: anyone with range, kiting, slows, cc, poke, etc.... chogath is a perfect example because if you can land ruptures you will not only wear him down but you'll also be able to farm from a safe distance. his silence and slow helps him out big time. teemo can beat him as long as he has the movement speed advantage so rushing tier 2 boots is a must and bringing movement speed runes and masteries also help. kennen, kayle, aatrox, gnar and jayce can also kite and poke him down with ease due to their CC, Kiting, and Poking Capabilities. while pantheon can chuck spears for days and stun him if needed but if pantheon rushes boots and has movement speed advantage then he should never have to use stun unless it's to kill darius.
> [{quoted}](name=wilmer007,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=00v7u4rx,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-01-20T02:53:03.987+0000) > > anyone with range, kiting, slows, cc, poke, etc.... > > chogath is a perfect example because if you can land ruptures you will not only wear him down but you'll also be able to farm from a safe distance. his silence and slow helps him out big time. > > teemo can beat him as long as he has the movement speed advantage so rushing tier 2 boots is a must and bringing movement speed runes and masteries also help. > > kennen, kayle, aatrox, gnar and jayce can also kite and poke him down with ease due to their CC, Kiting, and Poking Capabilities. > > while pantheon can chuck spears for days and stun him if needed but if pantheon rushes boots and has movement speed advantage then he should never have to use stun unless it's to kill darius. Does not work because MR Does not work because MR and grab range and getting insta gibbed for picking a squishy vs darius Works, works, works, works, works Does not work because armor and mana costs
Zuphlas (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=vxiJxFxY,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-01-07T20:38:11.220+0000) > > True but hec still did 80% of my HP by pressing E and then Q'ing me so it's not like I could have fought back to begin with. Hec is a problem every time he's a good pick, that's nothing new, but saying an E and a Q took 80% of your HP is either a huge exaggeration, or he was fed and had a big item advantage over you.
> [{quoted}](name=Zuphlas,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=vxiJxFxY,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-01-07T20:42:57.791+0000) > > Hec is a problem every time he's a good pick, that's nothing new, but saying an E and a Q took 80% of your HP is either a huge exaggeration, or he was fed and had a big item advantage over you. He had trinity force, E was 500 with the basic attack, Q was another 300. Didn't live to tell the tale after that.
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Kipe6tn4,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2017-01-07T20:41:38.839+0000) > > anything under 1800 defense is completely and utterly worthless in terms for guarding attacks lol not necessarily, depends what the opponent draws early, it's an early game card, i will admit it's not a good card, but supplying a second card as "evidence" of power creep that has a few hundred more attack and 1300 less defense isn't necessarily solid
> [{quoted}](name=WE WUZ KANGS,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Kipe6tn4,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-07T21:35:14.992+0000) > > not necessarily, depends what the opponent draws early, it's an early game card, i will admit it's not a good card, but supplying a second card as "evidence" of power creep that has a few hundred more attack and 1300 less defense isn't necessarily solid If it has less than that then it better have some kind of effect attached to it nowadays
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=IEMTwTnX,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-01-07T20:39:00.475+0000) > > Yasuo is either going to be a feeder or some fed mofo so he's worth the ban in my book You ban him so that your team doesn't feed with him and ban him so your team doesn't feed him. Its lee syndrome all over again.
> [{quoted}](name=Saminus Maximus,realm=EUW,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=IEMTwTnX,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2017-01-07T21:18:50.444+0000) > > You ban him so that your team doesn't feed with him and ban him so your team doesn't feed him. Its lee syndrome all over again. basically
: > [{quoted}](name=Only Brad,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Kipe6tn4,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-01-07T01:20:57.094+0000) > > http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/2/23/ShieldSword-BP02-EN-C-1E.png/revision/latest?cb=20130713075226 > > {{champion:432}} i don't think the guy posting the 2000 card and the current card understands strengths and weaknesses, one has no ability to defend, the other can do both almost equally...
> [{quoted}](name=WE WUZ KANGS,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Kipe6tn4,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2017-01-07T06:00:01.198+0000) > > i don't think the guy posting the 2000 card and the current card understands strengths and weaknesses, one has no ability to defend, the other can do both almost equally... anything under 1800 defense is completely and utterly worthless in terms for guarding attacks lol
: your bans say a lot about you as a player
Yasuo is either going to be a feeder or some fed mofo so he's worth the ban in my book
: Your mid game was terrible because you built BT second instead of a crit item Infinity Edge is worthless by itself, you would've easily doubled your DPS and gotten damage reduction with a PD second
> [{quoted}](name=Charles Barklius,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=vxiJxFxY,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-01-07T10:51:02.834+0000) > > Your mid game was terrible because you built BT second instead of a crit item > > Infinity Edge is worthless by itself, you would've easily doubled your DPS and gotten damage reduction with a PD second True but hec still did 80% of my HP by pressing E and then Q'ing me so it's not like I could have fought back to begin with.
