: No items in carousel round in PBE?!
Shit makes the game mode so unfun it's ridiculous
: One of Riot's biggest mistakes was indulging in mages as "supports," enforcing damage over utility
Rioter Comments
: Does Riot keep ARAM unfair because money reasons?
: Nerf spellthief. But seriously, even at low tiers of play, burst supports are a pervasive problem. I appreciate that they are nerfing Brand and Zyra to tone it down, but the underlying problem remains; at that point you're just nerfing champions who abuse your OP system so you don't have to change it. Coin isn't broken. Balance the lane around *that*, instead of these consistently problematic items. Yes, you read that right. I got even *more* extreme, and I think removing relic shield wouldn't be crazy, either. Just let coin have branching upgrade paths and steer into the curve, since spellthief and relic are balance nightmares at various levels of play.
Coin is fucking boring and the least fun support item to use. The circle jerk around support being too strong is getting so annoying, tone down every roles damage and stop whinning about mage supports. There is too much damage in general, stop crying about spell thief supports that are only good in lower ranks meanwhile tank supports crush high ELO.
Quáx (NA)
: Zyra And Brand
Bless be low ELO Just play engage supports and shit on them, it's not hard.
: This is not ok
"barely" Zyra's e is incredibly easy to dodge, get good.
: Champions such as Velkoz & Xerath should NEVER be "supports"
: Brand support does way too much damage
The fact that this is being upvoted is hilarously sad. Low elo too OP
: Tanks are just to broken -_-
Good joke thread, Cho'Gath is a trash champion.
YokoNomi (NA)
: Why would I fully prep my stun, knowing the enemy has a veil? Stack a couple, pop it, then shield and then stun. Regardless of what changes have been made to veil, it has been the same circumstance since it was released. Not seeing the benefit of talking about it, unless the point is to aggravate people needlessly.
> [{quoted}](name=YokoNomi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6qqTEWRQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-07T23:14:24.926+0000) > > Why would I fully prep my stun, knowing the enemy has a veil? Stack a couple, pop it, then shield and then stun. Regardless of what changes have been made to veil, it has been the same circumstance since it was released. Not seeing the benefit of talking about it, unless the point is to aggravate people needlessly. Good luck popping a Lux's spell shield as Annie without flashing on her lol
: Hybrid runes are useless with the new Lethality
Yeahhhh, I don't think they really thought about how these changes would ruin hybrid marks. Now they are overpriced AND useless. Woo
: Rylais should have a stronger slow for melees.
Seems like it's actually a solid idea, no melees abuse the item so there really isn't a reason to nerf it for them. Fuck ranged.
nm1010 (NA)
: *Ignores the fact that Mord gets a shield that scales with 25% hp effectively putting him in line with the other juggernauts and the highest base ad in the entire game. Not to mention that he is destroying Korea pretty handily, he doesn't need buffs sorry. https://i.gyazo.com/85a515915d35741b064549af94cc79cf.png Edit: Downvote me all you want, you still aren't getting 182 hp @ 18. Maybe ask for something reasonable like getting rid of the bonus experience that is useless and we can give him the 20 hp @ 1. Also how did you mess up 20 + 9*18? You would have 1947 @18 with the changes you posted.
: When Bronzies attack
Welcome to youtube/twitch chat where everyone is bronze and bad.
: Whenever I play mid lane Mordekaiser
You should stream. I want to watch people playing Morde.
: Smurf players offending low level players. Please stop, we're new.
If someone says they are a silver smurf, laugh in their face and call them garbage because that's what they are. If you aren't at least Diamond 3 or above, no one cares. Diamond 4-5 kinda trashy tbh. Good players when smurfing give 0 shits if they win or lose. Also good players won't need MIA's because they buy pink wards and know how to use their minimap.
Rioter Comments
: Bring back higher elo spectate option in LoL client (bottom right of screen)
Same. I don't even watch the stupid videos they put up, I want to watch good players playing champions I love.
: is this a good enough champ pool to get out of bronze?
Play your best champion, learn correct build for the match up. learn to last hit, learn when to roam and when not to, learn how to not get butt raped by minion aggro early game, learn to call shots, learn to play against counters These are how you climb ELO at all ranks, you learn this more and more while also increasing your mechanics.
