Hotarµ (NA)
: If you break the rules, you get punished. It's that simple. Yes, you can make multiple accounts. Yes, you can do whatever you want on those accounts until you get punished. This goes for every game or service in existence, _it's not limited just to Riot. _ Take responsibility for your actions, stop looking for a way to blame the system. Good luck.
Don't worry I will, I promise not to be toxic anymore. But before that I want a clear picture of the system before I let this matter go. You still haven't been able to clearly deny that as long as you don't do extreme toxic things you have a high chance of getting away with being toxic. Not getting a 14 day ban and you will never get perma-banned. So just don't get a 14 day ban through zero-tolerance phrases and keep limits to toxicity and you can consistently be toxic. These few things is what I have managed to ascertain from your comments, my previous time as a league player before my 14 day ban. I have been PRETTY toxic before but until I used a zero tolerance phrase I don't think I was ever really punished for maybe years.
Hotarµ (NA)
: >Okay but this just doesn't change the fact that they are dishing out unequal punishments. They decide its okay to let people randomly go? No. If you want rules, they need to apply to everyone. And they do. Tyler1 was banned the same way you were. He broke the rules and was punished. The only reason he was un-ID-banned is because he reformed and stopped the behavior he was exhibiting before. ID-bans are also different from account bans, neither you or Tyler1 will receive their accounts back. >I have reported many people for being toxic. Yet none of them get banned. Do you think this helps people reform? Is that what riot thinks? Do you think players feel good and try their best when they see themselves getting punished but no one else getting punished? IFS messages are inconsistent. You, me, and every other player in the game has absolutely no way of knowing who does or doesn't get punished. Don't dwell on it so much. Normal, positive players don't get punished for no reason. You got punished for toxicity (evident by your chat logs), don't try to separate yourself from people who break rules. >When riot won't try to help the players reform aside from straight up punishing them, how can they expect them to reform and see change in the community? Why does Riot have to monitor your behavior? At what point do _you_ take responsibility for _your_ actions? Nobody forced you to call your Karthus a dumbass, nobody forced you to go back and forth with your teammates all game, nobody forced you to even use the chat. Self control goes a long way. Sorry, but there's nobody to blame here but yourself. There's only so much that Riot is responsible for.
Maybe, but from what you say, there's nothing stopping anyone who was perma banned to create a new account continue to be toxic as long as this person never incurs a 14 day ban by using zero-tolerance phrases and they are free. Because until I got a 14 day ban, this was the case for me when knowing for a FACT I was reported. So I guess thanks Riot for the message you are trying to send? Basically know your limits and you're good right? Thats what they are telling us with this system.
: Because you ignored all previous warnings and punishments, giving proof you are incapable of comprehending you are doing anything wrong or fixing your behavior.
No I have been trying to fix myself. I have been attempting to lower the amount of times I am toxic and ignore people. HOwever when I get really mad I lash out but to a low level of toxicity at the point which riot almost 100% lets players get away with it.
Jo0o (NA)
: Not exactly. The system has a shitload of leniency built into it, you can get away with plenty of low-key toxicity before your first 10-game chat restriction. Your log above wouldn't get you a chat restriction on a clean account _by itself_, but if you made a habit of such logs, you'd eventually get restricted. And of course, as you've seen, having reached the 14-day ban tier means any misbehavior at all and your account gets roasted.
I am aware. I know I was toxic all the time, and I never got punished until I said a zero-tolerance phrases which i regret and never repeated. That's the only reason I was watched. Trust me, lots of players can confirm this.
Jo0o (NA)
: They dish out equal punishments. You just aren't a Riot employee and therefore don't have access to see the results of your reports. Doesn't mean they don't work.
When Riot penalizes a player they send a report to you saying your report got someone penalized. So yes you do know they don't dish out equal punishments. And before I got my 14 day ban I know people reported me when I was toxic and until I said a zero-tolerance phrase I wasn't ever punished. I know they don't dish out equal punishments for a fact. Many players do. They have an ambiguous system you only figure out after getting perma banned.
: not after you are already flagged as a toxic player, hence the 14 day ban. what is the point of arguing and flaming ? that just creates a toxic environment in the game . toxic = punishable after a 14 ban the next punishment is perma
The point most players see in it is because they feel they get punished and none others do for doing the same thing and riot expects people to reform. Yet others as long as certain key words aren't expressed they can always get away because of the instant feedback system. Yet players think its okay to be at that level where players don't get banned but those punishments apply to them. So for example I create a new account and as long as I avoid certain zero-tolerance phrases and I am toxic I am almost guaranteed to get away with it every single time with the very rare occurence that I don't. But if I get punished for zero-tolerance phrases only then do the punishments that don't apply to other players come into affect on me. For example arguing is enough to get me perma banned as can be seen from the chat.
Hotarµ (NA)
: Tyler1 wasn't unbanned, he had his _ID ban_ lifted, meaning he's free to play the game again so long as he makes a new account. His banned accounts were not unbanned. Also, you're not allowed to sue for anything surrounding punishments because of the TOS we agreed to when we signed up to play League.
Okay but this just doesn't change the fact that they are dishing out unequal punishments. They decide its okay to let people randomly go? No. If you want rules, they need to apply to everyone. I have reported many people for being toxic. Yet none of them get banned. Do you think this helps people reform? Is that what riot thinks? Do you think players feel good and try their best when they see themselves getting punished but no one else getting punished? When riot won't try to help the players reform aside from straight up punishing them, how can they expect them to reform and see change in the community?
