Barkley (NA)
: You're right, google searches aren't a valuable metric used by multi-billion dollar corporations around the world to project popularity or relevancy. Search results and search queries aren't used worldwide as a measurement for anything, and aren't in and of themselves a billion dollar industry. Ya got me. U rite. I, too, am glad we have big brained people on the boards who know more about data analysis than everyone else, even though publicly traded fortune 500 companies who make more money in an hour than you do in a lifetime would disagree. And jeez, what business did I have citing a small, homegrown startup like Google, anyway. What was I thinking.
“Fortune 500 companies”, ah, stock companies who try and make a quick profit based on current _rise in popularity_. Google metrics show if something is bubbling in popularity, not how popular it is. Like if you look at Donald Trumps graph, it shows that it spiked at 100 in 2016 and fell off a cliff. Guess no one is talking about Trump anymore and everyone stopped paying attention to him, completely irrelevant xd. Or maybe it’s because that’s the time when people didn’t know anything about him and had to google him. But hey, let’s not use too much logic around here! The fact that you don’t even know what google trends are indicative of and can only appeal to authority as an “argument” goes to show how clueless you are. Pathetic
Barkley (NA)
: ...... it has been. lol. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=league%20of%20legends Edit: Idk sometimes that link works and sometimes it doesn't -- anyway, just go to google trends, set it to 5 years, worldwide, and search "League of Legends" There's been a steady downward trajectory.
Yeah, because less people googling league of legends means the game Is dying. Or maybe, just maybe, when a game is this popular people don’t need to google it. Ranked players/twitch viewership has been fine and only increased from S6 to end of S8. Only dropping now with the release of TFT. But thank god we have big brained analysts on the boards telling it to us like it is using google trends. Bravo dude.
Barkley (NA)
: The boards summed up in one post so you don't have to go read all of them
Thank god. Game has been dying for 6 years according to boards. See you in 5 years.
: how to carry a bad team as support
Answer: you don’t. If you are substantially better than the enemy team/your team then you shouldn’t play support to carry. It will take more games on support than let’s say mid lane to climb. It’s possible - but slower. This comes from a few things: you can’t manage waves for your team, you can’t stop your carries from sucking in teamfights or getting caught regardless of how fed you get them, you can’t really do objectives yourself.
: Remember when Shaco had a 55% WR for a week and he got hotfixed.. But Riven is fine?
: Oh damn, interesting, although i agree your teamates can be rng bad, that being said if you play 10 games the likely hood that your play has 0 impact on being able to win and you rng'd teamates that bad is maybe 3 of the 10, maybe you get 3 in a row but you still be able to climb if you keep playing especially since 3 in 10 of rhe other teams will have thr same bad luck
Well it’s different for Faker. What are the chances that Faker can find a match with 9 other players at his skill level? Close to none. His team mates and opponents will almost always be worse than him, so he just has to hope that his teammates aren’t too bad. What are the chances that random joe can find 9 other players of equal skill? Pretty high.
: Your matchmaking is shit Riot
Matches could be “evenly made” and still snowball out of control. There’s a reason game times have only gone down on average a couple of minutes in the past 4 years even though people think old games were so much slower. In SoloQ people don’t know or don’t care to play from behind. I’ve had plenty of comebacks where people on my team don’t babyrage and actually say something constructive in chat (I have ult I in 18 seconds, we fight mid) etc. Not to mention current meta matchups snowball hard. Your bot matchup going 0/8 isnt because one player is objectively worse - one person probably fucked up abd that matchup snowballed out of control. Next game the Adc could be 8/0 against the same opponent. It happens. ESPECIALLY in bot lane when one missed or hit ability can result in a double kill EASILY. Instead most games peoole just flame jungle and lose as quick as possible.
: I'm glad it's no longer relevant I believe it reflects how far (aka low) the game has come. Game's so desperate they give you rewards for watching pro play. No disrespect, but... in your dreams, Rito. That shit is more boring than knitting with Grandma. If you want pro play to succeed how about fixing your game, your ABSOLUTE GARBAGE CAN CLIENT, and no more new boring champs you desperately try to make "cool" then maybe I'll give a fuck about where your company is headed. HeY i knOw! Untargetable chAmpIonS (bOnuS poInts iF theY have a MiLLiOn dAsHeS oR iNVisIbiLity) wiLl bRiNg pLaYErz BaCk! Die. Not you, I mean your game.
It was never profitable and it was even less profitable in previous seasons than now. But ok.
