: Riot needs to accept that they have to take all the hate and just kill karma in all but one role.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pqOZ1eZW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-16T20:28:49.407+0000) > > Riot needs to accept that they have to take all the hate and just kill karma in all but one role. Well, they refuse to do anything at this point. Their laziness created 3 different communities on players that are always at odds with one another. Riot refused to address her issues and the meta, runes and itemization created a mess of a champion. Like you said, until Riot decides what they are actually going to do on this champion, she will always be at a 45-47% winrate champion who has to be numbers buffed into oblivion to be relevant.
: Is she like gutted or something? I take her top or midlane, and still do decent. But I use an unconventional rune page. I take Dark Harvest and make sure to have Ultimate Hunter and Presence of Mind and 40% cdr. By the time I max out Ultimate Hunter, her ult is up almost always. The damage nerf probably made her weaker, but I still manage, at least in gold. Lol.
> [{quoted}](name=nachocheeseeeee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OQmUtRxf,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-16T07:16:38.096+0000) > > Is she like gutted or something? I take her top or midlane, and still do decent. But I use an unconventional rune page. I take Dark Harvest and make sure to have Ultimate Hunter and Presence of Mind and 40% cdr. By the time I max out Ultimate Hunter, her ult is up almost always. The damage nerf probably made her weaker, but I still manage, at least in gold. Lol. She is. Most players don't even know this but that nerf to the Q also effected the Mantra Q. Developers nerfed the Mantra Q damage as well as the Q damage. You can take whatever you want on her and still do good, but it leaves you feeling like she doesn't contribute anything meaningful to matches and Karma isn't fun to play as right now.
Rioter Comments
xelaker (NA)
: Just make her ult actually do something and act like any other ult, getting it at 6. Then you can actually balance her without making her slowly become useless post level 5. At least old karma was interesting to play as well.
> [{quoted}](name=xelaker,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OQmUtRxf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-16T05:18:57.927+0000) > > Just make her ult actually do something and act like any other ult, getting it at 6. Then you can actually balance her without making her slowly become useless post level 5. At least old karma was interesting to play as well. Very true.
Terozu (NA)
: If you're not supporting the company, you should still buy this skin. Riot isn't making money off this skin, it's all going to charity.
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=tvGhJ4Mg,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-10-16T03:09:39.150+0000) > > If you're not supporting the company, you should still buy this skin. Riot isn't making money off this skin, it's all going to charity. I would do it in a heartbeat but I don't even want my money going towards a charity in their name if the product is attached to a champion I admire and enjoyed playing since the very beginning. Sorry but just because it's attached to a charity, doesn't mean you should support it. I would show support and admiration for their content and work ethic if they addressed the issues they created on her.
Terozu (NA)
: WIP Dawn Bringer Karma splash!
I'm not supporting the company if they cannot be bothered to address her issues on a identity and game-play level. Karma is now at a 47-48% winrate . . . . after they had to nerf her 2 times after buffing her. The back and fourth buffing and nerfing has been going on for way too long and the fact that they cancelled a GU earlier this year and refuse to work on her problems or talk about them, is the reason why I have zero respect for them and will not support them. I'm sure the skin will be amazing and as a season 2 Karma player I would buy it in a heartbeat . . . . but as a long time player who feels like their champion is constantly being ignored for work that actually needs to be done on her, I'm not supporting it.
Rioter Comments
: Why Are Karma Players Upset about the Phoenix Video?