Lost R (NA)
: Support maltreatment - Yet again you find another line to cross
I feel like this is an ELO thing. Like, I rarely get shit talked as a support for the characters I play or am forced on a character I don't play. I don't think lower ELO people respect the fact that the Fotm champion isn't always the best pick and sometimes people play champions that aren't meta but they are really good at carrying with those rather than what is "strong." I'm a ziliean support main. Sometimes I'll get a whiner crying about how I "don't do enough" early game, but they usually shut up around the point I hit 45% cdr and chain stun people with 1.5 second area of effect stuns. I play ziliean, vel'koz, zyra, lulu and veigar support. The one people sometimes whine about is veigar, but I stick by him as a good niche pick support that I love to play. Great against squishy/AP comps. Like to use him into Sona because they usually build full AP. If you stick me on traditional supports, I'll generally do well on most supports but I am not good at carrying games on them. I have my characters, I know my match ups and which one I like into which bot lanes. I also generally feel more confident with a teamate when I see them not on a fotm champ because generally that means that person actually mains that champ and actually knows how to carry on it.
: I feel that the new ranked is better, simply because you get to choose your land and don't have to worry about pick order. That was a huge dispute in the earlier seasons and was too much of a hassle. Solo que is a risk you have to take and be able to adapt to the people you are playing with. In their eyes you are that random guy who causes them to loose games because you are unable to use a simple strategy called team work. There is a story to both sides not just your own. Adapt and over come that is how you become a better player. I am one of those people who group up and solo que in ranked games and I have been on both sides of the spectrum and I have lost more games due to the one random than learning how to play with four people who are together.
I like how you blame your random. Further enforcing the idea that 4 man ques are toxic and blameful of their 5th.
: how is having a 4 woman premade better than random children? at least they are not morons that feed. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
> [{quoted}](name=BlueBonquet,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m4GEB7UQ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-01T08:35:33.625+0000) > > how is having a 4 woman premade better than random children? > at least they are not morons that feed. > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} 4 man's feed just as much as solo quers, but at least solo quers communicate with everyone and not just their friends.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Spase Blitz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g4v7A73t,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-03-01T00:47:19.413+0000) > > heal cooldown is about it I think. Shes not as bad as people make her out to be, she is very easy to kill for junglers or if she gets caught out in the mid/late game. People just would rather it be easy then learn to play according to the situation People need to learn not to just focus one person, I've going about hitting the soraka then hitting the adc back and forth pattern. She kills herself healing someone and also taking damage forces her to pick and choose between trying to star call or avoid being hit again.
Any soraka with half a brain will always sit in the back and heal through coin, masteries, runes and potions. She is oppressive and extremely unfun to lane against. Sure she is easy to gank, but I shouldn't have to rely on my jungler to save me from this cancer laning phase while her also having a strong late game as well. The champion is stupid and there is a reason she is always banned. The only way to counter it is heavy roaming supports that sht on other lanes since soraka's roam potential is awful and why she see's very little competitive play.
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Rioter Comments
Duke Anax (EUW)
: Odd i always felt Mage supports are strong against Leona, as long as you dodge her sword, she can't do aynthing about your range.
> [{quoted}](name=Duke Anax,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WB4A7hjA,comment-id=001a0000,timestamp=2016-02-25T13:10:03.631+0000) > > Odd i always felt Mage supports are strong against Leona, as long as you dodge her sword, she can't do aynthing about your range. She is just so tanky with w, lots of damage with passive and even if she misses all her e's pre 6, as soon as she gets ult it's curtains for immobile mages if they don't flash. I don't know man, good leonas are the only thing I usually ever have trouble with other than broke ass soraka. I find Janna and nami pretty obnixious to lane against too though. Janna for her shield that I usually can't pop too easily early game and movement speed passive which makes skillshots harder and Nami for her OP laning phase if played properly. Though I see a lot of bad nami's that don't auto or trade... they hide behind their ADC like they are soraka or something.