Rioter Comments
: Is there any good girl streamers out there?
: > [{quoted}](name=2nd Chance,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Kipe6tn4,comment-id=00000002000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-07T02:18:53.698+0000) > > http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/1/15/FiveHeadedDragon-MIL1-EN-C-1E.png/revision/latest?cb=20160415070911 > > I can out-power creep yah son http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/4/42/VictoryDragon-RP02-EN-ScR-UE.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20160926224349 I think this is the worst power creep that exists...
> [{quoted}](name=Digital Ram,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Kipe6tn4,comment-id=000000020000000000010000,timestamp=2017-01-07T03:35:02.008+0000) > > http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/4/42/VictoryDragon-RP02-EN-ScR-UE.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20160926224349 > > I think this is the worst power creep that exists... that's pretty bad I mean that's not even a special effect rofl. . . And that summoning prerequisite is sooooo bad for that
La Spork (NA)
: Honestly only suckers get trapped into student debt.
certs aren't needed at a college, so if you're looking to be an IT or something of a similar field dealing with computers community colleges and smaller colleges are usually the go to and not big universities so or you can take online classes etc. So yea whatever
: if you don't have the nidus warframe yet
Well a lot of them quit and haven't come back which are the ones that I'm talking about and I'm talking about people who have been playing warframe since beta so they're hardly irrelevant. Also mog is a horrible person. like seriously he's fucking trash. And for the record many have quit that are vets because of what they did to the game. just an FYI. But that community is filled with white knights and they seriously filter out their forums so you won't get to see the stuff that people have to say about the game like you do here.
: Camp whoever is doing the best to get them more fed Once they can wreck shit without your help, move to the next lane
> [{quoted}](name=Trolosaurus,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=FZryeJm5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-07T00:47:43.083+0000) > > Camp whoever is doing the best to get them more fed > Once they can wreck shit without your help, move to the next lane well i decided to camp karth, then i moved to cass, then nasus let me die every time instead of engaging first so I wasted a lot of time and xp and gold which ended up making me fall behind become useless then gg wp. . . Oh well it is what it is but you were right about that
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=A9fHYZ8I,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T23:56:59.679+0000) > > they keep continuously increasing the grind, trashing warframes with no compensation, nerfing everything without fixing the major issues like scaling, etc. Grind has increased for some things but a lot of the new items do not require a significant grind to get), I do not think any Warframe have been trashed (except Mag, who is Mag), and they have nerfed very few things overall.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=A9fHYZ8I,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-07T00:18:59.240+0000) > > Grind has increased for some things but a lot of the new items do not require a significant grind to get), I do not think any Warframe have been trashed (except Mag, who is Mag), and they have nerfed very few things overall. Go to youtube and look at some of the vids from the youtubers that quit warframe. It will give you a much bigger picture of the entire situation.
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=A9fHYZ8I,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-01-06T22:48:42.456+0000) > > people still play that game after they trashed it? How did they trash it?
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=A9fHYZ8I,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-01-06T23:00:50.804+0000) > > How did they trash it? they keep continuously increasing the grind, trashing warframes with no compensation, nerfing everything without fixing the major issues like scaling, etc.
: if you don't have the nidus warframe yet
people still play that game after they trashed it?
øHaruø (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:16:02.425+0000) > > By the way you aren't killing xin at level 3 with trynd. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Xin is one of the cheesiest top laners in the game and he always has been along with pantheon. You don't 1 v 1 a xin. His Q is both CC and a massive damage booster. His W gives both sustain and even more damage. And his E is a straight up gap closer that prevents you from getting away. So if you just blew your E on trynd you have to wait about 10 seconds before it's up again and it's not gonna take a win nao 10 seconds to kill your ass for it. How often do you see a Xin? Right now you're pulling shit out of your ass and who cares about 1 vs 1 a xin top lane. I"m playing jungle you moron, please get off my post.
> [{quoted}](name=Kriske,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-01-06T17:04:09.490+0000) > > How often do you see a Xin? Right now you're pulling shit out of your ass and who cares about 1 vs 1 a xin top lane. I"m playing jungle you moron, please get off my post. This was a single example. You could use Lee Sin, Shaco, hell even Master Yi as an example.
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=000000010001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:26:13.933+0000) > > yea this is why lower elos need to stop back talking, look bro, I play at a plat skill level, it's not the greatest in the game but I have a pretty damn good clue as to how to do things and what you're saying is beyond retarded This is adorable. Mate I am fucking diamond jungler, sit down before I crush you under my boots. Everything you type is just embarrassing to yourself.