There are a lot of problems wrong with Karma's kit. Riot is to blame at the end of the day. They put themselves in this situation by ignoring her growing problems over the years. There are way too many hands on this champion and it ultimately has ruined her existence in this game. Riot could have addressed a single bit of her issues they created, but in term they spent months and years working on champion like Ryze and new ones. When RicklessAbandon removed her Shield Bomb, it sealed Karma's fate and her current state. Riot will NEVER work on this champion again because they waited to long to address her problems and too many different kinds of players are using her. We have old Karma mains that want what is best for her, top Karma main players that like her in the abusive state she is currently in, and new Karma players that just want to sit in the back and press Mantra E. When you wait too long and ignore countless amounts of feedback about a problem, you have multiple problems. Nothing is happening on this champion because Riot cannot do anything now without annoying one group of Karma mains. When the GU happened earlier this year, the Mage Karma mains were upset. During the Development process of the GU, Support and new karma mains were attacking and belittling anyone with a better opinion and suggestion for Karma . . . . because these mains don't want her to be changed from the shield bot gameplay style she currently has and has had countless times in the past 6 years. AGAIN, IT'S ALL RIOT'S FAULT AND THEY CREATED THIS DIVISION AND MESS. I mean it's not like myself and so many others told Morello, Meddler, Reaves, RicklessAbandon, Scruffy, and NeuroCat this in the past 6 years. Who cares anymore what they do with Karma. All these Developers are interested in doing is a back and fourth numbers buff and eventual nerf, that will give them another years worth of excuses to ignore her problems and blame something else. They don't care.
: Karma Rework?
I hate to be the one to say I told you so, but I will tell you so. Riot hasn't cared about this champion in 6 years. They've gone out of their way to ignore her problems for the past few years and purposely put her in a state of being overpowered and horrible to play against, to tell the older Karma mains F**K you we did a great job. They are not reworking anything and if they do anything, Riot is just going to put a 0.05 increase on her Mantra E or E. They don't care at all. I will be incredibly surprised if they addressed her kit, identity problems and I would be floored if they did a visual update on her. Riot doesn't care.
: > [{quoted}](name=Deathfall,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Lf6LswME,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:51:05.666+0000) > > Right. Continue to support a bunch of Developers who would rather release new champions with broken kits and identities and always rework/buff popular champions. Really, try to convince all of us they care about the problems they created and the champions they continue to ignore. Let's only acknowledge a few champions when they are getting a skin!? Shocker! You are so wrong. Riot Game Developers are greedy scumbags. It's not a coincidence they buffed Miss Fortune when they knew her skin would be out in a few months. It's not a coincidence they buffed/reworked Pyke. It's not a coincidence they buffed Riven. Stop aimlessly supporting a bunch of Developers THAT DON'T CARE ABOUT A CHAMPION. How about you actually show proof I just showed there is no money in it but you didn't give a counter point since you have done. Also love you bring up pyke who got fucking nerfed for solo lane then got buffs to make up for it. Like that's call balancing.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Lf6LswME,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:57:16.521+0000) > > How about you actually show proof I just showed there is no money in it but you didn't give a counter point since you have done. > > Also love you bring up pyke who got fucking nerfed for solo lane then got buffs to make up for it. Like that's call balancing. The timing is proof. I don't need to convince you or anyone else. The community sees it. Continue to support everything the do when you know what they do is always bias and revolves around money. They don't care about their community at all so I don't know why you continue to support them.
