: A meta-breaking guide to: TrisTOPna. Yes, Tristana Top
Why not build tanky if you go trist top lane?
RexSaur (NA)
: The more i play against lulu the more i realise how cancer her kit is.
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: The Littlest Thread for Lulu nerf ideas
I would say lower her slow % at early ranks to like 40-80% at ranks 1-5
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: If bot lane gets an early kill, support should buy a fiendish codex or lost chapter
> [{quoted}](name=Alaron Mercer,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=ZsQWebLL,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-03-24T14:25:25.436+0000) > > stop buying a sightstone that does no damage first buy and doesn't help snowball the lane. you're the reason that guy lived with one health. How about you realize that the game isn't about getting as much kills as possible and you should focus more on farm and objectives.
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: u ever played a game against 3 Tanks in enemy team as an assassin or mage? stop talk and think about it.
> [{quoted}](name=pulledchicken,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VUvKQITL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-03-23T14:26:30.320+0000) > > u ever played a game against 3 Tanks in enemy team as an assassin or mage? stop talk and think about it. Except you never see 3 tank teams nowadays.
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: Why don't the Elite Four have 6 Pokemon?
The gen 5 e4 rematches have 6 pokemon.
: they're sufficient in the sense of being able to tank burst but of they're the carry they need both good peel and a teammate that can help bring them into the fight, or a blitz who brings the fight to them
> [{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zt0aGGJE,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-03-22T17:36:13.354+0000) > > they're sufficient in the sense of being able to tank burst but of they're the carry they need both good peel and a teammate that can help bring them into the fight, or a blitz who brings the fight to them The thing is you don't pick a juggernaut to be the main carry of your team.
: should carries be self sufficient?
How are juggernauts team reliant? I thought they are the most self sufficient class in the game because of their combination of damage and durability.
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: Just when I thought Ezreals couldn't get worse with their purchasing
I have had ezreals who started sappire crystal and refillable potion, rush tear into glacial shroud, then start working on their ga because "muh safety." 10 minutes later he complain "wtf tanks are unkillable."
: Orianna has the damage of assassins on AoE abilities with utility and waveclear
Excuse me, orianna has one of the lowest damage of all mages. She only has like 70% of the damage of a syndra.
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: Woah there calm down Satan
If she has 40% cdr and is level 16+, her ult has a 15 second cd if it gets a kill.
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Zedislav (NA)
: You don't, think about what you just said. You got counter-picked hard. A tank vs Vayne is nearly always in favor of Vayne unless you can get an early game, high-base damage burst from a tank like Poppy or Nautilus. You'll need your jungler or proper outplays (Predicting tumbles, preventing 3rd autos). Otherwise, if you see top vayne and you are going to pick, don't pick a tank. Pick someone, like Hyperion said, champions like Jayce or Quinn that do more early game burst while maintaining a steady flow of DPS.
> [{quoted}](name=Zedislav,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Y2qGaRQi,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-03-21T13:49:04.558+0000) > > You don't, think about what you just said. You got counter-picked hard. A tank vs Vayne is nearly always in favor of Vayne unless you can get an early game, high-base damage burst from a tank like Poppy or Nautilus. You'll need your jungler or proper outplays (Predicting tumbles, preventing 3rd autos). Otherwise, if you see top vayne and you are going to pick, don't pick a tank. Pick someone, like Hyperion said, champions like Jayce or Quinn that do more early game burst while maintaining a steady flow of DPS. What if your team needs a tank top laner and/or you can't play carry top laners.
