: MMR Decay
Their game design philosophies are mind boggling. They're actually discouraging prolonged gameplay be doing this.
: The Rng is just too much
Yeah, there's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much RNG. I really don't understand why don't just have a specific amount of items given to each player, at set points in the game. I know for a fact how I'm going to do based on the items I get. A great build only wins early. Late game, you run into other great builds, and the one with the better items and champ levels will always win. RNG and competitive gameplay are in opposition to one another. You can't have heavy aspects of both, and expect people to love the mode. So pick one and go with it.
Rioter Comments
CurS1VE (NA)
: Riot plz Change item max from 3 to 2
I honestly think the item limit should be one per champ, and rather than a random chance to get an item spawn, it should be guaranteed from certain monsters. There is enough rng in every other aspect of the game. Too much just makes it less competitive, and more based on luck. Even with guaranteed item spawns, those items being random is still a bit too much rng for my tastes, but I concede it needs to be random to maintain the "draft" sort of gameplay.
: Learn More: Arcade 2019
Rito, I don't want to read anything from you guys, unless it involves URF.
luzz (NA)
: ARURF to be PERMA
Oh and why was this thread moved to the rant forum??? Man, even the mods are out to stifle player opinion. Great job Rito.
luzz (NA)
: ARURF to be PERMA
The vast majority wants permanent URF. I haven't logged in since URF cycled out, and I won't until it's back. Everyone I know who games, only plays LoL during URF.
Sondra (NA)
: I'm not sure sure about the funneling of players back into SR. I think the data shows that when URF comes in, they get the surge. Then when they take it away, they LOSE MORE OVERALL players than before release URF. I can attest to that because I am one of those players who came back and is now no longer playing until it returns! :)
> [{quoted}](name=Sondra,realm=NA,application-id=GgNYATV4,discussion-id=ndmnmuNV,comment-id=00400000,timestamp=2019-04-04T22:10:21.095+0000) > > I'm not sure sure about the funneling of players back into SR. I think the data shows that when URF comes in, they get the surge. Then when they take it away, they LOSE MORE OVERALL players than before release URF. > > I can attest to that because I am one of those players who came back and is now no longer playing until it returns! :) Oh I agree, but their claim that they lose more players overall is directly from Rito. I don't trust it. There has to be a reason they don't make it a permanent mode, and the only thing I can think of that makes sense, is fear of losing players in SR. Let's be honest, when URF is active, all of the other modes lose droves of players, because everyone loves URF. But I am definitely one of those people that only plays URF. Sr is just boring as hell. So is ARAM.
luzz (NA)
: ARURF to be PERMA
This thread will probably get deleted, but yes, the vast majority wants URF to be permanent. The reason it doesn't happen, is because it is currently used as a super effective marketing tool. They bring it out, in order to bring all of the old players back, who are sick of mindlessly last hitting minions, and counting massive cooldowns. Once that initial swell in the playerbase caps out, they cycle it out, and try to funnel all of those players back into SR. They want players on SR, because of the esport appeal. Then, after all of those players end up quitting again (it's an old, tired game, with identical mechanics to what it had a decade ago, so of course old players are sick of it), Rito just pulls out URF again, and attracts the old players back. The thing that URF proves, is that players greatly prefer low CD's, a fast pace, and far more action. You get huge momentum swings on URF, and the action is nonstop, so it's just an insanely fun mode. It's also (by far) the most played mode in the game, when they allow us the option. For some reason, they are completely unwilling to just follow the URF model, and make a competitive version of the game, that is action packed, and fast paced. It's baffling, because people are quitting League, but they won't support the only mode that actually brings people back to it. Think about this, LoL was the most played video game in the entire world, for years, and it's only available on PC. That's incredible. Now, that isn't the case, and it's losing its playerbase steadily. The logical thing to do, would be to actually fine tune, and balance URF. Quit with the random champion crap. And give it support and love. Make it a fully supported mode. But I honestly don't think that'll happen. LoL will probably just continue its cheap marketing gimmicks, attempting to bleed the playerbase dry, and die off into obscurity. It would be really cool if they'd actually listen to the playerbase though.
luzz (NA)
: ARURF to be PERMA
This thread will probably get deleted, but yes, the vast majority wants URF to be permanent. The reason it doesn't happen, is because it is currently used as a super effective marketing tool. They bring it out, in order to bring all of the old players back, who are sick of mindlessly last hitting minions, and counting massive cooldowns. Once that initial swell in the playerbase caps out, they cycle it out, and try to funnel all of those players back into SR. They want players on SR, because of the esport appeal. Then, after all of those players end up quitting again (it's an old, tired game, with identical mechanics to what it had a decade ago, so of course old players are sick of it), Rito just pulls out URF again, and attracts the old players back. The thing that URF proves, is that players greatly prefer low CD's, a fast pace, and far more action. You get huge momentum swings on URF, and the action is nonstop, so it's just an insanely fun mode. It's also (by far) the most played mode in the game, when they allow us the option. For some reason, they are completely unwilling to just follow the URF model, and make a competitive version of the game, that is action packed, and fast paced. It's baffling, because people are quitting League, but they won't support the only mode that actually brings people back to it. Think about this, LoL was the most played video game in the entire world, for years, and it's only available on PC. That's incredible. Now, that isn't the case, and it's losing its playerbase steadily. The logical thing to do, would be to actually fine tune, and balance URF. Quit with the random champion crap. And give it support and love. Make it a fully supported mode. But I honestly don't think that'll happen. LoL will probably just continue its cheap marketing gimmicks, attempting to bleed the playerbase dry, and die off into obscurity. It would be really cool if they'd actually listen to the playerbase though.