: > [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EVef97gW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-25T07:38:43.866+0000) > > No, Mages are not "leaving mid lane" at all. > > Using u.gg as my source, here is the top 15 mid laners in Patch 9.14 > > > https://i.gyazo.com/89465c06ba91ef6e2eea85e7a8b3ea75.png > > > 7/15 are AP Mages. Don't say '7 out of 15 are ap' as if its an 'aha, I got you with my logic' moment, that's only because there are more ap characters than there are ad. If you don't count Qiyana since she's still new and people haven't learned how to play her well, then THERE ARE ONLY TWO AD ASSASSINS THAT EXIST IN THE ENTIRE GAME TO BEGIN WITH. **AND BOTH OF THEM STILL MANAGE TO CRACK THE TOP FUCKING TEN MIDLANERS LIST AHEAD OF THE ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF AP CHARACTERS OUT THERE.**
Based on pick rate and not win rate. In terms of win rate mages dominate. https://i.ibb.co/CtZPWsK/2-E34-E48-A-7038-4-FB7-8-CCB-FD21-FC5-E9-E57.png First AD assassin is rank 14 behind 9 mages. Stats only matter if they support ur narrative tho.
hoganftw (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Jng Account,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5bPETxtE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-24T22:43:38.258+0000) > > Damage meta was wanted by the western player base; shorter game time was wanted by the player base; the lack of monster champions is because western players don't play them; the old rune system was strongly protested by the western community as being too boring for only providing raw stats; the rigid bot centric meta is because western players cry whenever there's anything other than adc and enchanter played at bot; western players were also the one who bullied Morello out of a job in the first place for his style favouring nerfing over buffing which the western players used to tote the "buff don't nerf" and now we're in an overloading meta etc etc. Hell, Riot even made the meta so snowbally and deathbally just so the western teams could win more in pro scene since that's the meta they like and are good at, despite constant saying they like the more strategic meta (spoiler: they don't). > > Western player was the reason why the game is it today. Riot made just about 95% of the decisions based on western players' feedback. > > In the end, we made our own bed, but we're just too embarrassed to sleep in it. That is all. Adapt or leave. > > TLDR - You can't please westrern players, their mentality is different from Asian one, where Asians adapt, western player will whine and cry. I hate to say it, but the whole flashy characters and quicker games feels like it caters more towards the Asian market.
Straight up false. Asian market ate up games like Starcraft and were best at the old “slow” league. Shooting/fighting games that have way more action are more popular in the West. Besides boards, on Reddit and twitter people are bitching that the meta is getting slower. You must live in a shell of boardsthink if you actually believe the shit you just said.
: Season 5, upon Juggernaut patch, was when Riot decided to eliminate meaningful weaknesses in champion design. Season 6 was the worst for ranked gameplay due to dynamic queue. Season 7 was when Riot pushed for snowbally high kill games. Season 8 destroyed balance with Runes Reforged Season 9 has done nothing to fix the problems or lasting effects of previous seasons.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AqMulAq9,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-25T00:08:05.880+0000) > > Season 5, upon Juggernaut patch, was when Riot decided to eliminate meaningful weaknesses in champion design. > Season 6 was the worst for ranked gameplay due to dynamic queue. > Season 7 was when Riot pushed for snowbally high kill games. > Season 8 destroyed balance with Runes Reforged > Season 9 has done nothing to fix the problems or lasting effects of previous seasons. Season 7 had some of the slowest metas to date. Season 8 midseasin is when snowbally high kill games became a thing again.
: Not a single meta ADC builds lifesteal before 4 items. The meta ADCs are Sivir/Kaisa/Ezreal/Xayah/sometimes Jinx btw. Don’t respond before you fact check. You are unbelievably wrong. Nothing more I can say without violating board rules.
ADCs besides Draven building bloodthirster first is not indicative of the meta but rather the level of play of your opponents. I don’t think you will meet many Dravens that are any good anyways. It’s okay though, because they can build bloodthirster first and get away with it when they’re against your support rammus building thornmail for some reason. Plus what you’re pretty much saying is Riot should cater their game to people who are extremely bad, and fuck it up for anyone who actually puts any time in it and play at any decent level. Okay.
