: Now after seeing Old kayle and new Kayle I can agree they need to armor her up, kinda Leona armor style, spandex under but armor filled 3/4 of the buddy but the fact that she remove her helmet as she evolve her ultimate is amazing. Her hair need to go back to blonde tho and her face to be polished but it's a good direction , just need more polishing.
> [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ztZ0VOkM,comment-id=0055,timestamp=2019-02-18T23:48:31.261+0000) > > Now after seeing Old kayle and new Kayle I can agree they need to armor her up, kinda Leona armor style, spandex under but armor filled 3/4 of the buddy but the fact that she remove her helmet as she evolve her ultimate is amazing. Her hair need to go back to blonde tho and her face to be polished but it's a good direction , just need more polishing. Not gonna lie, seeing all of the complaints about Kayle not being armored enough made me scratch my head because she still plays to the power fantasy of being an angel of justice. Flying in and smiting people while also having a pretty insane 3 seconds of divine intervention works really well with that even if she were just going around in standard Biblical Angel style robes and sandals. Being a heavily armored clad warrior woman was always more Leona's thing. Heck, one of her biggest selling points when she came out was "Hey guys, we made a lady tank! She's got a shield and everything! Also has sun powers cause Paladin/Cleric archetypes are cool!" In the skin department, Leona also is pretty much more the armored woman character there. With the exception of Pool Party and Barbecue, she's got Base + 5 skins that have some kind of major armor on her (I guess you could argue Valkyrie is pretty revealing, but it's also going for a kind of mythical style, and while Defender may be a little light in the arms and chest department as far as protection goes, she's still rocking a pretty heavily armored shield maiden look). It's not hard science or anything, but it feels more like the archetype that people want Kayle to be, which Riot may see as overlap. On the flip side, Kayle's got her Base + 4 fully armored skins (Silver and Viridian being recolors, Unmasked being, well, "Kayle without a helmet", and Battle Born being really the only interesting redesign of her armor). Judgment, Aether Wing, Riot, Iron Inquisitor, and Pentakill are all pretty uncovered and sex heavy. But in every single skin, the massive wings and sword are a huge part of her design. Again, its not hard science, but it definitely makes her not as necessarily to be as required to be as tanked up as Leona. And for the record, I'm not saying Kayle SHOULDN'T have more armor - I love the heavily/fully armored warrior woman aesthetic (I'm a Leona main for crying out loud, I would be pissed if they took that aspect of her away). But I also feel like it's not a deal breaker for the character archetype either. Angels can certainly be armored, but they don't have to be to still fit in with the whole "smiting fools with divine justice" angle.
: If you ever find yourself going back to playing support I would recommend giving Zilean a shot. He has enough dmg to carry fights while offering a lot more utility compared to other mage supports. but you still have to build ap.
> [{quoted}](name=Dorans Pants,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FVgblE5H,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-02-09T05:04:38.988+0000) > > If you ever find yourself going back to playing support I would recommend giving Zilean a shot. He has enough dmg to carry fights while offering a lot more utility compared to other mage supports. > > but you still have to build ap. I prefer more tanky Supports like Leona, but I could always give Zilean a shot. Thanks for the suggestion. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: ok, there are multiple scenarios: 1. the support assumes that you can no longer 2v2 and tries to impact mid/jgl and hopes you don´t die immediately. And even if you die it doesn´t really make much of a difference to the support at that point, since the idea is to get, for example, your kassadin rolling so that he kills the fed jinx later. When you play passive all day as a support in a losing lane you still face the risk of getting gangbanged by the enemy team in which case you feed twice the kills to the enemy while not being able to contribute to anything. It is possible to turtle and get back into the game, as laners often become very overconfident and reckless (shoving in, fishing under your turret, going for platings etc.) when they get ahead, which makes them very deceptible to ganks. But this requires the help of your jgl, which means that in 90% of all cases this is not an option for you. Which means the support has to look at what the midlane matchup is. ( is the enemy easy to gank, can he even help? ) What the jglers are up to ( maybe counterjgling is possible ). How good the enemy bot´s engage potential is and how safe you as an adc are. ( how likely it is that you will die trying to cs ) And after processing all that information he will either come to the conclusion that the risk is worth it or he will stick to you and will probably ping the jgler for help. But this assessment requires experience and I assume that supports in your elo are pretty crap at it and just try to do "something" if they have good intentions to begin with. 2. your support is tilted and has giving up on you and pretty much the game, which looks very similar to roaming but is completely different in mentality because this support will not come back and won´t help you later in the game. You can call yourself lucky if he doesn't try to take away as much cs as possible from you to ensure that "it doesn´t get wasted". This begs the question "why would some going out of his way to make an already hard game a 4v5 than trying to help his teammate to catch up?" Because in the minds of tilted supports who are angry at their adcs it´s already a 4v5. But 4v5s can be won. You just have to get the right stupid champ fed. So they will wander about hoping to find "the carry" in their team and if all lanes are losing they usually just give up and troll, because if you are not playing a mage support, the game is over for you at that point and if you do, it´s your fault that you lost the lane in the first place. So good luck and keep in mind that most players in low elo play to win lane and snowball, and I mean first two kills, and don´t really care about much else. Their mental is not very strong, which can be helpful, but sadly, your support will often be one of those players too and it´s hard to keep them content especially if you try to play safe, since all they want to do is being proactive and "win the game now". And don´t play ezreal just because people say that he is safe. Please don´t force your support/team through that hellish experience. It takes so much more effort to be effective with him that´s it´s hard to justify picking him over an reliable early game bully like lucian or an reliable late game monster like vayne and friends.
