: > [{quoted}](name=DapCutscene,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IA4TJQmx,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T23:22:45.667+0000) > > Okay, these items do NOT counter every champion lmfao (maybe zhonyas.) These items specifically counter champions like Malphite because he is reliant on 1 ability (Banshee's specifically.) If you don't take damage from the Ultimate he can't do much to you. A Malphite isn't going to just Ult in when your team is able to just ignore his ult. If you can't build any of these items I recommend you build any kind of magic resist item. Literally just 1. He at least can't kill you with a full rotation of spells at that point. > > AP Malphite is good, but there is counterplay. Doesn't matter if he can kill you in one hit. His abilities do enough damage in a team fight (to an entire team) to basically win the fight, providing your team goes in when you engage. He just shouldn't have that much damage while also having that broken of an ult
> [{quoted}](name=Toxicate13,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IA4TJQmx,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T23:36:33.027+0000) > > Doesn't matter if he can kill you in one hit. His abilities do enough damage in a team fight (to an entire team) to basically win the fight, providing your team goes in when you engage. He just shouldn't have that much damage while also having that broken of an ult Did you even read the fucking post?
: > [{quoted}](name=DapCutscene,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IA4TJQmx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-14T23:10:22.338+0000) > > {{item:3157}} {{item:3102}} {{item:3155}} {{item:3814}} Yes cool, those items counter every champion, not just malphite. Not much I can do as a jungler like Lee sin or master yi. I just get one shot
> [{quoted}](name=Toxicate13,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IA4TJQmx,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T23:11:23.606+0000) > > Yes cool, those items counter every champion, not just malphite. Not much I can do as a jungler like Lee sin or master yi. I just get one shot Okay, these items do NOT counter every champion lmfao (maybe zhonyas.) These items specifically counter champions like Malphite because he is reliant on 1 ability (Banshee's specifically.) If you don't take damage from the Ultimate he can't do much to you. A Malphite isn't going to just Ult in when your team is able to just ignore his ult. If you can't build any of these items I recommend you build any kind of magic resist item. Literally just 1. He at least can't kill you with a full rotation of spells at that point. AP Malphite is good, but there is counterplay.
: Nerf Malphite. Thanks.
{{item:3157}} {{item:3102}} {{item:3155}} {{item:3814}}
Keiaga (NA)
: It takes some time before klepto can "out econ" someone. In the meantime she's still an immobile burst mage in a solo lane that's longer than mid, dealing with what could potentially be a champ with a massive ammount of CC, and a hard engage.
she has a pretty nice MS disengage tool now though. There is a reason Klepto Kennen top is good. I don't think Annie klepto top is nearly as good, but it's definitely not a bad pick I don't think.
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: Fun fact: Heal is for 2 person!!
Another fun fact. You can actually choose who you heal. It just chooses the closest person if you don't have your mouse hovering over somebody.
: > [{quoted}](name=ExplodingFist66,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sPOrGujR,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-14T16:24:49.334+0000) > > "Unkillable" yeah good one, i don't think you're aware of the current damage meta. Tanks get melted anyway Every tank except {{champion:54}} Id say but yea
and Shen and Amumu and few others. Tanks really aren't that bad.
Lan Fan (EUW)
: Yeah, it is. I have played her quite times in top with klepto Unluckily, if the enemy jungler has more than 2 neurons he will camp you. Don't know if it's easier to survive tanks with new E
Survive tanks? Klepto Annie should be destroying them from what I can tell. You just proc Klepto and out econ them.
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Lost R (NA)
: I blame the poor quality of the human livestock masses that play this game, who have been taught that learning a champion is harder than getting a college degree. And the elitists that need to invent their own criteria of fictitious superiority.
It's not about learning the champion, it's about learning how they're supposed to play into certain matchups and all of their win conditions. Yeah, it's not hard to learn 4 abilities and utilize them, but to know the win condition in every lane and play it well. Then to also know how you're supposed to play in team fights. He is at a disadvantage if he tries to learn multiple champs, but it really isn't that big as long as he goes in with a gameplan each game, because that's really the key to improving.
5050BS (NA)
: Riot: QOL for Illaoi
You basically already can choose where they spawn. There was a patch where she got a whole ton of changes.
Juice (EUNE)
: Season 5 happened
Followed by season 6, 7, 8, and 9.
: I wouldn't say that I think tryn is or isn't OP, but rather that his design is rather toxic in general.
This is the correct answer.