: > [{quoted}](name=Disembark,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AMbfsp11,comment-id=000a0001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-24T15:22:43.033+0000) > > Absolutely unreal. Don’t bother responding. The quality of your posts is making it hard for me to not get a boards chat restrict. Fair enough. I'm quite enjoying the discussion, please excuse me for assuming you were as well. (o\_ _)o There's probably nothing to be gained by further discussion anyway, since we're clearly not going to change any minds one way or the other. Although there is one thing I need to address for general clarification. > Not to mention you say stuff like “life steal” when in 90% of games in most elos ADCs never get to the point where they can build a life steal item. Also you said support rammus, which in general means underleveled and definitely underfarmed. Setting aside the fact that, again, I never said I wanted Support Rammus to 1v1, merely that his ability to do so due to Thornmail was proof that the damage was too high... I've played everywhere from Bronze V to Gold II, and lifesteal is generally one of the first things most ADCs build towards, so I'm not sure where you're getting this from. "Most ELOs" may mean Diamond+, but that only accounts for 17% of the player base despite having more actual tiers, so I'm not sure what this is meant to mean. Regardless, lifesteal is more prevalent than you suppose with this comment, in my experience. Far more.
Not a single meta ADC builds lifesteal before 4 items. The meta ADCs are Sivir/Kaisa/Ezreal/Xayah/sometimes Jinx btw. Don’t respond before you fact check. You are unbelievably wrong. Nothing more I can say without violating board rules.
Antenora (EUW)
: Thornmail also isn't meant to make you immortal. It's fine rn.
When I read these posts I really can’t imagine what game they’re playing or what’s going on. Are they 40minutes in and astounded that their thornmail isn’t making them invincible? If thornmail is your first or second item (not really meant to be, but if it is), none of those champions are bursting you. Reality is tank items suck but they’re nowhere as bad as I hear here. I mean, it was fun to play tanks in S6 or S5 when I could be 0/2 as a tank and still clap your cheeks the second I built my sunfire cape. Unhealthy as fuck though.
: > [{quoted}](name=Disembark,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AMbfsp11,comment-id=000a00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-23T19:04:44.466+0000) > > I didn’t base it off a theoretical game, I based it off what you said happened. Did you now? > [{quoted}](name=Disembark,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AMbfsp11,comment-id=000a0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-22T14:24:41.475+0000) > > Are you asking why you can’t have your underleveled no item having ass just 1v1 an ADC with no brain usage whatsoever? Your words. I never said underlevel, I never said no items. I said Rammus with Thornmail used to destroy ADCs. I never even said I wanted that; I used it as an example of the damage meta having gotten out of hand. _You_ decided to concoct this theoretical scenario in which I was underlevel and had no items, but still destroyed an ADC 1v1 with Rammus. Most likely, I'd bet, to make me look like a whiny fool who's upset that I can't stomp despite being a no-skill hack. Especially foolish when Thornmail was literally the focal point of the discussion, don't you think? > Don’t even bother addressing the rest of my post though, cause tbh it makes you look ridiculous. I didn't address the rest of the post because I saw no point. I disagree with your assessment, you'll disagree with mine, and neither of us is going to change the other's mind. But since you insist... No, Thornmail is not as effective as it used to be. On _paper_, it's a better item now. It has more versatility. The problems it has: 1. You can't force someone to attack you (again, unless you're Rammus), which negates about half its effectiveness as listed. 2. True Damage is getting extremely prevalent, and there are many ways to strip armor on top of this. An armor bonus isn't a huge deal anymore; not like it used to be. 3. 250 health is _trivial_ for a tank. Any late game ADC can cut through that in just under one second. It _used_ to be useful because it forced high-burst auto champions like Vayne and Yasuo to think twice before they just bowled into the teamfight. If you got a taunt on them, it was a _huge_ danger. Again, I'm not saying it should have been this way to the extent it was. Merely that the damage had gotten so obscene that it was unintentionally destroying many champions from their own ridiculous damage. However, cutting the rate of reflection would have been far preferable to removing it entirely.
“Old thornmail was good cuz it made people think twice before hitting you” “New thornmail grevious wounds suck cuz u can’t force someone to attack you”. Not to mention you say stuff like “life steal” when in 90% of games in most elos ADCs never get to the point where they can build a life steal item. Also you said support rammus, which in general means underleveled and definitely underfarmed. Once again, you mention “late game ADC” and once again I have to assume you’re whining because you can’t 1v1 a _late game hypercarry_ with their items as a _support_. And once again you complain about “damage being high” but just want to do more damage yourself, and don’t care for the other benefits thornmail provides now (btw thornmail was a trolltier item before it’s rework - hardly built - and is way better now). Absolutely unreal. Don’t bother responding. The quality of your posts is making it hard for me to not get a boards chat restrict.