I'm pretty sure it's the second scenario. I do realize at low elo there is a lot of "win the game now" mentality, and have been paired up with some pretty aggro Supports (usually folks who got autofilled, or at least what I could tell from their abysmal ward score). It's frustrating, but hopefully I can take some of your guys advice and try to work around it in the future. And don't worry, I'm a terrible Ezreal player and I know it. Would never play him in Ranked. :)
: As a former support main for a time I Usually give up when adcs do nothing by farm and dont captialize on poke or cc skills or enemies low hp. As an adc your job is more than just farming just as a support job is protecting the adc helping push/ manage lane and suplimenting the damage if they arent leading the damage also fishing for cc in lane to put yourselves ahead and more importantly the enemy behind. just to say why a support may get mad and leave you. i go to other people playing pro actively and help them
> [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FVgblE5H,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-02-09T04:13:59.246+0000) > > As a former support main for a time I Usually give up when adcs do nothing by farm and dont captialize on poke or cc skills or enemies low hp. As an adc your job is more than just farming just as a support job is protecting the adc helping push/ manage lane and suplimenting the damage if they arent leading the damage also fishing for cc in lane to put yourselves ahead and more importantly the enemy behind But I do try to capitalize on my poke and CC skills on low HP enemies. I mean, this is Bronze elo, so maybe my decisions aren't always the best, and I make mistakes, but I feel like deciding that the ADC is hopeless 3-5 minutes in to the game just is a self-destructive decision. I've certainly spent my fair share of Support games groaning at an ADC's bad play, but I NEVER abandoned them entirely until the laning phase was over. I just sucked it up and dealt with their bad play until we moved to the Team Fight phase, and it was reasonable for me to hang out with our Top who had 8 kills or what not.
: Idk why still nobody explained the behaviour This is ok to roam. As long as their actions result in better outcome, it is fine to do so as support. You should be sticking to your tower and not tilt, as you are carrrying out an important role of holding enemy power and allowing your team to have advantage of 1 more player. As adc it is an important skill to know how to 1x2 , as support is not obligated to stay in your lane. Especially if it comes to supports like {{champion:432}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:12}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:555}} and basically any other champ that applies map pressure.
> [{quoted}](name=ScoundrelRuffian,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FVgblE5H,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-02-09T03:55:55.906+0000) > > Idk why still nobody explained the behaviour > This is ok to roam. As long as their actions result in better outcome, it is fine to do so as support. You should be sticking to your tower and not tilt, as you are carrrying out an important role of holding enemy power and allowing your team to have advantage of 1 more player. > As adc it is an important skill to know how to 1x2 , as support is not obligated to stay in your lane. Especially if it comes to supports like {{champion:432}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:12}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:555}} and basically any other champ that applies map pressure. Again, the problem isn't that the Support is roaming. I used to main Support, I know what it's like to roam to Mid for a kill, especially as Leona (my favorite champion in the game). This is a situation where the Support is literally going "Okay, screw this ADC, I'm going to go Top and never go Bot again for the remainder of the laning phase."
: Okay, so please take this with a grain of salt, because this may come off aggressive/belittling. That is not my intended purpose. You should not be tanking a jungle camp for your jg. Even with a Raka, they may not have started W. Some may be imitating higher elo too and not getting W until 4,5, or 7. If they did start W, then they can heal the jg while they tank their own camp. Consider starting Doran's shield instead of blade. Now, the support should only be roaming when it will help the team. Whioe I don't support what they are doing, I do understand the reasoning. They think providing support for a different player will be more beneficial for the team.
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FVgblE5H,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-09T03:45:46.586+0000) > > Okay, so please take this with a grain of salt, because this may come off aggressive/belittling. That is not my intended purpose. > > You should not be tanking a jungle camp for your jg. Even with a Raka, they may not have started W. Some may be imitating higher elo too and not getting W until 4,5, or 7. If they did start W, then they can heal the jg while they tank their own camp. > > Consider starting Doran's shield instead of blade. > > Now, the support should only be roaming when it will help the team. Whioe I don't support what they are doing, I do understand the reasoning. They think providing support for a different player will be more beneficial for the team. I mean, obviously I wasn't intending to tank it. It just happened, and wasn't sure if I should just abandon it and let it reset or if I should just hold out til he got there, and I chose the latter to try and avoid the Jungle raging for not having a good leash. But clearly that resulted in me making another member of the team rage. {{sticker:sg-zephyr}}
Bazerka (NA)
: Support main here too, fwiw a good support should leave their adc alone at strategic points during the game. This allows them to spread their influence to other lanes and hopefully secure more things. I'd recommend altering your playstyle when your support roams to be a bit safer and cautious of engages or risky cs. GLHF!
> [{quoted}](name=Bazerka,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FVgblE5H,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-09T02:57:35.526+0000) > > Support main here too, fwiw a good support should leave their adc alone at strategic points during the game. This allows them to spread their influence to other lanes and hopefully secure more things. I'd recommend altering your playstyle when your support roams to be a bit safer and cautious of engages or risky cs. GLHF! Oh, no question. I used to be a Support main, but I was struggling with winning a number of games since I couldn't usually carry from that position if the team was behind. I totally respect Supports for roaming and spreading their influence. The problem I've been having has not been that my Supports have been roaming, it's been that they've been abandoning me entirely early in the laning phase and never coming back. Turns bot into a 1v2 situation very early on, and it's challenging to do well when the opponents know they can play extremely aggressively with no consequence.