: > [{quoted}](name=DeceasedL0ved0ne,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iQBhwNJM,comment-id=00420001,timestamp=2017-03-20T20:45:30.831+0000) > > 1. The jungler is strong currently because they can provide pressure to the lanes early. Intentionally picking the jungler who bar-none has the worst ganking power does not add the strength of an additional jungler to the team. > It may have made sense to have a Nunu in the jungle in addition to a jungler back in preseason 5 when the dragon buff decided the outcome of a game, but not any more. > > 2. His one voice does not have more weight than their four. Just because he incorrectly feels that what he's doing will help the team doesn't mean he can shove that misconception onto his allies. Maybe when he rigs up 4 more computers and plays them all on his own, then he can make the decision for the entire team. > > By picking Support in any Draft queue, he is agreeing to play a Support in the Support role. If he wants to be a secondary jungler, there are blind and custom modes. Ugh, I wanted to dip out of this conversation already, but must respond to this point as it has been brought up several times. Support is a role designed to assist his team in winning the game through vision, protection, pressure of enemy resources or objectives, or effectively creating a situation in which the team can win. He is playing support, albeit in an unorthodox manner, he is supporting the team effectively, builds vision items, denies enemy vision, contests objectives, provides support for others in his matches and not just the bot laner. In short, he is doing what he signed up for, just not in the manner that other players are attempting to demand of him, a nonmeta accepted manner.
> [{quoted}](name=Ðelofasht,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iQBhwNJM,comment-id=004200010000,timestamp=2017-03-20T21:14:58.661+0000) > > Ugh, I wanted to dip out of this conversation already, but must respond to this point as it has been brought up several times. Support is a role designed to assist his team in winning the game through vision, protection, pressure of enemy resources or objectives, or effectively creating a situation in which the team can win. He is playing support, albeit in an unorthodox manner, he is supporting the team effectively, builds vision items, denies enemy vision, contests objectives, provides support for others in his matches and not just the bot laner. > > In short, he is doing what he signed up for, just not in the manner that other players are attempting to demand of him, a nonmeta accepted manner. There is a difference between providing more support for the rest of the team and "fuck this adc leave him to starve." The nunu player is doing the latter.
: > [{quoted}](name=Dasdi96,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=smUd7G7E,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-03-20T20:23:45.393+0000) > > Why do you even need a leash as shaco he instakills camps. Because there's no reason not to. Shaco's clear drops off extremely fast after his initial clear and he needs to hit level 4 before he can start to gank reliably. Are you familiar with the champion?
> [{quoted}](name=ChickenWrap,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=smUd7G7E,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-20T21:01:09.162+0000) > > Because there's no reason not to. Shaco's clear drops off extremely fast after his initial clear and he needs to hit level 4 before he can start to gank reliably. > > Are you familiar with the champion? Level 4? Dude shaco is one of the best level 2 gankers because of his stealth, box fear, and the fact he usually takes ignite.
: > [{quoted}](name=Hayes,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=smUd7G7E,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-03-20T18:08:30.613+0000) > > you put their name in, your going to get the ban hammer Where? > [{quoted}](name=Easyaeta,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=smUd7G7E,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-03-20T18:08:30.852+0000) > > It's not really team communication if you're telling your team what you're doing with no input from them > > What if bot wanted to do a level 1 cheese move or rush level 2? They can always say "no." and I would set up my start around that decision. They didn't leash, by the way. Not even with Red. They ran to lane and started pushing and then got immediately ganked by the enemy level 2 Jungle. It sort of threw off my start as well and I had to smite red to get to Krugs on time. Saying "please" is generally the best way of asking someone to do something. I also informed them of how I was going to be building so they could play around that if they wanted to. But please show me where I told them to do anything. I asked if they could leash a certain way because it caused no detriment to them and also asked my team to defend so the enemy team didn't invade and take away all my boxes, then I informed them of how I was planning on building. > [{quoted}](name=Dasdi96,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=smUd7G7E,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-03-20T18:09:42.168+0000) > > Why would I leash 2 camps for my jungler? Because your Jungle is Shaco and the buff dies before gromp/krugs spawn, which is when players normally run back to lane so you lose absolutely nothing from doing so and help your Jungle tremendously.
