: Proof that NB3 actually got Nubrac banned
This is the second part. Go back and read the first. There is your warning Light Burner. Alright, now you want to talk about the strategy that's fine by me. I'll gladly give my input. So, you want me to "Provide reasons why teemo support mid is a better strategy to win games than the current meta." I don't think it's better. However, I do believe a duo mid lane is far more effective than a duo bot lane. I was defending Nubrac because in Riot's rules they say nothing about him being Teemo Support and supporting the mid-laner is against the rules. With that being said I'll tell you why I believe duo mid-lane is better than a duo bottom lane. I will not say Teemo Supporting mid-lane is better because having a sona support would be more my style. So, when I go over the strategy it will involve a duo mid-lane in other words you can send the adc to mid lane and move the "mid lane" to bot. I will be going over why this is better and not the "mid needs levels adc needs gold" argument of yours. Moving on to the actual strategy. For early game it provides an extremly heavy emphasis onto the middle lane. If a team were to send two member to the middle lane and the other team does not. That means the team without the extra person in mid will be at a severe disadvantage. So, I'll go over this as if both teams sent their duos to mid lane then I'll explain what happens if they don't. The duo that controls middle lane will have priority across the map. With priority in mid lane they roam with either a single member or both to either top or bottom side. Turning a simple gank into a 4 man gank or a 3 man counter gank. This also applies to the neutral objectives. Scuttle will be easier to contest for any team with middle lane priority and same goes for Dragon and Rift Herald. Not only that but, if you have priority in the mid lane you can place deep wards and get vision on the enemy jg in both top and bottom side of the enemy jg. This also forces the solo lanes in top and bot to play accordingly to how the mid lane is going. If your mid lane has priority it forces the enemy to place safe even if they have priority in that lane because a 3 or even a 2 man gank from mid may be too risky to play agressive. So, if you have weak solo laners this can give them some breathing room and allow them to farm somewhat safely until they can hit their own power spike. Now let's assume the enemy does not send their duo to mid lane and instead go with the traditional bot lane. This will give the duo in mid priority and allow them to gank top lane and apply pressure bot lane. Forcing the bot laners to play safer givng the solo bot lane a chance to breath and farm. Not only that but, they will have top prirority along with deep vision in the tops side of the enemy jg. Also, if the enemy tries to take dragon with your duo mid you can still challenge it since the duo mid will naturally have priority. They can also apply to the Rift Herald. However, the enemy will always be at a disadvantage regarding the Herald unless they have their bot lane roam top side prior to engagement. The reason for this is because if the enemy has their duo in bot lane that means if they try to contest Herald it will be a 4v3. Naturally in the team with duo mid's favor. I have read what you said in your last post however, since I am explaing the strategy behind it and not defending Nubrac I can tell you that the AD Carry does not have to be bot lane. The AD Carry can go mid and the assassin/mage can go bot. Thus this won't affect anything involving their gold income or levels. It will affect the way they play, summoner spells, and agression. So, I suggest thinking outside the box and not relying on what is said inside it. If you want I can go into a better explanation but, I believe this should suffice since it's pretty cut and dry.
: Proof that NB3 actually got Nubrac banned
No you can speak your mind all you want. However, majority of the time you posted on this forum it has involved a something along the lines of "tarzan said this" or "jensen said that." You aren't thinking for youreslf at that point. You are just taking the word of someone else. I understand that the higher-elo players don't like Nubrac however, just because they don't like him doesn't mean the strategy he was implementing is bad. Just because they don't like change doesn't mean the game won't change. Now you go on to talk about your statistics when attempting this out in the game. This is factual proof however, it cannot be applied in this situation. The perfect example is the myth that 1 in 4 woman are raped or sexually assaulted. This is false on a national scale however, in a specific college enviroment where the study was taken place it is true. So, just because it is true in one place does not mean it is true on the larger scale. Whenever someone says "One in four women will be raped or sexually assualted" it is nothing more than a statistic taken from a study done on a college campus and was chopped up and forced onto others to make it suit peoples arguments. With that being said if you do this in game there is a chance that 100% of the people playing will be ok with it. There is also a chance that 100% of the people playing will not be ok with it. However, if you look at the boards involving the NightBlue3 and Nubrac incident and tally up the amount of upvotes and arguements defending Nubrac. It is reletively even in terms on who's on what side. Moving on to the next point you are talking about the Youtube video you linked. This is evidence however, you did not take into account the actions caused. You said "Irelia 1 level behind 9 minutes into the game" and "Sivir behind 16 CS" I went over why this was on the 6th page of this forum at the bottom. You either did not read what I posted or ignored it even though I go through step by step what was done wrong on Irelia, Sivir, and NightBlue3's part which caused the 2/9 death ratio and the Sivir being so far behind on CS. You can use higher-elo players opions however, that's exactly what they are. Nothing more than a suggestion by someone. When people start acting like what they say is how things are that's when they are no longer an opinion. Instead they turn into a forced narrative. Which is exactly what you were doing whenever you posted about them. Now saying that we aren't 'equipped with the knowledge to have that discussion judging by our ranks.' This is very untrue. Just because we don't have high ranks does not mean we can't give our opinions on a subject. Hypothetically speaking I can know every little minute detail about a game however, just because I know this information does not mean I can play the game well enough to reach a high rank. Much like in real life people reach out to an open minded non-biased sources to get a better view on things. Tunnel vision is to focus on a single goal or point of view. In other words the high-elo players have tunnel vision right now and so does anyone who listens to them as if god himself was talking to them. It works perfectly fine so, they don't change it. This entire time all you have been preaching about is "he said this" and "this player said that" but, at no point did you actually make a decisive argument. All you said was "If you listened to what tarzan said you'd understand the point" - this is not a decisive argument this is nothing more than an opinion of someone else that you tried to force onto another person. I started to ignore your points because that's all you did. You cherry picked specifics words and phrases to meet your narritive. In your post you cherry picked "Sivir was actually pretty even at the 6:54 mark." and "She gave up and made poor decisions leading up to here grand total of 11 cs in 3 minutes." Even though I had already posted about it on the 6th page of this forum at the bottom. Granted you probably thought that the post at the top of the 7th page was my rebuttle however, you should have done a better job checking the forum and looked at the previous page. I went over it all in that one step by step. Whether you missed it or ignored it that is on you. I cannot be your babysitter and make sure you read everything. You have to be an adult and do it yourself. You did not claim any of my statements were false. If you can pick one of your statements that claimed one of mine were false without picking out specific parts of the entire claim then tell me which one it was. I'm glad you went over what an argument is because you have not followed that format. You provided a claim however, you did not support your claim. You just forced others opinions into the argument and said that was it. Then whenever I told you my claim and my proof you picked out small fragments to suit your "claim." As for the 'facts' I shut down on you. Well let's see there is the 7th page where you cherry picked and I already had a post on the 6th page. THere is the "definition of griefing" fact. There the argument "So i queue up as jungle, run into all my lanes take their cs and do anything i want on the map. Fight under enemy turrets die constantly. Why ban me? Im doing what i want." where I explained that was feeding and not a new 'strategy.' Also there's the fact that Nubrac didn't do anything wrong per Riot's Rules. Yet, there isn't a single one where you have proven me wrong. Go ahead re-read this entire forum. I started posting on here on the 4th page. Go ahead and see if you've proven any of my points wrong. "Hoping on high-elo players dicks" - This is not my defense. It's what you've been doing everytime you tried to force their opinion onto another. Everytime you preach their words as if they were straight from the bible is basically you hoping on their dicks without backing it up with anything. You just said "tarzan said this" so, no... That is not a real argument and that is nothing more than you riding someone's dick. As for how well you play the game that doesn't mean you can't think for youself and understand the game. Do you think every coach for the League of Legends Professional teams are all challenger? No. Some of them are however, that postion is not required to be a high tier player. It requires you to know about the game not to be an expert at the mechanics. There is a difference that you currently don't understand. So, a "silver player" might actually have more insight and knowledge than a "diamond player". Mechanics doesn't mean you know everything about the game. It just means you are capable of playing at a high level. That is why I don't rely completely on "high-elo players" words. If you want I can go into much more detail about this and explain if you don't understand. Just let me know. Now I believe this post is almost at it's character limit so, I'll post the rest in a seperate post.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000000010000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T20:26:07.029+0000) > > Literally not what trolling is. You do not now, nor ever will you need your teams permission to do anything in this game, other than surrender. So i queue up as jungle, run into all my lanes take their cs and do anything i want on the map. Fight under enemy turrets die constantly. Why ban me? Im doing what i want. I queue up for top run mid and sit with the mid laner as we lose all our top turrets. Why not? I can do what i want.
> [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=00000001000000000001000000000000000000000000000000000016,timestamp=2019-06-24T06:10:49.952+0000) > > I am thinking for myself, problem is you're not planning on listening to me because i need credibility. Where do you want me to get credibility from? And theres more than just those 3. Tons of people are against nubrac's "off-meta strat" which Riot looked into and figured out he was just trolling famous streamers. So stop riding nubrac's dick and think for yourself man. I'm not riding anyone's dick. I'm simply speaking my mind and defending someone who clearly did nothing wrong. This entire time I have been coming with facts and proof. You just didn't want to read, ignored them, acted like I didn't say it, or cherry picked out of the entire post. "Tons of people are against nubrac's "off-meta strat"" - Yes and for every person that's against it there is another who is for it as you can see through the flood of forums where people have been defending Nubrac. Aside from that I have harped about facts and proof. You DIDN'T GIVE ANY AGAIN. Who doesn't like it? Why don't they like it? I can explain it all in one simple sentence. They don't like change thus they won't accept it. I've already gone over why having a double mid is better exponetinally than bot but, you just chose to ignore it. Again. "which Riot looked into a figured out he was just trolling famous streamers." Like I said I've been coming with facts yet you are still coming in with unfounded claims. Where is your PROOF? Stop making allegations without proof. Riot did not "figure out he was just trolling famous streamers." I would be very concerned if they figured this out because Nubrac has been doing teemo sup in mid lane for at least a month and not every one has involved a streamer. Not only that Riot themselves stated that he was punished for the SINGLE GAME he was in with NightBlue3 in the suspension notice. How do you explain this? All you can say is "lazy employee" yet, they had 3 days. THREE FULL DAYS to review the reports and concluded that a SINGLE GAME HE WAS "TROLLING." The only thing he did differently in this game than any other of the games he played Teemo support mid is play it with NightBlue3. If I'm wrong then PROVE IT. Everyone of your "facts" has been picked out of context and you act like it's all the evidence you need. Here is a pro-tip when arguing a point. If your "fact" can be de-bunked then it's not a fact. You haven't debunked a single one of my facts even in that stupid post where I said I won't respond to you. The reason I didn't respond to it was because I covered everyone of the so called "facts" in the previous posts and you just cherry picked the best parts of them to suite your argument. Clearly I am thinking for myself. I've been on this forum shutting you down and your "facts" and coming up with my own arguments for a couple of days now. While you've been doing nothing but taking the word of 3 players where 2 of them are not credible and the other one is biased as if the words were handed down by god himself. You ask how you can be more credible? How about you read what people type and instead of cherry picking a statement to suite your argument you actually rebuttle the statement I made in it's entirety. How about instead of hopping on 'high-elo players' dicks you do your own research and actually learn the truth. Thinking for yourself can also help with your credibility. Or probably the most important one which helps with ANYONES credibility. How about you come to an argument with actual facts and proof and stop acting like you have them. During this entire time the ONLY thing you have actually brought to this conversation that is 100% true is what your precious 'high-elo players' have said. However, when your evidence is corrupt then those 'facts' are no longer credible. Now I'll say it again NightBlue3 Fanboy. Stop riding high-elo players dicks and think for yourself. It's clear you do not have the mental capability to hold an actual argument. So, stop acting like you can.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000000010000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T20:26:07.029+0000) > > Literally not what trolling is. You do not now, nor ever will you need your teams permission to do anything in this game, other than surrender. So i queue up as jungle, run into all my lanes take their cs and do anything i want on the map. Fight under enemy turrets die constantly. Why ban me? Im doing what i want. I queue up for top run mid and sit with the mid laner as we lose all our top turrets. Why not? I can do what i want.