: {{sticker:fiora-cool}} : Riven is a little on the weaker side I feel. Let's give her a slight buff. {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} : Do you even play this game? {{sticker:fiora-cool}} : On occasion. I mostly analyse the statistics of it and base my balance theories off that. Win percentages, loss percentages, ban percentages, hovered-in-champ-select percentages... {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} : BUT DO YOU ACTUALLY PLAY IT? {{sticker:fiora-cool}} : No, I just like to say I do a little to make people think I'm not completely clueless. {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} : THIS IS WHY THE GAME SUCKS. YOU ARE TRYING TO BALANCE SOMETHING YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND. PLEASE GTFO I HATE YOU SO MUCH. {{sticker:fiora-cool}} : Sylas nerfs. {{sticker:sg-lux}} : OMG I LOVE YOU SO MUCH MAYBE I CAN BE A MID LANE AGAIN THIS IS GOING TO BE AMAAZIIIIIIING WOOOOOOO
Aizo (NA)
: Thanks! Its a weird position I'm in where if I play well the enemy team says "Who cares you're playing a braindead champ" but then if I do poorly I'm flamed for playing a non-viable shitty champ. So... you know
I feel like the problem with playing tank champions, and this especially goes for Maokai, is that it's really hard to solo carry a game. You're extremely reliant on your team making the right decisions to win the game. Since you're not able to split and take towers as fast as bruisers, and can't reliably go back and forth between a side lane and mid lane fast enough you have to rely on your team to take the right engages. That's why I feel like tanks feel like you're coinflipping wins once you get to Diamond in my opinion. That's why I'd say Maokai, and most other tanks, are "unviable" champions.
Aizo (NA)
: Hey! I'm a Grandmaster Maokai OTP and I have a few ideas how to make this champion more interesting
Surprised anybody is able to make this dogshit champion work nowadays. Loved him in Season 4 and Season 5. He was my go to pick for ranked and I loved him. Feels like a shadow of his old self now with the ult being useless and passive changes. Congrats on getting to Grandmaster with him.
: > [{quoted}](name=DapCutscene,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=98EV2EyA,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-05T20:42:25.410+0000) > > They're not very good jungle picks, but you are correct that they're both picked in Silver and Gold a lot. > > The higher elo you go the more Nunu, Elise, Karthus, and bad Lee Sin you will see. Yi and Jax are great because they require far less effort for the same performance.
: > [{quoted}](name=DapCutscene,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=98EV2EyA,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-09-05T20:35:11.097+0000) > > Jax and Master Yi? > > You mean Nunu, Elise, Dr. Mundo, and Karthus right? idk what elo you're in, but these ones are consistent through Silver and Gold where I exist.
They're not very good jungle picks, but you are correct that they're both picked in Silver and Gold a lot. The higher elo you go the more Nunu, Elise, Karthus, and bad Lee Sin you will see.
puśsý (NA)
: For the upcoming preseason, please...
You do realize what you're asking for is too vague and broad. Not only that, but a lot of the damage that has been done will take several season to undo. I do agree with you, but Riot needs to fix so much shit they should have dedicate the rest of this season to cleaning up the mess and it will still only be 20% done.
: {{champion:59}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:11}} Such diverse. Much wow.
Jax and Master Yi? You mean Nunu, Elise, Dr. Mundo, and Karthus right?
: Have you ever been afk in-game because of real life emergency?
Obviously it sucks for your team and they have every right to be upset, but I'm pretty sure most will have empathy with you if there is genuinely a real life emergency. When those real life emergencies become a habit that's when I tell people they should probably consider sticking to normals as to not ruin the game for 4 other people on a consistent basis.
: Chat is important, toxicity can't be fixed by taking it away.
I've been way less toxic every since I've turned off ally chat. Basically the same thing as losing your chat permissions. Nobody can see what I say and I can't see what anybody else says. Granted, this is just an anecdote, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as you're making it out to be. Especially in low elo when you don't need chat or pings to win.
Lock On (NA)
: Ranked is a coinflip
So if you play like an average player in your elo you stay in that elo? Seems fair to me.
: One day we will see an unpopular opinion in an unpopular opinion thread
> [{quoted}](name=Death by Glamour,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LYgekxLj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-30T01:44:54.287+0000) > > One day we will see an unpopular opinion in an unpopular opinion thread Just saw the entirety of these boards circle jerking about how Nubrac wasn't trolling. Can't blame me for thinking boards would not agree with me here.
