: Is Sona damage really the problem? Not the spammable shield/heal on her W?
: AP Sona is still very strong even outside of the support items interaction. The nerf is deserved and, frankly, isn't even that bad. The heal and the size and frequency of her AoE shield is completely untouched, which is probably her greatest strength. I absolutely hate that every time she gets deservedly nerfed Sona mains come out in droves to bitch, it's embarrassing
> [{quoted}](name=Daedric Etwahl,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lEFk0mzs,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-19T02:34:37.974+0000) >The heal and the size and frequency of her AoE shield is completely untouched, which is probably her greatest strength. Then why not nerf that? Riot keeps lowering and lowering support damage until they're nothing but heal/shield whores. Her lane damage is already weak as piss by level 3.
: W8, didn't she trigger her ult on {{champion:163}} Ult In the Trailer? is that a bug?
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Zeta 1313,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mjfqoNc6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-12T21:35:17.204+0000) > > W8, didn't she trigger her ult on {{champion:163}} Ult In the Trailer? is that a bug? Seemed to be bugged.
Bôognish (EUW)
: While attached, Yuumis Q costs double the Mana
: Wouldn't his location be made pretty clear without stealth though? The idea of jumping out of the shadows at them doesn't really work when the only stealth he has gives the enemy he's near a big "go back to your tower" icon. He doesn't have the ability to go around brush behind the enemy without being spotted by every ward along the path, as well.
> [{quoted}](name=PopcornBunni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LQUFsql9,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-08T22:54:30.161+0000) > > Wouldn't his location be made pretty clear without stealth though? The idea of jumping out of the shadows at them doesn't really work when the only stealth he has gives the enemy he's near a big "go back to your tower" icon. He doesn't have the ability to go around brush behind the enemy without being spotted by every ward along the path, as well. Duskblade. His ult is on a 42 second CD with 40% cdr at rank 3.
: What champions can "out of stealth tear enemies apart"
: What will be Qiyana's main role?
100% jungler. Shell probably be too squish to pass the Renekton bar in top.
: How fun, not being able to interact with someone that can interact with you. Exciting
> [{quoted}](name=Slack King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RErpnoMv,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-07T23:17:49.750+0000) > > How fun, not being able to interact with someone that can interact with you. Exciting Would you prefer LB blowing you up in 0.5 seconds?
: > Umm what? Have you ever played Jungle against this champion? Not much, and that says a lot. If he were "so broken", why doesn't anyone bother playing him more? > He has the most free clear I've ever seen and his CC is super annoying to deal with. Which requires him to use Smite, and that doesn't come off as a 3 second cooldown. Like I said, his Q can be easily blocked & it isn't even a fast skillshot, his E is the one thing that keeps him relevant & his Daisy requires to punch an enemy champion 3 times for a knock-up. > I'm honestly surprised he is not meta right now, I'm almost positive it's coming however after those changes a couple patches ago to Scuttles. People in Korea probably just haven't picked up on him yet. Maybe because you just dont know how to play against him...? ----- I also noticed that the match you lost to an Ivern was you playing **Garen Support with Predator**, hence why I wonder why you would even bother making this thread at all.
> [{quoted}](name=BeatzBoyFTW,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KFIEVrJE,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-06-06T13:53:55.963+0000) > > I also noticed that the match you lost to an Ivern was you playing **Garen Support with Predator**, hence why I wonder why you would even bother making this thread at all. Effin kek.
: Nautilus outclasses Leona as support.
Leona was originally intended as a top laner. She could still easily be made into one if they changed her passive.
: Ivern's Shield Is Disgustingly Broken
Wait, are you actually whining about a sub 1% pick rate support jungler? One with an ultra shitty pre-6 who has to build lots of squishy AP items if he wants to scale into late game? Literally any early game invade jingler can absolutely **destroy** Ivern.
: Can we have more itemization please?
Riot down want an AD+Armor item outside of GA for Marksmen.
Nhika (NA)
: I don't mind Yuumi being strong
Enchanters hard counter Yuumi's one poke skill tho?
: > [{quoted}](name=Done25,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VBFaJ1NG,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-02T14:31:25.049+0000) > > I personally prefer Comet because Aery has this annoying trait of wasting your Athene charges when you're attaching to heal someone. Are you sure its Aery doing that and not just Yuumi's Passive though because Aery essentially doesn't do anything without an ability being used.