: Riot next week: We decided to remove our forums since there was no activity, and from now own you can post on reddit while we have more slaves and bots to censor everything that isn't esport, and submit a bugs via tickets, we don't care about them anyway until we see them in a live stream esport tournament.
> [{quoted}](name=Garen is adopted,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6p3WuPj3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-23T12:09:08.641+0000) > > Riot next week: We decided to remove our forums since there was no activity, and from now own you can post on reddit while we have more slaves and bots to censor everything that isn't esport, and submit a bugs via tickets, we don't care about them anyway until we see them in a live stream esport tournament. Front page right now: https://i.ibb.co/wCNZkTw/8-AAD8-DA0-41-D6-43-D3-8-DEF-C1086-B9-FDDA2.png Yeah, only esports. This just shows how people on boards upvote blatantly false info or posts. Maybe if 99% of the posts weren’t hot garbage and if the “well thought out” suggestions weren’t laughably bad, then maybe Riot would pay attention. (No, writing a lot of text doesn’t make a post “well thought out” when it’s full of shit that’s blatantly false). There are more people actively looking for master+ duoQ games in the league subreddit discord than master+ people that have posted here in the past month. No shit they’re going to listen to the forum that has more people who actually know how to play the game.
: > [{quoted}](name=Disembark,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AMbfsp11,comment-id=000a000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-22T21:47:22.512+0000) > > What are you even saying. A level 6 Yi with 1 item can melt a level 18 rammus? What did I just read. Ignoring that... > What I'm saying is that you were predicating your criticism on a theoretical game that didn't actually happen. Something you invented in your mind. This comment was meant to show you how ridiculous it is to predicate an argument on that. It was sarcasm.
I didn’t base it off a theoretical game, I based it off what you said happened. Don’t even bother addressing the rest of my post though, cause tbh it makes you look ridiculous.
: > [{quoted}](name=Disembark,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AMbfsp11,comment-id=000a0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-22T14:24:41.475+0000) > > Umm. A rammus that isn’t support can comfortably 1v1 an ADC. Are you asking why you can’t have your underleveled no item having ass just 1v1 an ADC with no brain usage whatsoever? > > Maybe try using even one second to think before you blame the game itself. Lmao. As long as we're speaking of theoretical games that didn't happen, maybe I'm level 18 and a level 6 Yi with a single completed item is melting my fed Rammus in a half a hit. Come on, don't weigh in if your argument is going to be that weak. Of course I don't expect to trample an ADC 1v1 with a support. I just don't expect that ADC to be able to trample _me_. I brought up the Thornmail situation as an illustration that the damage was getting too high. It wasn't that Rammus was amazing, it's that AD champions were getting _obscenely_ powerful, such that the old Thornmail was actually doing more damage to them than I should ever have been able to inflict. That gutting it was necessary to mask the fact that damage was rapidly spiraling out of control.
What are you even saying. A level 6 Yi with 1 item can melt a level 18 rammus? What did I just read. Ignoring that... Thornmail is a way better tank item now than it was before. Before it gave 90 flat armour and did more damage. Now it gives health, AS reduction, grevious wounds, and also armour. So your solution to having too much damage is... giving a tank item less tankiness and more damage. Not to even mention if I was playing support rammus, as I have, and rushed thornmail, I would fucking _easily_ 1v1 the adc (besides maybe Vayne). If you expect to 1v1 the ADC as a support when they have their 4-5 items, then you’re just delusional.
: > [{quoted}](name=crippler38,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AMbfsp11,comment-id=000a00010000,timestamp=2019-07-22T03:14:43.778+0000) > > Is someone else helping you kill the ADC? Or are you asking for Rammus to kill someone with full tank and Thornmail within a taunt or so? I'm asking for an ADC to not be able to solo a tank. I don't need Rammus to kill the ADC alone, I need the ADC to fear the tank without backup. An ADC shouldn't be able to duel a tank with impunity. It runs contrary to the concept of the ADC. Marksmen are supposed to be dangerous in teamfights. They can deal big damage without needing to rely on abilities, meaning they don't need to worry so much about mana or cooldowns. The tradeoff is that they're at risk by themselves. This is why they lane with supports. This is why they're supposed to stay at the back in teamfights. If an ADC gets caught out, they should be punished for it big time. They shouldn't be able to stand in place and demolish a tank 1v1 because they have enough raw damage to lifesteal through any damage or CC they take.
Umm. A rammus that isn’t support can comfortably 1v1 an ADC. Are you asking why you can’t have your underleveled no item having ass just 1v1 an ADC with no brain usage whatsoever? Maybe try using even one second to think before you blame the game itself. Lmao.