Rioter Comments
: Riot 100% doesn't do this. Since if you look at the times people get mad it's usually around a popular champion but guess what THERE ISN'T LOT OF MONEY BUFFING POPULAR CHAMPIONS. Like they have nerfed so many unpopular champions this year that have gotten skins showing they don't do that since the only time they're popular and can more money from them is when they're popular but they didn't. Like let me try to make this simpler. If yasuo makes x amount in money buffing him will only increase that by 3% whereas a champion like ivern if he get buffed it can increase the x by 100%. If a champion is already popular the amount riot get can by having them be good is very low since the player base of them is already high whereas a unpopular champions if he becomes popular has a amazing increase in the amount of sales it can go up since way more people are playing them. Like can we please stop this nonsense it's not true and if you actually think about it, it makes no sense.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Lf6LswME,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:33:59.545+0000) > > Riot 100% doesn't do this. Since if you look at the times people get mad it's usually around a popular champion but guess what THERE ISN'T LOT OF MONEY BUFFING POPULAR CHAMPIONS. Like they have nerfed so many unpopular champions this year that have gotten skins showing they don't do that since the only time they're popular and can more money from them is when they're popular but they didn't. > > Like let me try to make this simpler. > If yasuo makes x amount in money buffing him will only increase that by 3% whereas a champion like ivern if he get buffed it can increase the x by 100%. > > If a champion is already popular the amount riot get can by having them be good is very low since the player base of them is already high whereas a unpopular champions if he becomes popular has a amazing increase in the amount of sales it can go up since way more people are playing them. > > Like can we please stop this nonsense it's not true and if you actually think about it, it makes no sense. Right. Continue to support a bunch of Developers who would rather release new champions with broken kits and identities and always rework/buff popular champions. Really, try to convince all of us they care about the problems they created and the champions they continue to ignore. Let's only acknowledge a few champions when they are getting a skin!? Shocker! You are so wrong. Riot Game Developers are greedy scumbags. It's not a coincidence they buffed Miss Fortune when they knew her skin would be out in a few months. It's not a coincidence they buffed/reworked Pyke. It's not a coincidence they buffed Riven. Stop aimlessly supporting a bunch of Developers THAT DON'T CARE ABOUT A CHAMPION.
: What that? They are nerfing Blitz *this patch*, and we still don't know any balance changes for the one this skin is on.
> [{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=EBBIvmVK,discussion-id=odvy4cXX,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T17:56:23.902+0000) > > What that? They are nerfing Blitz *this patch*, and we still don't know any balance changes for the one this skin is on. They also buffed Riven for her skin. They've been doing this trend for awhile now and it makes them look scummy. Stop eluding that they are innocent. They aren't. The Developers are lying hypocrites that actually don't want to address the real issues.
: They don't know how to do their jobs, all they know how to do is lie and make garbage.
> [{quoted}](name=p3tm4ster,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Lf6LswME,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:16:21.995+0000) > > They don't know how to do their jobs, all they know how to do is lie and make garbage. True. I mean, where is the Wukong rework/update? Why are they nerfing Karma after they spent months canceling her GU and then saying she needs help, to nerf her AGAIN after buffing her and also lie about nerfing the Mantra Q damage.
Remus Wins (EUNE)
: All New Halloween Skins 2019
The hat on Presige MF looks terrible and choppy.
Rioter Comments
: > I can not stand Zoe as a champion and I think SG Zoe is the most ugliest skin you have ever created Jesus christ, what are we, 5 year olds that throw a tantrum over something we dont like? You lost all attention you could have gotten from Riot right there It amazes me that the Reddit and Boards community unironically think they are the majority
> [{quoted}](name=Alice McPancakes,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=KHbxVWMT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-29T01:03:25.084+0000) > > Jesus christ, what are we, 5 year olds that throw a tantrum over something we dont like? You lost all attention you could have gotten from Riot right there > > It amazes me that the Reddit and Boards community unironically think they are the majority I never expected to get any Riot response from this. They can barely talk about anything these days unless it revolves around another rework for Ryze, Akali, Aatrox, or Irelia. Who cares what comes out of their mouths. It's all lies and hypocritical statements. These Developers don't care.
: ~~The vocal majority have spoken.~~ The vocal members of the boards. FTFY Some people are upset, some people actually like the skins. The boards are never really a good place to gauge community opinions because of how bandwagony it is.
> [{quoted}](name=TheUrbanKitsune,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=KHbxVWMT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-29T01:00:32.851+0000) > > ~~The vocal majority have spoken.~~ > The vocal members of the boards. > > FTFY > Some people are upset, some people actually like the skins. The boards are never really a good place to gauge community opinions because of how bandwagony it is. Look at Reddit, Twitter, and Youtube. NO ONE LIKES THEM. Stop giving them the credit they don't deserve.
Rioter Comments
: You say mages then say there is no real melee ap items At that point you arnt talking about mages anymore.