> [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=0000000100000000000100000000000000000000000000000000000b,timestamp=2019-06-19T18:26:16.253+0000) > > Yea but if i treat him as such the moderators will say im rank shaming. So instead i keep trying to reason with him but its like a ball hitting a wall the idea hits him and bounces right back like he didnt take any of it in. > > And honestly more or less you're right i should stop replying to him, because after sivir "keeping up in cs" for 6 mins as he says, he says she gave up. Completely disregarding the amount of effort sivir had to put in to even get 50 cs by 9 mins. The only reason it gets under my skin is because i can imagine myself being sivir and working my ass off to keep up in cs and barely getting by despite having teleport to get back to lane and farm more just for people to say "nah sivir was fine she wasnt behind" as if thats not because sivir is playing extremely well to keep up. God knows how many klepto procs sona got and how much gold she got from spell thiefs while taric is relic shield farming to give them both gold. Just sad to see how people cant understand whats actually going on here. > > And then you bring up a player like tarzan and it just goes over their heads like obviously tarzan doesnt know as much as a player in lower elo. He's just been the top jungler for 3 seasons in a row because his team carries him. Anyways you're right man i cant take anymore of this responding to nubrac fanbois. Im just gonna post the discussion between nubrac and NB where NB shut down every point from the "prepared" nubrac who was so pumped to get in a call with NB. By the way this is why you don't take the words of high elo players as if it were the word of god. Honestly, you brough up Doublelift who's playstyle requires a support to protect him at all times so he of course would complain about a support not being there to protect him. You brought up Jensen who DDOS'd his enemies if he couldn't beat them fairly when he wasn't a pro. And the one saving grace you had was Tarzan. This guy was WIN TRADING with video evidence. Only reliabe of the three is Doublelift however, his extremely reliant on a support makes his opinion beyond biased. Next time instead of acting like because they are a higher elo than another person and knows everything about the game. You should think for yourself and see that having a support mid is *In Theory* better than a support bot. You shouldn't rely on high elo players determining how you play. You should play the way you see best since everyone's minds react a different way. Sona Taric bot was created with this mindset and the dou who created it climbed the ranks faster than anyone else at the time. This is something you can do too if you weren't so narrow minded. Think for youself man. Stop being a fanboy and riding everyone's dicks.
: Proof that NB3 actually got Nubrac banned
Guys I've already discussed all of this in many of my previous posts. Just go back and read them.
: > [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kHtytAg7,comment-id=00040000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-21T10:58:22.199+0000) > > Read what I said. > It's not an ice cold company. It's a company saving their own reputation by eliminating the least common denominator. He'll likely lose his Riot representative special status, and have this 2 weeks, and that's it. In trade, Riot can say they did punish bad behavior ( 1 1/2 weeks later for the same exact game) > > I knew he'd get punished from the onset of this mess, because that's how companies deal with PR nightmares. But, NB3's abuse is not technically a 2 week abuse. It's a perma abuse given both their own ToS, and game industry standards. When a player goes out of their way to abuse a direct line as a representative, you're doing more than just bad behavior within a game. You're doing it as an affiliate of the game provider, and affecting their reputation. That is a cardinal sin in any gaming enterprise. > > In other words, even a 2 week ban here is light treatment, and deference of treatment for NB3 being a popular streamer. > > (I'm not excusing Nubrac. That's not my call. But I have been in NB3's position as a representative, and I do know how the behind the scenes work. Personal messengers and contacting gamemasters, regulators and all; I even had a 3 year relationship with an MMO Department superintendent where we talked down the entire decision making process about gacha boxes and why online companies get away with them and how they skirt gambling definitions. Fascinating connection) ...Do you even know how the partnership program works. Or do you seriously think it is Illuminati. Since you do not have a job at Riot it is not credible in the slightest. It lacks realism. Nightblue does not partake PR of Riot. It would be stupid and thats why he hasn't. He is only on a partnership of benefits. Nightblue or Riot either of them cares a shit about eachother.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kHtytAg7,comment-id=000400000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-21T11:20:36.460+0000) > > ...Do you even know how the partnership program works. Or do you seriously think it is Illuminati. Since you do not have a job at Riot it is not credible in the slightest. It lacks realism. > > Nightblue does not partake PR of Riot. It would be stupid and thats why he hasn't. He is only on a partnership of benefits. Nightblue or Riot either of them cares a shit about eachother. Explain the delay then. Explain how Riot wasn't even considering doing anything until the community starting complaining about it. I won't ask for evidence since there really isn't any other than the fact it took almost 2 whole week to go by for them to punish him. If it wasn't for the out-cry Riot wouldn't have done anything. So, yes Riot was protecting him up until the community started to complain. Then once we complained they decided they couldn't protect him but, instead give him a slap on the back of his hand.
: > [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kHtytAg7,comment-id=000400000001,timestamp=2019-06-21T10:28:06.358+0000) > > You do realize it took about 1 1/2 weeks longer for Riot to act on NB3 than on Nubrac? Both were 1 game copy/pastes, meaning direct community uproar or direct rioter consultation resulted in both. > > In Other words, this still doesn't address the fact that a rioter expedited a ban for him. > > The only reason he's getting his 2 weeks is essentially because of these forums, reddit, and people complaining en masse about the abuse NB3 put into the system. If people hadn't spoken up, NB3 would not even have gotten his 2 weeks. > > And, NB3's actions deserved more than 2 weeks, when compared to the punishment usually meted out vs people who are held to higher expectations in a game community as a representative. Normally, abuse of a system like this results in a perma in ANY game. Instead he's getting a slap on the wrist. Dude lol. Don't get your pants twisted in a bunch. Go to the player behavior section and see "I got banned from one game" thread that spawns daily. It isn't nothing special. Like seriously! Just go there lol All that matters is justice is served. There is no illuminati or mass collective of magic meme power. It is ice cold company service. Or what did you think they will get permabanned?
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kHtytAg7,comment-id=0004000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-21T10:32:39.224+0000) > > Dude lol. Don't get your pants twisted in a bunch. Go to the player behavior section and see "I got banned from one game" thread that spawns daily. It isn't nothing special. Like seriously! Just go there lol > > All that matters is justice is served. There is no illuminati or mass collective of magic meme power. It is ice cold company service. > > Or what did you think they will get permabanned? Do you really think if they hadn't had such a large community outcry NightBlue3 would still be punished? I highly doubt they had planned on NightBlue3 being punished. Instead they had just planned on punishing Nubrac and that being the end of it. "Because this has blown up in the League community we are looking over your case again and will get back to you soon." - This is what Riot said to Nubrac in their last response before NightBlue3 was suspended. It was because of the out-cry that Riot finally took action. As for one game. I understand you don't watch NightBlue3 however, there is a number of games where he as picked off-meta, flamed, and troll'd. Just look at his Youtube channel you'll see off meta everwhere. I can guarentee if you watch the vod's for the last 2 weeks you'll find plenty of what I just said. He deserves perma ban but, Riot just gave him a slap on the wrist and 2 week suspension because he still makes them money. Riot is an ice cold company unless you bring in money. Then they lean more toward your side.
: i want to see the entire chat log saying "bish" is not a bannable offense but this is NA server so
> [{quoted}](name=Luther King Jr V,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kHtytAg7,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-06-21T08:09:01.635+0000) > > i want to see the entire chat log > saying "bish" is not a bannable offense but this is NA server so He said much more than that. He was toxic, threatend a player, and basically harassed a player. These are all toxic behaviors. He said much more than "bish" Go watch the entire game on Nubracs twitch channel. There was 1 instance he was toxic, 2 where he threatend Nubrac and harassed him. All three are against the Summoners Code.
: welp here's hoping you nubracians now enjoy the even tighter chat rules you've placed on yourself as a result of nb3 getting banned for flaming by not flaming.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kHtytAg7,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-06-21T08:07:28.194+0000) > > welp here's hoping you nubracians now enjoy the even tighter chat rules you've placed on yourself as a result of nb3 getting banned for flaming by not flaming. "your trash" - toxic "you want 2 week vacation bish" - threat/harrassment "i call my riot friend now" - threat "enjoy 2 week vaction" - threat These are clearly toxic behavior. That mixed in with the fact he afk'd with the intention on losing. He deserved a month ban with all the things he did in that game. If you take into account Nubrac being suspended for not actually breaking the rules by playing off-meta. Then NightBlue3 even worse. If you add up all the other games he's played off-meta, threatend people, and was toxic in general. NightBlue3 should be getting the Tyler1 treatment and perma ban. So, NB3 fanboy. Stop talking because he got off lightly.
Sykuno2 (EUNE)
: Why is everyone fucking ignoring the fact that nightblue does this shit everyday playing troll picks, not asking their team you fucking shits defending him should be just removed from existence. Your points are fucking useless and your facts are fucking lies.
> [{quoted}](name=Sykuno2,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=001e,timestamp=2019-06-21T05:29:17.437+0000) > > Why is everyone fucking ignoring the fact that nightblue does this shit everyday playing troll picks, not asking their team you fucking shits defending him should be just removed from existence. Your points are fucking useless and your facts are fucking lies. I agree. This is the issue with Riot. They just want to go with who ever gives them more money. If Nubrac was a larger streamer they wouldn't have done anything. Because they don't punish these large streamers everyone watching them think that it's ok. It's ok to flame someone and threaten them. It's ok to run it down mid. It's ok to afk. Even after the outcry from the community Riot has yet to do anything to NightBlue3.
: The enemy mid laner is 1v2 just like his adc was 1v2. You are so close minded I love it. :)
> [{quoted}](name=ibrahimllari,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=00000009,timestamp=2019-06-21T00:23:47.180+0000) > > The enemy mid laner is 1v2 just like his adc was 1v2. You are so close minded I love it. :) They refuse to accept anything other than what their favorite 'high elo player' tells them to think.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000000010000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T20:26:07.029+0000) > > Literally not what trolling is. You do not now, nor ever will you need your teams permission to do anything in this game, other than surrender. So i queue up as jungle, run into all my lanes take their cs and do anything i want on the map. Fight under enemy turrets die constantly. Why ban me? Im doing what i want. I queue up for top run mid and sit with the mid laner as we lose all our top turrets. Why not? I can do what i want.
> [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=00000001000000000001000000000000000000000000000000000013,timestamp=2019-06-20T15:19:32.150+0000) > > I literally posted the definition of greifing and how nubrac fit into the "trolling" part of it. This is going no where because even if i went over it again with you you're gonna say i cant prove he was doing it deliberately (despite the fact that forcing a strategy on your teammates is doing it on purpose). > > "A griefer or bad faith player is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game (trolling), using aspects of the game in unintended ways." Exactly you can't prove that he entered the game with the intention on irrating or harassing the other players. He was simply playing a different way and you don't like it. You don't get to accuse someone of assualting you if they accidently bumped into you. You have to have prove that it was with malicious intent. Same applies here. If you can't prove he was doing it with the sole purpose of ruining the game for others. You can't punish him. The fact that he was only punished for 1 game proves his new strategy is not 'trolling'. This was just a response from Riot because one of their big money bags was crying about it. As for him forcing it onto his teammates that is Riot's issue. RIOT are the one's who constantly want people to try new strategies. They did not give any specification as to how, when, or what those strategies are. They also tell you to IGNORE YOUR TEAMMATES and focus on YOUR OWN GAMEPLAY. If you have an issue with this. Go talk to Riot about their rules and what they support.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000000010000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T20:26:07.029+0000) > > Literally not what trolling is. You do not now, nor ever will you need your teams permission to do anything in this game, other than surrender. So i queue up as jungle, run into all my lanes take their cs and do anything i want on the map. Fight under enemy turrets die constantly. Why ban me? Im doing what i want. I queue up for top run mid and sit with the mid laner as we lose all our top turrets. Why not? I can do what i want.
> [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=00000001000000000001000000000000000000000000000000000011,timestamp=2019-06-20T06:06:18.909+0000) > > https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse > "Can I troll, flame, threaten or harass people while using the Riot Services? (No. If you do, you might get banned.)" > > as for your afk comment key phrase "too many times". > "Logging out or exiting the Game during live game-play. Riot Games’ automated Leaverbuster® system tracks this data over time and issues a temporary ban when a user is determine to have left mid-game TOO MANY TIMES." > > Edit: I dont know why you'd want a specific rule to know that trolling teammates is reportable and a bannable offense its common sense, but i guess people these days need a rule for everything. As for "cherry picking your paragraph". How else do you expect me to attack the support of your argument? You pull out the support and see "is it valid on its own to support this claim? No? Cant use that support then. Which you do multiple times despite your support not backing up your claim. You haven't given the rule that he broke in this single game that he didn't break in the other games he played Teemo support. "Can I troll, flame, threaten, or harass people while using Riot Services?" This is something NightBlue3 has broken however, Nubrac did not. When Riot refers to 'Trolling' they are talking about an individual trying to ruin the game for another person on purpose. You have no proof he was 'trolling'. You cannot prove that he did Teemo support and go mid lane as a form a trolling unless you can prove he did it on purpose to tilt his team. By all accounts and all sides he was trying a new strategy. Not only that but, he has played Teemo support in mid lane in other games. However, those games were not seen as 'trolling'. I won't respond to anything else you type because all you do it cherry pick. Give me the rule. Edit: By the way a streamer going afk like that in the middle of a game. Is grounds for a ban. Since Riot actually views that as 'trolling'. You are correct when it's "too many times" however, if you go afk with the intention on losing the game. That is when it is considered 'trolling'. Your arguement is invalid.
robocska (EUNE)
: This game is like cooking so you and 4 random people competit for win everyone has a role what he need to do you don't need to follow the recipt but if you want to win with effective way you should and one of you teammate say guys i have "off meta" cooking and pull out his pants and takes a shit in to the food you and your team say ok we don't continue the cooking and one of the "bigger"chief call his friend from the Riot food to ban this guy. And when the guy banned he said YES we can't win if they don't cook i tried my best i want to win 48% of the people like when a make food with shit so its not my fault (most of the player want to enjoy the game and when you want play mid and a little cancer soak you XP and made your mid or top lane unenjoyable even if you win thats not what game mean to be)
> [{quoted}](name=robocska,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=001b,timestamp=2019-06-20T04:37:28.352+0000) > > This game is like cooking so you and 4 random people competit for win everyone has a role what he need to do you don't need to follow the recipt but if you want to win with effective way you should and one of you teammate say guys i have "off meta" cooking and pull out his pants and takes a shit in to the food you and your team say ok we don't continue the cooking and one of the "bigger"chief call his friend from the Riot food to ban this guy. And when the guy banned he said YES we can't win if they don't cook i tried my best i want to win 48% of the people like when a make food with shit so its not my fault > (most of the player want to enjoy the game and when you want play mid and a little cancer soak you XP and made your mid or top lane unenjoyable even if you win thats not what game mean to be) What rule did he break? Give me the specific rule not what you feel like is right. I don't care about your feelings.