> [{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VBFaJ1NG,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-02T15:32:08.737+0000) > > Are you sure its Aery doing that and not just Yuumi's Passive though because Aery essentially doesn't do anything without an ability being used. Your W applies Aery.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wizard Blaze,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VBFaJ1NG,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-06-02T07:28:50.254+0000) > > i dont play adc. i play support. to play yuumi with your adc the first phase of the game you simply harass your enemy with your Q as much as you can. and proc your passive as much as you can. > > until level 6 and you get your mejais and rabadon the game here goes for your favor. bonus points if your jungle is ap or you have a hypercarry jungler > > dont get aery. get comet. make sure you have gathering storm. and everytime you sense your ally will die simply go away from them and run to safety and b. do not attempt to proc your passive in team fights because one wild cc that hits you and you are useless and will die. > > your ulti is the biggest annoyance for any melee champs in the game. your q is the biggest engage and disengage in the game. in fact you can simply tell the enemy assassins to fuck off if you hit them with your empowered Q because it will slow them a lot. and your Q is always maxed. ALWAYS! then W. > > in conclusion. Yuumi playstyle is way way way way way different than sona. the distance of playstyle between Yuumi and Sona is like the distance between Earth and Neptune. Lol No. Rabadon is a great item once you have some ap but otherwise terrible to first buy. Building Athene's and Ardent are much better first buys because they double dip with both your heals and passive while alse providing you with AP. Furthermore taking comet over Aery is also a noob trap because again Aery is also boosting your healing/shielding power while still giving you poke power in laning. Theres no reason to take Comet over Aery and the data shows to support that argument. Ill Agree with you on the Q and her playstyle difference with Sona.
> [{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VBFaJ1NG,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-02T09:38:12.827+0000) > Furthermore taking comet over Aery is also a noob trap because again Aery is also boosting your healing/shielding power while still giving you poke power in laning. Theres no reason to take Comet over Aery and the data shows to support that argument. I personally prefer Comet because Aery has this annoying trait of wasting your Athene charges when you're attaching to heal someone.
: Mikael`s crucible also increases all self healing (lifesteal/spellvamp included)
Except Mikael's is a horrible item and is awaiting a rework.
: Yuumi is basically sona 2.0
Sona is for 5v5 team fight. Yuumi is for hyper mobile solo carries.
Neupster (NA)
: Riot fix your goddamn supports
Neeko isn't a support. Pyke is an abomination. Tahm has repeatedly had his support aspects nerfed and is pretty much just a juggernaut now.
: Yuumi + hextech Ultimatum
She can attach so long as an ally enters the zone.
: Important gameplay question on Mordes ult
Sure you can. Just kill your opponent and the effect will end. :)
: Should I use my 650 rp to buy a 3 day boost and just grind to 30 since Im already level 12 or no?
Don't waste money on an exp boost. Riot should honestly just remove that trash.
: Yuumi QOL suggestion
This so much.
: Why does Cho'Gath have such high Ap ratios?
It's there to entice him to build something other than raw tank.
Hotarµ (NA)
: > I really want tanks to be meta again, not this ff at 15 1 shotting meta. You realize some of the highest winrate champions across all ELOs right now _are tanks,_ right? Rammus, Amumu, Blitzcrank, Nautilus, Sion, Yorick, Garen, Volibear, and Urgot are all insanely strong picks across the board. No, like seriously, here's some evidence if you don't believe me. [League of Graphs Champion Overview (Silver+) (Descending by WR)](https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/silver/by-winrate) [League of Graphs Champion Overview (Gold+) (Descending by WR)](https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/gold/by-winrate) [League of Graphs Champion Overview (Platinum+) (Descending by WR)](https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/by-winrate) [NA OP.GG Champion Overview (Overall game stats) ](https://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/) [Champion.GG Champion Overview (Platinum+)](https://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend) Tanks are fine, they still have a place in League and they're played universally.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=s0I8Y0sH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-27T04:57:40.862+0000) > > You realize some of the highest winrate champions across all ELOs right now _are tanks,_ right? > > Rammus, Amumu, Blitzcrank, Nautilus, Sion, Yorick, Garen, Volibear, and Urgot are all insanely strong picks across the board. No, like seriously, here's some evidence if you don't believe me. > > [League of Graphs Champion Overview (Silver+) (Descending by WR)](https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/silver/by-winrate) > [League of Graphs Champion Overview (Gold+) (Descending by WR)](https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/gold/by-winrate) > [League of Graphs Champion Overview (Platinum+) (Descending by WR)](https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/by-winrate) > [NA OP.GG Champion Overview (Overall game stats) ](https://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/) > [Champion.GG Champion Overview (Platinum+)](https://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend) > > Tanks are fine, they still have a place in League and they're played universally. Yorick, Garen, and Volibear are all Juggernauts. They have weak CC in exchange for high DPS.
