: Stop making the frostfang timer for taking cs stack
Riot doesn't care about Supports though. QuQ
Yenn (NA)
: Since Udyr is getting a new skin, can we have some changes to make him useful beyond 15 minutes?
Udyr needs a rework in general. Phoenix Stance could probably be made into an actual ultimate to give him an actual power spike. Udyr can't ever be strong because he's never *weak*. You can flash an Ori ult. You can flash a Nid spear. You can't really flash Bear Stance, AA, Tiger Stance, AA, AA, AA, AA etc. There's just no room for skill expression in Udyr's kit. Even Yi can time his Q to dodge stuff. They need to give him SOMETHING. Phoenix also currently suffers from the fact that Tiamat basically invalidates its existence by doing AoE clear better and more easily than it ever could.
: Why does a support need damage?
> [{quoted}](name=oLnPeVerna,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=00JGs8zu,comment-id=0002000000030000,timestamp=2019-08-13T17:15:02.850+0000) > > Why does a support need damage? Because otherwise they turn into nothing but a heal bot. No one likes fighting a heal bot. Also, even supports need wave clear. Ex. Sona's shitty Q clear.
Gliave (OCE)
: Why do champs for some reason become tanks for no reason?
Level advantage. Leveling gives something like a 1k gold advantage.
: Didnt soraka just get damage buffs on her Q this patch? While Karma got shied nerfs?
> [{quoted}](name=oLnPeVerna,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=00JGs8zu,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-08-11T00:29:18.294+0000) > > Didnt soraka just get damage buffs on her Q this patch? While Karma got shied nerfs? Soraka's Q has also had its damage nerfed multiple times in the past.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Done25,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QOln6Zhs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-10T16:40:45.418+0000) > > Instead of Black Cleaver you should go Lord Dom to get that tasty 100% armor penetration. Doesn't work that way. Armor Penetration stacks **multiplicatively** not additively. And Black Cleaver is not armor penetration... It's armor REDUCTION.   Armor reduction is calculated in a very specific priority system which is   Armor reduction (flat) -> Armor reduction (Percentage) -> Armor Penetration (Percentage) -> Lethality
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QOln6Zhs,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-08-10T18:51:59.892+0000) > > Doesn't work that way. > > Armor Penetration stacks **multiplicatively** not additively. > > And Black Cleaver is not armor penetration... It's armor REDUCTION. > >   > > Armor reduction is calculated in a very specific priority system which is > >   > > > Armor reduction (flat) -> Armor reduction (Percentage) -> Armor Penetration (Percentage) -> Lethality Uh, yes? That's the point? {{item:3036}} {{item:3147}} {{item:3142}} {{item:3814}} LD reduces the armor down, then lethality kicks in to bring it even further close to 0.
: Pyke is a stupid idea
Instead of Black Cleaver you should go Lord Dom to get that tasty 100% armor penetration.
aDpRegan (NA)
: Need an opinion on a rammus build
Ditch {{item:3078}} {{item:3800}} get {{item:3742}} {{item:3001}}
: What if Pyke didn't share kill gold with his allies?
Because then he'd stop being a "support".
: Noob trap? Spellthief's is still the best starting item for supports who benefit from AP and want to poke. I'd only take Coin over Spellthief's if the lane matchup was so bad that poking the enemy would be more risky than its worth. Pro players still regularly build it on supports like Nami, Karma, Janna, Yuumi, etc. How is it a noob trap? lmao.
> [{quoted}](name=TheUrbanKitsune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JZ9xNRF5,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-08T01:39:54.945+0000) > > Noob trap? Spellthief's is still the best starting item for supports who benefit from AP and want to poke. > I'd only take Coin over Spellthief's if the lane matchup was so bad that poking the enemy would be more risky than its worth. > Pro players still regularly build it on supports like Nami, Karma, Janna, Yuumi, etc. > How is it a noob trap? lmao. ST is bad on a lot of champs who have trouble safely proccing it outside of lane. It'll be strong early on, but then their income takes a nose dive. A big thing that bad support players do is that they don't CS after lane. Are you off warding Darke/Baron and a big wave is pushing down the side lane? Walk over and snag yourself 100~120 gold that would otherwise go to tower.
JerCBow (NA)
: Hey Riot, about the Champion Balance Framework you told us about...
Yuumi's sheer safety means that she could do zero damage and pro would *still* pick her. Because she's **reliable**. A fed Soraka/Janna/Nami can be killed off by a sneaky Zed. Yuumi can't.
Εlin (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Done25,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Uv5LQFNV,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-03T11:39:30.302+0000) > > The passive only works once per copy. You're better off getting a Spell Binder if you want more raw AP rather than a second hat. Thank you!