: No mater how much you tryhard, unless you are smurfing, you can have at best about 60% win rate. All those other 40% are games like that - someone trols or leaves. You must not tilt after a game like that. Also there was a video on youtube about C9 Sneaky being on a 16 game lose streak, so it happens.
> [{quoted}](name=AlQaeda Taliban,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FVgblE5H,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-09T02:20:16.019+0000) > > No mater how much you tryhard, unless you are smurfing, you can have at best about 60% win rate. All those other 40% are games like that - someone trols or leaves. You must not tilt after a game like that. Also there was a video on youtube about C9 Sneaky being on a 16 game lose streak, so it happens. Hey, no disagreements here :) I'm frustrated that those games went like that, but I'm not so salty that I don't realize that I've had some great games since the season started (even ones I've lost). I'm more just trying to figure out the logic and regularity of games where the Support player will just up and rage quit from Bot lane to Top, and what the reasoning behind it is. I assume the idea is "Well, we've already lost Bot, so I'm going to try and make Top win harder", but to me it seems like the XP Leech from a dedicated support up there vs the usual 1v1 with occasional Jungle gank actually makes it so that Top has a harder time in the long run.
  Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Heraimish,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=s3FuK4gH,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-06T21:33:04.315+0000) > > All your ranks are loosely tied together, so if you get to Diamond on top, your ADC rank will probably end up around platinum. Not even close. You get 3 LP as "splash LP" per win so say you won about 150 games to get to diamond on your main role your off role would have barely gone up a few divisions. You MIGHT be in silver.
> [{quoted}](name=Éve,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=s3FuK4gH,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-02-06T22:01:45.796+0000) > > Not even close. You get 3 LP as "splash LP" per win so say you won about 150 games to get to diamond on your main role your off role would have barely gone up a few divisions. You MIGHT be in silver. In fairness, people who are Platinum at one role are not generally going to play at a Platinum Level with every role. You can certainly understand the base mechanics of each role, but unless you play the role a lot, you're not going to be at the same level of skill as, say, a Jungler if you're a Mid main. I switched from playing exclusively Support last season to playing ADC in an attempt to have a little more agency in my games, and while I've improved a lot, I'm still a weaker ADC player than I am a Support player. Obviously, everyone's different, and any evidence I could give would be purely anecdotal, but there's at least some merit to the idea that someone who plays one role almost exclusively should not necessarily be considered to be equally as good at all other roles just because they got to a certain division in ranked with their main role. If anything, I feel like the biggest problem with the role separation is that people are way more likely to not care about a game if they get autofilled - it's not going to hurt their main role very much, so it's more worth their time to just troll and get the game over with faster so they can go back to playing and earning LP on their main role.
: Back when there was actually different strategies to win in this game besides "Pick whoever's broken"
> [{quoted}](name=Lux Tizer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EjvFxlJ7,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-02-19T02:21:11.634+0000) > > Back when there was actually different strategies to win in this game besides "Pick whoever's broken" So... Pre-Alpha. Gotcha. **Edit:** Okay, but seriously, a lot of people will always try and pick the most OP characters and strats they can. It's just the gamer mentality of "do what's best to win the hardest", so complaining that people are doing that is pretty much an exercise in navel gazing. There will always be people who try things out of the normal, and then there will always be people who will play the "who's most broken" game.
: > [{quoted}](name=KempyreanPirate,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=0vVfe28i,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-02-13T20:50:06.890+0000) > > Are there some crooked trees? You bet your ass there are. The forest is still beautiful, though. Except the forest is wilting and more and more people are realizing that. Sadly, no one really seems to want to save the forest within a timely manner.
> [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=0vVfe28i,comment-id=0001000000000004,timestamp=2018-02-14T23:02:37.925+0000) > > Except the forest is wilting and more and more people are realizing that. > > Sadly, no one really seems to want to save the forest within a timely manner. You only think that the forest is wilting because your personal experience tells you that. Just because a tree's leaves have fallen off and it's barren for a time doesn't mean the tree is dead.
: Remove autofill. Problem Solved.
> [{quoted}](name=Jinx Hunter,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2018-02-13T10:16:27.541+0000) > > Remove autofill. Problem Solved. Great. I'll get right on that. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
KeroKai (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Blakiepug,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-02-12T23:11:32.960+0000) > > This is what happens when you try to force Sightstone onto everyone. As much as the community loves to herald Sightstone, it just isn't for everyone. Some players like myself absolutely despise warding and although I have still been buying the new support items myself so that I don't lose my gold income, I can see why others would choose not to. In the past players didn't choose not to buy Sightstone because they wanted to troll. They chose not to build Sightstone because they thought it was boring. I know I am not alone in wanting the old support items back, even if we may be the minority. In the past, support players were even more gimped because they were forced to buy vision wards. You would of hated support back then.