> [{quoted}](name=Tahminatrix ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F0iTU4lp,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-18T22:46:47.081+0000) > > You say mages then say there is no real melee ap items > > At that point you arnt talking about mages anymore. {{champion:131}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:245}}
: Damage was lowered, mobility creep is not real, healing is actually weak on most champions, Assassins are fine, mages have good itemization the problem is that core items are too strong and give to much like luden's, Why do supports need a rework? Basically every riot said they do they did.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F0iTU4lp,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-18T22:44:23.302+0000) > > Damage was lowered, > mobility creep is not real, > healing is actually weak on most champions, Assassins are fine, > mages have good itemization the problem is that core items are too strong and give to much like luden's, > Why do supports need a rework? > > > Basically every riot said they do they did. You're delusional if you think the game is balanced. The numbers and the amount of players complaining about things is a clear tell. Mobility is a massive problem with the amount of hypermobility on champions in the game, while other champions have to actually work to get their damage out and get punished by mobility creep to do it. Healing is not actually weak and it's only weak when healing cut items are built, which is a joke too btw. Assassins are not fine when they are one shotting, going invisible, phasing through walls, healing themselves up to full health, and doing massive amount of damage and not getting punished. Yeah, right. Mages only have two forms of defensive itemization. Mages who are bruisers don't have itemization at all. Supports need more items, better vision, older Supports need a modernization to keep up with new Supports, Enchanters need work, and so on. You can sit here and tell me everything is great Riot fangirl. In reality, the amount of players say other wise.
: > [{quoted}](name=Deathfall,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F0iTU4lp,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-18T22:37:37.633+0000) > > - Mages have very limited itemization and defensive itemization, > - Separate LCS buffs/nerfs from casual play. It's time to do it or step up and do the jobs you are hired to do. Just because it's flashy in the LCS and having higher damage in game is better for competitive play, doesn't mean the casual players like it. Fix it. Do your jobs. I take issue with these two. -Mages ASKED for their items to be streamlined like Assassin do for Leth items. I remember this before they announced the mage item reworks. -Separating LCS changes from casual play hurts people trying to get into pro play, as they would be playing on almost an entire different patch from what pro is, and would have to do an immediate 180 with their champ pool. I get those players are of a smaller size, but at the same time it would be the same feeling if all the sudden Normals was removed for every perm gamemode and it became nothing but ranked.
> [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F0iTU4lp,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-18T22:43:16.586+0000) > > I take issue with these two. > > -Mages ASKED for their items to be streamlined like Assassin do for Leth items. I remember this before they announced the mage item reworks. > > -Separating LCS changes from casual play hurts people trying to get into pro play, as they would be playing on almost an entire different patch from what pro is, and would have to do an immediate 180 with their champ pool. I get those players are of a smaller size, but at the same time it would be the same feeling if all the sudden Normals was removed for every perm gamemode and it became nothing but ranked. If I remember, Mages asked for more defensive itemization as well as itemization for AP bruisers. Riot Game Developers didn't do the work. Everyone whines that the damage is made too high because of the LCS and how much the LCS needs it for entertainment purposes. Separate it then. I'm just saying what other people are saying lol.
: I agreed with you up until you got to mages, they are pretty solid atm and have access to {{item:3157}} without sacrificing much. They can self peel and burst even tanks because purely defensive mr items are all mostly crap, especially considering if you buy mr you arnt getting any tankier against the vast majority of things that can hurt you.
> [{quoted}](name=Tahminatrix ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F0iTU4lp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-18T22:39:48.151+0000) > > I agreed with you up until you got to mages, they are pretty solid atm. > > They can self peel and burst even tanks because purely defensive mr items are all mostly crap, especially considering if you buy mr you arnt getting any tankier against the vast majority of things that can hurt you. Mages are not pretty solid at the moment. Mages have two defensive items and that is 1 armor and 1 MR item. There is no "real" melee AP itemization in the game. Mage runes all revolve around movement speed enhancing. You can sit here and tell me the Sorcery tree is not a problem, but the Sorcery tree is a problem.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: I've never seen a company more dishonest and disconnected from their playerbase than Riot
They don't care. I for one am VERY upset with them about TT and their laziness.