: > [{quoted}](name=Mavëríck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eHp1VY3V,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-07-13T19:12:08.995+0000) > > Or they're on a smurf account trying to get fresh MMR to sneak past their current rank on their main. (Gold 2 main here :3) No I mean like someone plays ADC since the season started and then has this huge winstreak on Riven. Then they go back to playing ADC and on a huge loss streak.
Then why are you asking this question? You know how they got in your games: they bought a boost or an account.
: > [{quoted}](name=Infernape,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lFLAfMsJ,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-07-13T14:14:03.708+0000) > > Laughs in support main. I still love how playing support removes autofilled when support isn't even the least picked role.
Support is still the least picked role in 90% of elos in SoloQ iirc. It’s gotten better and jungle and top have gotten worse - so the margin is less.
: Actually impossile to climb in flex.
Climbing in flex is stupid easy. It's difficult for me not to reach plat in flex queue even playing shit like Zed support or off roles.
: Yes, because me mentioning the upcoming Blitz and Renekton buffs that will literally fuck over shield supports that aren't on live servers yet is totally going to be shown in current win rates.
"worse than it already is". lmao. 2 champions countering shields isn't going to ruin their consistent 52%+ win rates. I swear shield support players just whine cause they don't realize how broken their stupid ass champions are.
: Nothing feels worse than watching Riot nerf shield supports again. Can't wait for those Renekton and Blitz changes to make it to live and make my ability to support even worse than it already is.
Yeah shield supports are so bad... https://i.ibb.co/Wvs7csW/EBF315-DE-A68-D-41-D3-AC9-A-B01-FBC445-DCD.png
: Cries in Viktor. Got nerfed repeatedly for abusing Iceborn and Klepto top lane whilst simultaneously being meh in the mid lane. Of course everyone knows why Iceborn and Klepto are kept being available for ranged champions; {{champion:81}} .
Well Viktor is also pretty toxic in mid lane when he’s good. If he has good power on his Q he becomes a weird ranged bruiser just kiting around melee champs. Too much power on his E just means he can afk waveclear and scale to his monstrous lategame. They just need to make his ult less shit.
Yets4240 (NA)
: Not one shot, maybe, but a three item Kaisa can deal over 2k DPS premitigation. If they had 4-5 items, they could burn through those stats (and assuming 125 MR, note that Kaisa does a metric fuckton of free magic damage while building full AS/AD/crit) in under 2 seconds.
Except Kaisas most meta build is mostly AP items but ok.
HeartVine (OCE)
: When someone calls LoL shit and says they're going to uninstall
https://cdn.dopl3r.com/memes_files/calling-a-game-shit-and-never-play-it-again-calling-a-game-shit-and-stil-play-it-everyday-qxhf6.jpg
: Mages need to land skillshots to one shot
Lol. So you can spam 1000+ range skillshots every 5 seconds and if you hit them you get heavily rewarded. Yep. I dodged 27 lux binds, but cause I got hit by 1 I deserve to die instantly. Don’t worry though, her ulti will be back up before you respawn. Wow. So much skill. Good job dude.
Haze97 (EUW)
: What bs. If you were going 5/1, not even a Zed who is a level below you would kill you reliably.
Well first of all, no. He probably wouldn’t. Also Zed isn’t even that good tbfh. He’s no where on the level of bullshit like Eve/Akali/Irelia/Sylas/Rengar where you might as well afk cause if they want to kill you they will.
: Years of ghostcrawler favorism towards adcs and now botlaners are basically the only players left. Who else wants to play this shit. We are fully back into s7. I have zero impact over the outcome of the game. Man what a time s8 was when you could for once actually play league of legends.
Except ADC was one of if not the most popular roles back in the "old days" cause you could actually carry. Now ADC in most elos has a much lower playrate. Sure is fun being 5/1 and getting 1-shot by anything that moves. Love all these stupid fucking champs like Sylas/Irelia/Akali that make the game unplayable as ADC. And whenever they get nerfed the next cancer comes out that makes bot lane unplayable.
Zac x Me (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=OilegibtKoile,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KX1mrOuu,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-01T21:50:38.737+0000) > > But... but... I have no agency over my games!!!!!!! Rito decides my games with matchmaking reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Of course it's decided by matchmaking. Winning streaks are followed by losing streaks and impossible to win matches that end in a loss within the first 15 minutes without surrender.