: my list of sups in normal's(when i'm not TOTALLY goofing around): {{champion:53}} {{champion:201}} {{champion:60}} {{champion:40}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:421}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:16}} {{champion:44}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:14}} {{champion:161}} my sups in ranked:{{champion:267}} {{champion:201}} {{champion:60}} {{champion:40}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:16}} {{champion:44}} i really don't know what you're complaining about
Same. Support role is pretty diverse. You can play so many champs down there and do well with them, it's pretty great. Love me some sion support, lots of lane control. Ziliean is probably my best support currently.
Druella (NA)
: I'm sick of these 'supports'
If you are losing lane to mages as Nami and leona, you are doing something wrong, honestly. Nami has a retarded strong laning phase and leona curb stomps mages. I seriously HATE playing against Leona as a mage support, sona also does an insane amount of damage early game and if built full AP with liche/ludens she doesn't fall off. Morgana fits the support role perfectly. I don't even play Morgana and I have no issues with her being bot lane against me. Annoying? Yes she is. But as soon as she misses bind she is useless and you can punish the fuk out of her ADC just like you can blitz. I main lulu, ziliean, vel'koz and zyra support but I still love playing bard. I use to main Nami, but I'm seriously Nami'd out. I played her way too much and it's just boring for me now. Still an awesome champ though with thunderlords as long as you start w and use it with autos....auto, w, auto. Retarded broken damage and impossible to trade with.
: If only something like yi or katarina was picked... they´d lose instantly.
> [{quoted}](name=Apocyliptic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=s1ROXKwa,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-02-22T18:09:00.243+0000) > > If only something like yi or katarina was picked... they´d lose instantly. Quinn is actually pretty good against Kat because she can cancel the ult
: Anyone else live in constant fear that their favorite champ is gonna get Nerfed or Reworked?
Use to main urgot mid till he was brutally beaten with the nerf stick after crazy Russians got him nerfed. Use to main Viktor before his rework, now he's more a late game champ without his silence and OP death ray (old deathray was way more OP) Use to be a fiddle jungle main, and well...Nerf, nerf, nerf, more nerfs, shoot him and throw him in an alley. Not worth playing anymore compared to other champs. Use to be a Zyra main but she doesn't use the new masteries that well compared to out champs so I stopped using her. Currently a vel'koz/Ziliean main, vel'koz is being reworked and Ziliean is getting popular so I am super worried about that.
: What do you think about the state of Jhin??
Decent, but underpowered. His whole kit is pretty solid except his e... his e is garbage.
Rioter Comments
: zilean sup s6?
I main ziliean support and got to Plat 1 last season, in promos for diamond. He works just fine in the support role if you are a man and go full AP. Max bombs. then w, then e. You are playing to support AND carry. You also need to use your autos a lot in lane to proc your thunderlords. Auto, q, auto. 45% CDR is a must.
: Why You Shouldn't Think Supporting Is Easy
"Supports don't have to CS, therefore it is an easy/mindless role." Meanwhile they have to stay alive and carry games in solo que with no CS and generally assists. There is a reason I play mostly Vel'koz, zilean, lulu and zyra. I don't trust solo que and I want to carry. Frostfang usually gives me plenty of gold on these champs and their AP build are mostly decently cheap. Ziliean just needs 45% CDR with a {{item:3003}} , I always go full AP. lulu I go {{item:3092}} , {{item:2049}} , {{item:3158}} ,{{item:3060}} against AP, {{item:3050}} against AD, {{item:3504}} and a {{item:3089}} usually throw in to end the build. Zyra I usually go sightstone into liadnires, after that it's whatever...usually get voidstaff next though if they are stacking MR or I'm behind. Vel'koz same as zyra, {{item:2049}} into {{item:3151}} , get {{item:3285}} if stomping or go {{item:3135}} if behind. I go CDR boots because I generally don't go morellos anymore, I get plenty of CDR from CDR boots and {{item:2301}} . I don't go {{item:3092}} on Zyra, zilean or vel'koz because I think the item was overnerfed and I rather have that slot for a {{item:3089}} , otherwise you have that item and a sightstone taking up room in your inventory. I still use it on lulu though since she is more of a pure support with some solid damage still and the little extra utility feels nice. Remember though {{item:2301}} gives 10% cdr now and only takes up one spot while also being fairly cheap for that 10% cdr. It's a good buy.