> [{quoted}](name=Mounting Dread,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=00000001000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000003,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:43:24.118+0000) > > He has his reasons for not wanting them revealed. Im not going to go against that. Then you can PM me, otherwise I don't believe you.
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=000000010001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:26:13.933+0000) > > yea this is why lower elos need to stop back talking, look bro, I play at a plat skill level, it's not the greatest in the game but I have a pretty damn good clue as to how to do things and what you're saying is beyond retarded This is adorable. Mate I am fucking diamond jungler, sit down before I crush you under my boots. Everything you type is just embarrassing to yourself.
> [{quoted}](name=Mounting Dread,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=00000001000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:37:13.422+0000) > > He's Diamond+Plat on multiple accounts actually. > > You're being stupid as normal. What accounts? Name them.
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=000000010001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:26:13.933+0000) > > You never EVER want to be below 60% HP while jungling. If you do so you can't gank without putting both you and your team mates at risk and on top of that you're also putting yourself at risk to be counter jungled. You literally have no idea what you are talking about at all. I think you're unaware of what scuttle is and what smiting does. It's easy to get back health even if you insist on ganking on a rather poor ganking champion. Plus after his first clear he really does not have issues with sustain at all. > > His Q does not count as sustain. And even if you did use it for sustain it's no where NEAR enough to get through the jungle on high HP. It's not rocket science, it has a high CD and barely heals for anything. On top of that, you don't even WANT to use it because it eats your crit and your DPS in the jungle and your ganks when you do so. This is why you buy sustain. No this is why you Q when moving around the map. Do you max E or something because it isn't a small amount of health return. > > But you don't need sustain on a champion like Yi _**because you just max W first **_ lmao who you callin low elo when you spit out shit like this, fuck off.
> [{quoted}](name=Throwing Rocks,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=00000001000100000000000000000000000000000000000000010001,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:36:54.104+0000) > > Yeah who, name them. Lmao. I don't remember because the last time that i talked to him was over a year ago and he was a regular forum poster here. Both me, him, and other Diamond junglers would talk all the time on the forums about what we would do and our habits. Surprise surprise! We all max W first on Yi jungle. Why? Q doesn't do jack shit and has a 1 to 1 AD scaling anyway. E is worthless to max first. But W gives damage mitigation and a lot of healing so that's why you max W first. So can you stop giving players advice when you don't even know the basics and are struggling to even make it to gold which has a very low requirement to get there.
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=000000010001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:26:13.933+0000) > > You never EVER want to be below 60% HP while jungling. If you do so you can't gank without putting both you and your team mates at risk and on top of that you're also putting yourself at risk to be counter jungled. You literally have no idea what you are talking about at all. I think you're unaware of what scuttle is and what smiting does. It's easy to get back health even if you insist on ganking on a rather poor ganking champion. Plus after his first clear he really does not have issues with sustain at all. > > His Q does not count as sustain. And even if you did use it for sustain it's no where NEAR enough to get through the jungle on high HP. It's not rocket science, it has a high CD and barely heals for anything. On top of that, you don't even WANT to use it because it eats your crit and your DPS in the jungle and your ganks when you do so. This is why you buy sustain. No this is why you Q when moving around the map. Do you max E or something because it isn't a small amount of health return. > > But you don't need sustain on a champion like Yi _**because you just max W first **_ lmao who you callin low elo when you spit out shit like this, fuck off.
> [{quoted}](name=Throwing Rocks,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=0000000100010000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:32:32.175+0000) > > I think you're unaware of what scuttle is and what smiting does. It's easy to get back health even if you insist on ganking on a rather poor ganking champion. Plus after his first clear he really does not have issues with sustain at all. > > No this is why you Q when moving around the map. Do you max E or something because it isn't a small amount of health return. > > lmao who you callin low elo when you spit out shit like this, fuck off. Low Elo? You do realize that the best yi's that play LoL max W first in the jungle right? This is how inexperienced you are and how little that you know about this game. This is not coming from me, this is coming from D1's, master, and challenger tier Yi's.
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=000000010001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:26:13.933+0000) > > yea this is why lower elos need to stop back talking, look bro, I play at a plat skill level, it's not the greatest in the game but I have a pretty damn good clue as to how to do things and what you're saying is beyond retarded This is adorable. Mate I am fucking diamond jungler, sit down before I crush you under my boots. Everything you type is just embarrassing to yourself.