: To be fair, that Karma GU we almost got was disappointing on almost every level and needed to be scrapped. The biggest disappointment about that situation was that there wasn't a smaller set of "back-up" changes that could've gone through.
> [{quoted}](name=IxtaliKing,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HxRLoxg9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-31T22:07:17.267+0000) > > To be fair, that Karma GU we almost got was disappointing on almost every level and needed to be scrapped. The biggest disappointment about that situation was that there wasn't a smaller set of "back-up" changes that could've gone through. Yep. They immediately rushed her over to the TFT team after she asked for more time and resources to make what we wanted happen. Meddler is the problem.
R4ndom F1nn (EUNE)
: Every company needs critique, as well as praise. While you have made some valid points on some parts, you are also pushing aside some good things riot has done. They reworked Mordekaiser, he is now actually powerful, but can still be beaten provided you are smart. They made a poll on what champions should be reworked, and instead of reworking only 1 of those champs, they have put resources towards reworking 2. Pantheon rework looks amazing to add to that. The size of the champion pool is what makes lol unique, everyone has a champ they can use, yuumi and qiyana for example have already gotten people to main them, as they are different from the 140 other champs. This game makes everyone pissed at some point, but still we for some reason remain. It has flaws, but look on the positives of the game and on the positives of Riot.
> [{quoted}](name=R4ndom F1nn,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HxRLoxg9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-31T19:44:54.630+0000) > > Every company needs critique, as well as praise. While you have made some valid points on some parts, you are also pushing aside some good things riot has done. They reworked Mordekaiser, he is now actually powerful, but can still be beaten provided you are smart. > They made a poll on what champions should be reworked, and instead of reworking only 1 of those champs, they have put resources towards reworking 2. Pantheon rework looks amazing to add to that. The size of the champion pool is what makes lol unique, everyone has a champ they can use, yuumi and qiyana for example have already gotten people to main them, as they are different from the 140 other champs. > > This game makes everyone pissed at some point, but still we for some reason remain. It has flaws, but look on the positives of the game and on the positives of Riot. There are no positive when a company prioritizes massive reworks on the same champions every year, waste time on champions that don't need buffs, prioritize reworks on new and recent VGU, don't address problem champions the community say for years are problems, and more. The balance state of the game, the matchmaking system, and the behavior system needs major work and it sucks. These Developers don't get praise because they don't care about the critique and making changes. Stop supporting bad work ethic and bias work ethic.
Rioter Comments
SiG DxD (EUNE)
: @RIOT any updates on kayle ?
Nope. They are working on another Irelia update. Remember how she got one a few weeks ago? :O
: Serious question about the last dev blog.
They ask every single year. Yes. Riot decided to focus on giving champions multiple skins through out the year and within a six month timegap. :D They are doing a wonderful job ignoring their entire champion roster.
Juxin (NA)
: Can we stop cannibalizing League for TFT?
They took Developers who worked on League of Legends and put them on the TFT team. Legit, the Developer in charge of Karma's GU earlier this year was moved to the TFT group. She asked for more time, resources, and help with the Karma GU but Meddler didn't budge on anything. Guess what happened? Karma's GU was cancelled. The Developers don't care.
Rioter Comments
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: July 19
OOOOOO talking about Ryze again. The week before it was Irelia, the week before that it was Akali, the week before that it was Lux and Ryze. It's good to know you are consistent, Meddler. Thanks for showing an active interest in all of your champions every single week. Good job Meddler. I look forward to another Developer post about Irelia, Akali, Lux, Ahri or another popular or new champion next week. You guys are doing such a great job ignoring your duties.