> [{quoted}](name=ChickenWrap,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=smUd7G7E,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-03-20T18:39:27.479+0000) > > Where? > > They can always say "no." and I would set up my start around that decision. They didn't leash, by the way. Not even with Red. They ran to lane and started pushing and then got immediately ganked by the enemy level 2 Jungle. It sort of threw off my start as well and I had to smite red to get to Krugs on time. Saying "please" is generally the best way of asking someone to do something. I also informed them of how I was going to be building so they could play around that if they wanted to. > > But please show me where I told them to do anything. I asked if they could leash a certain way because it caused no detriment to them and also asked my team to defend so the enemy team didn't invade and take away all my boxes, then I informed them of how I was planning on building. > > Because your Jungle is Shaco and the buff dies before gromp/krugs spawn, which is when players normally run back to lane so you lose absolutely nothing from doing so and help your Jungle tremendously. Why do you even need a leash as shaco he instakills camps.
: TF building IBG and Righteous Glory told me to "Check his winrate"
This reminds me of the time where I went talisman of ascension and righteous glory on support annie.
: Let's play "Who's feeding hardest right now and wants to surrender?"
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: Orianna is not broken.
I don't understand why people complain about ori. She has one of the lowest damage for a mage because she replaces it with utility.
: It already is very much rewarding. It allows you a relatively safe method of getting quick gold and pressuring lanes as well as extended vision and alternative build paths. 20-30 cs = 1 kill. This has the biggest impact earlyon and in the lategame if you can get a lot of it and/or starve the enemy out. But how do you use your csing advantage I wonder
> [{quoted}](name=ScissorsNstuff,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=pMpMHPv5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-03-19T04:34:38.638+0000) > > It already is very much rewarding. It allows you a relatively safe method of getting quick gold and pressuring lanes as well as extended vision and alternative build paths. > > 20-30 cs = 1 kill. This has the biggest impact earlyon and in the lategame if you can get a lot of it and/or starve the enemy out. > > But how do you use your csing advantage I wonder The issue is that while I try to get cs advantage, my bot lane keeps dying so the enemy bot gets super fed despite them not farming as good.
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: whos better top lane annie or eleona
> [{quoted}](name=gorlighlolface,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=TufEKxNV,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-03-19T00:42:05.221+0000) > > whos better top lane annie or eleona Probably leona, she gets really tanky and has good peel for carries.
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RexSaur (NA)
: Can we make it so its actually possible to lane against talon as a melee champion?
They need to fix his level 2 cheese bullshit. He has been doing that since preseason.
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Buffy (NA)
: Please Don't Keep Adding More Scaling MR
They should only add more mr/level to juggernauts and tanks. Here is how base stats should work: Ranged/yasuo/kassadin: 30+0/level Melee assassin/skirmishers: 30+1/level Melee diver: 30+1.5/level Melee juggernaut: 30+1.75/level Melee tank: 30+2/level
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: Because it's fun to burst one person down with no real counterplay while not being very useful for the rest of the game. Why else would AP Blitz be popular?
> [{quoted}](name=TurquoiseYoshi,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=QexlME7z,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-03-16T02:10:06.288+0000) > > Because it's fun to burst one person down with no real counterplay while not being very useful for the rest of the game. Why else would AP Blitz be popular? This build makes her not as useless after she unloads her combo because her cds are short and can survive long enough to get a second stun. Not to mention she is meant to be a teamfight initiator not a burst mage.
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: If you get hit by both parts of talons W at level 1 you're probably bronze 5 or unranked so does it really matter in the first place?
> [{quoted}](name=vfactor95,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=W3WnZEyf,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-03-15T22:12:44.659+0000) > > If you get hit by both parts of talons W at level 1 you're probably bronze 5 or unranked so does it really matter in the first place? It is not like he walks up in the middle of my auto animation when I try to cs and uses it.
: Riot had the chance to rework Annie into a hybrid Summoner tank, they were to lazy to make it work..
I still do the whole "tanky stunbot annie support" from time to time.
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