> [{quoted}](name=Throwing Rocks,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=0000000100010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:27:59.014+0000) > > This is adorable. Mate I am fucking diamond jungler, sit down before I crush you under my boots. Okay now prove it. Oh wait it's showing in your stats. You can't even climb out of bronze in a day. That's a fucking joke. And you wanna tell me that I'm wrong. GTFO. I've been jungling for over 5 years and trynd was one of my first champions everplayed. OP it's your choice if you want to listen to this chump or a person who has literally devoted his LoL career to learning the jungles ins and outs. Also my advice is also advice that diamonds have given me. So take it from a plat guy that takesadvice from those better than him that you're going to want to buy some sustain in the jungle on a champion that has no damage mitigation so that you can gank effectively and remain healthy in the jungle. And I've already explained the benefits of buying sustian with Trynd in the jungle. From there you can either choose dueling with the BotRK or wave clear with the Hydra, and to make it even better you can get a BotRK with Shiv for wave clear and build as you see fit from there. It's a really standard build and is simple and easy to master. Trynd is a split pusher but he can team fight. So if your team needs you for a team fight then help them do so. Don't be that guy that just keeps pushing and not helping the team as a whole. And always remember that your goal as a jungler is to end games early and put on the pressure in lanes. I climbed by staying out of the jungle and pressuring lanes as much as possible and I found the most success that way. Good luck OP I hope that I helped some!
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=0000000100010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:17:14.498+0000) > > His Q does not give enough sustain. And if you use his Q to sustain you give up his crits. Also being at 100% HP is EXTREMELY important for ganking and counter ganking as well as a natural deterrent to getting counter jungled. lol, I promise you it's enough. Besides just like Olaf, Trynd will purposely jungle at lower health because he gets a significant speed boost to his clears.
> [{quoted}](name=Throwing Rocks,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=00000001000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:19:27.140+0000) > > lol, I promise you it's enough. Besides just like Olaf, Trynd will purposely jungle at lower health because he gets a significant speed boost to his clears. yea this is why lower elos need to stop back talking, look bro, I play at a plat skill level, it's not the greatest in the game but I have a pretty damn good clue as to how to do things and what you're saying is beyond retarded You never EVER want to be below 60% HP while jungling. If you do so you can't gank without putting both you and your team mates at risk and on top of that you're also putting yourself at risk to be counter jungled. You literally have no idea what you are talking about at all. His Q does not count as sustain. And even if you did use it for sustain it's no where NEAR enough to get through the jungle on high HP. It's not rocket science, it has a high CD and barely heals for anything. On top of that, you don't even WANT to use it because it eats your crit and your DPS in the jungle and your ganks when you do so. This is why you buy sustain. But you don't need sustain on a champion like Yi because you just max W first and you'll never have problems so you can bypass it. There's a difference between a gimmicky sustain option and a sustain option that keeps you in the jungle. I already gave examples of this (Warwick, Xin, Yi, Lee Sin) where their sustain can be used all the time and keep them at 100% in the jungle at all times. Trynd does not have that luxury.
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=0000000100010000000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:11:21.032+0000) > > Yes, and this is why you are in bronze. If you can't argue without bringing someone's rank into it then please just shut up. It's not even like you're up to snuff on anything, you might as well be bronze. You were gold 5 0 LP 2 seasons ago, and now all you do is play bots and feed in norms.
> [{quoted}](name=Throwing Rocks,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=00000001000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:13:59.626+0000) > > If you can't argue without bringing someone's rank into it then please just shut up. It's not even like you're up to snuff on anything, you might as well be bronze. You were gold 5 0 LP 2 seasons ago, and now all you do is play bots and feed in norms. Okay but did you know that I hit gold 5 in a day from Silver 4 in 60 games? Did you know that I hit Silver 2 the season before that in a day from Bronze 3? My skill level is not Gold 5, I stopped in gold 5 because all I wanted was the season rewards and I loathe ranked. I don't even play League anymore I play less than one game a day currently. And for the record, my normal MMR is around low plat but I don't play enough to raise it higher. And also I've just been playing whatever for the hell of it. Like the last game I just played was as GP support with Irelia bot lane for crying out loud. But I mostly play ARAMs now and my ARAM MMR is plat.
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=00000001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:13:40.001+0000) > > As a jungler your first thought should be how you're going to survive in the jungle. Some champs like Weedwick have built in sustain. Trynd does not so in order to sustain you need to buy some. I mean ignoring his Q and the fact that he gets great lifesteal with the jungle item because of his natural crits. You do not rush sustain on trynd, it's a waste of fucking money in the jungle.
> [{quoted}](name=Throwing Rocks,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=000000010001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:15:05.515+0000) > > I mean ignoring his Q and the fact that he gets great lifesteal with the jungle item because of his natural crits. You do not rush sustain on trynd, it's a waste of fucking money in the jungle. His Q does not give enough sustain. And if you use his Q to sustain you give up his crits. Also being at 100% HP is EXTREMELY important for ganking and counter ganking as well as a natural deterrent to getting counter jungled. And also if you buy sustain it means that you don't have to back after a gank either because you can just regain your HP from a single camp. It's that damn useful and it's a waste to not buy any type of sustain when you're a jungler whether it be in HP regen or Life Steal.