> [{quoted}](name=KeroKai,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2018-02-13T14:56:04.550+0000) > > In the past, support players were even more gimped because they were forced to buy vision wards. > You would of hated support back then. Ah yes, the days of Janna with Doran's Ring and 25 Green Wards. Good times man. Good times. And by that I mean "Oh god we have it so much better now you have no idea you guys." {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}}
: Yeah support is kinda just a role for E-girls and dudes who don't rly feel like playing the game but wanna gain LP so it's kinda frustrating to get autofilled into this "role" that is "essential" for the game so I can relate to these dudes. weirdly enough I haven't been autofilled yet in s8 but if I did i definitely wouldnt be building a support item
> [{quoted}](name=Summoners Drift,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2018-02-13T10:27:03.826+0000) > > Yeah support is kinda just a role for E-girls and dudes who don't rly feel like playing the game but wanna gain LP so it's kinda frustrating to get autofilled into this "role" that is "essential" for the game so I can relate to these dudes. weirdly enough I haven't been autofilled yet in s8 but if I did i definitely wouldnt be building a support item So... you'd rather lose out on free gold and vision because you got autofilled in a role that doesn't get cs? I mean. Sure, your prerogative, I guess? {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
Pika Fox (NA)
: Id recommend playing support yourself, probably an AP mid type support since youre in low ELO so you can better impact the game, so this wont happen to you. Theres nothing else you can really do. People building and playing like trash is their own decision to make. At least this prevents them from making it.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2018-02-13T04:19:30.443+0000) > > Id recommend playing support yourself, probably an AP mid type support since youre in low ELO so you can better impact the game, so this wont happen to you. Theres nothing else you can really do. People building and playing like trash is their own decision to make. At least this prevents them from making it. It's kind of a catch-22. Play support and risk having a carry role do badly, or play a carry role and risk having the support play badly. I actually really like supporting, but I found it very hard to climb in the role last season, so I've been trying to expand my roles to more carry oriented champs. I certainly am not great at it either (my CS is still lacking, and I don't always make the smartest decisions in fights) but the supports not buying a support item is a more tangible problem. I suppose I could play Zyra support again, or pick up something like Lux or Veigar in the role. Maybe Ziggs? I've playing ADC lately to try and have a little more say in pushing and taking towers (cause one of the common mistakes at my elo are that teams are bad about closing out games). I just tend to avoid non-standard supports that don't have synergy with the carry.
: For some reason, they don't seem to realize that if solo laners could use those items without the drawbacks that come from last hitting, they would always build them.
> [{quoted}](name=Daddy Issues,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-02-13T01:47:38.327+0000) > > For some reason, they don't seem to realize that if solo laners could use those items without the drawbacks that come from last hitting, they would always build them. I remember the days when pretty much every game every role built Heart of Gold because the health+gold gain was just too good not to pass up, even if you never upgraded it into anything. Free gold over time is just a really powerful stat. Perhaps lower elo players don't understand that the item does more than just give wards, but I can't say for sure - all I know is that I have played a ton of games where those benefits seem to be ignored in favor of some "better build" by supports who don't usually play the role. (And before anyone else asks: yes, I was bad at the game back during the HoG days too :p)
: > [{quoted}](name=Digital Badger,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=0004000000000001,timestamp=2018-02-13T00:52:23.631+0000) > > Cause I like playing the game? Not sure if this is a legit question or not. > > {{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}} You don't like the game. You only believe you like the game because you're manipulated into saying that you like the game under the belief that something good will happen to you if you do.
> [{quoted}](name=Bael the Riser,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=00040000000000010000,timestamp=2018-02-13T01:58:52.978+0000) > > You don't like the game. You only believe you like the game because you're manipulated into saying that you like the game under the belief that something good will happen to you if you do. K.
: Because we don't know. I'll be honest i got auto filled to support and for the life of me i couldn't figure out what get to buy wards. I used to by sightstone.... that wasn't there anymore. So i just didnt put down 1 ward the whole game. I still don't know what I should buy as a support to be able to put down wards. Pretty much riots recommended items for supports sucks and if you choose an off meta support the recommended items don't help with shit. They keep changing the items every patch. I couldn't care less to read up on support items or support changes because this role is terrible. This is more of a riot issue for constantly changing the game for a role that plays differently than any other role and isn't doing a very good job at helping to set up the people who don't care about it.
> [{quoted}](name=zarxus1234,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-02-13T00:33:36.787+0000) > > Because we don't know. I'll be honest i got auto filled to support and for the life of me i couldn't figure out what get to buy wards. I used to by sightstone.... that wasn't there anymore. So i just didnt put down 1 ward the whole game. I still don't know what I should buy as a support to be able to put down wards. > > Pretty much riots recommended items for supports sucks and if you choose an off meta support the recommended items don't help with shit. They keep changing the items every patch. I couldn't care less to read up on support items or support changes because this role is terrible. > > This is more of a riot issue for constantly changing the game for a role that plays differently than any other role and isn't doing a very good job at helping to set up the people who don't care about it. I suppose that's fair. They do give info to folks through the Patch Notes and such, but not everyone reads those. I still see folks going "Wait, I completed a quest??" when their support item upgrades because they aren't aware of the changes to them. Don't know what the alternative is other than at the beginning of each patch post a "highlights" upon logging in that you aren't allowed to skip for 20 seconds or something, but otherwise it's kind of down to the individual figuring things out.
: > [{quoted}](name=JPLangley,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-02-12T23:13:11.373+0000) > > You're legitimately hindering your team by refusing to ward. That's your opinion. Others believe differently.