: I just learned that approach velocity works CONSTANTLY with Yuumi.
: Yuumi and Rift Herald
It's better than Yuumi has it anyways
Kr1sys (NA)
: midlaners, could you explain why you afk under tower?
Saezio (EUNE)
: You didn't see the OR? Rengar is fucked if he ults a zhonyas person OR and adc that has their support there.
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gQrRWEYE,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-24T09:54:10.655+0000) > > You didn't see the OR? > > Rengar is fucked if he ults a zhonyas person OR and adc that has their support there. Haha, no. Unless your name is Lulu and you have godly reflexes your ADC is dead as shit if Rengo is even slightly fed. Due to how he can animation que mid leap with hydra he can LeapHydraQQ slam your carry with four hits in 0.2 seconds.
Saezio (EUNE)
: But Rengar is fucked by a single zhonyas. Unlike the rest that can keep on going after their 1st target zhonyas. Or they have a way out at least. Rengar is fucked if he ults a zhonyas person or an adc that has their support nearby. K6 is way more slippery and way more bursty with a lot less pre-requisites for example. Rengar is getting shit on by tons of picks. And he is almost useless in high (d3+) elo. Needs buffs if anything
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gQrRWEYE,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-24T09:45:26.986+0000) > > But Rengar is fucked by a single zhonyas. Unlike the rest that can keep on going after their 1st target zhonyas. Or they have a way out at least. Rengar is fucked if he ults a zhonyas person or an adc that has their support nearby. > > K6 is way more slippery and way more bursty with a lot less pre-requisites for example. > > Rengar is getting shit on by tons of picks. And he is almost useless in high (d3+) elo. Needs buffs if anything How many ADCs or supports do you know of that regularly build Zhonya's?
: Nocturne is literally horrible.
en2que (EUW)
: Do you think Riot will take a look at lane Pyke?
Pyke is a failed concept. You can't create an assassin who lives off large amounts of gold, and make him a support at the same time.
: Playing Ranked "With" New Champs
This. So fucking much.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: Where is this Akali rage comming from?
Akali is super strong, but she's way too complex for the average player to reliably pull off. Kind of like Yuumi.
Mannny (NA)
: Yuumi should take a portion of damage from enemies if she's attached to an ally
This idea is horrible. Have you even played Yuumi in ranked?
Rylalei (EUNE)
: Ok mister smart pants. How would you nerf the interactive Spellthief's no cs top lane without hurting supports? The fix Riot did is the best, and they even buffed the gold generation. Also, unlocking the jungle items away from Smite? Well damn, looking forward to on hit adc being broken because of Blood Razor. You just toss out ideas with no actual example of how you want to fix it, just say you will. And viability, viable for who, low elo Yolo que or high elo aka the good players?
> [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=REJUPcjY,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-05-20T18:02:57.867+0000) > > Ok mister smart pants. > > How would you nerf the interactive Spellthief's no cs top lane without hurting supports? > > The fix Riot did is the best, and they even buffed the gold generation. Bullshit they did. Spellthief is a mess after so many bad "other lane" nerfs. Remove the cs penalty and remove charges being "wasted" if the holder hits someone while away from an ally. Charges still only consume when within 2200 units of any ally **until the item transforms at 500 gold**. The ally restriction is then removed so as not to forcibly glue a support to their team. > Also, unlocking the jungle items away from Smite? Well damn, looking forward to on hit adc being broken because of Blood Razor. Easy fix. Shift more power into the "jungle only" portion of the item. (Tooth) Blood Razor probably needs nerfing in general anyways as bar none the **best** enchant.
: If I were God Emperor of Riot and could do whatever I wanted for season 10..