øHaruø (NA)
: Should I play Tryndamere in the jungle?
By the way you aren't killing xin at level 3 with trynd. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Xin is one of the cheesiest top laners in the game and he always has been along with pantheon. You don't 1 v 1 a xin. His Q is both CC and a massive damage booster. His W gives both sustain and even more damage. And his E is a straight up gap closer that prevents you from getting away. So if you just blew your E on trynd you have to wait about 10 seconds before it's up again and it's not gonna take a win nao 10 seconds to kill your ass for it.
: > [{quoted}](name=ZerglingOne,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:08:07.614+0000) > > Trynd relies on crits. The damage doesn't crit, it adds no AD. Yes, I know it's the best option on him in the jungle, but he doesn't synergize with it like say...a Yi, a Warwick, or Shyvana would. Characters that can exploit the power of on-hits. Even in lane trynd doesn't always get a crit item first. He doesn't rely on crits as much as you'd think as a jungler. At least not early.
> [{quoted}](name=Throwing Rocks,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=0000000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:10:03.614+0000) > > Even in lane trynd doesn't always get a crit item first. He doesn't rely on crits as much as you'd think as a jungler. At least not early. As a jungler your first thought should be how you're going to survive in the jungle. Some champs like Weedwick have built in sustain. Trynd does not so in order to sustain you need to buy some. So crit is on the back burner. You also don't want too much crit and it's better to go bruiser to help out in team fights than to go glass cannon in most cases. So something like BotRK combined with Shiv and then items that give both HP and AD are a good mix. And as for the jungle item you could go for the attack speed one or the HP one depending on what you want and feel that you need.
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=00000001000100000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T06:48:43.809+0000) > > Okay now let me ask you something. you just used your E and now you have no escape.A Xin Zhao is counter jungling and just found you when you just used your E. Now what? You're not going to out trade a Xin Zhao. And you just used your escape. > > You do not use your escape while you're jungling if you have the option to not to unless you like being counter jungled and losing engagements that is. That's a pretty ridiculous hypothetical, don't you think? Sure counter junglers exist, but in the vast majority of cases you want to increase your jungling speed as much as you can. Plus, even if you're running flash and saving it, if he walks up to you, you spin, he dashes, you flash, he flashes. Oh look, didn't save you. The only case in which that counterjungling results in you living, assuming he can even kill you in the first place, is if he blows his gap closer before you drop E AND Flash, which no decent Xin is going to do. And you should never EVER rely on your opponents being bad, nor should you ever rely on Flash to save you, no matter how high the odds of them being bad are. I'll take the increased jungling speed over a small chance to live in a fairly rare counterjungle attempt any day. > [{quoted}](name=Throwing Rocks,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-06T06:52:38.213+0000) > > 98% of his damage is auto attacks and he gains AD for free with Q. How is a cheap attack speed item with a decent on hit bad? Trynd relies on crits. The damage doesn't crit, it adds no AD. Yes, I know it's the best option on him in the jungle, but he doesn't synergize with it like say...a Yi, a Warwick, or Shyvana would. Characters that can exploit the power of on-hits. > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:08:04.029+0000) > > dude is a bronze man, don't listen to him > > the easiest way to jungle and keep ganking is to get some LS with an auto attacker, you can either go for BoTRK on trynd for better gank potential, or Tiamat for better wave clear. If you really want to be an ass you could get both hydra and BotRK. But I'd mostly just recommend sticking with BotRK and Shiv for wave clear. > > And for the record, junglers buy cheap items, not expensive items. You snowball and end games early. That's the job of the jungler. If late game hits then you sell a couple of cheaper items for bigger items if need be. I'm climbing...this is the first season I've even finished my placements.
> [{quoted}](name=ZerglingOne,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T07:08:07.614+0000) > > That's a pretty ridiculous hypothetical, don't you think? Sure counter junglers exist, but in the vast majority of cases you want to increase your jungling speed as much as you can. Plus, even if you're running flash and saving it, if he walks up to you, you spin, he dashes, you flash, he flashes. > > Oh look, didn't save you. > > The only case in which that counterjungling results in you living, assuming he can even kill you in the first place, is if he blows his gap closer before you drop E AND Flash, which no decent Xin is going to do. And you should never EVER rely on your opponents being bad, nor should you ever rely on Flash to save you, no matter how high the odds of them being bad are. I'll take the increased jungling speed over a small chance to live in a fairly rare counterjungle attempt any day. > > Trynd relies on crits. The damage doesn't crit, it adds no AD. Yes, I know it's the best option on him in the jungle, but he doesn't synergize with it like say...a Yi, a Warwick, or Shyvana would. Characters that can exploit the power of on-hits. Yes, and this is why you are in bronze. Because you never prepare for the worst case scenario. When you start learning to think of the worst case scenarios and how to prepare for them you will climb easily. But because you do not think about the worst case scenarios you will not climb. I just gave you a really damn good tip,please take it to heart and put it into your gameplay. You do not use your gap closers or escapes until you need to unless you REALLY want or have to. It's not too bad using it early on to get your first 2 buffs. But after that don't do it again.