: Proof that NB3 actually got Nubrac banned
All you guys are doing is crying about how he didn't communicate. There is no rule about communication. You guys just don't want to accept someone elses strategy that might be viable. The strategy is viable. You guys just don't want it to be viable because your favorite "high elo player" says it's bad. With 2 people in the mid lane it makes mid priority more important. If the enemy does not send their support to the mid lane their mid laner will be forced out of lane and crushed under the pressure. This gives much better pressure across the map. Having the two players from mid be able to roam either bot or top increases the gank pressure on both of those lanes forcing them to play safer. If they kept their support bot lane that would mean they will naturally push into the tower. For those who don't understand simple English like Light Burner mid lane pushed into enemy tower = double roam potentional. Use this to go bottom with jg and it's a 3 man gank making it a 4v2 unless their jg counters then it's a 4v3. Still in your favor. Same goes with top lane. If you gank top with those 2 mid laners it means 3v1. If both jgs enter 4v2. You can also adjust accordingly by keeping the mid laner there and have the support roam to either top or bottom with the jg. Still in your favor. If your mid lane has priority you can move accordingly to either Dragon or Rift. This is essentially the same as bot lane except the difference is it puts more pressure on the mid lane to win. Regardless what elo or rank I am you can't deny that this strategy is viable. So, stop your griping about how it's a shit strategy. If you are calling it a shit strategy you are either stupid or not welcome to change.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000000010000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T20:26:07.029+0000) > > Literally not what trolling is. You do not now, nor ever will you need your teams permission to do anything in this game, other than surrender. So i queue up as jungle, run into all my lanes take their cs and do anything i want on the map. Fight under enemy turrets die constantly. Why ban me? Im doing what i want. I queue up for top run mid and sit with the mid laner as we lose all our top turrets. Why not? I can do what i want.
> [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=0000000100000000000100000000000000000000000000000000000e,timestamp=2019-06-19T21:40:54.672+0000) > > Dont compare Sona taric to this shit. If you listened to what tarzan said you'd understand the point. Theres no logic to the strategy and regardless im not going to argue the merits of the strategy. Im concluding on this, NO ONE CAN RUN A STRATEGY THAT INVOLVES 1 OR MORE MEMBERS ON THEIR TEAM BESIDES THEMSELVES TO PLAY DIFFERENTLY WITHOUT THE TEAM'S CONSENT. Nubrac went against that hence why he's now justfully banned. End of story. Arguing all this shit about them being behind or not im not gonna keep doing because even if they were 0 to 50 you wouldve blamed everyone else except the guy doing the "op strat". So fuck it dude im done, he got his ban im happy with Riot's decision i only wish they made that 14 day ban into a perma ban. I'm not saying it's an "op strat" I'm saying per Riot's Rules that they have published Online and enforce Nubrac did not do a single thing wrong. You have yet to tell me the rule he has broken. NightBlue3, Sivir, and Irelia did break the rules. I've already pointed out 4 rules they broke in that game alone. So, answer this fucking question. DON'T CHERRY PICK OUT OF MY FUCKING PARAGRAPH. What rule did Nubrac break?
: > [{quoted}](name=Delaine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000200050000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T17:05:45.584+0000) > > Ok respect you did come with some facts this time. I'm impressed. Unlike that Light Burner guy. Now let's talk. I do know what the purpose is. You just didn't come with facts and proof but, everytime I asked for it you gave nothing. > > Where is your proof they have been watching him for 2 weeks? According to the other high elo players "he has been trolling our games for a while now" This does not say anything specific. Unless a Riot Employee has come out and stated it however, they are not allowed to discuss this with anyone except that player so. If a Riot Employee were to release this information he would be fired. With that being said I'm curious where is the proof. Screenshot? Conversation? Tweet? Anything? > > As for his other accounts. What if Twitch is his job? You see not all games last 1 hour. I believe the average is 25-35 minutes. There was a player who played on average 16 hours a day. Sometimes he would stream other times he wouldn't. It wouldn't be unheard of if someone were to play 10-12 hours a day. Some people enjoy the game and play it a lot because of that. With that being said. You don't have actual proof other than a hypothesis. > > You see before I started playing for fun. I was Silver 1. I maintained Silver 1 up until I gave up on caring about climbing. I am not blaming others. I'm blaming Riot for their stupidity with their enforcment of the rules they created. When someone flames me I shouldn't get punished. That is why I stopped caring about ranked. I don't think im worht platinum. I know I'm silver. I play silver games and I stay in silver. Doesn't change the fact I'm still support Nubrac since he has done nothing wrong. So, I don't think the more shiny shit should talk smack about the pile of shit next to it. > > It's endorsed as a team game however, how do you explain every Riot Employee suggesting the same thing. "Mute your team and focus on your own game play." This is exact wording as to how they respond when you talk to them. Test it out if you don't believe me. > > You see the issue is NightBlue3 is a popular twitch streamer. Since this incident has happened. I have had 2 out of 3 games where someone has gone afk with the intention on losing the game. This is what's happening. People see him do. Since he isn't banned they can do it. I'm defending Nubrac because he did do nothing wrong. NightBlue3 on the other hand. Has done a lot of things wrong. I have already posted about what he's done wrong so, I won't repost since I'm getting tired of typing the same shit out. > > Now onto that rule from the Summoners Code. Yes however, if you read carefully you will notice it is specifically pointing out communication. "If two players on a team start fighting, good communication and teamwork become nearly impossible." This might be cherry picking out of the full text however, this is what the entire statement boils down to. Good communication. I have talked to Riot Employees a number of times. In every single one of those times I have talked to them they have always said "Mute your team and focus on your own game play." Clearly going against the Summoners Code. Which implies Riot doesn't know what they want. So, due to the miscommunication on Riot's end Nubrac has done nothing wrong. Riot endorses him not talking to his team. On the other hand both the Summoners Code and Riot Employee statements state. NightBlue3 is 100% in the wrong. With what has said, threatened, and done. > > No at no point did I say you had feelings for me. I said come to this board with facts not your feelings. Again you came with your feelings but, you did throw in a few facts so. I will give you a point on that. Sorry if this isn't informative but, I have to go to physcal therapy and had to rush this response. *You know the thing I have to do in order to be able to do thing normally again.* You don't know what's going on in a persons life. So, don't act like you are better based off of your rank, how many games you play, and whether you have a job or not. Not mad or anything. Just figured I would let you know that ignorance is not an excuse to be rude. (^.^) > > EDIT: When I'm back and if you have responded I'll go more in depth. Ok then. A much more favorable answer. I do not think Nubrac sustains himself purely as a streamer because the number of his followers are 6,500. (Which could have inflated over the week.) And also the only reason Riot spilled the beans is that Reddit made a massive fiasco out of it. If it was not the case, the amount of reports he stacked (They are multiple detailed testimonies on how being in a game with Nubrac is from players) he would have not been noticed at all. Sure Nightblue escalated it, but so did many people. And since Nubrac did not get INSTANTLY banned, it seems he did get reported constantly and got the punishment. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/na/Nubrac See? he actually gets matched with Nightblue 2 games after that alibeit playing Leona. But after those games he binge-played Teemo support again and got banned off. If Nightblue was the instant factor RIot will not wait 3 whole days for it. The major reason why this playstyle is a issue is NOT because he is playing off meta. It is because he kicks his teammates off the game as a sacrifice for his newfound strategy disregarding they are people. That is the ethical issue considering article 4 of the summoners code. And about your tier. Well I apologize for being insensitive but I'll be honest with you. If you do not care about climbing and qued in ranked you deserve all the criticism you get even if it IS flaming. That is my stance. Although I play from Japan and have 190 ping I do play the best at what I could offer and strive to improve. https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Zeppelins%20circus https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=crimson+zeppelin Above is my main account. As you can see I have a really bad winrate on Zoe since she is indeed really hard to play. I reached my criteria goal to gold 4 for now, I decided to play on my secondary account to train hard and dedicate. And see? I managed to get 45% winrate to 54% winrate. That is a 9% winrate difference. If you stop trying to climb, you will stay there and you will have bad quality matches because your MMR matches you with people of the same variety. You must stop that...And well, muting your team? I never do that even if the environment becomes hostile because information is key to winning no matter how bad the quality it is. It is still quantity in my book. If my teammate flames me for my build, I DO ask him what they want. If my teammates says my positions crap, I ask them what did they see. Also people afk because they want to. Not because a streamer told them to. Nobody cares about Nightblue. Seriously. He is hardly has any influence towards the community or its attitude. Although I must say Tyler 1 and Hashinshin has that sort a magnetism to a degree. Because they are actually respectful to their content (They do not make garbage content for the sake of smurfing) although they are questionable in their past actions. And back to the topic. Nubrac did not get banned because of "poor communication" he got punished by other players because he actually was a psychopath who kicks a stranger and claimed he did it "for the greater good". I do not have anything against you aside from maybe perhaps anger due to your frustrating jibes you made against me that has no basis. Because I absolutely hate Nightblue to the core and I take it as a insult. What did you expect? **You said I'm a fanboy of some sensationalist scrawny gaming nerd that provided the community nothing but garbage for whole 4 years**. And you want me to be "factual" on THAT? And talking about Nubrac and emotions. He compares himself to Martin Luther King while playing a childrens video game. He is simply that delusional. And that alone makes him deserve what he got. https://twitter.com/ForestWithin/status/1139776529875922944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1139776529875922944%7Ctwgr%5E393039363b74776565745f6d65646961&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Flolninja.net%2F2019%2F06%2F16%2Fpost-13296%2F
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=0002000500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T17:59:30.333+0000) > > Ok then. A much more favorable answer. > I do not think Nubrac sustains himself purely as a streamer because the number of his followers are 6,500. (Which could have inflated over the week.) > And also the only reason Riot spilled the beans is that Reddit made a massive fiasco out of it. If it was not the case, the amount of reports he stacked (They are multiple detailed testimonies on how being in a game with Nubrac is from players) he would have not been noticed at all. Sure Nightblue escalated it, but so did many people. And since Nubrac did not get INSTANTLY banned, it seems he did get reported constantly and got the punishment. > > https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/na/Nubrac > > See? he actually gets matched with Nightblue 2 games after that alibeit playing Leona. But after those games he binge-played Teemo support again and got banned off. If Nightblue was the instant factor RIot will not wait 3 whole days for it. > > The major reason why this playstyle is a issue is NOT because he is playing off meta. It is because he kicks his teammates off the game as a sacrifice for his newfound strategy disregarding they are people. That is the ethical issue considering article 4 of the summoners code. > > And about your tier. Well I apologize for being insensitive but I'll be honest with you. If you do not care about climbing and qued in ranked you deserve all the criticism you get even if it IS flaming. That is my stance. Although I play from Japan and have 190 ping I do play the best at what I could offer and strive to improve. > > https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Zeppelins%20circus > > https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=crimson+zeppelin > > Above is my main account. As you can see I have a really bad winrate on Zoe since she is indeed really hard to play. I reached my criteria goal to gold 4 for now, I decided to play on my secondary account to train hard and dedicate. And see? I managed to get 45% winrate to 54% winrate. That is a 9% winrate difference. If you stop trying to climb, you will stay there and you will have bad quality matches because your MMR matches you with people of the same variety. You must stop that...And well, muting your team? I never do that even if the environment becomes hostile because information is key to winning no matter how bad the quality it is. It is still quantity in my book. If my teammate flames me for my build, I DO ask him what they want. If my teammates says my positions crap, I ask them what did they see. > > > Also people afk because they want to. Not because a streamer told them to. Nobody cares about Nightblue. Seriously. He is hardly has any influence towards the community or its attitude. Although I must say Tyler 1 and Hashinshin has that sort a magnetism to a degree. Because they are actually respectful to their content (They do not make garbage content for the sake of smurfing) although they are questionable in their past actions. > > And back to the topic. Nubrac did not get banned because of "poor communication" he got punished by other players because he actually was a psychopath who kicks a stranger and claimed he did it "for the greater good". > > I do not have anything against you aside from maybe perhaps anger due to your frustrating jibes you made against me that has no basis. Because I absolutely hate Nightblue to the core and I take it as a insult. What did you expect? **You said I'm a fanboy of some sensationalist scrawny gaming nerd that provided the community nothing but garbage for whole 4 years**. And you want me to be "factual" on THAT? > > And talking about Nubrac and emotions. > He compares himself to Martin Luther King while playing a childrens video game. He is simply that delusional. And that alone makes him deserve what he got. > > https://twitter.com/ForestWithin/status/1139776529875922944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1139776529875922944%7Ctwgr%5E393039363b74776565745f6d65646961&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Flolninja.net%2F2019%2F06%2F16%2Fpost-13296%2F So, let me clear something. I am neither a fan of NightBlue3 nor am I a fan of Nubrac. However, my opinion is based off of what I see. The issue here is the fact Riot had 3 days to decide what to do with Nubrac. You say after that game he played Leona and then spammed Teemo. If Riot actually had 3 days to go over all the reports and judge based off that they would have put it in the suspension notice that he got. Instead there was only 1 game and that was NightBlue3's game. You can't claim lazyness or failure to do their job. They had 3 days. I was chat restricted one time for a game 2 months prior and a game the day before. Just because it's not immediate doesn't mean it's not the cause. Also, I won't deny people reporting him however, I will continue to speak out against it because they say he only broke the rules ine one game. Now let's move on to my tier since for some reason it's part of this conversation lol. No I won't stop playing ranked. This is my sublte protest against Riot and their inability to maintain the rules and punishments that they created. The reason why the League Community is so toxic is because Riot allows people such as NightBlue3, Tyler1 *old*, and PronstarZilean act and say what they want with no consequenses. After a while of this toxicity gorwing it turns into a pure shit show and just gets more toxic as the game goes on. Granted two of the three were banned however, they are back now. There is a reason why I mute people. Being called an ape, iron, trash, buy a new account I can deal with this. However, Riot refuses to do anything about more serious issues. I've been told to kill myself at least 7 times in the past year. Yet they weren't punished. Instead I was punished for telling them "get banned". So, regardless what you think I will continue playing ranked for fun and mute everyone rather than take the off chance that I am mentally unstable that day and someone says that. All it takes is one person to say that and a mentally unstable person will do it. Yet Riot doesn't care. This is why I do what I want. This is why I don't climb. Riot created a toxic enviroment in order to get money and won't do anything about it. I enjoy playing the game so, I won't stop. I don't enjoy people telling others to end their life over a game. So, if you have any more comments on this I'll be more than glad to talk to you about it however, you won't change the way I play. The afkers. Yes maybe in your "gold" games you don't have this but... In those 2 games of the players who afk'd. One specifically said, "i wont get banned nb3 didnt" Then said "i really hope i can make you lose this game" This is what my teammates told me in the post-game lobby. So, yes his actions does affect other players that are not in his game. Back to the topic. He did get banned for that game as I've already said. Riot has yet to say to either him nor anyone else that he was banned for other games. They might have said that he was on their radar however, they did not say anything specific other than that game. If they did I am more than welcome to check it out however, based off what I have found and I understand this was the only game he was punished for. As for the Fanboy comment. I appolgize but, you see... I have been posting on this forum for a bit and I get people like Light Burner who just can't seem to read a sentence without taking those words out of context. So, I've been getting agitated by him and people like him who are just spouting nonsense. As for why I'm defending Nubrac it's because I genuinly do believe he did not break any rules that Riot themselves created. Again I'll ask that you point out specifically what rule he broke. I don't see a single one that he did break but, NightBlue3 on ther other hand. He has broken a lot of rules.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000000010000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T20:26:07.029+0000) > > Literally not what trolling is. You do not now, nor ever will you need your teams permission to do anything in this game, other than surrender. So i queue up as jungle, run into all my lanes take their cs and do anything i want on the map. Fight under enemy turrets die constantly. Why ban me? Im doing what i want. I queue up for top run mid and sit with the mid laner as we lose all our top turrets. Why not? I can do what i want.