> [{quoted}](name=Vel Κoz,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Uv5LQFNV,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-03T11:40:14.135+0000) > > Thank you! Welcome. ^_^
: Why remove 3v3?
It can keep the Crystal Scar company.
Εlin (EUW)
: Buying more rabadon deathcaps = works or not?
The passive only works once per copy. You're better off getting a Spell Binder if you want more raw AP rather than a second hat.
: {{champion:64}} Trackers Knife was cancer
> [{quoted}](name=Aletheiacracy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TgOuiVOR,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-21T23:46:45.142+0000) > > {{champion:64}} > Lee Sin is cancer ftfy
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Done25,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JTLcNu9H,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-20T21:57:47.661+0000) > > Make it heal something like 50% max HP over 10 seconds after a takedown. No.
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JTLcNu9H,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-21T08:59:54.044+0000) > > No. Yes.
: TANKS NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS
Make it heal something like 50% max HP over 10 seconds after a takedown.
: I am always getting support, wtf?
If you play mid you can play Lux/Brand/Vel'koz/Karma/etc.
: > [{quoted}](name=Done25,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yi76cp4W,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T23:30:00.371+0000) > > All they need to do is weaken his early game by having his passive heavily scale over levels like it used to. (or put it back onto his ultimate so he has to put points into it for his damage)
> [{quoted}](name=Tahminatrix ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yi76cp4W,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-19T02:05:01.137+0000) > > (or put it back onto his ultimate so he has to put points into it for his damage) Basically the same thing.
: He needs a rework. There are times when risks with a new champ design end up being good. Tahm is not one of those. He needs to be made a little more generic.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yi76cp4W,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-18T19:21:37.399+0000) > > He needs a rework. There are times when risks with a new champ design end up being good. Tahm is not one of those. He needs to be made a little more generic. All they need to do is weaken his early game by having his passive heavily scale over levels like it used to.
: I still can't believe they released Dunkmaster Ivern
It was a really disappointing skin, yes.
: Rate my yuumi build and skill max order
You have a good concept, but you're going about it the wrong way: {{item:3098}} (No pots as you shouldn't be getting hit. Even if you do get hit you have your heal.) {{item:1082}} (Build stacks.) {{item:3174}} (A massive boon to your heal due to its low HP amp nature) {{item:3285}} (Q poke) {{item:3089}} (An amp for your by now solid AP base) {{item:3041}} (If you've gotten it stacked up and feel confident you can hold the stacks.) {{item:3504}} (Combos well with Athene's) {{item:2065}} (More Zoom for your allies to help them position) Aery Manaflow Transcendence Gathering Storm Font of Life (Ardent/Athene procs) Revitalize (So good with your E+Athene at low HP.) Scaling CDR Flat AP MR rune Proof: [My near 70% win rate on Yuumi.](https://imgur.com/hcjABzQ)
: Why Pyke?
Perhaps one day they'll figure out that a kill hungry assassin makes for a very conflicted "support".
: They cancelled it because the rest of the rework was bad.
> [{quoted}](name=IcebornKing,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uByQwtjX,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-26T21:11:17.872+0000) > > They cancelled it because the rest of the rework was bad. They should have kept that part.
: Can we delete tank Karma top?
Riot almost did. They were going to change her HP% heal into a flat so she coudln't just stack HP, but then they canceled it for some reason??
: Why is Pyke's E getting a nerf?
Riot is taking a diarrhea dump alllll over his wave clear. He'll legit be as bad as Sona now.
: > [{quoted}](name=Done25,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8GwUzUcc,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-24T00:20:26.176+0000)Part of the reason for low player participation is that it had even lower red participation. Why bother with Gameplay+ when you were just as (un)likely to get a reply by making a normal Gameplay threat? Well, unless you make a call out bash thread. Those are pretty good at getting Red responses, if for nothing else than to stamp out a flame war. Unfortunately, we can't actually force Rioters to post. We were definitely hoping for higher Red participation though.
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8GwUzUcc,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-24T00:23:24.876+0000) > > Unfortunately, we can't actually force Rioters to post. We were definitely hoping for higher Red participation though. I had a decently high activity thread on the flaws of the current support gold gen items. It got ONE Red response along the lines of "We're looking into it", and then nothing else. I imagine this was because they never actually got around to actually **doing** anything with said items. (Oh gods, I wrote out "threat" instead of thread earlier. Brb kms.)