ILOVEH2O (NA)
: I believe the reason they removed it was related to them not wanting their Ranked player base to move to AR URF and their Ranked player base dying out. If their Ranked player base dies out and good players leave, the competition will thin itself resulting in angry players and EVEN MORE players quitting league. More players would quit then more players coming back to League solely for AR URF. As you would know a huge portion of the League Community is based around Ranked and Normals. They're doing what's better for the game as a whole although I would agree on the idea of bringing back AR URF every now and then, like a "weekly special".
> [{quoted}](name=ILOVEH2O,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eE1gllju,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-04-02T21:59:40.237+0000) > > I believe the reason they removed it was related to them not wanting their Ranked player base to move to AR URF and their Ranked player base dying out. If their Ranked player base dies out and good players leave, the competition will thin itself resulting in angry players and EVEN MORE players quitting league. More players would quit then more players coming back to League solely for AR URF. As you would know a huge portion of the League Community is based around Ranked and Normals. They're doing what's better for the game as a whole although I would agree on the idea of bringing back AR URF every now and then, like a "weekly special". That could be the case. I just don't understand why they don't take a hint, and make a faster paced version of SR, where you aren't mindlessly last hitting minions for half an hour, and counting huge CD's on abilities. The playerbase is declining because the game is old, and the only new, successful thing to come out of it in the last decade, is a mode they don't even support. With another company, they see a mode bringing back players, and they put a ton of effort into that mode. For some reason, Riot is completely backwards in that regard.
Psi21 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DiabolicalDude,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EkUm1ATV,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-04-02T21:48:07.551+0000) > > The numbers slowly decline, after an initial massive swell, in the player base, consisting of old players coming back. > > That's the entire reason they don't leave it up, they're trying to divert those players back to SR. Proven by past occurrences, they can remove URF, and lose less players than they gained, by making it an option. When all of those old players are back to no longer playing this old, tired game, that they've played to death, they bring URF back. > > It's the perfect system for artificially propping up the number of players. Maybe it is time they didn't revert them to Summoners Rift. Summoners Rift is OLD... BORING... and stupid slow.
> [{quoted}](name=Psi21,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EkUm1ATV,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-04-03T14:15:26.344+0000) > > Maybe it is time they didn't revert them to Summoners Rift. > > Summoners Rift is OLD... BORING... and stupid slow. Totally agree. I don't know how anyone can stand to sit around last hitting minions, and counting Cd's on abilities. It just isn't any fun any more. It's slow paced and vapid as hell.
: URF is a horrible mode. It loses it's fun factor incredibly fast. The catch with URF is that the frustration and tilt with that mode is just as accelerated as the cooldowns. It's a fun mode for like 2 days, but inevitably doomed to fail because of it's very nature.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eE1gllju,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-04-02T16:37:47.454+0000) > > URF is a horrible mode. It loses it's fun factor incredibly fast. The catch with URF is that the frustration and tilt with that mode is just as accelerated as the cooldowns. > It's a fun mode for like 2 days, but inevitably doomed to fail because of it's very nature. For you, but you're in the minority. URF has the lowest queue time, and the highest activity, by far.
: they take urf/arurf off because player numbers also drop while the game mode is up since more people are focused on urf/arurf there are less people playing the other game modes, because of this queue times are longer for matches which eventually pisses players off and they stop playing until urf/arurf is gone
> [{quoted}](name=MordridtheBlack,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EkUm1ATV,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-02T16:30:03.407+0000) > > they take urf/arurf off because player numbers also drop while the game mode is up > > since more people are focused on urf/arurf there are less people playing the other game modes, because of this queue times are longer for matches which eventually pisses players off and they stop playing until urf/arurf is gone The numbers slowly decline, after an initial massive swell, in the player base, consisting of old players coming back. That's the entire reason they don't leave it up, they're trying to divert those players back to SR. Proven by past occurrences, they can remove URF, and lose less players than they gained, by making it an option. When all of those old players are back to no longer playing this old, tired game, that they've played to death, they bring URF back. It's the perfect system for artificially propping up the number of players.