> [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=00000001000000000001000000000000000000000000000000000008,timestamp=2019-06-19T17:39:12.771+0000) > > 1."The problem with the ban is how Nb and riot handled it. Flamers are different again because they can come here and post their chat logs but nobody cares if a toxic kid gets banned, in this situation the toxic player didnt get banned and nubrac did" > > Idk how to show you facts when i tell you it was 2 to 9 9 mins into the game sivir is behind 20 cs and more considering both sona and taric have support items so they're rolling in gold, but ill start SHOWING proof since you dont wanna look up what im actually telling you and just wanna click and read. > > Irelia behind 1 level 9 mins into the game. > https://youtu.be/aIy8JUxaW7I?t=277 > > Sivir behind 16 cs > https://youtu.be/aIy8JUxaW7I?t=293 > > Before you do the stupid argument that i know you're going to make and say "but irelia is up 30 cs" > 1. You have kleptomancy sona with spell thiefs generating even more gold > 2. As i said mid laners need levels ADcs need gold Irelia is behind in levels and Sivir is behind in gold BECAUSE OF THIS STRAT that no one on teemo's team agreed to and he forced them into this. > 3. Hecarim is 4-1-2 Khazix is 0-2-1 > 4. Again hes screwed the game for his ADC, his Mid laner, and his Jungler and he doesnt even give the slightest shit about it. > Do you still need more proof? Oh and its 2 to 9 at 9:30 like i said multiple times. > > "Sivir was actually pretty even at the 6:54 second mark. " > Wheres your proof? Idk what "pretty even" means to you so show proof. > > "She gave up and made poor decisions leading up to here grand total of 11 cs in 3 minutes." > Again no proof just your judgment. How do i know you're doing right by her. Since you always say you've provided proof lets see the proof. > > "Irelia was actually ahead at the 6:54 mark but, chose to give up her lead and go bot." > Proof again pls. You seem to missing alot of this proof thing that you said you provide. > > "Yet you claim it is. Go ahead I'll wait on YOUR proof this time." > And Im still waiting on your proof. > > "None of these are Nubracs fault." > This is your subjective opinion doesnt mean shit without support to the claim and wait for it. the proof you said you're showing. > > "I'm saying the game he was SUSPENDED FOR he did nothing wrong. " > Going mid against your mid laners will as a support and making a SOLO lane into a duo lane despite him begging you to leave his lane is nothing wrong? Thats called greifing your teammate and theres defintely something wrong with that. > > "Also, you are going to take the word of Doublelift An adc who is literally nothing without a support and revolves his entire game style around him being protected " > Oddly enough you'd say this, because 1. im pretty sure doublelift would take a dump on you if you 1v1'd him, and im sure he'd take a dump on nubrac too, but the irony in this is that you're saying a professional adc player is useless without his support but sivir is supposed to be able to fight on equal terms without a support due to nubrac's strategy. > > Furthermore, lets leave jensen and doublelift out of it. Tarzan, top jungler for 3 seasons in a row said nubrac's strategy is dogshit. He doesnt know anything either? Only you and nubrac and his supporters know so much about the game over all the high elo players. Good argument man. > > "Do some research on who you're backing. Because I do." > Top NA jungler or Nubrac a hardstuck diamond player who took advantage of the mmr abuse with the system at the beginning of this season to get into masters (said by nubrac himself) and then couldnt even maintain it. Pray what you preach buddy :) > > "Now you said my claim was dumb however, I have proof backing me up." > Im still waiting for that proof btw. All you keep saying is you have proof but you never actually post any of it. The least you can do is post the entire game as proof if you're too lazy to actually go through and find your proof. > > "YOU LITERALLY JUST CRIED THE WHOLE TIME AND PICKED APART MY STATEMENT AND PUSHED IT TO FIT HOWEVER YOU WANTED." > Idk know if you know but to attack someone's claim you have to provide that their support is weak or false. Thats all i did. I can't fit your words however i wanted if i did, I'm sorry for misinterpretting your words and feel free to correct what i said that was false information. If you can find any that is. > > " I'm dumping your shit on your head. Because you have yet to prove a single thing." > Again i have yet to prove a single thing but i havent seen any proof from you. Again saying you've proved something when you havent posted a shred of evidence. Hmm hypocrite much? When you learn to read and not pull thing out of context I will gladly read and respond to your message. You literally took everything out of context. My proof I typed it out. I told you the whole game of Nubrac's pespective is on his twitch channel. Go and see it for yourself. I got all the proof from there and even gave you time in the 15 minute clip. I'm not going to respond to this because you literally just picked the worst things that I already covered. So, Re-read my post. Then watch the clip. I've provided you all the proof you need. The "proof" you gave me is stuff I have already explained in the last post. As for that dumb adc comment. There is a reason why I said DOUBLELIFT. His playstyle is different from other adcs. He requires the protection of his support. He requires his support to play a protecting champ. Not all pro-players play the same. It's why not every adc can get along with a support. BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PLAY STYLES AND REQUIRE DIFFERENT PLAYS. Also no fucking shit he would smash me in a 1v1. That isn't the point though. You are acting like CNN and just going off and saying whatever you want. I've rebuttled your previous post. You can do the same with mine. When you learn how to read and understand that when a sentence contains words. All the words in that sentence go together. When a sentence is in a paragraph. All the sentences in that paragraph revolve around the same topic. Don't cherry pick you twat. As for Tarzan. Every "high elo" player talks shit on every new thing until they try it. Even Sona Taric. When it was first introduced people were talking shit about how these players are "trolling". Now all they can say is it's broken. Now I'm not going to respond to you anymore because all you do is cherry pick specific words. When you learn how to actually respond come back to me.
: > [{quoted}](name=Delaine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=0002000500000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T03:56:44.016+0000) > > Alright Mr. I'm not a fanboy. I'm asking you what the purpose is. Literally you are the one crying about him not testing in normals. You said that people haven't done their research. I'm asking you what your research is. Where is your proof of him not testing it in normals? YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. THUS THIS MAKES EVERY THING YOU SAID COMPLETELY WORTHLESS because you act like you're smart but, the truth is your just responding off your Emotions not facts. If you had facts you would have already posted them. > > Yeah being in silver sucks but, you would know about it as well since you are gold 4. You really have no room to talk since, I'm not playing for a rank and you are. But, for some reason we are pretty close in rank. I could be gold 4 but, frankly I've given up caring about my rank since I'm always getting punished by Riot over stupid shit like someone telling me to kill myself. So, now I just play for fun rather than trying to climb as you can see I've played whatever role I felt like playing that day rather than my main support role. What's your excuse bad teammates? > > We are talking about facts. Not your feelings. Not what you 'want'. Facts... The fact is NightBlue3, Sivir, and Irelia should be banned. The fact is Nubrac did not break any rules. YOU ARE AGREEING WITH ME SINCE YOU ARE CLEARLY NOT GIVING ME ANY RULE THAT HE BROKE. > > And I'm going to say this again even though I said it in a seperate post that you just don't want to read. We aren't going to listen to "What if" because if we did we get a variety of scenarios that DID NOT HAPPEN. "What if instead of tilting and giving up they continued playing and actually tried?" That '48%' winrate could easily be higher. So, I'll say it again... Give me facts. Not your god damn emotions, feelings, or "What if" scenarios. We are focused on what has happened. > > Now you say that last part was irrelevant? How so? Those are the rules you play by. They determine how you should act. They are not irrelevant. You just ignored it because it didn't fit your narrative. Again there is no rule nor any obligation to any player under the Summoners Code. That one must: "Play support in Bottom Lane." "Protect the AD Carry." "Tell teammates about possible Strategy." "Listen to teammates." "Follow teammates instructions." > There are rules however, against: "Leaving game." "Intetionally ruining the game for others." "GIving up." "Threating someone." "Toxicity." > > You have yet to give me a single fact that is true about this situation. You have just complained about your 'feelings'. News Flash I don't care about your feelings. I'm worried about the facts. Something you clearly don't understand. > > Now I will be a man of my word. That response was stupid, dumb, and idiotic. Try again with facts or your response will just be called dumb again. As I said, Do not even enter a argument if you do not know what the purpose is. Nubrac has been on the radar since two weeks prior to the incident and he has not been playing normal games for a month. Considering Nubrac plays 8 matches a day on average and hypothesizing he has a job, he does not have a second account he plays regularly. Unless he is a cyborg or a ninja. No we are not even close in ranked by population distribution at all. Saying you are close tells me the lack of knowledge you have in the game. I literally played only half your games because I'm employed. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution "frankly I've given up caring about my rank since I'm always getting punished by Riot over stupid shit like someone telling me to kill myself. So, now I just play for fun rather than trying to climb as you can see I've played whatever role I felt like playing that day rather than my main support role. What's your excuse bad teammates?" So your excuse of supporting this Teemo and being stuck in silver for 3 years straight is because you are also one of him. You must think you are "worth platinum" right while being stuck with over 400 games. I never used my teammates as a excuse unless they actively sabotage. And "facts". I never said Nightblue should not be punished for his actions and since he committed the cardinal crime for polluting my youtube feed. Seriously, that is how much I hate this "content creator". But I had this game where a player notorious for playing "support singed" playing in my game this year making the midlaner/jungler/adc miserable so I can have sympathy to him. I have no remorse to people who actively kick other people out of the game for their enjoyment especially when this game is endorsed as a team game. And also, since you take the summoners code as guidelines, Nubrac made a clear violation of code number 4. "Enjoy Yourself, but not at Anyone Else's Expense "Short is the joy that guilty pleasure brings." -Euripides Making games is our business, so it should come as no surprise that we want you to have a lot of fun. We want you to get excited, to have tension-filled moments, and to celebrate your success. This doesn't mean that we're okay with you ruining anybody else's day. Remember, taking a jab at your friend in the middle of the game is a lot different than making a glib remark at a complete stranger. Someone who is unfamiliar with what you consider playful may take your comment as an attack and react unfavorably. If two players on a team start fighting, good communication and teamwork become nearly impossible. Once communication breaks down, the likelihood of victory is drastically diminished. It isn't uncommon for simple, good natured teasing to spiral out of control into a loss, so do yourself a favor and don't run the risk of sabotaging your own success." I hope this is clear enough. So you will reply less with emptiness like Nightblues stupid content with capital letters. Also stop being a Ben Shapiro wannabe. i do not have feelings for you which is plain revolting and unhygienic.