: If you'd like the actual reason for its removal, we did a [postmortem thread](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-plus/OByzGOoq-a-postmortem-on-gameplay). The long and short of it is not that it was not due to us getting sick of it, but due to engagement being low and serious thread submission being lower than expected. If you'd like to tell us "told you so," that's fine, but possibly inaccurate. :)
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8GwUzUcc,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-24T00:00:27.737+0000) > > If you'd like the actual reason for its removal, we did a [postmortem thread](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-plus/OByzGOoq-a-postmortem-on-gameplay). The long and short of it is not that it was not due to us getting sick of it, but due to engagement being low and serious thread submission being lower than expected. > > If you'd like to tell us "told you so," that's fine, but possibly inaccurate. :) Part of the reason for low player participation is that it had even lower red participation. Why bother with Gameplay+ when you were just as (un)likely to get a reply by making a normal Gameplay thread? Well, unless you make a call out bash thread. Those are pretty good at getting Red responses, if for nothing else than to stamp out a flame war.
: > [{quoted}](name=Inquisitor1961,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WP5Ae1F4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-23T12:32:23.452+0000) > > People should play what they want how they want if that will win the game. If I play crit blitz top and I am 20/0 I should never get reported for that. Simple as that. This goes for every other strategy. If you play crit blitz top and support sits in your lane leaving your adc, how will you feel about that?
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WP5Ae1F4,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-23T12:36:09.872+0000) > > If you play crit blitz top and support sits in your lane leaving your adc, how will you feel about that? It depends. Is the bot lane a Kog'maw who dies ten times by lv. 6 because he's against a Natalus and a Draven? Support needs to get his ass back to bot asap. Or is bot an Ezreal one trick who dodges every skill shot with his eyes closed and just wants to farm? Then support can go up top and get Blitzcrank, who has the best fight starting pull in the game, rolling in dough.
: better to have op champ released and eveyrone play it then to have weak champ released then nobody ever plays it again. then it gets buffs and nobody still plays it because their first impression of it was that it sucked. Then after even more buffs it becomes insanely broken and people like you complain "omG hOw Did ThIS eVEr HapPEN?! RiOT CaNt BalAncE!"
> [{quoted}](name=2 Weezy Baby,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0vZU4AOE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-21T22:54:48.565+0000) > > better to have op champ released and eveyrone play it then to have weak champ released then nobody ever plays it again. then it gets buffs and nobody still plays it because their first impression of it was that it sucked. Then after even more buffs it becomes insanely broken and people like you complain "omG hOw Did ThIS eVEr HapPEN?! RiOT CaNt BalAncE!" Basically this.
mack9112 (NA)
: Yummi had a 38% winrate on release ...
> [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0vZU4AOE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-21T23:20:13.259+0000) > > Yummi has a 38% winrate on release ... Hey overall winrate is still pretty garbage at 46%. (Even though she's actually pretty strong.)
: Is Sona damage really the problem? Not the spammable shield/heal on her W?
: AP Sona is still very strong even outside of the support items interaction. The nerf is deserved and, frankly, isn't even that bad. The heal and the size and frequency of her AoE shield is completely untouched, which is probably her greatest strength. I absolutely hate that every time she gets deservedly nerfed Sona mains come out in droves to bitch, it's embarrassing
> [{quoted}](name=Daedric Etwahl,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEFk0mzs,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-19T02:34:37.974+0000) >The heal and the size and frequency of her AoE shield is completely untouched, which is probably her greatest strength. Then why not nerf that? Riot keeps lowering and lowering support damage until they're nothing but heal/shield whores. Her lane damage is already weak as piss by level 3.
: W8, didn't she trigger her ult on {{champion:163}} Ult In the Trailer? is that a bug?
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Zeta 1313,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mjfqoNc6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-12T21:35:17.204+0000) > > W8, didn't she trigger her ult on {{champion:163}} Ult In the Trailer? is that a bug? Seemed to be bugged.
Bôognish (EUW)
: While attached, Yuumis Q costs double the Mana
: Wouldn't his location be made pretty clear without stealth though? The idea of jumping out of the shadows at them doesn't really work when the only stealth he has gives the enemy he's near a big "go back to your tower" icon. He doesn't have the ability to go around brush behind the enemy without being spotted by every ward along the path, as well.
> [{quoted}](name=PopcornBunni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LQUFsql9,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-08T22:54:30.161+0000) > > Wouldn't his location be made pretty clear without stealth though? The idea of jumping out of the shadows at them doesn't really work when the only stealth he has gives the enemy he's near a big "go back to your tower" icon. He doesn't have the ability to go around brush behind the enemy without being spotted by every ward along the path, as well. Duskblade. His ult is on a 42 second CD with 40% cdr at rank 3.
: What champions can "out of stealth tear enemies apart"
: What will be Qiyana's main role?
100% jungler. Shell probably be too squish to pass the Renekton bar in top.
: How fun, not being able to interact with someone that can interact with you. Exciting
> [{quoted}](name=Slack King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RErpnoMv,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-07T23:17:49.750+0000) > > How fun, not being able to interact with someone that can interact with you. Exciting Would you prefer LB blowing you up in 0.5 seconds?