: > [{quoted}](name=ZerglingOne,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-06T04:28:26.038+0000) > > I just mean Bloodrazor's not that good for him as an item. 98% of his damage is auto attacks and he gains AD for free with Q. How is a cheap attack speed item with a decent on hit bad?
> [{quoted}](name=Throwing Rocks,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-06T06:52:38.213+0000) > > 98% of his damage is auto attacks and he gains AD for free with Q. How is a cheap attack speed item with a decent on hit bad? dude is a bronze man, don't listen to him the easiest way to jungle and keep ganking is to get some LS with an auto attacker, you can either go for BoTRK on trynd for better gank potential, or Tiamat for better wave clear. If you really want to be an ass you could get both hydra and BotRK. But I'd mostly just recommend sticking with BotRK and Shiv for wave clear. And for the record, junglers buy cheap items, not expensive items. You snowball and end games early. That's the job of the jungler. If late game hits then you sell a couple of cheaper items for bigger items if need be.
: I would disagree with ganks being helpful since he can easily 2v1 pre 6 and after 6 your midlane is probably going to get mandropped if you let him push you in.
> [{quoted}](name=doodlebob666,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0IENANWc,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-01-06T05:57:03.889+0000) > > I would disagree with ganks being helpful since he can easily 2v1 pre 6 and after 6 your midlane is probably going to get mandropped if you let him push you in. That's not how ganks work. When you gank HP is shared and you use crowd control to lock down the enemy laner so that they cannot do a lot of damage or you flat out burst them down. If you time it wrong you pay for it with pantheon which is why it's important to bait and switch.
: How do you beat pantheon in lane, or atleast not feed him as a nontank toplaner?
You don't, he's broken and needs early game nerfs compensated with late game buffs. The only way that you're going to beat a pantheon 1 v 1 in lane is with a jungler gank.
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2017-01-06T04:43:59.795+0000) > > What? he's no where near the fastest. Trynd has serious wave clear problems without items. I said one of. His crit chance and E make him fly through the jungle. Most of the smaller monsters can't take many hits, and you'll often get up to 2 E's per camp if you're even a little lucky with crits. Add into that the ability to jump over walls with it while also doing damage and not requiring warding. It helps more than you think.
> [{quoted}](name=ZerglingOne,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=0000000100010000,timestamp=2017-01-06T05:29:29.725+0000) > > I said one of. His crit chance and E make him fly through the jungle. Most of the smaller monsters can't take many hits, and you'll often get up to 2 E's per camp if you're even a little lucky with crits. Add into that the ability to jump over walls with it while also doing damage and not requiring warding. It helps more than you think. Okay now let me ask you something. you just used your E and now you have no escape.A Xin Zhao is counter jungling and just found you when you just used your E. Now what? You're not going to out trade a Xin Zhao. And you just used your escape. You do not use your escape while you're jungling if you have the option to not to unless you like being counter jungled and losing engagements that is.
øHaruø (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2017-01-06T04:43:59.795+0000) > > What? he's no where near the fastest. Trynd has serious wave clear problems without items. I just carried my team as Trynda and soloed baron and came out with 100 HP
> [{quoted}](name=Kriske,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=0000000100010001,timestamp=2017-01-06T05:51:27.404+0000) > > I just carried my team as Trynda and soloed baron and came out with 100 HP nicely done ^_^
: holy shit riot player support does not fuck around
just wow well it's a big step up from riot's bots that answered everything and even handled forum stuff
: > [{quoted}](name=Trolosaurus,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-06T03:17:18.541+0000) > > Bad waveclear and survivability in jungle. Kidding right? He's one of the fastest and safest clearers... His main problem is not having a good jungle item choice.
> [{quoted}](name=ZerglingOne,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=NbijZTbw,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-01-06T03:26:40.101+0000) > > Kidding right? He's one of the fastest and safest clearers... > > His main problem is not having a good jungle item choice. What? he's no where near the fastest. Trynd has serious wave clear problems without items.
øHaruø (NA)
: Should I play Tryndamere in the jungle?
went 20+-0 with trynd jungle on my smurf so I don't see why not Just use attack speed runes with flat armor seals and buy BotRK as your first item and go from there also don't heal off your Q too much, Your Q is your damage and gives you more crit, later on after you get 1200 g you should be healing off your Life Steal and not your Q. You can also use Life Steal on your quints if you want. I do that sometimes.