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=00020005000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T05:39:45.271+0000) > > As I said, Do not even enter a argument if you do not know what the purpose is. > > Nubrac has been on the radar since two weeks prior to the incident and he has not been playing normal games for a month. Considering Nubrac plays 8 matches a day on average and hypothesizing he has a job, he does not have a second account he plays regularly. Unless he is a cyborg or a ninja. > > No we are not even close in ranked by population distribution at all. Saying you are close tells me the lack of knowledge you have in the game. I literally played only half your games because I'm employed. > https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution > > "frankly I've given up caring about my rank since I'm always getting punished by Riot over stupid shit like someone telling me to kill myself. So, now I just play for fun rather than trying to climb as you can see I've played whatever role I felt like playing that day rather than my main support role. What's your excuse bad teammates?" > > So your excuse of supporting this Teemo and being stuck in silver for 3 years straight is because you are also one of him. You must think you are "worth platinum" right while being stuck with over 400 games. I never used my teammates as a excuse unless they actively sabotage. > > And "facts". I never said Nightblue should not be punished for his actions and since he committed the cardinal crime for polluting my youtube feed. Seriously, that is how much I hate this "content creator". But I had this game where a player notorious for playing "support singed" playing in my game this year making the midlaner/jungler/adc miserable so I can have sympathy to him. I have no remorse to people who actively kick other people out of the game for their enjoyment especially when this game is endorsed as a team game. > > And also, since you take the summoners code as guidelines, Nubrac made a clear violation of code number 4. > > "Enjoy Yourself, but not at Anyone Else's Expense > "Short is the joy that guilty pleasure brings." -Euripides > > Making games is our business, so it should come as no surprise that we want you to have a lot of fun. We want you to get excited, to have tension-filled moments, and to celebrate your success. This doesn't mean that we're okay with you ruining anybody else's day. > > Remember, taking a jab at your friend in the middle of the game is a lot different than making a glib remark at a complete stranger. Someone who is unfamiliar with what you consider playful may take your comment as an attack and react unfavorably. If two players on a team start fighting, good communication and teamwork become nearly impossible. Once communication breaks down, the likelihood of victory is drastically diminished. It isn't uncommon for simple, good natured teasing to spiral out of control into a loss, so do yourself a favor and don't run the risk of sabotaging your own success." > > I hope this is clear enough. So you will reply less with emptiness like Nightblues stupid content with capital letters. > > Also stop being a Ben Shapiro wannabe. i do not have feelings for you which is plain revolting and unhygienic. Ok respect you did come with some facts this time. I'm impressed. Unlike that Light Burner guy. Now let's talk. I do know what the purpose is. You just didn't come with facts and proof but, everytime I asked for it you gave nothing. Where is your proof they have been watching him for 2 weeks? According to the other high elo players "he has been trolling our games for a while now" This does not say anything specific. Unless a Riot Employee has come out and stated it however, they are not allowed to discuss this with anyone except that player so. If a Riot Employee were to release this information he would be fired. With that being said I'm curious where is the proof. Screenshot? Conversation? Tweet? Anything? As for his other accounts. What if Twitch is his job? You see not all games last 1 hour. I believe the average is 25-35 minutes. There was a player who played on average 16 hours a day. Sometimes he would stream other times he wouldn't. It wouldn't be unheard of if someone were to play 10-12 hours a day. Some people enjoy the game and play it a lot because of that. With that being said. You don't have actual proof other than a hypothesis. You see before I started playing for fun. I was Silver 1. I maintained Silver 1 up until I gave up on caring about climbing. I am not blaming others. I'm blaming Riot for their stupidity with their enforcment of the rules they created. When someone flames me I shouldn't get punished. That is why I stopped caring about ranked. I don't think im worht platinum. I know I'm silver. I play silver games and I stay in silver. Doesn't change the fact I'm still support Nubrac since he has done nothing wrong. So, I don't think the more shiny shit should talk smack about the pile of shit next to it. It's endorsed as a team game however, how do you explain every Riot Employee suggesting the same thing. "Mute your team and focus on your own game play." This is exact wording as to how they respond when you talk to them. Test it out if you don't believe me. You see the issue is NightBlue3 is a popular twitch streamer. Since this incident has happened. I have had 2 out of 3 games where someone has gone afk with the intention on losing the game. This is what's happening. People see him do. Since he isn't banned they can do it. I'm defending Nubrac because he did do nothing wrong. NightBlue3 on the other hand. Has done a lot of things wrong. I have already posted about what he's done wrong so, I won't repost since I'm getting tired of typing the same shit out. Now onto that rule from the Summoners Code. Yes however, if you read carefully you will notice it is specifically pointing out communication. "If two players on a team start fighting, good communication and teamwork become nearly impossible." This might be cherry picking out of the full text however, this is what the entire statement boils down to. Good communication. I have talked to Riot Employees a number of times. In every single one of those times I have talked to them they have always said "Mute your team and focus on your own game play." Clearly going against the Summoners Code. Which implies Riot doesn't know what they want. So, due to the miscommunication on Riot's end Nubrac has done nothing wrong. Riot endorses him not talking to his team. On the other hand both the Summoners Code and Riot Employee statements state. NightBlue3 is 100% in the wrong. With what has said, threatened, and done. No at no point did I say you had feelings for me. I said come to this board with facts not your feelings. Again you came with your feelings but, you did throw in a few facts so. I will give you a point on that. Sorry if this isn't informative but, I have to go to physcal therapy and had to rush this response. *You know the thing I have to do in order to be able to do thing normally again.* You don't know what's going on in a persons life. So, don't act like you are better based off of your rank, how many games you play, and whether you have a job or not. Not mad or anything. Just figured I would let you know that ignorance is not an excuse to be rude. (^.^) EDIT: When I'm back and if you have responded I'll go more in depth.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000000010000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T20:26:07.029+0000) > > Literally not what trolling is. You do not now, nor ever will you need your teams permission to do anything in this game, other than surrender. So i queue up as jungle, run into all my lanes take their cs and do anything i want on the map. Fight under enemy turrets die constantly. Why ban me? Im doing what i want. I queue up for top run mid and sit with the mid laner as we lose all our top turrets. Why not? I can do what i want.
> [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=00000001000000000001000000000000000000000000000000000003,timestamp=2019-06-19T04:15:38.635+0000) > > I discussing with people like you to start, because you'd rather throw mud at the person than attack their points, but lets go into what you said. > > 1. "So, if I'm playing to feed their team why ban me" > Where did i say this? Quote when i said this or anything near this? You say thats basically what im saying, but all it shows is you didnt understand what im saying, doesnt show anything else besides your own lack of intellect here. > > 2. "They were doing perfectly fine until NightBlue3 pretty much gave up." > 2-9 by 9:30 isnt "perfectly fine" so idk where you get that from. Just gonna toss that comment aside. > > 3."I'm talking about him on stream saying "I can't play this game anymore. " > Apparently now we cant even say irl what we want anymore because now you wanna judge people for that too??? If its against twitch's TOS sure but saying i cant play this game anymore? really? > > 4."Going in on a 2v3 then giving up" > Clip it id like to see exactly what 2v3 you're referring to, but you probably wont do that. > > 5."Nubrac did nothing wrong except get his mid laner ahead." > Lets see things a mid laner needs. > -Levels > Things an adc needs > -Gold > > What nubrac's strat does > -Shares exp with the mid laner so they're behind in LEVELS > -Zones adc from minions which costs them GOLD. > > not to mention you lose dragon control because you're giving up bot lane. > but you know he did nothing wrong > > > 6.The fact Sivir cried all game and didn't actually try is on Sivir not Nubrac. > So its sivir's fault for not winning or going even in a 1v2 situation??? Damn you must be those players that complain when your split pushes 1v3s and you lose 4v2 mid and blame the split pusher for not being there. I actually cant believe you blamed the sivir on this. > > 7.Irelia not using that lead Nubrac gave her is her fault not Nubrac. > Are you telling me Irelia intentionally threw the game? Or maybe was it because her whole team was behind and she was underleveled that she couldnt do anything against the stronger enemy team?? > > 8."All three of them afking in their base is THEIR fault not nubracs." > This is pretty accruate technically but when someone is constantly playing how they with no regards to his 4 teammate then yea let him 1v5. Or is that not what nubrac wanted? Did he want to play a team game and force the entire team to play to his strategy and disregard anything they say? Or does his opinion just matter so much more that hes above the other 4 teammates? This is such a dumb argument to make. If i trolled your game and took every lane's cs as the jungler and said "im doing a new strat" team's would either start raging or afk or open (which is similar to afking). So i cant see how 1 guy ruining the game for 4 people "isnt nubrac's fault". > > 9."You need to learn what trolling and a new strategy is. As for "not knowing any better and actually knowing what you're doing" clearly you don't know what you are talking about." > Again throws claims with no support nice man. Play the game however you want and call it a new strat. I run down mid lane under enemy turrets and hit them at level 1. Oh i died 20 times? its the strat man. Look how much dmg i did to the turret. Your team has to accept your strat or even know about it before you go pulling stunts like that. > > 10. "Next time you post on here have some proof to back it up and stop acting like your feelings are what matter or I'll just state whatever you post is dumb just like I did with this one." > Its funny you say that because you gave 0 shred of proof on anything you said, all you've said is im wrong because im wrong (nice argument btw) and nubrac has nothing to do with his team being behind because theres no way not having a support bot would put the adc behind (smart statement). Apparently now you understand the game more than tarzan and almost all high elo players because you know theyre all thankful he got banned and said he's been trolling high elo for awhile. > > Sorry to say buddy your post was pretty dumb and i just broke it down for you statement by statement with all the stupdity you wrote into it. > > Edit: Oh btw if you feel im still wrong on these points, I'd happily accept any proof you'd have to show or any support to any claims you make just cut the bullshit out if you're not gonna support your claims dont hold your shit over my head like im the one not supporting my claims. 1. I did what you should have done. I came with facts. You have yet to show any proof. As I've proven before. Sivir was not behind. Irelia was not behind. Sivir was actually pretty even at the 6:54 second mark. She gave up and made poor decisions leading up to here grand total of 11 cs in 3 minutes. Irelia was actually ahead at the 6:54 mark but, chose to give up her lead and go bot. None of these are Nubracs fault. Yet you claim it is. Go ahead I'll wait on YOUR proof this time. Now I'm not saying he didn't troll other high elo games. I'm saying the game he was SUSPENDED FOR he did nothing wrong. Also, you are going to take the word of Doublelift *An adc who is literally nothing without a support and revolves his entire game style around him being protected* and Jensen *A mid laner who literally DDOS'd enemy mid laners if he couldn't beat them fairly*. Do some research on who you're backing. Because I do. Now you said my claim was dumb however, I have proof backing me up. YOU LITERALLY JUST CRIED THE WHOLE TIME AND PICKED APART MY STATEMENT AND PUSHED IT TO FIT HOWEVER YOU WANTED. I'm not holding my shit over your head. I'm dumping your shit on your head. Because you have yet to prove a single thing.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000000010000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T20:26:07.029+0000) > > Literally not what trolling is. You do not now, nor ever will you need your teams permission to do anything in this game, other than surrender. So i queue up as jungle, run into all my lanes take their cs and do anything i want on the map. Fight under enemy turrets die constantly. Why ban me? Im doing what i want. I queue up for top run mid and sit with the mid laner as we lose all our top turrets. Why not? I can do what i want.