: Oof on you. You are hardstuck silver. I don't care if you win with Shiv in silver. I can win there with Katarina jungle. I mean, in last season I had 70% winrate on Shaco jng in plat, but now I can't fucking play the game. This shitty ass game made jungle the worst role and the higher you get the more team based the game is. In gold the climb begins and there it stops. I can probably hit plat, but I was expecting much more this season. However playing with jungle nerfed to the ground is all team based. Then if enemy has a better pick they win because they get carried better than my champion can. They pick a Pig on a lady .... A lady on a pig xd And they win just because of how easy it is to play tanks in jng and get carried. The only thing I can do to change it and hit plat is to start playing Kha Zix because he would bring me more elo, but I refuse to play something I don't enjoy.
Lmao, it's always the silvers that talk big shit. Yeah jg is fucked I agree.
Bugog (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolfeur,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=liRNrOvR,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-29T21:42:57.300+0000) > > We literally have 2 out of 145 Pyke Darius Urgot Garen?
: > [{quoted}](name=Anatera,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=liRNrOvR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-29T17:38:14.424+0000) > > But...but..but..they look cool! And all 12 year olds love that! Darius ought to have been the first and the last, especially since his kit is the most suited for it.
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Midg3t (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=2 Weezy Baby,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rRATHXEs,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-22T00:18:49.389+0000) > > "if you know how to play him" the general community barely knows how to play the game outside of laning phase And thats exactly why we have this TK hate threads, cuz people dont know how to play.
You say that like Tahm Kench top lane isn't a problem in all elos.
knobblez (NA)
: Taking jungle camps from the jungler
You have a point, but I guarantee you're not behind on gold and XP because your laners are taking your jungle camps. I'm almost positive it is because you don't know how to path.
Ahri Baka (EUNE)
: That's not roaming nor support that's trolling the guy didn't even step in bot lane , he just straightly stayed afk in mid for 90% of the game
> [{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iuQfEbf0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-15T18:25:15.077+0000) > > That's not roaming nor support > that's trolling > the guy didn't even step in bot lane , he just straightly stayed afk in mid for 90% of the game No no no, he was helping irelia by killing Twisted Fate mid! Doesn't matter if Sivir 1v2 losing platings and dying because Teemo was mid taking xp he's not trolling!!1!
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YaraUwU (NA)
: I cannot fucking stand when junglers get to camp top unanswered.
: Nightblue gets a player Falsely banned.
The boards is brainwashed holy fuck. Worse than Reddit.
: > rarely do I ever see anybody get banned Do you...read this board?
Rarely do I ever see the people who I encounter in game get banned.*
: ***
Yes, actually. If I'm doing so poorly that 4 of my teammates would rather play without me I wouldn't mind being kicked out. If my team thinks it will be easier to win a game without me then they can kick me out in a heartbeat, I don't care.
: How do you feel like this system will affect people who attempt to play off-meta and happen to do poorly in those first 15min?
I'm sure a small minority of players will be affected by that. I believe if 4 individuals do not want to play with you on their team they should have the right to vote you off of it.
: I can bring this up one level higher. You can't give players **any** control over these types of game mechanics, because they get abused. Some threads that are common - - Why can people ban my hover? - Let us vote to kick people from champ select. - Don't match me with people on my block list. You cannot allow players to make choices like this (and the one you're proposing) because they directly affect the experience of other players **and can be abused**, and you know this because you put the possible abuse scenarios in your post. That's exactly why something like this would not be implemented. And before you go "But the Inters 'N' Feeders 'N' Trolls™ affect the game for me," oh well. They're a problem, but punishing them needs to be up to Riot, not other players. Riot is running a business, and if they were to make any choices to allow the inmates to run the asylum, they lose money, bottom line.
I agree with you, Riot should be banning the players, but rarely do I ever see anybody get banned. Whether it be a literal AFK or Inter, or somebody saying "get cancer, kys."
: ***
4 people need to be mad enough at your pick to kick you. Yes, sometimes you get unfortunate and 4 people vote yes, but I don't think the chances are very high. Hence, the reason we need stats on this type of system if it's ever going to go to live which I highly suggest Riot does. My hypothesis is the amount of cases we see people abusing this thing will be <3%.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DapCutscene,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HAUW7oe6,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-06-13T23:19:17.878+0000) > > I would if the person I was voting to kick is intentionally running it down. I could get clarity in 2 things: > I've decreased my chances of losing just slightly. They might be placed on a high priority list where they're more likely to be seen and get banned for such behavior. That’s nice, but what about that player who is just doing poorly gets kicked? Or that player who gets kicked for picking off meta? Or that player that gets kicked by the four man? I can see the upsides of your idea and system sure, but I see far more negatives.