: sion support
I play Sion support. It's okay. He's my go to tank support if I don't want to go my ziliean/zyra/vel'koz support. I like him because I can control the minion wave easily and have range harass with E. I start Q to push hard level 1 and rush for level 2 to get the advantage. You Q the first wave. Also his invades with Q start are extremely good. You'll still get a decent amount of HP from your relic shield stacks, so whatever. If you are lower ELO (Plat and below) it's not like your crap team knows how to farm anyway.
Kieferr (NA)
: Meanwhile she has to actually think about how to use her ulti in a way that doesn't screw over her teammates, and take into account enemy gap closers & channels to maximize effectiveness. Not sure if you're defending soraka or just brain dead yourself.
Not defending brain dead soraka either. Janna is easy, get over it. Most of her kit is point and click and she is the easiest champ in the game to not die on while just having to press e in laning phase on her ADC. It's not hard, doesn't mean you can't make plays on it though. Even the most mechanically low characters can make plays that lower ELO'd people couldn't make.
: > [{quoted}](name=DeathcapShaco,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HpAOTB3q,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-02-15T00:03:36.992+0000) > > No. > Azir is a toxic champ and needs reworked/rethought. > > No one enjoys playing against Azir when he's strong. I don't even enjoy playing against him right now. Constantly auto attacked by a solider I can't even hit over and over again every time I want to hit a last hit is horrible to lane against. > > He still see's pro play from time to time anyway. No.You didn't watch pro play.Azir didn't pick in NA LCS,LCK and LPL.Only 1 time EU and LPL.
One time. That's more times than most of the champion roster. Either way I don't want to see him buffed, I think he's a toxic champion that when strong is just disgusting to play against, esepcially in laning phase. I'd rather lane against anything else, even Zed.
Xopic (NA)
: Azir Needs Buffs
No. Azir is a toxic champ and needs reworked/rethought. No one enjoys playing against Azir when he's strong. I don't even enjoy playing against him right now. Constantly auto attacked by a solider I can't even hit over and over again every time I want to hit a last hit is horrible to lane against. He still see's pro play from time to time anyway.
: Easy Mid Laner's to Play
If you think zilean is easy, you are legit drunk. He has the worst early game ever and TERRIBLE mana problems while also needing to land his double bomb skill shots.
: Strong disengage support > assassins. The meta has shifted heavily towards assassins, of course anti assassin supports are going to be popular. {{champion:16}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:40}} {{champion:201}} {{champion:432}} All very good vs assassins.
I don't think bard is that good at dealing with assassins to be honest. Yeah you can ult your ADC but it's very delayed and just not as good as those other supports at dealing with assassins. Lulu and janna are instant with their assassin peel.
Kieferr (NA)
: "Braindead" Meanwhile there's currently a pick/ban support champ that literally just sits under tower and presses W whenever she feels like it and wins every single trade doing it. Give me a fuckin break.
Meanwhile janna presses e and let's her ADC when any trade. Janna is pretty brain dead, only takes decent ability when needing to cancel dashes with Q like Leona e.
: > [{quoted}](name=ReshiKillim,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZOvdue0x,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2016-02-14T01:13:30.031+0000) > > Janna can kite a full HP Tryndamere to death, just so you know. 'w' That is if he's the kind of retarded player who chases Janna from his inhib to hers.
That guy is so bad at Janna it pains me. You are suppose to Q when Tryn spins at you, not randomly so you can cancel the spin.
: @Riot, I just played Xin Zhao for the first time
Mundo has always been weak to duelest with a lot of healing.
: WHY DID YOU BUFF XIN
Still extremely easy to kite. I haven't played against it much, but been CC locking the ones I have seen and they been mostly useless. I suggestion you make sure your comp comp is balanced enough with CC and damage to where you do to him that you would with any other champion that is easy to kite and focus down. He has to have a couple damage items to be that monster people complain about meaning he won't be that tanky as long as you aren't letting him heal with his w.
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MakersF (EUW)
: Can we add some counterplay to Sion's counterplay?
His E needs to be stronger late game... Strong in lane, useless mid to late game. Bring back sion's 2 sec shield explode.
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eikooc (EUW)
: Which role would you want the "worst" player on your team to have?
I'm saying ADC because if everyone else is good and causes pressure, the ADC can stand back and auto.
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