> [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=00000001000000000001000000000000000000000000000000000003,timestamp=2019-06-19T04:15:38.635+0000) > > I discussing with people like you to start, because you'd rather throw mud at the person than attack their points, but lets go into what you said. > > 1. "So, if I'm playing to feed their team why ban me" > Where did i say this? Quote when i said this or anything near this? You say thats basically what im saying, but all it shows is you didnt understand what im saying, doesnt show anything else besides your own lack of intellect here. > > 2. "They were doing perfectly fine until NightBlue3 pretty much gave up." > 2-9 by 9:30 isnt "perfectly fine" so idk where you get that from. Just gonna toss that comment aside. > > 3."I'm talking about him on stream saying "I can't play this game anymore. " > Apparently now we cant even say irl what we want anymore because now you wanna judge people for that too??? If its against twitch's TOS sure but saying i cant play this game anymore? really? > > 4."Going in on a 2v3 then giving up" > Clip it id like to see exactly what 2v3 you're referring to, but you probably wont do that. > > 5."Nubrac did nothing wrong except get his mid laner ahead." > Lets see things a mid laner needs. > -Levels > Things an adc needs > -Gold > > What nubrac's strat does > -Shares exp with the mid laner so they're behind in LEVELS > -Zones adc from minions which costs them GOLD. > > not to mention you lose dragon control because you're giving up bot lane. > but you know he did nothing wrong > > > 6.The fact Sivir cried all game and didn't actually try is on Sivir not Nubrac. > So its sivir's fault for not winning or going even in a 1v2 situation??? Damn you must be those players that complain when your split pushes 1v3s and you lose 4v2 mid and blame the split pusher for not being there. I actually cant believe you blamed the sivir on this. > > 7.Irelia not using that lead Nubrac gave her is her fault not Nubrac. > Are you telling me Irelia intentionally threw the game? Or maybe was it because her whole team was behind and she was underleveled that she couldnt do anything against the stronger enemy team?? > > 8."All three of them afking in their base is THEIR fault not nubracs." > This is pretty accruate technically but when someone is constantly playing how they with no regards to his 4 teammate then yea let him 1v5. Or is that not what nubrac wanted? Did he want to play a team game and force the entire team to play to his strategy and disregard anything they say? Or does his opinion just matter so much more that hes above the other 4 teammates? This is such a dumb argument to make. If i trolled your game and took every lane's cs as the jungler and said "im doing a new strat" team's would either start raging or afk or open (which is similar to afking). So i cant see how 1 guy ruining the game for 4 people "isnt nubrac's fault". > > 9."You need to learn what trolling and a new strategy is. As for "not knowing any better and actually knowing what you're doing" clearly you don't know what you are talking about." > Again throws claims with no support nice man. Play the game however you want and call it a new strat. I run down mid lane under enemy turrets and hit them at level 1. Oh i died 20 times? its the strat man. Look how much dmg i did to the turret. Your team has to accept your strat or even know about it before you go pulling stunts like that. > > 10. "Next time you post on here have some proof to back it up and stop acting like your feelings are what matter or I'll just state whatever you post is dumb just like I did with this one." > Its funny you say that because you gave 0 shred of proof on anything you said, all you've said is im wrong because im wrong (nice argument btw) and nubrac has nothing to do with his team being behind because theres no way not having a support bot would put the adc behind (smart statement). Apparently now you understand the game more than tarzan and almost all high elo players because you know theyre all thankful he got banned and said he's been trolling high elo for awhile. > > Sorry to say buddy your post was pretty dumb and i just broke it down for you statement by statement with all the stupdity you wrote into it. > > Edit: Oh btw if you feel im still wrong on these points, I'd happily accept any proof you'd have to show or any support to any claims you make just cut the bullshit out if you're not gonna support your claims dont hold your shit over my head like im the one not supporting my claims. Alright, lets go point by points. Since I actually have proof. 1. "So i queue up as jungle, run into all my lanes take their cs and do anything i want on the map. Fight under enemy turrets die constantly. Why ban me? Im doing what i want." - Dying all the time under turret is the equivilant of feeding. If you don't understand this then you clearly don't ever play this game. 2. They were doing perfectly fine. Irelia First Blood up by 25 CS at 6:50 of the game. My fault it was a 2v2 with Irelia at 2% health while Ignite was on her. Clearly Irelia died then Neeko joined they killed Hecraim as soon as Twisted Fate joined the fight. This was essentially a 2v3 since Irelia couldn't do anything with 2% health. Any reasonably thinking person would have just left Irelia to die since there was no way to save her. Instead with his tilted mindset he jumped in and ended up dying because they can't fight a 2v3.... This caused it to go from 1/0 to 2/4. When it could have been easily been avoided and be a 1/2. Just saying. I've got facts you've got nothing. 3. You are chopping up my statement to suit your arguement. He didn't give up at 11 minutes. He gave up at 3 minutes and decided to flame rather than focus on his game play. He stopped TRYING at 3 minutes. When he started saying "I can't play this game anymore" that's when he clearly stopped caring about trying to win and just worried about flaming Nubrac. Watch the vod on NightBlue3's perspective. You can clearly tell he stopped actually trying to win and instead worried about complaining and flaming. 4. I'm not cliping I'm too lazy. Go to FamouNubrac's stream and watch the 15 minute clip. He has the full game unedited right there. That "2v3" - Sorry I wasn't specific enough was at 6:54. Oh and I just watched the part where it became 2/8. At 8:40 it was a 2v3 because Irelia died bot. So, it was Sivir and NightBlue3 against Sona, Twisted Fate, and Hecraim. Thinking he can be a hero he decides to 1v3 *I know it's not a 2v3* those 3 and jumps in. He died without doing anything. This leaving the Sivir alone to fight Taric, Twisted Fate, Sona, and Hecraim. Instead of running back to base. Sivir deicdes to run under turret. With all 4 of them still there. This is not Nubracs fault but, clearly poor judgement on both Sivir and NightBlue3. 5. So, at 6:00 minutes Sivir was doing perfectly fine. Even if Teemo went bot it's a Sona Taric. The biggest lane bully comp in bot lane. Sivir was down 6 CS to the Taric and I won't count the CS Sona has since Sona is the "support" at this point with the support item that has a negative impact on it when you do CS. As for levels. Irelia was the same level along with Nubrac and Twisted Fate. Up until 6:43 and even then when Twisted Fate leveled up Nubrac was at 70%. Assuming Irelia is at the same there isn't much of a difference in the level gap. That small difference would be made up by the Teemo killing or zoning the Twisted Fate off creeps. You don't lose dragon control because you have middle lane priority. Notice how at 6:54 a dragon hasn't been taken by the enemy team because the Irelia and Teemo in mid can easily roam to dragon. Even at 9:51 the enemy team still did not take dragon. Despite the fact NightBlue3 wasn't even trying. This would also apply to Rift Herald if the game continued. This is just a completely invalid point. Where is your proof? You don't have any. 6. Oh no I blame Sivir for giving up. Clearly at the 6:00 minute marker Sivir was very close to being even. Then a poor decision to go under turret rather than back to base caused a death. From there Sivir stopped trying to CS. My claim is only validated by the fact Sivir got 11 CS in 3 minutes. Again this is not on Nubrac. Sivir not being able to CS properly and giving up on trying is on Sivir. 7. Irelia is at fault. Now I won't blame Irelia for dying mid lane. Since a 2 man gank would be rough on anyone. After that 2 man gank the enemy got 4 kills and 1 death from it. However, none of those kills went over to Twisted Fate. This still had Irelia in the lead with Gold against him. Even at 9:36. Three minutes after the 4 deaths Irelia still had a 20 CS however, Irelia chose to leave MID LANE *The lane she has the advantage of* and go bot just to die. 8. Ok so valid point however, still stupid. It wasn't a 1v5 it was a 2v5. Neeko still tried. Notice how I'm not saying punish Neeko? Because regardless whether Neeko was tilted or not she continued to try in the game. Now for your example. If you were trying a new strat and weren't listening to us. I wouldn't just afk. I would probably tilt but, I would still try to win. You see I am not NightBlue3. If I afk'd in base like he did I would be banned. Thus I would continue to play the game. Until either we FF or the game came to a conclusion. So, yes all three of them are at fault. If this were any normal person they would have been banned on the spot no questions asked and if they were to repeal it. Riot would say "play the game to it's full conclusion" 9. Smart one you literally just proved #1 for me again. You clearly don't undestand what you are talking about. There is a difference between intentionally feeding and a new strategy. Did you see Nubrac run it down? No. Did you hear him say "New strategy feed to win"? No... You are an idiot for thinking that.
: > [{quoted}](name=Delaine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=00020005000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T00:11:59.001+0000) > > What are you even trying to prove? I don't have to provide any proof because I'm not the one making allegations. You are the one crying about "he should try his strategy in normals" I'm asking how do you know he didn't? The burdon of proof is on you because YOU MADE THE ALLEGATION not me. > > Even then the fact that you ignored the second part of that post proves you are wrong and are just complaining just to complain. There is no rule stating "Testing a new strategy in normals before going into ranked." If I'm wrong prove it. Find the rule that states I'm wrong. I can't prove my point because THERE IS NO RULE. > > Next time read my post. Then re-read it. After you're done with that type out your response. Then re-read that. Once you've done all that make sure you don't have the "no you" format and then you can get back to me. > > EDIT: I just re-read what you were nagging about when I first responded to you. YOU WERE LITERALLY SAYING SOMEONE DIDN'T DO THEIR RESEARCH! Dude this just proves you are a NightBlue3 fanboy just following what he says like a braindead follower. Based off your last response and the response before that I'll make your response now. "no you have to provide the information" There you go. Do not even enter a argument if you do not know what the purpose is. Do you think I lead a low quality life watching a scrawny nerd playing video games? I literally want him blocked off my youtube feed by all the spam he creates. I cannot recall how many time I had to manually remove it. But that is besides the point. I'm ignoring the part of your argument because it is irrelevant and garbage near as the content Nightblue creates. Just as your conclusion that I am a "fanboy". I guess 3 years and 450 games 48% winrate this year in bronze and silver has sullied your intelligence. Nobody can suffer that much and remain sane I guess. What I do not want however, is a 48% support Teemo botching my winning chance which is superior and a environment/plan which is strategically sound and communicated. And to top it all it is a ultimatum. You know what? Lets say the midlaner abandoned the lane and left Teemo solo and says "My strategy is better" then by your logic the team also has to accept that no matter bullshit the idea may be.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000200050000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T00:57:20.577+0000) > > Do not even enter a argument if you do not know what the purpose is. > Do you think I lead a low quality life watching a scrawny nerd playing video games? I literally want him blocked off my youtube feed by all the spam he creates. I cannot recall how many time I had to manually remove it. > But that is besides the point. I'm ignoring the part of your argument because it is irrelevant and garbage near as the content Nightblue creates. Just as your conclusion that I am a "fanboy". I guess 3 years and 450 games 48% winrate this year in bronze and silver has sullied your intelligence. Nobody can suffer that much and remain sane I guess. > > What I do not want however, is a 48% support Teemo botching my winning chance which is superior and a environment/plan which is strategically sound and communicated. And to top it all it is a ultimatum. > > You know what? Lets say the midlaner abandoned the lane and left Teemo solo and says "My strategy is better" then by your logic the team also has to accept that no matter bullshit the idea may be. Alright Mr. I'm not a fanboy. I'm asking you what the purpose is. Literally you are the one crying about him not testing in normals. You said that people haven't done their research. I'm asking you what your research is. Where is your proof of him not testing it in normals? YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. THUS THIS MAKES EVERY THING YOU SAID COMPLETELY WORTHLESS because you act like you're smart but, the truth is your just responding off your Emotions not facts. If you had facts you would have already posted them. Yeah being in silver sucks but, you would know about it as well since you are gold 4. You really have no room to talk since, I'm not playing for a rank and you are. But, for some reason we are pretty close in rank. I could be gold 4 but, frankly I've given up caring about my rank since I'm always getting punished by Riot over stupid shit like someone telling me to kill myself. So, now I just play for fun rather than trying to climb as you can see I've played whatever role I felt like playing that day rather than my main support role. What's your excuse bad teammates? We are talking about facts. Not your feelings. Not what you 'want'. Facts... The fact is NightBlue3, Sivir, and Irelia should be banned. The fact is Nubrac did not break any rules. YOU ARE AGREEING WITH ME SINCE YOU ARE CLEARLY NOT GIVING ME ANY RULE THAT HE BROKE. And I'm going to say this again even though I said it in a seperate post that you just don't want to read. We aren't going to listen to "What if" because if we did we get a variety of scenarios that DID NOT HAPPEN. "What if instead of tilting and giving up they continued playing and actually tried?" That '48%' winrate could easily be higher. So, I'll say it again... Give me facts. Not your god damn emotions, feelings, or "What if" scenarios. We are focused on what has happened. Now you say that last part was irrelevant? How so? Those are the rules you play by. They determine how you should act. They are not irrelevant. You just ignored it because it didn't fit your narrative. Again there is no rule nor any obligation to any player under the Summoners Code. That one must: "Play support in Bottom Lane." "Protect the AD Carry." "Tell teammates about possible Strategy." "Listen to teammates." "Follow teammates instructions." There are rules however, against: "Leaving game." "Intetionally ruining the game for others." "GIving up." "Threating someone." "Toxicity." You have yet to give me a single fact that is true about this situation. You have just complained about your 'feelings'. News Flash I don't care about your feelings. I'm worried about the facts. Something you clearly don't understand. Now I will be a man of my word. That response was stupid, dumb, and idiotic. Try again with facts or your response will just be called dumb again.
: Meh. I get where you're coming from, but it's a team game. That's like saying in a game of soccer the goal keeper should be allowed to run all the way down the field of he feels like it. That's trolling, regardless of how fun it may be for the goal keeper. If that player wants to run up and down the field, they have no business playing keeper. Same "rules" should apply here. If you want to play ad soraka mid in a custom game with yourself or friends, go for it. Lol. That has no business happening in a standard game, though.
> [{quoted}](name=Flawless Fetus,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=sWXnItMW,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-06-18T23:20:19.965+0000) > > Meh. I get where you're coming from, but it's a team game. That's like saying in a game of soccer the goal keeper should be allowed to run all the way down the field of he feels like it. That's trolling, regardless of how fun it may be for the goal keeper. If that player wants to run up and down the field, they have no business playing keeper. Same "rules" should apply here. If you want to play ad soraka mid in a custom game with yourself or friends, go for it. Lol. That has no business happening in a standard game, though. Dude even in soccer Goalies run off the goal.... You have no idea what you are talking about.... There are plenty of reasons for a Goalie to sprint down the field. *One minute left and down by 1 goal* *Everyone is at the enemy goal and the ball flies to half field* Even then there is nothing stating what Nubrac did was wrong.... Prove you god damn points before you preach. Just like they said this is a meme thread stop bringing serious conversation to it but, I've got you. I'll salvage your stupidity by assuming you're trolling.