Rioter Comments
: Deathfall - LGBTQ Assassin Player (GOLD)
Rioter Comments
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: July 5
I would really like to have these few questions answered. 1) Why does it feel like Riot Game Developers don't know what to do with top lane? The lane functions that if the champion gets even a little ahead, they are unbeatable. There is also the problem that there are some champions who don't belong in the lane and are making it harder for other champions to play in it (ranged champions). To combat the overwhelming power and lane presence of other champions, Riot you buff and rework underwhelming champions in an attempt to make them a presence in the lane again (Kench, Illaoi, Garen, Darius, and so many others.) but the problem is Developers are not nerfing and reworking the right champions who are actually causing the problem for the lane. I mean, it's really not fun to play top lane. I don't see anyone saying they love top lane. If the enemy top laner gets ahead, then it's almost always game over for the other player. The way most toplane champions are functioning now is that there is almost no chance to catch up against an opponent with more items, a higher level, incessant JG ganks, and much more. 2) Point blank, mages like Brand, Zyra, and other make it hard for other champion to be successful. They can one shot a player by just about doing nothing even at level 2. What are Riot Game Developers doing to lessen the burden of some champions carrying the lane because of their champions and not because they have skill? Instead of reworking tank itemization in bot lane and tanky supports, why not nerf the underlying problems liek Brand, Karma, and Zyra?
Jikker (NA)
: My verdict on updated Ezreal
Too bad popular champions get prioritized work. {{champion:43}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:72}} all received horrible reworks or vgu that Riot isn't addressing in any shape or form
: Riot Games growing desperate for viewers
When you ignore your playerbase and remain stubborn with your decisions, you lose players. Sorry but the companh deserved it. It's been getting out of hand a lot recently and they know it. Now players are getting upset with their campions being ignored for years. Eve got two skins this year. Rakhan and Xeyah got two skins this year and are probably slated for another. Jhin got three skins last year. The same champions got skins last year and this year. Players are just fed up with them. It took them how many years to give us a Heim skin? Eve got two skins this year. Jhin got three last year. Rakhan and Xeyah got two this year. They don't care about all 140 plus champions.
: I feel bad for all of you that still believe Riot can unfuck their game at this point
The Developers decided to update the game a few years ago and they stop doing it. The game has over 140 champions with only 30 of them being viable, updated and up to date. It's very alarming for Developers to continue adding new champions into the game when they know there are so many waiting for an acthal VGU. Adding new champions is not going to make the game better. It is work that is going to be taken away from someone else and content that another champion is going to wait uears to get. Popular champions, VGU completed champions, and new champions get more skins frequently, get more reworks and buffs, and get more attention than older ones woth noticeable problems. It's a problem.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: October 10
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/VVQiBH5b-new-karma-rework-not-addressing-any-issues-meddler Meddler, if the Karma rework is not addressing a single of her massive problems, why are you even bothering with her? It was said her direction and identity is not being touched. It was said that her art is not being touched. It was said her theme is not being touched. Finally, her gameplay is hardly being touched. 1. No new passive. 2. Most likely no Shield Bomb. 3. No new Q or Mantra Q. 4. W and Mantra W is still going to have the same problems the previous one had. Nothing specific and gives her no direction, but can be abused in another role. 5. No fans and no art updates to actually finish the garbage you gave us. What are you accomplishing with Karma then? You value the opinions of new players that are the first ones to throw her away and insult people, but you refuse to listen to the actual playerbase that cares about this champion for the past five years. You created the division and you created the mess. I told you several years ago you were going to use time as an excuse to do nothing on this champion. You did it.
: You don't have to deal with Karma mains and fanbase, when you keep her weak for two seasons and her players already left to play other game or other champs. ---Just look at voting, every karma player supports what you wrote, but looks like there are 5players that have not forgotten karma--- Why they are doing it't quite obvious since originally she was the ultimate tacitical counter to picks like zed and yasuo, and then they cried at boards and since rito prefers action over tactics. It has gone to point where karma is totally being destroyed by ad mid picks, exactly opposite she was supposed to.