: > Umm what? Have you ever played Jungle against this champion? Not much, and that says a lot. If he were "so broken", why doesn't anyone bother playing him more? > He has the most free clear I've ever seen and his CC is super annoying to deal with. Which requires him to use Smite, and that doesn't come off as a 3 second cooldown. Like I said, his Q can be easily blocked & it isn't even a fast skillshot, his E is the one thing that keeps him relevant & his Daisy requires to punch an enemy champion 3 times for a knock-up. > I'm honestly surprised he is not meta right now, I'm almost positive it's coming however after those changes a couple patches ago to Scuttles. People in Korea probably just haven't picked up on him yet. Maybe because you just dont know how to play against him...? ----- I also noticed that the match you lost to an Ivern was you playing **Garen Support with Predator**, hence why I wonder why you would even bother making this thread at all.
> [{quoted}](name=BeatzBoyFTW,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KFIEVrJE,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-06-06T13:53:55.963+0000) > > I also noticed that the match you lost to an Ivern was you playing **Garen Support with Predator**, hence why I wonder why you would even bother making this thread at all. Effin kek.
: Nautilus outclasses Leona as support.
Leona was originally intended as a top laner. She could still easily be made into one if they changed her passive.
: Ivern's Shield Is Disgustingly Broken
Wait, are you actually whining about a sub 1% pick rate support jungler? One with an ultra shitty pre-6 who has to build lots of squishy AP items if he wants to scale into late game? Literally any early game invade jingler can absolutely **destroy** Ivern.
: Can we have more itemization please?
Riot down want an AD+Armor item outside of GA for Marksmen.
Nhika (NA)
: I don't mind Yuumi being strong
Enchanters hard counter Yuumi's one poke skill tho?
: > [{quoted}](name=Done25,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VBFaJ1NG,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-02T14:31:25.049+0000) > > I personally prefer Comet because Aery has this annoying trait of wasting your Athene charges when you're attaching to heal someone. Are you sure its Aery doing that and not just Yuumi's Passive though because Aery essentially doesn't do anything without an ability being used.
> [{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VBFaJ1NG,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-02T15:32:08.737+0000) > > Are you sure its Aery doing that and not just Yuumi's Passive though because Aery essentially doesn't do anything without an ability being used. Your W applies Aery.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wizard Blaze,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VBFaJ1NG,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-06-02T07:28:50.254+0000) > > i dont play adc. i play support. to play yuumi with your adc the first phase of the game you simply harass your enemy with your Q as much as you can. and proc your passive as much as you can. > > until level 6 and you get your mejais and rabadon the game here goes for your favor. bonus points if your jungle is ap or you have a hypercarry jungler > > dont get aery. get comet. make sure you have gathering storm. and everytime you sense your ally will die simply go away from them and run to safety and b. do not attempt to proc your passive in team fights because one wild cc that hits you and you are useless and will die. > > your ulti is the biggest annoyance for any melee champs in the game. your q is the biggest engage and disengage in the game. in fact you can simply tell the enemy assassins to fuck off if you hit them with your empowered Q because it will slow them a lot. and your Q is always maxed. ALWAYS! then W. > > in conclusion. Yuumi playstyle is way way way way way different than sona. the distance of playstyle between Yuumi and Sona is like the distance between Earth and Neptune. Lol No. Rabadon is a great item once you have some ap but otherwise terrible to first buy. Building Athene's and Ardent are much better first buys because they double dip with both your heals and passive while alse providing you with AP. Furthermore taking comet over Aery is also a noob trap because again Aery is also boosting your healing/shielding power while still giving you poke power in laning. Theres no reason to take Comet over Aery and the data shows to support that argument. Ill Agree with you on the Q and her playstyle difference with Sona.
> [{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VBFaJ1NG,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-02T09:38:12.827+0000) > Furthermore taking comet over Aery is also a noob trap because again Aery is also boosting your healing/shielding power while still giving you poke power in laning. Theres no reason to take Comet over Aery and the data shows to support that argument. I personally prefer Comet because Aery has this annoying trait of wasting your Athene charges when you're attaching to heal someone.
: Mikael`s crucible also increases all self healing (lifesteal/spellvamp included)
Except Mikael's is a horrible item and is awaiting a rework.
: Yuumi is basically sona 2.0
Sona is for 5v5 team fight. Yuumi is for hyper mobile solo carries.
Neupster (NA)
: Riot fix your goddamn supports
Neeko isn't a support. Pyke is an abomination. Tahm has repeatedly had his support aspects nerfed and is pretty much just a juggernaut now.
: Yuumi + hextech Ultimatum
She can attach so long as an ally enters the zone.
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