: > [{quoted}](name=Delaine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000200050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T18:32:10.537+0000) > > Tell me how many accounts does Nubrac have? Does he stream everytime he plays League? I can promise you that you have no idea what either of those answers are. Simple fact is you don't know if he tests things out on normals on a seperate account off stream or not. So, why are you acting like you do? > > Aside from that you are not required to test out a strategy in normals before ranked. It would be nice however, ITS NOT REQUIRED. If you think it is show me the rule. If you can't then it's clear you're argument is just wrong. If you don't have the proof yourself don't ask someone else for it in a argument.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=0002000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T23:46:23.020+0000) > > If you don't have the proof yourself don't ask someone else for it in a argument. What are you even trying to prove? I don't have to provide any proof because I'm not the one making allegations. You are the one crying about "he should try his strategy in normals" I'm asking how do you know he didn't? The burdon of proof is on you because YOU MADE THE ALLEGATION not me. Even then the fact that you ignored the second part of that post proves you are wrong and are just complaining just to complain. There is no rule stating "Testing a new strategy in normals before going into ranked." If I'm wrong prove it. Find the rule that states I'm wrong. I can't prove my point because THERE IS NO RULE. Next time read my post. Then re-read it. After you're done with that type out your response. Then re-read that. Once you've done all that make sure you don't have the "no you" format and then you can get back to me. EDIT: I just re-read what you were nagging about when I first responded to you. YOU WERE LITERALLY SAYING SOMEONE DIDN'T DO THEIR RESEARCH! Dude this just proves you are a NightBlue3 fanboy just following what he says like a braindead follower. Based off your last response and the response before that I'll make your response now. "no you have to provide the information" There you go.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000000010000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T20:26:07.029+0000) > > Literally not what trolling is. You do not now, nor ever will you need your teams permission to do anything in this game, other than surrender. So i queue up as jungle, run into all my lanes take their cs and do anything i want on the map. Fight under enemy turrets die constantly. Why ban me? Im doing what i want. I queue up for top run mid and sit with the mid laner as we lose all our top turrets. Why not? I can do what i want.
> [{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=00000001000000000001000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-18T20:34:08.031+0000) > > Nah not knowing any better and actually knowing what you're doing and still doing it is 2 different things. Low elo players are dumb and try what think is better despite not knowing how to play it. He knew he what he was doing and did it anyways. Dude all you're posts on this board are actually stupid. "So, if I'm playing to feed their team why ban me" that's basically what you are saying. Learn the difference between a troll and a new strategy. Look at the game that they played. They were doing perfectly fine until NightBlue3 pretty much gave up. I'm not talking about afking. I'm talking about him on stream saying "I can't play this game anymore. I hate this game and all the players who play it. Why are you trolling dude." That's when he stopped caring. Going in on a 2v3 then giving up. Nubrac did nothing wrong except get his mid laner ahead. The fact Sivir cried all game and didn't actually try is on Sivir not Nubrac. Irelia not using that lead Nubrac gave her is her fault not Nubrac. All three of them afking in their base is THEIR fault not nubracs. You need to learn what trolling and a new strategy is. As for "not knowing any better and actually knowing what you're doing" clearly you don't know what you are talking about. Next time you post on here have some proof to back it up and stop acting like your feelings are what matter or I'll just state whatever you post is dumb just like I did with this one.
: > [{quoted}](name=BlackTop,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=0002000500000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T18:02:26.146+0000) > > I don't think you quite see what I'm claiming here... I legit just said he has tried it in norms and in ranked, so I don't know why you are saying "why doesn't this person try it in normals." He clearly did, you still claiming things without even looking at his match history... he has not played normals for a month. The issue that caught the attention of RIoters was claimed to be 2 weeks ago. It is you who are not doing even the basic of research. You are a liar.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=00020005000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T18:22:07.915+0000) > > he has not played normals for a month. The issue that caught the attention of RIoters was claimed to be 2 weeks ago. > It is you who are not doing even the basic of research. You are a liar. Tell me how many accounts does Nubrac have? Does he stream everytime he plays League? I can promise you that you have no idea what either of those answers are. Simple fact is you don't know if he tests things out on normals on a seperate account off stream or not. So, why are you acting like you do? Aside from that you are not required to test out a strategy in normals before ranked. It would be nice however, ITS NOT REQUIRED. If you think it is show me the rule. If you can't then it's clear you're argument is just wrong.
: > [{quoted}](name=Delaine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000000010001000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T23:31:53.841+0000) > > > Next time come back to this board with facts not your opinion. Interesting because you conveniently left out the fact that he didn't communicate his plan with his team, only plugs his twitch channel in champ select. I don't get the point in trying so hard to defend one side when they're both wrong in different ways
> [{quoted}](name=Giggle Physics,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=0000000100010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T17:43:05.404+0000) > > Interesting because you conveniently left out the fact that he didn't communicate his plan with his team, only plugs his twitch channel in champ select. > > I don't get the point in trying so hard to defend one side when they're both wrong in different ways I did not "conveniently" leave out any information. At no point is he required to tell his team anything. In fact according to Riot he doesn't even have to listen or talk to his team. There are only 2 things Riot as said they want a player to do in game. First thing is if someone is being toxic mute and report them. The second thing is to focus on your own game play and try to win the game. These are the two responses you will get from Riot Support. If you don't believe me open a ticket with riot about someone trolling your games. They will say those 2 sentences. Literally nothing in Riot's Rules or statements says he has the obligation to "tell his teammates" anything. Plane and simple.
TL Exelio (EUW)
: You won't get banned for playing off meta. Riot already said that. The issue here was that players begged him to stop and he didn't stop. That's what made him get suspended (not banned,yet). If the off meta strat , start influencing other players negatively, Riot takes measures into it , as that game becomes toxic. He was well suspended for not stopping when people were asking him to. They afk'ed also because he didn't stop. Nevertheless, the strategy is viable and can be applied , as long as the players don't get mad at it. And in my opinion , that is all about mentality set and community's point of view. Can't make everyone think like myself or like anyone else. It is what it is , just unfortunate that the majority ,percieves this specific way of playing the game, where they can't even enjoy themselves as meta gameplay. Off meta is fun and enjoyable. And a game should be all about that. Cheers!
> [{quoted}](name=TL Exelio,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=0016,timestamp=2019-06-18T11:37:36.095+0000) > > You won't get banned for playing off meta. Riot already said that. > > The issue here was that players begged him to stop and he didn't stop. That's what made him get suspended (not banned,yet). > > If the off meta strat , start influencing other players negatively, Riot takes measures into it , as that game becomes toxic. > > He was well suspended for not stopping when people were asking him to. They afk'ed also because he didn't stop. > > Nevertheless, the strategy is viable and can be applied , as long as the players don't get mad at it. > > And in my opinion , that is all about mentality set and community's point of view. Can't make everyone think like myself or like anyone else. > > It is what it is , just unfortunate that the majority ,percieves this specific way of playing the game, where they can't even enjoy themselves as meta gameplay. > > Off meta is fun and enjoyable. And a game should be all about that. > > Cheers! So basically if I don't like the way someone plays I can get them banned? No... Just because one person has the mind of a 12 year old does not mean others get banned for it. I believe the toxicity came when NightBlue3 called Nubrac "trash" and threatend to get his account suspended. Then his chat came over to Nubracs stream and started to threaten him. And there was no begging. Irelia said "leave or i report you" that is not begging that's a threat. In dumber terms that is toxicity. So, the one's being toxic were Sivir, Irelia, and NightBlue3. Yes this about mentality I agree however, it's not about the communities point of view. It's about Riot's Rules. You can't justify Nubrac's suspension when he did nothing wrong but, those 3 players are still playing today with no punishment. Not only that but, there is nothing in the rules stating anything along the lines of "If your teammate tilts you. Then you can afk." They still had the chance to win however, because those 3 acted like children and gave up the game was pretty much decided. So let me ask you this. Why didn't Riot give them the answer they always do whenever you open a ticket about someone? "Just mute him and continue focusing on your game play and report him after the game." They did not continue playing nor did they mute him. They didn't have to mute him because HE WASN'T THE TOXIC ONE. Try again.
: Nubrac suspension was a good riddance. He can play as many teemo support mid as he wants, as long as his teammates are okay with it. In the controversial NB3 game, Nubrac didn't even notify his teammates of his strategy in the lobby. During the game, the midlaner was begging him to get out of his lane and stop leeching XP's. His excuse is "look at my winrate," which is no justification for potentially ruining the fun and experience of the game. When I try out new strategies, I do it on my smurf on a flex queue with my friends. With the game logic, I do agree that Nightblue should also get suspended for toxicity and griefing. However, I doubt he orchestrated the suspension of Nubrac. The rioter does mention how the summoner name sounds familiar, so he was probably too busy or lazy to include other mid teemo support games his teammates reported. I know this from my experience, where I got suspended from toxicity/inting based on only 2 games when it should've really been 9-10 :D Now reformed though... {{summoner:13}}
> [{quoted}](name=Playing F0RTNITE,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2019-06-18T04:16:05.219+0000) > > Nubrac suspension was a good riddance. He can play as many teemo support mid as he wants, as long as his teammates are okay with it. In the controversial NB3 game, Nubrac didn't even notify his teammates of his strategy in the lobby. During the game, the midlaner was begging him to get out of his lane and stop leeching XP's. His excuse is "look at my winrate," which is no justification for potentially ruining the fun and experience of the game. When I try out new strategies, I do it on my smurf on a flex queue with my friends. > With the game logic, I do agree that Nightblue should also get suspended for toxicity and griefing. However, I doubt he orchestrated the suspension of Nubrac. The rioter does mention how the summoner name sounds familiar, so he was probably too busy or lazy to include other mid teemo support games his teammates reported. I know this from my experience, where I got suspended from toxicity/inting based on only 2 games when it should've really been 9-10 :D Now reformed though... {{summoner:13}} Nubrac is under no obligation to tell his teammates about a new strategy and when Irelia told him to leave lane he had no obligation to do that either. Much like how if the top lane tells the jg don't gank him anymore the jg can contue with it. If not is that a bannable offense? No because the jg is still trying to win. Unless they can prove that he was intentionally trying to lose the game it is not bannable. Same thing applies here. If I play a split pushing top lane and I do nothing but split push every game. That is not trolling. That is a strategy with it's own pro's and con's. His teammates gave up plane and simple. You see it's the Riot Employee's JOB to look into this. Just because he thinks "the name sounds familiar" is not ground for punishment. Proof is needed and the only proof they gave is the game where Sivir, Irelia, and NightBlue3 should have been suspended. Also, if Nubrac was really doing something wrong then he would have been suspended a while ago. That did not happen. This is clearly Riot taking NightBlue3's words at face value and punishing the wrong people. They won't do anything other than listen to NightBlue3 because he brings them money.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T14:15:09.262+0000) > > Sucks to be the ADC, maybe they should learn to play. Teemo went mid, forced TF to be unable to do literally anything, killed his passive gold gen, and sivir is an easy ADC to 1v2 and hold lane with. > > Teemo made a SMART decision that PAID OFF. The ADC was too busy bitching and whining and crying to realize that. No you are actually wrong because if he played any other adc then it would have sucked. He doesnt say anything about the tactics to anyone whatsoever. Maybe in some team comps you can win but if you play againt someone who can farm easy mid and bot is feeling or giving ip then its griefing.
> [{quoted}](name=Boppis Da Chonky,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-18T12:46:49.553+0000) > > No you are actually wrong because if he played any other adc then it would have sucked. He doesnt say anything about the tactics to anyone whatsoever. Maybe in some team comps you can win but if you play againt someone who can farm easy mid and bot is feeling or giving ip then its griefing. Ok? Now what's your points? He was Sivir.... He could easily handle it. Has it ever cross your mind Nubrac does this strategy when he knows the adc is playing a champ capable of laning on their own? I will not accept a "what if" as an arguement or we end up with this. What if instead of tilting and giving up at 3 minutes NightBlue3 actually tried? What if instead of 3 afk at 11 minutes all of them played it out until the end? What if NightBlue3 and the Neeko hadn't acted like bronze and rushed into a 2v3? There is no point asking "what if" rather you should focus on what has actually happened. Teemo helped Irelia get First Blood got Irelia 30 CS ahead at one point and instead of using that lead Irelia tilted and gave up. Instead of NightBlue3 and Sivir actually trying to win they just gave up and blamed teemo for everything. I said this before and I'll say it again. Stop coming to this board with your 'feelings' and come with facts.