: > [{quoted}](name=DiabolicalDude,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EkUm1ATV,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-02T16:02:50.440+0000) > > What you fail to realize, is that only the hardcore player base, gives a crap about the base game. URF caused their player base to swell, and they're hoping to retain most of those players, by getting them back into SR. But that won't happen, which is why they always have a gradual decline in their players, after URF. > > They only use URF as a marketing tool, without supporting it, because they want people to play the base game. Once that swell declines into nonexistence, they bring URF back, and repeat the process. > > URF players simply want Riot to support that specific mode, which is something they're unwilling to do, because it doesn't have the Esport appeal. Ironically enough, when URF is an option, it has far more players than any other mode. > > Clueless, publicly owned Riot will not adhere to the wants of the playerbase, any more. Which is why SR currently sucks, but also why they use URF as a marketing tool, rather than supporting it, and making it into a new, permanent mode. > > It blows my mind how these morons think that people will play the exact same map and mode, for decades. I am far from being a hardcore player and I prefer the SR map simply because the teamfights in a 5v5 setting can and have been phenomial when both teams are on equal footing. If Riot truly wanted to bring URF popularity back they would bring back the ORIGINAL URF, not a random champion selection with a cannon that caused more issues than any enjoyment it might have been put in to create. I will yield on your stance with Esports appeal. Then again how is Riot going to make money if their competitive game mode, played by millions of players WORLDWIDE, isn’t broadcast for the world to see? People want names, people want recognition and, bottom line is, people want to show off their skills to the world. Riot actually went ahead and extended the duration of ARURF after listening to its players, something a company that has nearly a decade of experience would not feasibly achieve if they didn’t listen to their playerbase over the years. If I were in Riots shoes I would say fuck the whole thing because people aren’t complaining regardless of what we do. The amount of patience they have shown is staggering, especially when they probably know everything they do will be dissected under a microscope ten, twenty, a hundred times by people trying to fondness even a single reason to complain about the change.
> [{quoted}](name=Boltonator,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EkUm1ATV,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-02T16:11:48.752+0000) > > I am far from being a hardcore player and I prefer the SR map simply because the teamfights in a 5v5 setting can and have been phenomial when both teams are on equal footing. > > If Riot truly wanted to bring URF popularity back they would bring back the ORIGINAL URF, not a random champion selection with a cannon that caused more issues than any enjoyment it might have been put in to create. > > I will yield on your stance with Esports appeal. Then again how is Riot going to make money if their competitive game mode, played by millions of players WORLDWIDE, isn’t broadcast for the world to see? People want names, people want recognition and, bottom line is, people want to show off their skills to the world. > > Riot actually went ahead and extended the duration of ARURF after listening to its players, something a company that has nearly a decade of experience would not feasibly achieve if they didn’t listen to their playerbase over the years. If I were in Riots shoes I would say fuck the whole thing because people aren’t complaining regardless of what we do. The amount of patience they have shown is staggering, especially when they probably know everything they do will be dissected under a microscope ten, twenty, a hundred times by people trying to fondness even a single reason to complain about the change. Millions have begged for it to be a permanent mode, for years. Extending its duration is not "listening to the playerbase" Far more people play URF, when it's up.
: URF needs to be a main, supported mode.
They use URF as a marketing tool, because the new Riot doesn't want to adhere to the wants of the playerbase. But URF always has the highest amount of players, compared to other modes. Because it causes a swell in the playerbase, overall, it does a good job of getting players back to playing LoL. Then, once the base starts to fall off, primarily because no one wants to play the same game for over a decade, they bring URF out again, and simply repeat the process. They don't want to support URF, and make it a permanent mode, because it doesn't have the esport appeal of SR. They aren't concerned with players having enough fun to keep playing, they're more interested in having the highest amount of players possible, playing SR. Look at how quickly they made ARAM a mode, once they realized how popular it was. Now days, they're ran by corporate overlords, like EA, or Activision. Welcome to 2019 folks.
: I would rather they work on the myriad of bugs the game has over a game mode that is literally all about getting the most broken champs in champion selection so their cooldowns can be fired off one after the other.
> [{quoted}](name=Boltonator,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EkUm1ATV,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-02T15:34:10.624+0000) > > I would rather they work on the myriad of bugs the game has over a game mode that is literally all about getting the most broken champs in champion selection so their cooldowns can be fired off one after the other. What you fail to realize, is that only the hardcore player base, gives a crap about the base game. URF caused their player base to swell, and they're hoping to retain most of those players, by getting them back into SR. But that won't happen, which is why they always have a gradual decline in their players, after URF. They only use URF as a marketing tool, without supporting it, because they want people to play the base game. Once that swell declines into nonexistence, they bring URF back, and repeat the process. URF players simply want Riot to support that specific mode, which is something they're unwilling to do, because it doesn't have the Esport appeal. Ironically enough, when URF is an option, it has far more players than any other mode. Clueless, publicly owned Riot will not adhere to the wants of the playerbase, any more. Which is why SR currently sucks, but also why they use URF as a marketing tool, rather than supporting it, and making it into a new, permanent mode. It blows my mind how these morons think that people will play the exact same map and mode, for decades.