> [{quoted}](name=Zac x Me,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KX1mrOuu,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-01T21:52:47.601+0000) > > Of course it's decided by matchmaking. > Winning streaks are followed by losing streaks and impossible to win matches that end in a loss within the first 15 minutes without surrender. And yet some people are hardstuck silver while others are hardstuck Diamond. Even on multiple accounts. But I’m sure it’s all luck.
Dokkaebi (EUNE)
: Throwback to Rito refusing ranked ARAM because of the RNG factor
Stupid analogy. TFT rewards a lot of RNG in a single game and allows you to strategize as your rolls change and the players you are against change. Just because 99% of people on boards don't know how to play TFT doesn't mean it's a complete RNG game (tbh 99% of boards don't even really know how to play league so how tf would you think they learned TFT). You are given health _as a resource_ in TFT and no, the 3 item player doesn't "instantly win". You barely lose any health at the start and if anyone here used more than a single brain cell it is easy to comeback in TFT if you're the better player and manage your resources well. Much like Poker, the best Poker players will always win in the end. ARAM on the other hand will be won in champ select in majority of games, so you're stuck in a losing game for 15+min. This has got to be the worst analogy in the world. And once again, complete lack of critical thinking from boards.
: >Except this whole analogy is stupid. You are punished way more for eating a spell than an auto attack. For most mages, missing your spell and having no cooldowns puts you in a vulnerable state and any person with awareness knows that and can punish you for it. >Also it’s much harder to constantly dodge a 1100 range ability than not let the adc walk up and auto you at less than 600 range. You deserve to get downvoted but you won’t. If you can't sidestep projectiles you deserve to be morg ccd. If you can't sidestep projectiles you deserve to be morg ccd. If you can't sidestep projectiles you deserve to be morg ccd. If you can't sidestep projectiles you deserve to be morg ccd. If you can't sidestep projectiles you deserve to be morg ccd. I also think you're forgetting that jinx rockets do splash damage. Mf q goes to next traget and as such ends up being rather easy to hit. Lucian can dash in. Ezreal can also dash in. Kaisa also has a speed up and a dash, Tristana also has a dash. Jee wow, it's almost like adcs are given the tools to dodge and avoid mage damage, but because a mage is NOT an idiot and hits them, they should be punished. Now to reiterate what you said back to you You deserve to get downvoted but you won’t. because boards hates the ideas of mages bot lane and wants to go back to leone the tank one shotting shit left and fucking right.
Mages don't get punished for missing their spells because their long ass ranges and mages also have auto attacks (I know, suprising - adcs can't just start walking up and autoing a Lux when she misses a spell because she'll win the trade just fucking autoing you with her shield). "Idiot gets hit by them" fucking lmao. You can spam your abilities off cooldown and a single morg or lux bind results in instant death. Good shit. I have to dodge an ability every 10 seconds or die instantly. Huge skill from mages. But what would you know? You're getting duo boosted by your adc while you get to afk throw spells on your mage and now are on boards to convince yourself that you climbed through your sheer skill. Lol.
: > [{quoted}](name=Disembark,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mGENPbgO,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2019-06-30T23:57:29.761+0000) > > “Small percentage”. Some of these streamers have 1mil+ subs on YouTube and get 10K+ viewers on twitch. > > Not to mention most people that watch streams are probably more invested than your casual couple games a week guy (aka your unranked/Arams players). > > You underestimate how much influence streamers have on the playerbase. There's about 80 mil players in League, so it's indeed a fraction...
NA has 1.7mil ranked players at the end of the season, and not all of them are active. Europe servers have about 5 mil at the end. Other than that no one watches English streamers. And most of NA streamer fans are from NA.
: CORRECT. At least a bullet hell gives you a *chance* to avoid the bullets. Of course, given that the OP is an ADC main, you and I are both probably about the get downvoted to oblivion.
Except this whole analogy is stupid. You are punished way more for eating a spell than an auto attack. Also it’s much harder to constantly dodge a 1100 range ability than not let the adc walk up and auto you at less than 600 range. You deserve to get downvoted but you won’t.
Zardo (NA)
: You're lucky. I have to deal with {{champion:111}} every game as an ADC. At least against mages I can bait out the enemy's spells by auto canceling on minions, but against naut he'll just run behind the minion wave and hook me with his lane sized hook if I don't concede the entire wave.
Well that can only really work if your support is brain dead, which is often the case in lower elo.