Enselus (NA)
: Poppy inting the whole game
still better than being deleted even though you have 160 armor 10 mins in because reasons
ethics1 (NA)
: Bronze V
it took me a day to go from b3 to s2 so if you have the skill level and you are as skilled as you think you are you can climb in no time at all. . . the biggest issue for me wasn't the elo but the stupid ladders you had to win to climb tiers which was the most retarded system I've ever seen in any competitive game if you are at a certain elo you should move up and down the ladder based on your current mmr, not some stupid trail when you've already proved that you deserve it and for the record golds are retarded so if you can't climb to at least gold you're incompetent because bronzes and silvers make mistake after mistake after mistake and if you're not punishing them that's your fault
: > [{quoted}](name=CLG ear,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=kTt7ylgf,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-01-05T15:18:48.211+0000) > > they'd probably quit playing if they had to support the retards you get in low elo Thats what annoys me the most lol. Every video about how to climb and the advice is never for someone in support. You can plant all the wards in the world, set up all the ambushes and ganks, but if your team can't pay attention you are not winning period.
> [{quoted}](name=Redcadaver,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=kTt7ylgf,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-01-05T15:23:16.325+0000) > > Thats what annoys me the most lol. Every video about how to climb and the advice is never for someone in support. You can plant all the wards in the world, set up all the ambushes and ganks, but if your team can't pay attention you are not winning period. plant what wards now rofl riot said they got tired of supports being the only ones warding, then literally MADE them the only class that's the most likely to ward logics
: We all do. 6.23 killed him as a mid-mage.....but now he being spammed as a support.
> [{quoted}](name=lightdragoon88,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=oAXzxIqV,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-01-04T02:24:50.714+0000) > > We all do. > > 6.23 killed him as a mid-mage.....but now he being spammed as a support. ^ like the change wasn't asked for nor was it needed. . .
AceZStar (NA)
: Malzhar.....
He just needs hit ult to be uninterruptible and so does weed wick. There's no reason why a self stunning ult should be disabled by touching them. . .
Dasdi96 (NA)
: Is tank caitlyn viable?
Bruiser graves is a thing but uh tank caitlyn? Like you'll do no damage and not be a threat, AP cait was better than tank cait lol. . .
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=lKeWlkE0,comment-id=000d00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-04T21:50:43.905+0000) > > Um, an item that has a 1000 damage active is never bad at any stage of the game. that's a retarded analogy. Correct. A 1000 damage active is never bad at any stage of the game. But a 100 damage active at lv18 is quite bad. And that's what that hypothetical item would have. The example I gave starts at 1000 damage, and subtracts 50 for each level of the opponent. At lv18, it will only do 100 damage, not 1000; that's the same damage as a bilgewater cutlass.
> [{quoted}](name=Leaf of the lake,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=lKeWlkE0,comment-id=000d000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-04T23:32:06.904+0000) > > Correct. A 1000 damage active is never bad at any stage of the game. But a 100 damage active at lv18 is quite bad. And that's what that hypothetical item would have. The example I gave starts at 1000 damage, and subtracts 50 for each level of the opponent. At lv18, it will only do 100 damage, not 1000; that's the same damage as a bilgewater cutlass. I would agree but usually it'll only get cut in half and most adcs don't buy MR even when they should so most of the damage will still go through. Burst has never really been good vs tanky targets and is solely for the purpose of bursting down squishies so on a champion like leblanc they would just buy it anyway so that they can have a free extra ability. And I fully understand how big the drop off is because I like to use the dagon in dota 2 and that thing falls off hard as a rock when everyone has a full build.
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=lKeWlkE0,comment-id=000d00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-04T21:50:43.905+0000) > > Um, an item that has a 1000 damage active is never bad at any stage of the game. that's a retarded analogy. Magic resist is a thing and if you're building it on a champion who isn't itemizing magic pen or stacking AP, then you end up losing out on the power of that active. The AP champions it's good on are results of it filling a niche. Gunblade has been like this for a year, it's not a coincidence that people are complaining about it when kat is broken. It'd be the same if Akali suddenly became good. Very few champions utilize it well and it falls off like a rock in 99% of the time, the other times it's filling its niche.