: ARURF
They need to get rid of the random pick, and just allow bans.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=DiabolicalDude,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=000000000000000000010000000000000001,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:44:49.516+0000) > > I didn't mention rich people at all, commie. > > If someone refuses to pay taxes, the government will murder them, or lock them in a cage. This is in spite of the fact that the person actually earned their money with hard work, when the government tried to hinder them the entire time. That's not only fascist, it's tyrannical. > > ISIS has never once preached for freedom. > > Talk about a lack of education on politics. What are they teaching you guys in school now days? I said charity not taxes but there's never been a successful society in history that didn't use taxes for a good reason. So I still am gonna stand by you being insane by any normal person's standards
> [{quoted}](name=EROTIC RAID BOSS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:47:24.546+0000) > > I said charity not taxes but there's never been a successful society in history that didn't use taxes for a good reason. So I still am gonna stand by you being insane by any normal person's standards Well if you're truly talking about charity, then I have nothing to argue with. Charity is a great thing. Actually, before income taxes, the US had the highest average income in the entire world, and the majority of the income went to the working class. Again, I question what you're learning in school, if you truly think that no successful society has existed without income tax. Sales tax is a different matter, as long as the tax revenue is controlled by the citizenry. When you institute socialist government policies, you unwittingly funnel the vast majority of the income to the upper 1%, through the government.
Aptest (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=EROTIC RAID BOSS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:38:59.405+0000) > A basic breakdown of affirmative action is, if you have 2 equally capable choices of people, subconsciously most people lean towards choosing the person who is most like them. In the US, in which most bosses or, you know, whoever looks at applicants in colleges, are mostly white. So the natural biases means they're mostly choosing more white people over equally capable people of other races, and that continues the cycle since those applicants become the next wave of bosses or whoever. This is def a real thing that happens. > > Affirmative Action is there to make you reconsider and maybe choose the less likely but equally capable minority applicant. And this outreach panel at Pax was the exact same thing You are grossly uninformed about what affirmitive action is, what it's moral and practical grounding is and what it's aimed at achieving. Also there is no such thing as 2 equally capable choices of people.
> [{quoted}](name=Aptest,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=000a00000002,timestamp=2018-09-04T21:01:57.155+0000) > > You are grossly uninformed about what affirmitive action is, what it's moral and practical grounding is and what it's aimed at achieving. > > Also there is no such thing as 2 equally capable choices of people. "Equally capable" is inconsequential. Equality of opportunity is all that matters, not equality of outcome. When you try to force people to have equal outcomes, you infringe on their freedom.
: Riot was right, Daniel Z Klein is right
> [{quoted}](name=NemeBro,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000000000010001,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:48:10.038+0000) > > And if someone refuses to pay their rent, they get kicked out of their home. > > Anyone locked up or killed for refusing to pay their taxes deserved it my friend. Grow a pair of testicles and pay your taxes, your rent one might say, like a good little boy. :) The government doesn't own anything you pay them for though. While the landlord owns the house you're dumb enough to rent, rather than buy. I don't rent, btw, I own. I have paid more in taxes by the time I was 30 than your parents have paid through out your life time, most likely. I'm a business owner, and I work my ass off. I also built it from the ground up, after growing up with a useless, abusive father who refused to work, and beat my mother regularly. Now she lives in a nice house on the hill, and is taken care of for life. Taxation is extortion. The government doesn't own anything and it doesn't provide any useful service -- especially since the free market handles everything far better than the government. The government is nothing but a parasite.
: > [{quoted}](name=DiabolicalDude,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:35:55.391+0000) > > And yet, you can't actually refute it with logic, because it's a logically sound perspective. It's the most insane thing I've ever read that wasn't said by a member of ISIS. Charity is dictated by the Govt that's murdering rich people? The fuck kind of drugs are you on?
> [{quoted}](name=EROTIC RAID BOSS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=00000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:41:01.747+0000) > > It's the most insane thing I've ever read that wasn't said by a member of ISIS. Charity is dictated by the Govt that's murdering rich people? The fuck kind of drugs are you on? I didn't mention rich people at all, commie. If someone refuses to pay taxes, the government will murder them, or lock them in a cage. This is in spite of the fact that the person actually earned their money with hard work, when the government tried to hinder them the entire time. That's not only fascist, it's tyrannical. ISIS has never once preached for freedom. Talk about a lack of education on politics. What are they teaching you guys in school now days?
: > [{quoted}](name=DiabolicalDude,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:35:55.391+0000) > > And yet, you can't actually refute it with logic, because it's a logically sound perspective. It's the most insane thing I've ever read that wasn't said by a member of ISIS. Charity is dictated by the Govt that's murdering rich people? The fuck kind of drugs are you on?
