.
: > [{quoted}](name=DaimondRageShade,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AfIa5ll8,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-16T19:31:20.022+0000) > > It's fine. Let them not fix it. There is a way to get people banned easily with it and if they don't want to fix it at request then there just isn't enough requests to fix it. Everyone sees someone who was punished and think riots system is perfect until it happens to them. Thats because human nature has a rationalization protocol that runs when they do something right to try and reason why said action was necessary, And so when they get punished when they do something wrong, They get all pissy about it and say its bullshit, i did not hit her, I did not. oh Hi, Mark. When people STOP treating the system as if its just riot trying to get more money, Maybe riot will actually deal with the issues. Until then, They'll see that the people that get banned are being "Whiny and Entitled" And will say "Working as intended" Yes, There are a few good apples of the bunch, But the rest are just rotten to the core.
> [{quoted}](name=ZenithEevee,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AfIa5ll8,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-06-16T20:23:40.152+0000) > > Thats because human nature has a rationalization protocol that runs when they do something right to try and reason why said action was necessary, And so when they get punished when they do something wrong, They get all pissy about it and say its bullshit, i did not hit her, I did not. oh Hi, Mark. > > When people STOP treating the system as if its just riot trying to get more money, Maybe riot will actually deal with the issues. Until then, They'll see that the people that get banned are being "Whiny and Entitled" And will say "Working as intended" > > Yes, There are a few good apples of the bunch, But the rest are just rotten to the core. That's understandable and all. But my issue is "Here. This is a picture of one of your systems or whatever not doing what it's supposed to do." I had a support ticket filed and am about to check the new one I submitted because the previous one completely and utterly ignored what I was telling them about and focusing on something else. I went through 2 different people and neither of them seemed to understand what issue I was referring to. That's what upsets me.
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: > [{quoted}](name=DaimondRageShade,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AfIa5ll8,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-06-16T19:30:01.333+0000) > > why implement something broken? I would rather it just not exist. I would also like to believe that the death recap is just a calculation of things that occur and isn't actually integrated to the point that other things hinge on it existing. If it requires an overhaul of things then I believe it was overly complicated for no particular reason. But I don't know what they had planned when they made it. It wasnt implemented broken, the game has since been updated and changed such that the original death recap doesnt work, and the underlying code that would need to be updated and reworked to get it to be able to work, as well as a full recode for the death recap, is such that it wohld be a massive undertaking.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AfIa5ll8,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-16T20:28:42.238+0000) > > It wasnt implemented broken, the game has since been updated and changed such that the original death recap doesnt work, and the underlying code that would need to be updated and reworked to get it to be able to work, as well as a full recode for the death recap, is such that it wohld be a massive undertaking. Ah ok that would make sense. The thing with that is that it seems they are only updating parts of their system and not taking into account how it will effect everything else that is already in place. Which would explain why every patch there is new bugs that weren't there before.
: tbf i think this is a bigger problem with riot just not fixing the punishment system as a whole.
> [{quoted}](name=ZenithEevee,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AfIa5ll8,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-16T19:28:15.588+0000) > > tbf i think this is a bigger problem with riot just not fixing the punishment system as a whole. It's fine. Let them not fix it. There is a way to get people banned easily with it and if they don't want to fix it at request then there just isn't enough requests to fix it. Everyone sees someone who was punished and think riots system is perfect until it happens to them.
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: On death recap; it would require a massive overhaul of a lot of the in game systems to fix and resources better spent on other things currently to fix asap. Pretty much its too old to update, as is how 10 year old MMO type things go.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AfIa5ll8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-16T19:22:26.719+0000) > > On death recap; it would require a massive overhaul of a lot of the in game systems to fix and resources better spent on other things currently to fix asap. Pretty much its too old to update, as is how 10 year old MMO type things go. why implement something broken? I would rather it just not exist. I would also like to believe that the death recap is just a calculation of things that occur and isn't actually integrated to the point that other things hinge on it existing. If it requires an overhaul of things then I believe it was overly complicated for no particular reason. But I don't know what they had planned when they made it.
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