> [{quoted}](name=HateDaddy,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=lKeWlkE0,comment-id=000d000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-04T22:29:58.347+0000) > > Magic resist is a thing and if you're building it on a champion who isn't itemizing magic pen or stacking AP, then you end up losing out on the power of that active. The AP champions it's good on are results of it filling a niche. Gunblade has been like this for a year, it's not a coincidence that people are complaining about it when kat is broken. It'd be the same if Akali suddenly became good. Very few champions utilize it well and it falls off like a rock in 99% of the time, the other times it's filling its niche. 1000 damage even mitigated is an extra ability on a click similar to what DFG was able to do and if you are a mage you can buy void staff and other magic pen items, runes, and masteries to ignore that and make it even more potent kat has always been broken and needs to be deleted from the game, sometimes you need to nerf items because they are too good and other times it's not the item but the champion that is too strong, kat is just stupid and needs to not be useful ever
: > [{quoted}](name=Delimon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=lKeWlkE0,comment-id=000d000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-04T04:38:45.714+0000) > > Didn't you just claim that the item was OP? Stop contradicting yourself. And item is either completely over powered or it's not. For example, old IE was completely broken and bought pretty much every singe game on any ADC ever because of its broken stats that beat out any other item at any stage in the game. That's a broken item that needs fixing. > > And item having a niche doesn't make it broken but in fact means that it's balanced because it has weaknesses. Wrong. It's possible for an item to be overpowered in the early/mid game but weak in the late game, if it's providing a disproportionate winrate during the early/mid time. Because when an item is overpowered early/mid, it results in a snowball that prevents the enemy team from ever getting to late. Imagine an item with the following active: "Inflict 1000 - target's level \* 50 magic damage to a target enemy champion." This is obviously broken, since it straight-up deletes an enemy champion from the game until lategame, at which point it's a fairly normal active at lv18 (even being a little on the weak side!). The thing is, while it's not as extreme as this example, gunblade follows the same sort of scaling. You can pick up a gunblade as early as lv9, at which point you have what is effectively *two* fully ranked abilities and some decent stats behind them too. It's an incredible powerspike, and usually snowballs the game from there. It falling off at 6 items doesn't really matter in the long run, since the game is rarely going to get to that point.
> [{quoted}](name=Leaf of the lake,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=lKeWlkE0,comment-id=000d0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-04T18:13:23.180+0000) > > Wrong. It's possible for an item to be overpowered in the early/mid game but weak in the late game, if it's providing a disproportionate winrate during the early/mid time. Because when an item is overpowered early/mid, it results in a snowball that prevents the enemy team from ever getting to late. > > Imagine an item with the following active: "Inflict 1000 - target's level \* 50 magic damage to a target enemy champion." This is obviously broken, since it straight-up deletes an enemy champion from the game until lategame, at which point it's a fairly normal active at lv18 (even being a little on the weak side!). The thing is, while it's not as extreme as this example, gunblade follows the same sort of scaling. You can pick up a gunblade as early as lv9, at which point you have what is effectively *two* fully ranked abilities and some decent stats behind them too. It's an incredible powerspike, and usually snowballs the game from there. It falling off at 6 items doesn't really matter in the long run, since the game is rarely going to get to that point. Um, an item that has a 1000 damage active is never bad at any stage of the game. that's a retarded analogy.
: where can I find a game where ppl don't say "gg ez" ?
sticks and stones, sticks and stones. . .
: > [{quoted}](name=KiteAzure,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=WfaMt8HA,comment-id=0003000100000000,timestamp=2017-01-04T00:41:07.046+0000) > > yea he seems over bearing, but riot shouldnt nerf him so he stays out of bot lane. The second time (the first being morde adc) something is almost meta in bot lane adcs just cry again and again because they feel like their role is being taken by one champion lol... Idc where he's played tho, he's obnoxious as fuck and probably needs his siege power nerfed. He just eats towers too quickly. But you sit at a weird place because if you do nerf him, it feels more like he'd get nerfed for "challenging the ADC overlords" and not because he's actually broken. And that feels shitty even when it's correct. And don't worry, I have a solution. *Finally fucking nerf Caitlyn, too.* there, a good compromise.
> [{quoted}](name=HateDaddy,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=WfaMt8HA,comment-id=00030001000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-04T00:46:35.466+0000) > > Idc where he's played tho, he's obnoxious as fuck and probably needs his siege power nerfed. He just eats towers too quickly. But you sit at a weird place because if you do nerf him, it feels more like he'd get nerfed for "challenging the ADC overlords" and not because he's actually broken. And that feels shitty even when it's correct. > > And don't worry, I have a solution. *Finally fucking nerf Caitlyn, too.* there, a good compromise. His siege power is fine, the real issue is that his mines never go away until you step on the damn things
CLG ear (NA)
: idk I was watching imaqtpie play Caitlyn and a 2/7 maokai almost killed him mid game and he almost lost the game because the enemy team built tank so he couldn't do anything
> [{quoted}](name=CLG ear,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=WfaMt8HA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-04T00:29:51.526+0000) > > idk I was watching imaqtpie play Caitlyn and a 2/7 maokai almost killed him mid game > > and he almost lost the game because the enemy team built tank so he couldn't do anything Cait doesn't kill tanks and she's not a tank shredder, pretty much any other adc can shred tanks due to their kit and some even synergize with BC
: I think adcs being weak is an overused meme
rofl adcs weak? They still melt anything that they touch and delete towers
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