> [{quoted}](name=EROTIC RAID BOSS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=00000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:41:01.747+0000) > > It's the most insane thing I've ever read that wasn't said by a member of ISIS More useless babbling, rather than any logic at all. It amazes me that people like you exist. Even when something is so incredibly stupid, that you can't actually argue for it, you will willfully choose to believe it. No wonder things are so screwed up right now.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Yung Sheets,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:33:55.311+0000) > > Affirmative action _is_ sort of racist/sexist. It implies that entire groups of people need preferential treatment because they are inferior or discriminated against in some form. it certainly is not because they're inferior, it is absolutely because they are discriminated against though, which they are. A basic breakdown of affirmative action is, if you have 2 equally capable choices of people, subconsciously most people lean towards choosing the person who is most like them. In the US, in which most bosses or, you know, whoever looks at applicants in colleges, are mostly white. So the natural biases means they're mostly choosing more white people over equally capable people of other races, and that continues the cycle since those applicants become the next wave of bosses or whoever. This is def a real thing that happens. Affirmative Action is there to make you reconsider and maybe choose the less likely but equally capable minority applicant. And this outreach panel at Pax was the exact same thing
> [{quoted}](name=EROTIC RAID BOSS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:38:59.405+0000) > > it certainly is not because they're inferior, it is absolutely because they are discriminated against though, which they are. > > A basic breakdown of affirmative action is, if you have 2 equally capable choices of people, subconsciously most people lean towards choosing the person who is most like them. In the US, in which most bosses or, you know, whoever looks at applicants in colleges, are mostly white. So the natural biases means they're mostly choosing more white people over equally capable people of other races, and that continues the cycle since those applicants become the next wave of bosses or whoever. This is def a real thing that happens. > > Affirmative Action is there to make you reconsider and maybe choose the less likely but equally capable minority applicant. And this outreach panel at Pax was the exact same thing You're just assuming that everyone is as racist and sexist as you. I don't know a single person who is the way you described here. Affirmative action is racist because it requires people to take specific actions based on nothing more than race. That is, by definition, racist.
: > [{quoted}](name=DiabolicalDude,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:31:20.340+0000) > > Affirmative action is certainly racist, and charity isn't the least bit fair, because it requires the government to rob people at gun point. > > How is this even debatable? Yikes This is the kind of thing I'd only expect a cult member or terrorist to say
> [{quoted}](name=EROTIC RAID BOSS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:34:14.663+0000) > > Yikes > > This is the kind of thing I'd only expect a cult member or terrorist to say You're okay with the government murdering people, stealing from them, and giving a tiny portion of what they steal, to people with smaller incomes? You're okay with passing laws that specifically dictate actions that people have to take, based on the color of someone's skin? Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the "tolerant" left -- where race and sex dictate everything, and freedom is the enemy.
: > [{quoted}](name=DiabolicalDude,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:31:20.340+0000) > > Affirmative action is certainly racist, and charity isn't the least bit fair, because it requires the government to rob people at gun point. > > How is this even debatable? Yikes This is the kind of thing I'd only expect a cult member or terrorist to say
> [{quoted}](name=EROTIC RAID BOSS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:34:14.663+0000) > > Yikes > > This is the kind of thing I'd only expect a cult member or terrorist to say And yet, you can't actually refute it with logic, because it's a logically sound perspective.
: > [{quoted}](name=UnboundHades,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:03:54.784+0000) > > they could of done the same thing in a different room at the same time for everyone and had a separate one for women but instead they made it exclusive to women which leaves a majority of the fanbase out of it because they are trying to get artificial diversity due to them responding to the bs kotaku article. if you dont see the problem with what they have done then you really should stop trying to defend riot in this case especially when dzk is openly sexist this is like calling affirmative action racist, or saying charity is unfair to rich people lol. Morello pointed out on twitter at the same time that they usually only get like 4 women interested in applying to riot at these panels, but this time they got 400. And it's not any more artificial than policies that targeted mostly men, like hiring mainly from male dominated tech colleges or requiring applicants to be so called 'core gamers'. It's course correction sure, is that a bad thing? There's a lot of value in having a diverse team, are they as a company not supposed to go after what they value?
> [{quoted}](name=EROTIC RAID BOSS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kvei3KAe,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-04T20:11:40.559+0000) > > this is like calling affirmative action racist, or saying charity is unfair to rich people lol. > > Morello pointed out on twitter at the same time that they usually only get like 4 women interested in applying to riot at these panels, but this time they got 400. > > And it's not any more artificial than policies that targeted mostly men, like hiring mainly from male dominated tech colleges or requiring applicants to be so called 'core gamers'. It's course correction sure, is that a bad thing? There's a lot of value in having a diverse team, are they as a company not supposed to go after what they value? Affirmative action is certainly racist. If someone passed a law saying that a certain amount of white people had to be hired, people would cry rivers. And charity isn't the least bit fair, because it requires the government to rob people at gun point. How is this even debatable? If you can't apply something across the board, to all sexes, races, and everything inbetween, then it's divisive and bigoted. Basic logic here people.