: on its own maybe its not worth a chat restriction but the fact is you had a 14 day ban and didnt change /reformed it takes months /100s of games with no infractions to get out of the limbo of being perma banned after that 14 day ban. you have no one to blame but yourself
I tried to change, but I argued with someone? Is arguing not allowed as well? Am I not allowed to question someone? The rules say you can't question other teammates and argue their actions either? Then whats the point of team games and team chat? Who decided a system like this?
Hotarµ (NA)
: As you rise through the punishment ladder (10 game chat restriction > 25 game chat restriction > 14 day gameplay ban > permanent ban) your account is placed on thinner and thinner ice each time. It takes consistent positive actions to restore your account's standing, also meaning that _any_ negative action can push your account into the next tier. >Dominish: Karthus did I say your dumbass could leave mid? >Dominish: tbh this jg is trash >Dominish: if you dont have the ability to do two things at once why do it? Dominish: eve dont tell me to do something else just so you can screw yourself up None of your language is acceptable throughout this match. You're constantly going back and forth with your teammates, ultimately taking your focus off of the game and not being constructive. When you just got off a 14 day ban, this type of behavior will push you to the next punishment tier.
If riot can unban tyler1 for much worse, then how come this not okay? They have wishy-washy standards with no clear criteria many people can confirm that don't deal out equal punishments and some people get out of something scot-free. Is this okay? Are they allowed to discriminate? Isn't this grounds to sue?
Hotarµ (NA)
: As you rise through the punishment ladder (10 game chat restriction > 25 game chat restriction > 14 day gameplay ban > permanent ban) your account is placed on thinner and thinner ice each time. It takes consistent positive actions to restore your account's standing, also meaning that _any_ negative action can push your account into the next tier. >Dominish: Karthus did I say your dumbass could leave mid? >Dominish: tbh this jg is trash >Dominish: if you dont have the ability to do two things at once why do it? Dominish: eve dont tell me to do something else just so you can screw yourself up None of your language is acceptable throughout this match. You're constantly going back and forth with your teammates, ultimately taking your focus off of the game and not being constructive. When you just got off a 14 day ban, this type of behavior will push you to the next punishment tier.
I got a 14 day out of nowhere without any restrictions prior that I remember for a long while.
Jo0o (NA)
: Well, your two-week ban looks like it ended about three weeks ago, at which point you'd have been warned against further bad behavior at the risk of a perma. Your account was on its final warning, so any breach of conduct would result in a perma. You're quick to claim that you weren't insulting, but you're just arguing pedantics at this point. Fact is, you put your teammates on blast the entire game, keeping a constant argument going and making sure that you made as many people upset as you were capable of. That's classic, textbook toxicity, and I can't fathom engaging in such behavior when you knew how thin the ice was that you were on.
So because I was on thin ice I have no right to argue? I wasn't insulting? I was questioning my teammate. As someone trying to win do i not have the right? Do I have to play along for everything? On what basis did the other guy not get penalty. On what basis does this level of toxicity get punished yet worse gets nothing? Its not equal penalties so how it valid? Arguing pendantics? Can't I? Is there a rule that says I can't argue? On what basis are you saying I was the one who made a blast on the entire teammates when I was supporting the argument of another teammate?
: so im gonna guess you just came off a 14 day ban? if so then your next punishment is typically always a perma banned
I came off 14 day ban at the end of December maybe, but in most cases this amount of toxicity is not enough for a warning or chat restriction or anything like that. Yet they just decide to ban me for this? That's too much considering many other players who I reported for much worse get no type of punishment. How is this fair? This is just discrimination. I didn't really even insult too much I questioned everything the other players did, and I feel as a team member doing that is something I have a right to. If I want to win can't I question their actions in the hopes they'll do something different? And did the other person who I was talking to who did heavily insult me get ANY sort of ban? Based on what are they dealing any sort of punishment for this one? Because the guy on my team asked the enemy team to report me and I didn't tell them to report him instead? Their system of penalties is biased and full of discrimination because it doesn't allow for equal penalties. Some people get no punishment for worse yet I got a perma ban. This leap is too much.
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: I believe you lose it if you afk or something like that, im not really sure tho. Its not really worth it to that upset about it since if you can get into promos mulitple times then all you need is just one win. Even if it bugs on you every other time you will eventually get promoted, purely off of luck
> [{quoted}](name=DaTrout77,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LjFvEqPN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-08T07:05:40.293+0000) > > I believe you lose it if you afk or something like that, im not really sure tho. Its not really worth it to that upset about it since if you can get into promos mulitple times then all you need is just one win. Even if it bugs on you every other time you will eventually get promoted, purely off of luck I haven't went AFK in game. Also following this 3 people on my team had their client crashed so that resulted in another loss. Thanks riot.
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: Towers need a buff really bad
The towers are good in that one mode where you use only half the map for summoner's rift
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Dominish (NA)
: Which champion should I get from Assassin updates?
Would Zed be any good for these requirements?
: pantheon he acts like an assassin, builds the assassins ad items but is more or a fighter/slayer
No I want someone from the new Assassin rework or riven.
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: Road to Pre-Season: Assassin Update
They nerferd{{champion:39}} so much I think she has a right to a rework. Riot please work on her instead of ignoring her constantly. There is never anything done concerning Irelia unless it is nerfs.
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