> [{quoted}](name=Blakiepug,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2018-02-13T00:46:18.024+0000) > > That's your opinion. Others believe differently. I mean... the mantra of "Wards Win Games" has been around since Season 1, so... you're pushing back against years of understood strategy there.
: > [{quoted}](name=Digital Badger,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-02-12T22:54:16.958+0000) > > I mean, maybe? But I've had a Shen tell me he didn't want to buy Runic Shield because they removed Face of the Mountain, and a Warwick refuse to buy boots because he got MS from his W, so... thinking a lot of it is #justbronzethings more than anything. Uninstall. Why even put up with anymore of this bull shit?
> [{quoted}](name=Bael the Riser,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-02-12T23:15:59.735+0000) > > Uninstall. Why even put up with anymore of this bull shit? Cause I like playing the game? Not sure if this is a legit question or not. {{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}}
Escheton (EUW)
: Spam Zyra support to get out of bronze. Then go back to play whatever you want. One way to avoid getting bad supports.
> [{quoted}](name=Escheton,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-02-12T23:42:27.760+0000) > > Spam Zyra support to get out of bronze. Then go back to play whatever you want. > One way to avoid getting bad supports. I was a Support Main all of season 7. There were a number of games I carried from the role, but most of the time I just watched the game turn into a burning train wreck with no real ability to carry on my own. Maybe I just suck, but Support isn't really supposed to be a carry role. :p
: So? A good lich Sona can do better than the mid laner in the right matchups.
> [{quoted}](name=CSing Support,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-02-12T23:41:41.669+0000) > > So? A **good** lich Sona can do better than the mid laner in the right matchups. Key word being good. I'm in low Bronze. :p I wouldn't even say *I'm* good, just trying to improve my skills and climb and have been noticing a trend that makes games harder than they need to be (lack of wards, support with no gold income, etc). Just cause it CAN work doesn't mean it WILL work.
: > [{quoted}](name=Bael the Riser,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-02-12T23:15:59.735+0000) > > Uninstall. Why even _**put up with anymore of this bull shit**_? Just because he's the OP doesn't mean he's not part of the problem. He's hardstuck low bronze. You can play with only one eye open and squinting without sound and can still win.
> [{quoted}](name=JPLangley,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-12T23:22:06.931+0000) > > Just because he's the OP doesn't mean he's not part of the problem. He's hardstuck low bronze. You can play with only one eye open and squinting without sound and can still win. I'm aware my skills suck. Hence why i'm trying to improve them. Everyone's gotta start somewhere and as much as it would be helpful to be the next Faker and just solo carry the entire team without breaking a sweat, that's... not really where I'm at right now.
: Its not that they don't know how to play Support; its that they don't like you to the point they'd rather not win than try their best for your sake.
> [{quoted}](name=Bael the Riser,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-02-12T22:34:58.235+0000) > > Its not that they don't know how to play Support; its that they don't like you to the point they'd rather not win than try their best for your sake. I mean, maybe? But I've had a Shen tell me he didn't want to buy Runic Shield because they removed Face of the Mountain, and a Warwick refuse to buy boots because he got MS from his W, so... thinking a lot of it is #justbronzethings more than anything.
: > [{quoted}](name=Digital Badger,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-02-12T22:15:20.059+0000) > > I mean, you're not WRONG per se, but generally I find that antagonizing folks will result in their ego getting bruised and playing worse as they go on tilt. You can do it without sounding antagonizing, and still achieve your results. Example: "Hey Lux, since you're support, would you grab Spellthief Edge instead of Doran? You get free gold from Spellthief, and that will help you hit your power spikes better since I need to get all the farm to hit mine. If we can both hit our spikes, we can kick the ever loving ass out of our enemies!"
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-02-12T22:21:25.002+0000) > > You can do it without sounding antagonizing, and still achieve your results. > Example: "Hey Lux, since you're support, would you grab Spellthief Edge instead of Doran? You get free gold from Spellthief, and that will help you hit your power spikes better since I need to get all the farm to hit mine. If we can both hit our spikes, we can kick the ever loving ass out of our enemies!" Hm, that's true. Might give something like that a try. I'm just so used to this community being all "JUST TELL THEM TO DO WHAT YOU WANT OR ELSE THEY'RE GARBAGE" (especially at the lower elos) that I kinda just assumed that's what you meant. Hope that I didn't come off too cranky there. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: Ask them if the want to win. If they say yes, tell them that they will need gold to do that, and that if they buy one of those items, they will have the gold to buy items and carry.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-12T22:11:59.653+0000) > > Ask them if the want to win. If they say yes, tell them that they will need gold to do that, and that if they buy one of those items, they will have the gold to buy items and carry. I mean, you're not WRONG per se, but generally I find that antagonizing folks will result in their ego getting bruised and playing worse as they go on tilt.
: its only because youre bronze. you wont see that in higher elos.
> [{quoted}](name=LaBoyteaux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AlLto4qx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-12T22:07:23.179+0000) > > its only because youre bronze. you wont see that in higher elos. I did assume that was the case, but it's problematic when you're trying to climb out of Bronze. I'm aware that I can't control how other people play, and try my best to just focus on my own skills. Buuuuuut it would be nice to have some kind of alternative strategy to use as a work around (I guess I could get a coin or something if I see the support not leave base with one at the start of the game and sell it or upgrade it as needed, but that feels like a band-aid solution to the bigger problem).