: Riot was right, Daniel Z Klein is right
Women aren't marginalized in gaming, they're glorified and worshiped. What world do you live in? People need to stop caring about all of this divisive crap so much. We're all human beings.
: > [{quoted}](name=OatheSworn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6waE5uuU,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-19T21:31:39.460+0000) > > I'm about to go into game now so I don't have time to explain, but [here is Riot's official reply](https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/12/ask-riot-urf/). It's almost like people actually enjoy urf and don't really like league without urf. Maybe if they introduced it as a permanent mode with it's own ranked ladder and mode specific rewards people wouldn't just come back to play urf, but to play league for a longer period of time while also enjoying a mode they actually find fun.
> [{quoted}](name=MetaCosmos,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6waE5uuU,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-08-28T03:41:08.301+0000) > > It's almost like people actually enjoy urf and don't really like league without urf. Maybe if they introduced it as a permanent mode with it's own ranked ladder and mode specific rewards people wouldn't just come back to play urf, but to play league for a longer period of time while also enjoying a mode they actually find fun. Exactly. People love URF, so they come back and play it, then quit when it's gone. Riot isn't making URF permanent for other reasons. It has nothing to do with the 50 people out of the entire player base that whine like they're forced to play a mode they don't enjoy, rather than normal LoL. The overwhelming majority of the player base wants URF to be permanent. I guarantee there is some other reason they won't make it permanent. Whether it has something to do with marketing, or the player base swelling when URF is up and they just bring it back when they want to bring the mode back, or whatever it is -- there is some reason they won't bring it back.
: Urf sucks has has ever since the second day it was out the first time when a meta developed. Nexus blitz is actually fun and retaining a fun factor past the first day. Is it perfect? No but I actually enjoy it more than ARAM. It doesn't have the huge problem of 10 champs taking over since it has enough simularties to SR meaning that more than artility mages, healers and poke heavy champs are viable. If I were to order game modes from most to least enjoyable in my expereince it would be Nexus Blitz > ARAM > Doom Bots > Ascension > All for One > Nemesis Draft > URF/ARURF Riot is not going to take the time and use the resources to balance URF which was added as an April Fools joke. And that is literally all I see the mode as. An April fools joke.
> [{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6waE5uuU,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-08-20T03:44:57.343+0000) > > Urf sucks has has ever since the second day it was out the first time when a meta developed. > > Nexus blitz is actually fun and retaining a fun factor past the first day. Is it perfect? No but I actually enjoy it more than ARAM. It doesn't have the huge problem of 10 champs taking over since it has enough simularties to SR meaning that more than artility mages, healers and poke heavy champs are viable. > > If I were to order game modes from most to least enjoyable in my expereince it would be Nexus Blitz > ARAM > Doom Bots > Ascension > All for One > Nemesis Draft > URF/ARURF > > Riot is not going to take the time and use the resources to balance URF which was added as an April Fools joke. And that is literally all I see the mode as. An April fools joke. Well, the vast majority of the player-base prefers URF. When Riot claims that URF causes a massive influx, then a massive dip in player base, that certainly makes sense because a ton of people hear about URF, come back and have fun, then quit because they're sick of the normal game. And since they won't balance URF, it doesn't have much of a shelf life. The fact that so many people prefer URF just goes to show that people do actually want a faster paced mode, with more fights, but the problem with NB is that it's INSANELY snowbally. It's actually far more snowbally than any other mode. The massive love for URF also proves that people love the normal format, they just don't want to play nearly as slow paced. Think about it. We can all agree that we love this game, but alot of people (myself included) will take multiple years off, before coming back and playing again. It really does get stale, and the funnest part about the game is the fighting. NB offers that, but the snowball factor is just far too severe, and the team that wins the first event has a massive advantage. The other thing to consider with the URF love, is the fact that many of those games last a very long time. So it isn't really a matter of wanting a shorter game, but rather, a faster paced game, with more team fights.
: New Irelia Vs Old Irelia
Old Irelia was far better in every way, and alot more fun to play. Especially since they nerfed the new Irelia, she just isn't fun to play. Low win rate, completely reliant on her Q and playing around it, less sustain, less impactful plays available -- you basically just have to try and line up her ult on multiple opponents, then Q across all of them for sustain, without focusing on anyone and dealing alot of damage in team fights. She's basically just a gimmicky champion with a couple of tricks up her sleeve. If those tricks aren't available, she's useless.
: Season 9 is the last chance to stay relevant; League cannot afford another Colossal Cock Up Cascade!
LoL is still the most played, non-mobile video game in the world. It isn't going to disappear in a year, lol. Don't be silly. But yeah, this meta sucks, the new runes are horrible, and I really hope things are better soon.