: Also Nubrac has been reported by multiple streamers. Guys he wasn't banned for being offmeta, he was banned because he refuses to communicate and tell people he's going to be doing this and he refuses to go anywhere else. He's not roaming support, stop calling him a roaming support, he's not "leaving lane to roam" he's picking a complete different lane than bot lane and sitting there, he doesn't help bot lane whatsoever, there's no roaming going on. People keep referencing his conversation with riot support but aren't acknowledging the final bit in the response let me all caps it THAT BY ITSELF WOULDN'T LEAD TO A BAN BUT USUALLY THERE IS MORE CONTEXT, you see that part? Rioter straight up told him that the situation he gave lacked context, here's the situation he gave: go teemo support buy a support item and going to lane HE THINKS is best for the team. So yeah, that's not bannable, but the bit above? was completely left out of the conversation, he doesn't acknowledge that he refuses to communicate (reportable) and he refuses to go anywhere else no matter how much people tell him it's annoying them and stuff, why? Because he instantly mutes chat, because he knows full well that what he is doing is tilting to other people and he just doesn't care, same reason why he doesn't tell anyone he's going to do this in lobby, he knows people would dodge, but would rather force them to play with him and not even give them the courtesy of being able to pick appropriate champions and shit to prepare for the situation. When he doesn't mute chat he just tells them its off meta and look at his win rate, completely ignoring the fact he's tilting his team. If he told everyone beforehand he was going to go mid or top lane and never go bot in lobby and the game went through, no one would be able to report him, because he communicated. But by not communicating and refusing to back off when team tells you to back off because you are annoying them and its tilting you are admitting that you do not care about your team and are intentionally annoying them and tilting them. He should have been banned long ago, people have been reporting him for awhile, your pic shows that the rioter, if this pic is even real (anyone can make 2 discord accounts with any name they want and any profile pic they want and have a conversation with themselves or a friend and screen cap it), KNOWS Nubrac by name well enough to know he's a problem person with multiple reports filed against him. A person with minimal reports against them would not stand out to a riot employee's eyes, but someone that has been reported multiple times, that becomes recognizable.
> [{quoted}](name=Chunky Coffee,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2019-06-18T08:42:40.260+0000) > > Also Nubrac has been reported by multiple streamers. Guys he wasn't banned for being offmeta, he was banned because he refuses to communicate and tell people he's going to be doing this and he refuses to go anywhere else. He's not roaming support, stop calling him a roaming support, he's not "leaving lane to roam" he's picking a complete different lane than bot lane and sitting there, he doesn't help bot lane whatsoever, there's no roaming going on. > > People keep referencing his conversation with riot support but aren't acknowledging the final bit in the response let me all caps it THAT BY ITSELF WOULDN'T LEAD TO A BAN BUT USUALLY THERE IS MORE CONTEXT, you see that part? Rioter straight up told him that the situation he gave lacked context, here's the situation he gave: go teemo support buy a support item and going to lane HE THINKS is best for the team. So yeah, that's not bannable, but the bit above? was completely left out of the conversation, he doesn't acknowledge that he refuses to communicate (reportable) and he refuses to go anywhere else no matter how much people tell him it's annoying them and stuff, why? Because he instantly mutes chat, because he knows full well that what he is doing is tilting to other people and he just doesn't care, same reason why he doesn't tell anyone he's going to do this in lobby, he knows people would dodge, but would rather force them to play with him and not even give them the courtesy of being able to pick appropriate champions and shit to prepare for the situation. When he doesn't mute chat he just tells them its off meta and look at his win rate, completely ignoring the fact he's tilting his team. > > If he told everyone beforehand he was going to go mid or top lane and never go bot in lobby and the game went through, no one would be able to report him, because he communicated. But by not communicating and refusing to back off when team tells you to back off because you are annoying them and its tilting you are admitting that you do not care about your team and are intentionally annoying them and tilting them. He should have been banned long ago, people have been reporting him for awhile, your pic shows that the rioter, if this pic is even real (anyone can make 2 discord accounts with any name they want and any profile pic they want and have a conversation with themselves or a friend and screen cap it), KNOWS Nubrac by name well enough to know he's a problem person with multiple reports filed against him. A person with minimal reports against them would not stand out to a riot employee's eyes, but someone that has been reported multiple times, that becomes recognizable. No simply no. Riot by the words of every Riot employee in their Support department states "Ignore your team and focus on your own game play." They cannot simply ignore the fact Riot apporoves of non-communication. Even if he did tell his team "Hey I'm going top or mid and not going bot" they would still blame him for everything. There is nothing in Riot's rules or statements saying he is under any obligation to tell his team about his strategy. As long as he tries to win the game. What you are saying is have him tell his team "Hey I'm trying this out" but, that in it's self BY RIOTS RULSE is Griefing. That is not communication rather those 4 players will see it as "He's just trying to tilt his team." If you don't understand this then clearly you have never played the game before. So let me clear it up for YOU. He might have been reported by more than one streamer but, RIOT in their message to Nubrac stated there was only ONE GAME HE VIOLATED THE RULES. Want to take a guess which one that was? I've seen the whole game. It wasn't his fault they lost the game. He got first blood and was able to give Irelia a 35 CS lead at one point. Sivir on the other hand was only down 15 CS and hadn't died at this point. Then a 3 man gank killed Nubrac and Irelia. After that NightBlue3 and Neeko went in on a 2v3. Then in bottom lane it was a 4 man tower dive while Nubrac was trying to follow the Twisted Fate and his ultimate. There was nothing Nubrac did wrong. So, tell me if the adc blames the support about losing lane at 4 minutes in and the adc tells the support to leave does the support leave? That is up to the support to decide where he would best be to get a win condition. A support is exactly as it sounds A SUPPORT. Not an adc babysitter nor, are they obligated to do whatever the team says. If I want to go Sona support but, the team wants Thresh am I trolling because I didn't pick what my team wanted? No because there is nothing stating you HAVE to follow your teams orders.
: > [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=0000000100010001,timestamp=2019-06-16T04:09:28.197+0000) > > you could use that flimsy excuse for anything including playing badly Not really, look at league culture and how big "carrying my team" is, part of the expectation when queueing up is that not everyone is going to perform well
> [{quoted}](name=Giggle Physics,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WuJEL0RA,comment-id=00000001000100010000,timestamp=2019-06-17T22:17:03.574+0000) > > Not really, look at league culture and how big "carrying my team" is, part of the expectation when queueing up is that not everyone is going to perform well Trying out a new strategy is not against the rules. The certain parameters that every player has to play by is to try and win the game. There is nothing stating a support has to go bot and babysit the adc. There is nothing stating that the top lane has to go tank. Vayne, Kennen, Rumble... All viable tops yet they are not tanks. There is nothing stating the mid lane has to roam. Xerath, Lissandra, Syndra... All viable mid laners that don't have to roam to win the game. There is nothing stating the bot has to be an adc. *Old* Mordekaiser, Sona, Vlad... All viable bot picks that aren't attack damage oriented. There is nothing stating the jg must gank. *I don't jungle but, I can promise you there are champs that don't have to gank to win a game.* These are all just customs we learned throughout the years. A new strategy involves changing ones play-style AKA Sona and Taric bot lane. As for your "carrying my team is part of expectation when queuing" that is nothing more than someone's personal experience. I can promise you not every Support main goes into a game thinking "I better pick a carry champion so I can gaurentee my win" The Support main will pick the appropriate support and play to get their *TEAM* to win the game. Notice how the adc is not a specific win condition there? If my adc is not performing well why would I put my trust in him when I can go mid who's actually performing and get them ahead. Granted that is not the setting in this situation but, I was just proving a point. Just because someone is trying something different and out of the ordinary is not a bannable offense. The fact of the matter is Riot suspended Nubrac BECAUSE of NightBlue3 *Proof in the 14 day suspension notice Nubrac got* Not because the new strategy he was trying was trolling. If it were they would have also, linked other games inside that suspension notice. Next time come back to this board with facts not your opinion.
: Proof that NB3 actually got Nubrac banned
By the way. I just played a game as Teemo support. I didn't sit in mid I played a regular support role and we were smashing their bot lane. My mid lane Ekko got tilted and afk'd the game. He sat in jungle and then in base. He then afk farmed saying "i won't get banned" This is the behavior Riot supports. Since they didn't do anything about NightBlue3 now the viewers watching him thinks they can do it as well. I expect a response from Riot. You need to explain how you guys fucked up.
: Proof that NB3 actually got Nubrac banned
Alright, snowflakes I'll give you the facts. This game is always changing regardless whether you guys like it or not. Riot is always updating it and with each update comes a new "meta" and new strategies. People test these out and if they work we have a new meta. If not then they move on to the next strategy. Sona Taric are the perfect examples. No one played Sona Taric bottom lane 2 years ago because it was not meta. Now it's such a strong combo that it's hit the professional stage. This situation is no different. Testing out new ways to play is not a bannable offense according to Riot's rules. The Riot employee Nubrac spoke to also agrees with this. "So basically, as long as you are legitmately trying to win, we won't ban you for playing something out of left field." Granted you 'should' test it out in normals before going to ranked. However, how does anyone know Nubrac didn't do this? Maybe he did it on a different account? Even if he didn't test it out there still isn't a single rule about testing things out in ranked. If there were a rule about it then at what point does a new strategy change from a "test run" to an legitimate strategy? There is no way to prove 100% something will always work. That is why there is no rule for this. Nubrac's ban is unjustified. He was well within the rules. As stated before a new strategy is not griefing nor is it ruining the game for others. If Riot wants to ban him for "griefing" they should provide definitive proof that he did this with the intention on ruining the games for other players. "If 4 players report you then you ruined the game for them" This is such a stupid statement it's crazy. So, if I'm playing a split pushing champ and I split push but my team wants to fight a 4v5 for no reason. They end up dying and losing the game off that fight then they blame me for not being there to fight. Did I ruin the game for them? No because they acted on their own to throw the game. But, in Riot's eyes this person is at fault because 4 people says he is. Riot should be taking these accusations seriously and actually look into the incident rather than just taking their words at face value. As far as I can see Riot has yet to actually provide the proof that Nubrac did this intentionally to ruin the game for other players. They are just taking NightBlue3's word and punishing him for a possible new strategy. As for anyone on this board saying he deserves to be banned give proof. If you don't then it's nothing more than your 'feelings' getting hurt. None of the statements you guys have given is proof nor is it definitive enough to justify an actual ban. Regardless if he tells his team or not. I understand peoples argument "He should have told his teammates" but, there is nothing in Riot's rules stating anying along the lines of "Informing teammates about a new strategy you are working on" In fact if he were to tell his team they would most likely pick troll champions themselves and not even try because "Teemo is playing off meta gg." So, in this regard I side with Nubrac. He has no obligation to tell his teammates what his strategy is and Riot agrees since I've talked to Riot Support about toxic players and two of them told me "Just type /muteall when you get in the game so you can focus on your own game-play." "He does this with popular streamers just to get more viewers" - Where is the proof? Just because he is doing a new strategy and there happens to be a streamer in the game isn't proof. His match history clearly shows every game isn't with a popular streamer. Most of these statements crying about how he deserved to be banned is idiotic. You don't just accuse someone of assaulting you and they go to jail magically. There is an investigation done by the Police. This should have been done by Riot however, they are listening to NightBlue3 who's ego is way too fucking massive for his own good. "My asshole is more important than Nubrac on Twitch. They would ban you before they would ban my asshole. You wanna see bro?" This is what you guys are supporting. This is the pure stupidity of how you guys are acting. Just because a popular Twitch Streamer cries about it then you guys take it like it's the word of god. Do some research and back up your claims. If not then stop posting on this board because you are just making yourself look stupid. Me on the other hand I've got some proof why NightBlue3 should be banned. NightBlue3 was well outside of the rules. Started flaming in the Pre-Game lobby: - Punishment 10 day Chat-Restriction per Riots rules. "bro" "your trash" He threatend him in game: - Punishment 2 Week Suspension per Riots Rules "TEEMO" "U WANT" "2 WEEK VACTION" "BISH" "ill call" "my" "riot" "friend" "right now" "say bye bye to ur accutn" He also sat in base with the intention on losing the game along with Irelia and Sivir. - Punishment 2 - Week Suspension These are all rules and punishments Riot made up and Riot wants to enforce whenever it's convienent to them. Based off of Riot's Rules Nubrac has done nothing wrong in the Pre-Game Lobby, Game, or Post-Game lobby of the single game they said he was breaking the rules in. So, for anyone saying "he should be banned" Riot can't find any other game that he 'broke' the rules in other than the single game NightBlue3 contacted a 'friend' while he broke at least three rules and I can promise you I'll find more if I start digging. This honestly disgusts me. The fact that Riot is on his side just because he "brings them money" is the dumbest thing ever. Riot you can't protect streamers because they bring you in money. One of the reasons the game is so toxic is because you allow large streamers to do what they want and say what they want with no major repercussions. Since it's become such a big deal now all eyes are on you Riot. Better make the right call from here on out or it will cause major back lash. Personally I would either give NightBlue3 a 2 week suspension and unban Nubrac or.... If you want to have Nubrac continue his 2 week suspension that's fine but, I would give NightBlue3 a 1-2 month suspension since he clearly broke the rules and if Nubrac is being punished NightBlue3 should be punished 2-3 times harsher. Since he did break the rules and an innocent person was punished. Riot if you want your employees trained properly let me know I'll gladly teach you how to train your employees to understand this simple concept that you guys are clearly not understanding.

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