Rioter Comments
: When you're playing support and you get an A+, but your ADC gets and S
"I placed 400 wards and was in 35 of the teams 30 kills and still only got an A+?! Guess I have to place 500 wards and participate in 40 of the teams 30 kills next time while having -12 deaths and -24000 Gold earned, got it."
Nayzumi (NA)
: People dodging over and over should not result in me getting autofilled.
> [{quoted}](name=Nayzumi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=INoWAp52,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-02-02T20:02:19.784+0000) > > This is equivalent to doing my job at work but promoting the person who's on their phone all day and does nothing for the company at all, does that make sense? No, then why is this a system? > You'd be surprised how often that happens in certain fields... It is admittedly kind of unfair and unfun when you get screwed over by it, but it's just kind of the nature of the Autofill mechanics. If they implemented a kind of "Dodge Protection", you run the risk of folks trolling in champ select to get people to dodge if they don't get slated for the primary role they want. "Hmm, I picked Top/Mid, but I got put as Mid and I really want to play Darius Top... So I'm going to insta-lock Ghost-Ignite ADC Soraka and talk like a 13 year old who considers himself to be the next Faker in hopes that someone on my dodges so I can try again to get Top." In order to keep the queue times lower, there's just going to be a certain amount of you not getting the role you want every single time built into the matchmaking. The best solution is play with enough friends that you can just trade roles as you see fit, or actively see if people in champ select are willing to go Support instead of Jungle or Top or what have you - heck, you'd be surprised how many Support Mains trying to learn a new role are more than happy to go back to their comfort zone for a game or two if you just ask.
: but her voice in the cinematic and ingame are different. plus, even with some accessories, there would be no modern clothing in the land of noxus. Like the cat ears and even the backpack.
> [{quoted}](name=Killaburn,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=P4aPLElf,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-02T01:54:11.096+0000) > > but her voice in the cinematic and ingame are different. plus, even with some accessories, there would be no modern clothing in the land of noxus. Like the cat ears and even the backpack. Perhaps not from Noxus itself, but if a group of pioneers or traders from Piltover passed through her area, it's possible they had some quirky stuff with them (after all, champions like Caitlyn, Vi, and Jayce are wearing some pretty strange attire even without the extra Steampunk/Hextech doodads).
Rioter Comments
: Who is Ornns voice actor
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Voice_cast I'm guessing it'll be eventually posted there, assuming it's not withheld for various reasons.
: Some custom made emotes
I won't be happy with the Nasus one until we get a proper Old McNasus skin first. "Old McNasus had his farm - Q, Q, Q, Q, Q!"
: > [{quoted}](name=Digital Badger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qHKeRNqa,comment-id=000b000300000000,timestamp=2017-08-07T18:37:28.079+0000) > > Bet you're REAL fun at parties. > > > > Everyone's state of happiness is unique. He doesn't need your permission. If he want's to devote an hour+ to a video game AND be happy with the choices he's made in his life, that's his deal. You don't need to put people down just because he's pointing that out after you basically said all people who want to play games for extended periods are losers. Go away with that so-called liberal attitude, kid. What if someone's happy choice of life was to be a drug addict? A pedophile? You'd still be fine with it? People who constantly can dedicate 1 hour of time to one single videogame match they cannot interrupt and see no problem with that.... may not have much else to do with their lives, or may have their priorities all wrong.
> [{quoted}](name=LunSeiSleidee,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qHKeRNqa,comment-id=000b0003000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-07T20:32:59.182+0000) > > Go away with that so-called liberal attitude, kid. > > What if someone's happy choice of life was to be a drug addict? A pedophile? You'd still be fine with it? > > People who constantly can dedicate 1 hour of time to one single videogame match they cannot interrupt and see no problem with that.... may not have much else to do with their lives, or may have their priorities all wrong. And you're spending your time on this website... why again?
: this is like one of those facebook buzzfeed videos lol
> [{quoted}](name=Corsair Sion,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BFRYi7xz,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-08-07T18:44:41.486+0000) > > this is like one of those facebook buzzfeed videos lol I think that was intentional. Either to reach FB audiences better or just as kind of a parody/homage/etc to them.
Snow Tea (NA)
: True.... it may need minigame modes where it can be shorter like a 1v1 pit... but the core summoner rift 5v5 map needs to be what it was made to be
> [{quoted}](name=Snow Tea,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qHKeRNqa,comment-id=0022,timestamp=2017-08-07T18:55:25.299+0000) > > True.... it may need minigame modes where it can be shorter like a 1v1 pit... but the core summoner rift 5v5 map needs to be what it was made to be I actually really like Dark Star Singularity because of that. It's a quick game mode to pick up and play and most games rarely hit 15 minutes. Perfect when waiting for friends to finish their match or if I don't have a ton of time but still want to get my LoL fix. ARAM is great too, but it's still a little bit too long for a "quick fix" mode.
: Just a pro tip: people who describe in detail how much their life is good and they totally have everything they want...... are usually people who are only trying to convince themselves.
> [{quoted}](name=LunSeiSleidee,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qHKeRNqa,comment-id=000b00030000,timestamp=2017-08-07T18:04:43.628+0000) > > Just a pro tip: people who describe in detail how much their life is good and they totally have everything they want...... are usually people who are only trying to convince themselves. > Bet you're REAL fun at parties. > [{quoted}](name=LunSeiSleidee,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qHKeRNqa,comment-id=000b00030000,timestamp=2017-08-07T18:04:43.628+0000) > > In fact, if you can constantly find a hour to absolutely dedicate to a match, it means you're doing something wrong with your life and you should stop and consider how come you can always find so much time for ONE videogame match. > Everyone's state of happiness is unique. He doesn't need your permission. If he want's to devote an hour+ to a video game AND be happy with the choices he's made in his life, that's his deal. You don't need to put people down just because he's pointing that out after you basically said all people who want to play games for extended periods are losers.