: This might be unpopular, but I really don't enjoy nexus blitz.
URF , Ascension, and a handful of other modes they've come up with, are all far better than NB. I really don't understand how NB is the one that made them think it could potentially be a permanent mode.
Infernape (EUW)
: You do realise URF is the most polarising mode in the game? A lot of people love it, a lot of people hate it. And when URF is active, Reddit and the boards are full of people bitching about seeing the same 10 OP picks time and time again. If you allow bans that will just move on to the next 10 OP champions.
> [{quoted}](name=FurorDivinus27,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6waE5uuU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-19T21:00:37.872+0000) > > You do realise URF is the most polarising mode in the game? A lot of people love it, a lot of people hate it. And when URF is active, Reddit and the boards are full of people bitching about seeing the same 10 OP picks time and time again. If you allow bans that will just move on to the next 10 OP champions. Well obviously the optimal situation would be a balanced URF, lol. If your only argument against URF is that it isn't balanced, that's a horribly weak argument. If people don't like it, they won't play it. Pretty simple.
: Nexus Blitz is a bit of a slap in the face to Dominion fans and the blow kind of stings
It blows my mind how everyone loves URF (not ARURF) and everyone loved Ascension, but Rito comes up with a new, trash mode, like Nexus Blitz. Both URF and Ascension are miles better than Nexus Blitz. People constantly begged Rito to make URF permanent too, but rather than listen, they came up with something that has a 1.5 -2 minute queue time after only 2 days of being played, lol.
: The men in this game don't have curves.
Who cares? Why is everyone obsessed with playing the victim? Bunch of passified little babies.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=019cIm97,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-02T03:31:03.787+0000) > > Do you mind sharing the conversation you had? I'm a little skeptical that what they said was meant to be received as "being critical of your teammates is against the rules". From Unnamed Rioter: "Blaming others Name calling **Calling out others on their performance Constantly arguing** Spamming chat Telling others to shutup Taunting others You'll want to avoid these behaviors going forward if you'd like to avoid further penalties. In the game where you were playing Udyr, it's definitely a more tame chat, but I do see a lot of arguing and spamming chat that you've given up." I'll bold the part that I believe he's referring to in chat as "arguing" and "calling out performance" where I just criticize my teammates poor back timing at full hp. Keep in mind this games a 4v5 5 minutes into the game and I'm already on edge and mad. In-Game KING IGNOPIUS: i got it KING IGNOPIUS: gotta love dcers KING IGNOPIUS: 3rd one KING IGNOPIUS: in the past day KING IGNOPIUS: ugh **KING IGNOPIUS: that recall ahri :) KING IGNOPIUS: good i died KING IGNOPIUS: bc of your poor decision ** KING IGNOPIUS: :))) KING IGNOPIUS: whatever im out KING IGNOPIUS: no reason to get tilted on a dc KING IGNOPIUS: open mid KING IGNOPIUS: dc KING IGNOPIUS: go next KING IGNOPIUS: im not playing out a 4v5 KING IGNOPIUS: i lose scuttle bc he dcs KING IGNOPIUS: this jinh is d5 0lp KING IGNOPIUS: probably doesnt give af about the game KING IGNOPIUS: hope he gets demoted KING IGNOPIUS: i mena even if we could win this game KING IGNOPIUS: it wouldnt be worth the team KING IGNOPIUS: time* KING IGNOPIUS: we weren't gonna win with jinh dc KING IGNOPIUS: not worthh play it out KING IGNOPIUS: he dcd first im gonna subject myself to an unwinnable game KING IGNOPIUS: nobody flamed KING IGNOPIUS: just its not winnable I want you to be honest if this is really worth a ban.
> [{quoted}](name=KING IGNOPIUS,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=019cIm97,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-08-02T05:06:10.870+0000) > > From Unnamed Rioter: > "Blaming others > Name calling > **Calling out others on their performance > Constantly arguing** > Spamming chat > Telling others to shutup > Taunting others > You'll want to avoid these behaviors going forward if you'd like to avoid further penalties. In the game where you were playing Udyr, it's definitely a more tame chat, but I do see a lot of arguing and spamming chat that you've given up." > > I'll bold the part that I believe he's referring to in chat as "arguing" and "calling out performance" where I just criticize my teammates poor back timing at full hp. Keep in mind this games a 4v5 5 minutes into the game and I'm already on edge and mad. > > In-Game > KING IGNOPIUS: i got it > KING IGNOPIUS: gotta love dcers > KING IGNOPIUS: 3rd one > KING IGNOPIUS: in the past day > KING IGNOPIUS: ugh > **KING IGNOPIUS: that recall ahri :) > KING IGNOPIUS: good i died > KING IGNOPIUS: bc of your poor decision ** > KING IGNOPIUS: :))) > KING IGNOPIUS: whatever im out > KING IGNOPIUS: no reason to get tilted on a dc > KING IGNOPIUS: open mid > KING IGNOPIUS: dc > KING IGNOPIUS: go next > KING IGNOPIUS: im not playing out a 4v5 > KING IGNOPIUS: i lose scuttle bc he dcs > KING IGNOPIUS: this jinh is d5 0lp > KING IGNOPIUS: probably doesnt give af about the game > KING IGNOPIUS: hope he gets demoted > KING IGNOPIUS: i mena even if we could win this game > KING IGNOPIUS: it wouldnt be worth the team > KING IGNOPIUS: time* > KING IGNOPIUS: we weren't gonna win with jinh dc > KING IGNOPIUS: not worthh play it out > KING IGNOPIUS: he dcd first im gonna subject myself to an unwinnable game > KING IGNOPIUS: nobody flamed > KING IGNOPIUS: just its not winnable > > I want you to be honest if this is really worth a ban. Definitely not worth a ban based on the chat, but it looks like you left or went AFK? At which point it's worth some sort of punishment for sure.