I'd argue they should still beta test this idea and see how often people who pick troll stuff get kicked from games. If it's like >4% of cases then I could see why it could be a problem. I still think Riot should gather some stats on it first though.
Jamaree (NA)
: No one is going to agree to willingly put themselves into a 4 vs 5, in normals maybe, ranked, hell no
I would if the person I was voting to kick is intentionally running it down. I could get clarity in 2 things: I've decreased my chances of losing just slightly. They might be placed on a high priority list where they're more likely to be seen and get banned for such behavior.
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: You have a decent point with Jax, but even then, you're emphasizing *short* trades. But what surprises me is that you make zero mention of his hands down hardest counter. Fiora can Riposte his W. She can not only COMPLETELY BLOCK his only real damaging ability, but STUN HIM FOR TRYING IT, and then proceed for the next 10s it's on cooldown (leaving 2s to back off), shit all over his face with a bunch of true damage from her passive. She BY FAR can out-trade him. And once he uses his E's active, which he's probably gonna have to do against Fiora quite often, he can't fight again pretty much until he takes a back. Sure, he can bait out the riposte...but considering how atrocious his actual damage is without the W, he's not gonna have a lot of time to wait when getting chunked constantly by %hp true damage.
So what if Tahm just holds W and waits for Fiora to use her W? I don't think Tahm W is reactable tbh. That or he could throw out the stun first to bait the Riposte because Tahm Q is like 4/5 second CD? I don't think Fiora wins the lane either tbh.
OHminus (NA)
: My friend told me he thinks {{champion:26}} top might be a counter - you just waveclear with q and disengage with speed up/slow. You don't necessarily win lane but you're infinitely better late and you can give up cs like a madman because zilean doesn't necessarily need the most gold to be useful. He played around 5 or so games against tk using zilean and won 4 of 5. Of course, my friend and I are both gold so our opinions probably mean jack shit.
Don't ever think your rank invalidates your opinion, but always be prepared to back up your arguments. Your friend is right Zilean is a decent pick into Tahm. Most ranged autoshoving AP lanes are good into him. Malz, Heimer are other good examples. My problem with the argument that "you should play those champions to beat him" is that you're effectively crippling your team by being forced to pick a cheese pick just so you don't lose to him. Not saying that's your argument, but I've seen it used in this thread.
Saezio (EUNE)
: All I am saying is, nerf riven first. Then they can touch tahm. It's bullcrap how busted she is and has been for so long.
Have to disagree with you there. I'd rather play against Riven for the next 3 days then fight 1 more top lane Tahm Kench.
Saezio (EUNE)
: So, you OK with riven? She still has higher pick and winratios than Tahm. And she's been a problem since conq was created. So, a fuckton of months.
At least I can win trades with Riven and she has weak points in her gameplay. Tahm literally does not lose trades. This isn't even about Riven, stay on topic.
: > [{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HqGtAquA,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2019-06-12T19:18:13.786+0000) > > Plenty of meta top laners who crap on him if played well. Darius stomps him out of lane if he waits for lv3 healthy. Jax can get easy short trades with a jump out, and so can Irelia. Same for Riven. > > Garen is a straight up TK safe pick because you can W his Q slow/stack stun and your QE trade pattern pretty much allows you to poke him constantly and get out before he can stack on you. You rush MR for 435 gold and the his Q poke starts plummeting. By the time you build cleaver and merc boots you can start outdueling him and well, past lv11 it's game over for him. TK beats the shit out of Irelia. What?
And Jax, this guy is misinformed or has never played the matchup.
: The thing is that he isn't actually broken. His play pattern is just so fucking unbelievably toxic that it tilts people off the face of the earth. His one of the worst examples of "win lane, lose game". For a lot of top laners the matchup is realistically unwinnable, but Tahm Kench has an atrociously bad late game and it doesn't get better no mater how hard he snowballs early. His whole purpose as a top laner seems to be to turn the game into a 4v4, where you can't carry because you're playing against Tahm Kench top, and he can't carry because he's playing Tahm Kench top.
Wow, yeah that's actually pretty much exactly why he is awful to play against. I'd argue getting priority top side for jungler is still really useful and your team shouldn't let the game drag to late, but you are right, he does fall off. I wouldn't mind if he actually died when he got ganked too. It's crazy that he can literally 1v2 and go 2 for 0 so consistently.
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