> [{quoted}](name=God of Dark Love,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VVQiBH5b,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-10T12:08:24.579+0000) > > You don't have to deal with Karma mains and fanbase, when you keep her weak for two seasons and her players already left to play other game or other champs. ---Just look at voting, every karma player supports what you wrote, but looks like there are 5players that have not forgotten karma--- Why they are doing it't quite obvious since originally she was the ultimate tacitical counter to picks like zed and yasuo, and then they cried at boards and since rito prefers action over tactics. It has gone to point where karma is totally being destroyed by ad mid picks, exactly opposite she was supposed to. That's what Meddler wants. He wants all of us to leave so he can say the relaunch was successful and they did a good job. That's how thjs Developer works. He twists words and situations that make himself and thr company look like they care. Clearly the past five years is evidence of that not being true.
: She was given a mini, half assed, "rework" a few years ago. Basically Riot butchered her and left her in the dirt. And continue to ignore the people who are passionate about her. Meanwhile they give Ryze a shit ton of new reworks and leave her in the dust. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
> [{quoted}](name=SnugglePuggle94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VVQiBH5b,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2018-10-10T12:53:11.173+0000) > > She was given a mini, half assed, "rework" a few years ago. Basically Riot butchered her and left her in the dirt. And continue to ignore the people who are passionate about her. > > Meanwhile they give Ryze a shit ton of new reworks and leave her in the dust. > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} It was a full blown relaunch and the very first VGU. Until Morde Karma was the worst worked on champion in LoL. The past Development team refused to listen, removed almost everything players loved about Karma, and they haven't done anything for 5 years now to rectify mistakes. Meddler and Reaves have a lot of excuses though.
InTheory (EUW)
: I think it's about the latest re-iteration of her W that ended up being scrapped. But it meant that Riot was trying to change something about Karma that, as far as I understand OP, is not helping Karma in any regards and not the amount/style of change it requires to handle the mess of her previous update.
> [{quoted}](name=InTheory,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VVQiBH5b,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-10-10T11:40:54.050+0000) > > I think it's about the latest re-iteration of her W that ended up being scrapped. But it meant that Riot was trying to change something about Karma that, as far as I understand OP, is not helping Karma in any regards and not the amount/style of change it requires to handle the mess of her previous update. It's. Not. This doesn't gjve her a gameplay identity, improve her art, or make her thematic problems better. It's just another pathetic attempt to say they are working on her but continue to give us half arsed work. Please do not hold Riot NeuroCat responsible. She wanted to do more but Meddler refuses to budge on anything. Let's just talk about and work on champs like Ryze, Lud, Ezreal and Ahri.
Rexxiee (NA)
: Is riot REALLY ok with this?
Oo shocker. Both get a new skin and they are strong. It's nothing new.
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Meddler (NA)
: Yeah, I'd agree old, old Karma (pre 2013) went deeper into fights, though even then not as deep as some champs. One of the issues we run into here is that the majority of people playing Karma at this point never played that original version of Karma. If we're making changes using that as guideline of what's desired we're then serving a small subset of the Karma player base ignoring feedback from a lot of others. Reverts on things like that can work a lot better when the change was more recent by contrast and the majority of the engaged audience have experience with the older version.
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=AENqRo6N,comment-id=001c0000,timestamp=2018-10-03T16:22:21.897+0000) > > Yeah, I'd agree old, old Karma (pre 2013) went deeper into fights, though even then not as deep as some champs. One of the issues we run into here is that the majority of people playing Karma at this point never played that original version of Karma. If we're making changes using that as guideline of what's desired we're then serving a small subset of the Karma player base ignoring feedback from a lot of others. Reverts on things like that can work a lot better when the change was more recent by contrast and the majority of the engaged audience have experience with the older version. And again your fault. I told you threw years ago you were going to use time as an excuse to never work on her. Here we are, Meddler. Still making excuses and still not doing your job. Idiot.
: > [{quoted}](name=Deathfall,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jPANQ6mo,comment-id=000200010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-08T21:20:16.424+0000)I know you moron. Really? 'cause I'm legitimately confused. I came into this thread asking a question that I wasn't sure if you had considered, and the rest of the time have been telling you that I get your frustration and it's fine. I showed you those things because I thought you might have missed them, and might want to see them. I am NOT interested in changing your mind, nor in telling you your opinion is wrong. I AM interested in understanding your perspective, and in sharing my thoughts on the issue since it seemed like a potentially interesting conversation. But if we're at insults, then best of luck to you. I hope your next game of choice has a development team you prefer.