SKT ReZa (EUW)
: my feeling about my perma ban in League of Legends
I actually don't care in the least if people talk trash. Why would you? It's a bunch of text on a screen. Grow up.
: You guys want something to help suck you in and forget about this garbage game? Try Warframe
It's a trashy co-op only game. Why the hell would anyone play a multiplayer game without pvp?
DearPear (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Diabolically,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UAu4sjem,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-07-29T19:26:55.940+0000) > > She has one of the lowest win rates in Rito history Well, blame esport and nerfs, her design is a pleasure to play.
> [{quoted}](name=DearPear,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UAu4sjem,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-07-29T19:38:34.401+0000) > > Well, blame esport and nerfs, her design is a pleasure to play. In other words, blame Rito. I agree.
: I wanna find the guy who was in charge of the Irelia Rework
She has one of the lowest win rates in Rito history and her play style is completely different now. She was my all time favorite champ before the rework, but sucks majorly now. She isn't even fun to play.
: His W sustain is meant to help him through the jungle, and his R defense is also partly that. Sure, his Q and E hit harder than autos, but you're meant to use them *in-between* autos. Correct me if I'm wrong, but his E's cooldown is reduced per AA, right? Also, you're meant to build off-tank with him, I believe. If you use your ult, you don't *become* squishy, because you already have innate defenses.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eEsuw5rs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-29T16:57:18.886+0000) > > His W sustain is meant to help him through the jungle, and his R defense is also partly that. > > Sure, his Q and E hit harder than autos, but you're meant to use them *in-between* autos. Correct me if I'm wrong, but his E's cooldown is reduced per AA, right? > > Also, you're meant to build off-tank with him, I believe. If you use your ult, you don't *become* squishy, because you already have innate defenses. So what are you saying exactly? Only use his W in the jungle, but still auto attack champs and mix his abilities in with it? Q is great AOE damage for the jung, but slow travelling and casting, which means that in a 1v1 engagement, it isn't good to mix in with autos, once you already have them slowed, because it takes a very long time to cast. Use it when they're running, but that's about it. E does have it's CD reduced by autos, but it's also slow casting and costs health. When Olaf is low hp, it doesn't make sense to use his E, because you'll kill yourself, and you're attacking fast enough at that point that casting E will probably cost a couple of auto attacks, which are (hopefully) keeping you alive at that point. Olaf just doesn't have a clearly optimal method of engaging in fights. You're basically left wondering, "Should I actually try to unload some damage in this fight, or just try to live?"
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: League is just disappointing now, win or lose it's not fulfilling or even remotely fun at all
I agree with the OP but Irelia sucks and has the lowest win rate in the game. You should probably edit your post and remove her.
: Bring back old runes - Give them to everyone for free - Make reccomended pages for new players.
Isn't it weird how a game that became huge because it was a hardcore pvp game that required thought and tactful decision making, ended up being dumbed down because it supposedly felt bad for being a hardcore pvp game that required thought and tactful decision making?
: Also, they could make them editable in the champion selection screen. That was another reasonable change that had nothing to do with changing the actual runes. But i can't really > Lets give Riot credit that they experiment and change their game all the time. At least they're trying. this system was blatantly flawed conceptually, let alone issues that occurred as a result of it being put into practice. It should've never made it to release, because someone somewhere along the pipeline someone should've been able to point how exactly how the design was flawed and where it was faulty. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/5I5HU8R3-with-the-new-rune-system-revealed
You used to be able to edit your rune pages from the champ select screen, early in the game. I'm not sure why they changed it.
: While im mostly indifferent I'd rather not, old runes were boring all you did was look up "runes for X champiom".
Lol! That might be all you did, but some people like to put thought into their builds. Right now, there are obviously OP choices, but the old rune system allowed you to try multiple builds that were potentially optimal. People who weren't pros would actually come up with rune pages that pros would end up using, when the old system was around. Kind of the same way that non MTG pros will create decks that are amazing, and have a pro pilot it for them.
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