Paroe (NA)
: Riot does a lot things wrong in their large scale reworks, but theres one thing theyre great at.
> Can you work on supports? Braum and leona could use some love in the damage department... As someone who considers himself a Leona main, I don't really think she needs more damage. Her job is to get in a targets face and lock them down long enough for them to be shredded by her carry. >With how much mobility there is, I really think leonas ult could use a small buff, like the center of it being bigger, or the whole thing being bigger, or the outside slow could slow for more. Something reasonable though, not an outrageous buff like we see riot doing all the time. I like this idea, since it is becoming increasingly difficult to land the full stun off of Leona's Ult due to the increased mobility creep. She's an immobile tank who is dependent on their target making a misstep to pull off her combo, or barring that, landing the ult to set them up long enough for her to make the dive. Sure there are move speed items that make this easier, but on a support's income it can be pretty long before she gets any major items built.
: Okay, RIot. I GIve Up.
It's also tied to your performance compared to other people playing the same champ in the same role (or presumably the same map, since ARAM has no roles). I imagine the top tier players of Kog'Maw in ARAM have a higher KP% and fewer deaths. As much as I understand the struggle to get an S or S+, I also realize that there's a reason why it's so hard to get them: cause there are people who are still notably BETTER at that champ than me, and if I want to be in that elite tier, I have to "git gud". This is sometimes why you'll notice it's way easier to get high ranks on new champs - cause a large chunk of the the player base hasn't figured out fully how to play them yet. If you're a really solid ADC and took to Xayah like ring to a bell when she came out, it wouldn't be that hard to see S ranks pretty regularly until she became more mainstream.
Rioter Comments
Regenos (EUNE)
: How low account hijackers had become
A lot of games have SMS verification these days. Perhaps Riot could look into something similar to try and prevent similar things in the future? Rough luck though. Here's hoping you can get it all sorted out!
: > [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=GnWpsg9k,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-05-11T22:30:35.509+0000) > > What? Armor of the Fifth Age was released in season 1 and it looks nothing like Taric's original design. Really? Huh. I guess I never noticed it existed until after Taric's rework when I heard a some people talking about how it kept a couple elements of Taric's old design that his default new skin didn't. So I guess I was wrong about why it was called "fifth age" then.
> [{quoted}](name=CobaltTheMadMage,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=GnWpsg9k,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-12T03:38:07.953+0000) > > Really? Huh. I guess I never noticed it existed until after Taric's rework when I heard a some people talking about how it kept a couple elements of Taric's old design that his default new skin didn't. > > So I guess I was wrong about why it was called "fifth age" then. If I recall correctly, it's sorta supposed to be a reference to this WoW armor set https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/a/a6/T5_pala_mhuman.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070326101514 This was back when LoL was still connected to it's old DOTA roots and making references to things gamers might find amusing and relevant at the time. https://tieattack.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/pink-taric.jpg They put their own cheeky spin on it with the leg muffs, cause to be fair... pink armor is sort of a weird color for a paladin-like character (but hey, what can you do if you want them smexy stats?) It's also the skin that brought the "Taric is Gay" theory to life, cause he looks... well, not gonna lie, fabulous. With the rework, they totally drifted away from that portrayal of him, but kept the angle of him being a pretty boy who was super confident. https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/5/58/Taric_ArmoroftheFifthAgeSkin.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20170304044417 So he still looks "truly outrageous" in his new skin, but his sexuality is left intentionally nebulous so the skin appeals to people beyond those who are looking for the "LOL, TARIC LOOKS SO GAY!" angle.
: The most annoying thing is when you die saving a teammate and they're the ones who ping you to fall back. Maybe if your dumb ass fell back earlier you wouldn't have to ping my lifeless, limp and scorched corpse.
> [{quoted}](name=OverpoweredSoap,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=LNbfs7nV,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-03T02:58:27.096+0000) > > The most annoying thing is when you die saving a teammate and they're the ones who ping you to fall back. > > Maybe if your dumb ass fell back earlier you wouldn't have to ping my lifeless, limp and scorched corpse. Preach it. Happens to me all the time, especially when I go a tanky support like {{champion:89}} . Bonus points for them doing that, then going back in because they think they can get a kill on an enemy I got to lowish health and dying anyway. (I'm looking at YOU {{champion:67}} !)
: If Caitlyn gave a single solitary f#@$ what the aristocracy thought of her she wouldn't have recruited Vi.
> [{quoted}](name=HalfTangible,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=l4NUHbgg,comment-id=00010003000000000001,timestamp=2017-04-28T05:37:59.817+0000) > > If Caitlyn gave a single solitary f#@$ what the aristocracy thought of her she wouldn't have recruited Vi. Also a good point - you could easily argue that she dresses the way she does because she wants to. What average citizen is going to stop a legitimate League Champion from dressing the way they want? From some of the other story updates they've done, it's clear that the Champs powers still exist outside of the Rift (such as Janna's wind powers). "Sheriff, the Piltover Council would appreciate it if you started wearing something more... um... professional." *90 Caliber Net to the Face* "...Touché."