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jPANQ6mo,comment-id=0002000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-08T21:26:48.871+0000) > > Really? 'cause I'm legitimately confused. I came into this thread asking a question that I wasn't sure if you had considered, and the rest of the time have been telling you that I get your frustration and it's fine. I showed you those things because I thought you might have missed them, and might want to see them. > > I am NOT interested in changing your mind, nor in telling you your opinion is wrong. I AM interested in understanding your perspective, and in sharing my thoughts on the issue since it seemed like a potentially interesting conversation. > > But if we're at insults, then best of luck to you. I hope your next game of choice has a development team you prefer. I've been here since season 2 and I have been belittled, harassed, told to go kill myself, that it is a waste of time to create threads about Karma because she is not popular enough. It's players like me who actually care about their champion that are getting things done. I don't need to explain my perspective to you or anyone else. I've been doing it for the past 5 years. The Developers write us off, the new players write us off and harass us, and no one seems to care. I'm not explaining my reasonings and I shouldn't have to. You clearly didn't care about anything other than coming into this thread and trying to make excuses and reasons as to why champions like Karma, Morde, Malz and Liss get no work done on them, but Ezreal gets a total of two art updates in the span of one year. Pulsefire had textures updated last year and it was updated again this year. Karma's skins and base model match zero of her splasharts, the models are rushed and terrible, and players who actually play and care about Karma don't like it. Let's work on champs like Ezreal or Ryze 7 times. I don't care. Go make excuses and try to understand other peoples' perspectives. You don't care about mine and you came in guns a blazing.
: > [{quoted}](name=Deathfall,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jPANQ6mo,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2018-10-08T20:53:24.809+0000)What's your excuse and reason going to be now? What reason, the same reasons she gets zero work done on her to correct mistakes, you gonna make now? I'm not actually making excuses, nor telling you your perspective is wrong. I totally get it. I'm just sharing another viewpoint, which is that the reason for the lack of work on Karma may have been the lack of a good *direction* for that work. New animations for a kit that needs changes isn't a productive use if those animations won't remain. That said, on the subject of walking/running animations, [this just-released Karma one might interest you.](https://twitter.com/RoryAlderton/status/1049369810214084610) You might also like [this topic](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/KaRmzNlN-clothesline-karma-mini-retrospective?comment=000f000000000000), which shows some Karma exploration that didn't quite land as desired, but indocates that work IS being done.
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jPANQ6mo,comment-id=00020001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-08T21:02:09.858+0000) > > I'm not actually making excuses, nor telling you your perspective is wrong. I totally get it. I'm just sharing another viewpoint, which is that the reason for the lack of work on Karma may have been the lack of a good *direction* for that work. New animations for a kit that needs changes isn't a productive use if those animations won't remain. > > That said, on the subject of walking/running animations, [this just-released Karma one might interest you.](https://twitter.com/RoryAlderton/status/1049369810214084610) > > You might also like [this topic](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/KaRmzNlN-clothesline-karma-mini-retrospective?comment=000f000000000000), which shows some Karma exploration that didn't quite land as desired, but indocates that work IS being done. Walking and running animation is fine, but not that great. Model still is rushed and garbage. I know you moron. Only the W was changed. I talked with the Developer and Meddler wasnt allowing any time or resources to be allocated for what she wanted to do with Karma. She wanted to bring back her fans but couldn't, she wanted to fix a lot of other things but she couldn't. This is because of Meddler refusing to let go of his ignorance towards Karma and her mains. No matter what this Development team does it will always be half arsed and they will all use the same excuse, "its out of the scope of what I would like and can do." Meddler is the reason why. I dont need to be showed things I already know about and know why it will still be considered half arsed.
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