: Streamers are only a *small* reason; the viewers those toxic streamers have are only a fraction of the playerbase. But yeah, remember when players started running it down mid because of Tyler1's ID ban? And now people are playing Teemo support because of NB3 or Nubrac's bans
“Small percentage”. Some of these streamers have 1mil+ subs on YouTube and get 10K+ viewers on twitch. Not to mention most people that watch streams are probably more invested than your casual couple games a week guy (aka your unranked/Arams players). You underestimate how much influence streamers have on the playerbase.
Moody P (NA)
: bro just be fine with mages top clicking you for free damage like Neeko and if you ever try to play aggressively you get snare locked and murdered, just be fine with that just fucking lol at bringing up ADC patch when they were the only class who has NEVER had serious competition in their lane and that shift only lasted for all of like 3 patches before we were back to marksmen being the 99% pick rate bot class
Well tbh the adc patch didn’t add “diversity”, probably the opposite. It was like: “you know how Cassio, Swain and Vlad are OP in mid and top? Well now they’re OP bot lane too, haha”.
Rioter Comments
: Oh yeah i saw aatrox 1v9 that game. 1/3 entirely useless but atleast he somehow got a triple when they just ran into him at the nexus. Remember people ranged targeted nukes that kill in max three AAs=good game design, very healthy, lots of counterplay Slow ass, useless piece of shit that dies in his Q animation in the same time it takes an ADC to autoattack twice=broken, 1v9s every game, league basically unplayable. Aatrox high presence has another reason than you might think. Besides, that is literally the only thing you can jerk off to, ONE bruiser that is legitimately playable because his entire design screams "GOOD FOR COORDINATED PLAY" out of the biggest roster of champions and people here fuckin lose their shit. Like just looking at the stats, fuckin sona deals more dmg than aatrox lmao. Get outta here please.
OH YEAH, one bruiser. Are you straight up delusional? Irelia with super high presence. Camille popping back into the meta, mostly in top lane but also jungle. Also oocassional Fiora, and conquerer Hecarim that only just fell out of the meta. I wonder why Irelia and Aatrox have almost 70% ban rate and not these op champions like _Corki_. (fucking lmao). Straight up brain damaged dude. That's what happens when you only watch one LEC game and base your entire opinion off that. Your post quality is so awful it is actually embarassing that it's allowed on the boards.
: They are busy jerking off to a corki or sivir killing everyone in two autoattacks. As well as the caster colorizing what happens for us: OH GOD LOOK AT NEMESIS AND HE CRITS OH WOW WHAT A PLAYER TWO AUTO CRITS AND THE ADC IS DEAD OH WOW WHAT EXCITING GAMEPLAY. What a fuckin degenerate shitshow this game has become...AGAIN
Like how you only mention ADCs. Lmao, fucking _Corki_ is the problem according to you. I’m so done. Let’s just ignore Aatrox 1v5ing teams cause duhh bruiser balanced, skillshot balanced.
: Name me a single time Riot ever said that they were to make him good top when they made those extremely questionable patch 9.9 changes. Go ahead I'll wait. They definitely 100% intended to kill support though yeah.
They continuously nerfed his peeling and buffed his damage and dueling power. But ok.
CD8 (NA)
: Just had a match against a grandmaster, master, diamond and 2 plats.
You were playing flex queue. Everyone had a similar flex ranking. Fix your posts lmao.
Jamaree (NA)
: No one complained about old Akali because she didn't get played, and when she did, people realized how cancer a "have the stats to survive my level six or die" no counterplay champion she was.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XsM8jHxp,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-21T07:58:08.969+0000) > > No one complained about old Akali because she didn't get played, and when she did, people realized how cancer a "have the stats to survive my level six or die" no counterplay champion she was. Same shit happened with Aatrox. People are like "rework is a failure" when their asses probably played against old Aatrox once in their career. Old Aatrox was stupid as fuck and the new one is way healthier.
: It's abuse when non-intended users become the primary users of an item without the item receiving changes to compensate for a user-base consisting of champions who not only weren't meant for the item but also are much better with it. This goes for anything. TK top abuse is TK changes meant for bot lane that ended up making him beat every melee top laner and thus causing him to become a top laner. Essentially, abuse = unintended use of something which causes it to be overbearing (mos of the time just means overbearing, but we as players define "intended use" via patch notes, dev notes, etc.)
TK changes were made for Top TK to be good and to kill support TK. Clueless.