Jeddy017 (NA)
: Because at the end of the day, Cait is still suppose to be a respectable enforcer of the law. Just because she's an aristocrat, it doesn't mean she has to look like some (I'm sorry if this offend anyone) stripper. She can look a little bit more classy like this: https://40.media.tumblr.com/f10e2930525c4338ee0be1f6b7b9eab1/tumblr_nrnfq1KLmF1qk32lpo1_1280.png This guy did a great VU concept thread for Cait: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/NEMQNoeN-caitlyn-visual-update-concept-20
> [{quoted}](name=Jeddy017,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=l4NUHbgg,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2017-04-28T03:19:04.690+0000) > > Because at the end of the day, Cait is still suppose to be a respectable enforcer of the law. Just because she's an aristocrat, it doesn't mean she has to look like some (I'm sorry if this offend anyone) stripper. She can look a little bit more classy like this: > > https://40.media.tumblr.com/f10e2930525c4338ee0be1f6b7b9eab1/tumblr_nrnfq1KLmF1qk32lpo1_1280.png > > This guy did a great VU concept thread for Cait: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/NEMQNoeN-caitlyn-visual-update-concept-20 Oh hey, I remember that thread. :) Friend of mine did some color variations for that (looks like the tumblr links are broken though). I do like how they keep some of the steampunk aesthetic while being more like an actual law enforcement uniform. Not that she necessarily needs that, but for the sake of the discussion it's definitely a neat direction that keeps her still feeling like a "prim and proper sheriff". Also would allow for her to keep some of her sassier lines ("Sorry boys, I left the fuzzy cuffs at home") intact while still being dressed for police business. I do think that's kind of what the concern that was raised in the Ask Riot reply - they're all for characters being sexy, but they sort of want it to be because of who they are and not just for the sake of T&A. So she could totally still be coy, flirty, etc, even if her outfit is more professional or proper. Also, for the record, I don't hate Caitlyn's current design (though a lot of that is probably because it's what I'm used to). JinxyLord's statement just got me thinking about how Riot might consider changing her if she really is in a spot where they think her design "makes no sense" for her character.
: Was it that? I thought the complaints were more of a disagreement between the Fiora fans and Riot on where and how Fiora should be. I, of course, think that you are referring to her VGU and Art where there was a massive backlash that Riot themselves found unable to ignore.I never really felt the argument was about her being more of a "french stereotype", but it was also a while ago so I might be wrong. As for the whole, I can see the misunderstanding in the lore of how one can be viewed differently from reading it and would recommend reading it since they are actually good reads with a lot of intrigues.
> [{quoted}](name=FearfullLuck,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=l4NUHbgg,comment-id=00010001000100000000,timestamp=2017-04-28T02:52:26.862+0000) > > Was it that? I thought the complaints were more of a disagreement between the Fiora fans and Riot on where and how Fiora should be. I, of course, think that you are referring to her VGU and Art where there was a massive backlash that Riot themselves found unable to ignore.I never really felt the argument was about her being more of a "french stereotype", but it was also a while ago so I might be wrong. > > As for the whole, I can see the misunderstanding in the lore of how one can be viewed differently from reading it and would recommend reading it since they are actually good reads with a lot of intrigues. It's very possible I'm remembering that incorrectly, so I'll err on the side of your description. And honestly, I've really liked their latest lore updates. Really fleshed out a lot more than the paragraph or so that was originally on the old character pages or little snippets from the old Journal of Justice posts.
: I don't think Vayne is the "Batman" of Runeterra now with how dark she is, (killing her mentor/mother figure and doing things that people can find stupid and exciting is a big no-no to Batman), but I do find that role fits a lot better on Cati now. I think there was a role reverse at some point.
> [{quoted}](name=FearfullLuck,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=l4NUHbgg,comment-id=000100010001,timestamp=2017-04-28T01:31:01.800+0000) > > I don't think Vayne is the "Batman" of Runeterra now with how dark she is, (killing her mentor/mother figure and doing things that people can find stupid and exciting is a big no-no to Batman), but I do find that role fits a lot better on Cati now. > I think there was a role reverse at some point. Admittedly I'm not up to date on Vayne's lore either, at least beyond the "purge with silver" angle she's always on about. But that also goes to show how characters can be perceived outside of their written lore. I vaguely recall Riot got complaints about this with the Fiora rework because they made her more of a stereotypical haughty french duelist instead of just a beautiful swordswoman who happened to have an accent.
: Why does caits look make sense she was born into a wealthy family that was murdered and then she decided to become a police officer. Her dress shows a bit of aristocracy. I fail to see how caits design doesnt fit her character
> [{quoted}](name=fallenreaper88,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=l4NUHbgg,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-28T00:47:05.736+0000) > > Why does caits look make sense she was born into a wealthy family that was murdered and then she decided to become a police officer. Her dress shows a bit of aristocracy. I fail to see how caits design doesnt fit her character To be fair, that story makes her sound kind of like Runterra's version of Batman, which is sorta Vayne's angle (well, that and pretty blatantly dressing like she was in one of the Underworld movies). But still, that is a pretty legitimate question. Not to mention Vi, the other member of Piltover's finest, doesn't exactly look like your average constable in her base skin splash art (and I'm not even talking about the gauntlets - unless we're to take that frilly corsets are just standard issue female uniform for the Piltover PD).
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