Potats (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tqJXAE6L,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-20T01:13:33.227+0000) > > If he is such pain just buy a qss and walk away I play support (mainly enchanters) and barely get enough gold to finish my items, I'm not gonna randomly buy qss
> [{quoted}](name=Potats,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tqJXAE6L,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-20T02:46:40.844+0000) > > I play support (mainly enchanters) and barely get enough gold to finish my items, I'm not gonna randomly buy qss Get a Mikael's and use it to see your ADC run away from Rammus at the speed of "fuck yo taunt".
: Can i get a refund for purchasing Yuumi? Im constantly getting harassed
Spam her more and report anyone who bad mouths.
Kharlon (NA)
: Yumi has 0 utility to bring to a team.
I'm pretty sure it's a bug
Auccuatt (NA)
: I've been stuck at Gold IV 0 LP for over 300 games, should I just give up?
From what I see these are you best four champions and you should main them. https://i.imgur.com/gwIJJMY.png
Ladrien (NA)
: I ban Yuumi so my teammates cant play her, because shes garbage.
: Anyone remember when ornn came out, had a 38% winrate, but was totally fine, and then riot....
He also got like 5 buffs in a row. The biggest of which was changing his current% HP damage on W to Max% HP.
: Out of Curiosity, What champion do you think has absolutely no counterplay?
Rengar. If he gets ahead there's nothing you can do to stop him from pressing R and running you down with his 20 seconds of +60% speed. By the time he lands him jump you're already dead from HydraQQElec in 0.2 seconds.
: > [{quoted}](name=Done25,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fj8mkJ64,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-17T07:54:12.767+0000) > > https://champion.gg/champion/TahmKench/Support?league=gold 43% win rate as support in Gold. It goes up to 47% in Plat, but most players aren't good enough to reach that level of skill with him. > > https://champion.gg/champion/TahmKench/Top?league=gold Meanwhole his top has a 47% win rate in Gold, and a 50% in Plat. > > So yea, you're factually wrong. pretty sure he wanted to say his winrate as supp went up after "nerfs".
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fj8mkJ64,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-17T08:16:27.423+0000) > > pretty sure he wanted to say his winrate as supp went up after "nerfs". I think it went down actually. At least in the lower elo b/c his Devour now Grounds and slows him if he eats an ally. (No flashing away.)
: > [{quoted}](name=Done25,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fj8mkJ64,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-17T07:42:23.314+0000) > > Tahm isn't a support though. He's a 1v1 fighter like WW or Trundle. That's why his top lane is much better than his support lane. Riot has basically removed all of his support attributes. > > Also, Pyke is an Assassin. He's not a Warden or an Enchanter. Snowballing off kills is what he's supposed to do. tahms winrate is better in sup despite the same playrate. he can still save allies with his w, so.
> [{quoted}](name=XJ99999999999999,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fj8mkJ64,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-17T07:45:12.908+0000) > > tahms winrate is better in sup despite the same playrate. > > he can still save allies with his w, so. https://champion.gg/champion/TahmKench/Support?league=gold 43% win rate as support in Gold. It goes up to 47% in Plat, but most players aren't good enough to reach that level of skill with him. https://champion.gg/champion/TahmKench/Top?league=gold Meanwhole his top has a 47% win rate in Gold, and a 50% in Plat. So yea, you're factually wrong.
Bultz (NA)
: Can we take away a good deal of damage from champions who aren't meant to be carries already?
Tahm isn't a support though. He's a 1v1 fighter like WW or Trundle. That's why his top lane is much better than his support lane. Riot has basically removed all of his support attributes. Also, Pyke is an Assassin type Catcher. He's not a Warden or an Enchanter. Snowballing off kills is what he's supposed to do.
: Yuumi more like Yuusless xd
Her max scale E needs to have its base heal doubled. The healing is just pathetic. It's weaker than Nidalee's heal ffs.
: Yuumi hit 36% wr with the hotfix buffs
Where did you find your stats? Other sites are showing 33% for me.
: I think people are warming up to Yuumi after the buff.....
The buff was very sizable. Numbers up all around, and a big boost to her unempowered Q.
: So no one going to address how Rammus being over power at this point, right cause he is tanker
He'll stop being popular when near every enemy team stops being 90% physical damage with Zed/Irelia/Yasou mid.
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