: > [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hab072cf,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-21T18:02:11.502+0000) > > You see, ezreal isn't an OP champ or anything. But he has a good fan base that want to play him. > We re not asking for nerfs on ezreal (at least I am not). > by definition, if a champ has been floating between A and S tier for 6 years I'm pretty sure they're overpowered, especially on a massive playerbase > What I would like is ezreal to be balanced around being a trinity force adc like he used to be. And have the items BUFFED for other champions. > why? trinity force has much of the same issue, the triforce build gets a frozen mallet > For example, IBG. If it was melee only, would anyone mind a lot if it was buffed to compete as a tank item vs bruisers? > Did you see my post regarding the issues pertaining to the three transformation champions and what has happened in the past? also I can't see it being any better of an item if it were 'melee only' since its current power level is the max it can be before something like fizz or ekko comes in and goes full tank > I just don't like the idea of a champion needing the items to be relevant, and at the same time be _the only champion_ on whom the items are even viable/competitive. > Again, Iceborn AND manamune are both built on jayce and have both been built on jayce since his release, they're not his core build anymore but that's simply due to imbalances in his kit regarding lethality, which riot has stated a yearning to nerf. That can't be done if there isn't a viable alternative for him to build into, and his healthiest role historically, as well as his initially intended role, was that of a B tier ADC meets a B tier bruiser. > At least that's how I perceive the situation. I just firmly disagree that a single champion should ever be the catalyst for the removal of an item, I'd rather have that specific champion have a situational nerf in relation to that item.
Ezreal has only been good in competitive for 6 years, and only really in the hands of Korean players who practice him a fuck ton at the highest level. Even then he falls out of the meta. He's been shit for a lot of the past 3 years, wtf are you talking about. He was shit all through the ardent meta era for like a year (season 7 MSI to season 8 mid) where he came back due to double tear (because the item got reworked for mages, and was straight up OP). Fell out of the meta until 8.11 which gutted all crit ADCs. He's also been pretty shit in SoloQ for long periods of time. He doesn't even really build bork right now so shows how much you know about the champion.
: {{item:3147}} {{item:3814}} {{item:3142}} {{item:3036}} {{item:3071}} . Should we call all AD assassins OP too? Along with the marksmen and divers&juggernauts who can build both {{item:3071}} {{item:3036}} ? If having a lot of penetration in your build was all it took to be OP then the list would be near endless. And infact AD would be stronger because they have access to both {{item:3071}} {{item:3036}} while mages "only" have {{item:3135}} . There is also no armor equivalent of {{item:3194}} .
2800 gold gets you 33 mpen. Built on every mage. 2900 gold gets you 21 lethality, 5800 gets you 39 (doesn’t even translate to armour pen till level 18). Void staff gives you even more % pen, and all around stats whereas LDR gives you less arm pen and less stats for around the same price. Every AP champ builds these mpen items. Doesn’t matter if it’s rumble, Vlad, Kennen, or a Leblanc. Whereas lethality items are only built by a handful of AD champs and LW is super situational whereas void staff is mandatory in any 6 item build. You can’t fonvince anyone with a brain that arm pen beats mpen in this game.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=L0wYFEYi,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-06-16T15:37:00.986+0000) > > You can hear the assassin mains screaming already Plenty of AP assassins pissed about instalosing any lane against a Zed or Talon with nullifying orb because they don't have an equivalent to it. This will make AP assassins suck less ass even if any AP assassin besides Akali is still worse than a Zed in scaling and doesn't match Talon's roams. AP assassins and bruisers need a lot better items. Currently AD champs have steraks/PD, guardian angel, death's dance (try playing Zed with death's dance, it's an instant win against any mage or assassin since they can't burst you faster than you can them), and edge of night. AP assassins/bruisers only have Zhonyas, with a niche rod of ages consolation price for extra beefiness if they know a game can go that long, but many AP assassins only benefit partially from it as they are manaless.
This is just untrue. A lot of AP assassins scale well. A Fizz/Kassadin/Eve will probably be able to 1v1 a Zed in the late game. Or have stronger early/mid games, or more utility, such as Leblanc or Ekko. Or compare it someone like talon, who has a stronger lane phases but is easier to 1v1 in the late game.
: Warding and playing safe doesnt stop ganks, it just makes bad junglers not WANT to gank. Good junglers will and always have, just straight up dove and killed you. Yes it can end poorly 1 outa every 9 times it happens, but riot made sure to nerf stop watch 8 times so it could never happen again.
A good jungle will just lane gank. Now you have two situations: you try and keep the freeze but you have to threaten them off the wave (which opens you up to dying to the lane gank). Or let the enemy shove the wave under your tower, which will bounce back and open you up to a lane gank. Yeah... and jungler doesn’t lose shit for camping your lane cause camps are worthless.
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