: > [{quoted}](name=DongJing0215,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T02:52:58.442+0000) > > In game 1: I said to report twice, Game 2 I said it once. Game 1 I said to ff 0 times, Game 2 I said it once. everything is toxic for thin skinned people
> [{quoted}](name=Bronze 1 99LP,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T03:06:25.413+0000) > > everything is toxic for thin skinned people Seems like it
: > [{quoted}](name=DongJing0215,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T02:18:35.607+0000) > > So telling to FF because x player is feeding is toxic? When you do it over and over while flaming and threatening them (probably in /all), yes.
> [{quoted}](name=MagicFlyingLlama,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T02:37:30.054+0000) > > When you do it over and over while flaming and threatening them (probably in /all), yes. In game 1: I said to report twice, Game 2 I said it once. Game 1 I said to ff 0 times, Game 2 I said it once.
: > [{quoted}](name=DongJing0215,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:07:21.579+0000) > > Talking isn't bannable, With a comment like this I doubt you've read it. Actually talking this much is spam. which is bannable. Then there's the first 5 lines of text which tells me at the very least you have a negative attitude. Bannable.
> [{quoted}](name=MetaCosmos,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T02:30:00.996+0000) > > Actually talking this much is spam. which is bannable. Then there's the first 5 lines of text which tells me at the very least you have a negative attitude. Bannable. Ofc my attitude in said game was bad, Being called retarded and being told to kill yourself 3 mins into the game doesn't really do much to a positive atmosphere. Bannable though? it shouldn't be.
: > [{quoted}](name=DongJing0215,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:56:06.108+0000) > > I wasn't toxic, Give me specifics that was toxic, I told them to report someone, I told them to ff, I told them to stop being toxic after they called me retarded and told me to kill myself. Yet I'm being toxic? Sadly for you, your personal opinions about what constitutes toxic behavior are not what you are judged by. The vast majority of society would agree you acted unacceptably. Retaliation is not a free pass and only escalates a situation for no reason while annoying everyone else.
> [{quoted}](name=MagicFlyingLlama,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T02:13:11.985+0000) > > Sadly for you, your personal opinions about what constitutes toxic behavior are not what you are judged by. The vast majority of society would agree you acted unacceptably. > > Retaliation is not a free pass and only escalates a situation for no reason while annoying everyone else. So telling to FF because x player is feeding is toxic?
: > [{quoted}](name=DongJing0215,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T00:58:00.473+0000) > > How so? What did I say that was toxic Almost all of it. Flaming your team all game, threatening reports endlessly, accusing people of feeding. There is not a list of naughty words to avoid using, you get punished based on your behavior and intent - and your behavior was incredibly negative and toxic.
> [{quoted}](name=MagicFlyingLlama,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:56:27.481+0000) > > Almost all of it. > > Flaming your team all game, threatening reports endlessly, accusing people of feeding. > > There is not a list of naughty words to avoid using, you get punished based on your behavior and intent - and your behavior was incredibly negative and toxic. I said to report someone once or twice, I stated they were feeding because in fact they were feeding. Stating facts doesn't = toxic
: > You are ruining it by being toxic
> [{quoted}](name=MagicFlyingLlama,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:54:09.813+0000) > > I wasn't toxic, Give me specifics that was toxic, I told them to report someone, I told them to ff, I told them to stop being toxic after they called me retarded and told me to kill myself. Yet I'm being toxic?
: > [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:38:54.580+0000) > > Actually, it's not possible to be **punished** at all if all you do is say "report X". > > It **IS** punishable (with chat restriction **or** ban) for using "report X" as part of harassing someone else. > > And bans are not "checked" - virtually all punishments now are fully done by the automated Instant Feedback System. Then why would when contacting Riot Support they have that as one of the reasons they gave me my set of chat restrictions? They said two reasons. One: I'd start to get a little negative when things started going bad. Two: I asked for reports. "and at other times you call for reports against other players in all chat. Both of these actions would be justification enough for disciplinary actions to be taken against your account." If it wasn't punishable by itself, why mention it at all? And if they aren't checking bans (they were before), they need to look at their system because that's just disaster waiting to happen. Every automated system needs someone behind the scenes to make sure big things like that get checked.
> [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:49:13.931+0000) > > This was not a generic response, this was an actual talk with one of them after telling them (and eventually proving to them with video evidence) that I was getting chat restrictions while doing absolutely nothing. As in, not only did I not say a word throughout the entire restriction during all points of the game (outside informing my team I would be muting everyone due to Riot's system) but that I would still be getting warnings about being reported for verbal abuse and negative attitude in those games and that my amount of chat restrictions went UP. It went from 20 to 30 to 20 to 80 to 120. And only after streaming those games to prove I didn't say a damn word did they finally stop. All I get is generic responses from support, They never say why I was banned just the general "Contributing the negative experience of the game" almost like it's copy/pasted from a script they have.
: > [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:38:54.580+0000) > > Actually, it's not possible to be **punished** at all if all you do is say "report X". > > It **IS** punishable (with chat restriction **or** ban) for using "report X" as part of harassing someone else. > > And bans are not "checked" - virtually all punishments now are fully done by the automated Instant Feedback System. Then why would when contacting Riot Support they have that as one of the reasons they gave me my set of chat restrictions? They said two reasons. One: I'd start to get a little negative when things started going bad. Two: I asked for reports. "and at other times you call for reports against other players in all chat. Both of these actions would be justification enough for disciplinary actions to be taken against your account." If it wasn't punishable by itself, why mention it at all? And if they aren't checking bans (they were before), they need to look at their system because that's just disaster waiting to happen. Every automated system needs someone behind the scenes to make sure big things like that get checked.
> [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:44:10.258+0000) > > Then why would when contacting Riot Support they have that as one of the reasons they gave me my set of chat restrictions? They said two reasons. One: I'd start to get a little negative when things started going bad. Two: I asked for reports. > > "and at other times you call for reports against other players in all chat. Both of these actions would be justification enough for disciplinary actions to be taken against your account." > > If it wasn't punishable by itself, why mention it at all? Seems like they love giving generic responses to issues, It's turning into a game where being reported will = a punishment.
: Chat restricted 27 games for this...
Back to the subject, Should I be reporting everyone who says to FF and to report x player? In that case half the player base would be chat restricted pretty fast.
: > [{quoted}](name=DongJing0215,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:25:14.725+0000) > > Yes, and if you get chat restrict enough it will turn into a ban. lol You're literally saying the thing I just told you isn't true, they fuckign look into bans
> [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:26:02.255+0000) > > You're literally saying the thing I just told you isn't true, they fuckign look into bans After enough chat restrictions they will ban, Yes they will look into it before hand, But doesn't mean it won't happen.
: > [{quoted}](name=DongJing0215,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:20:42.887+0000) > > It's an escalation thing, If you get chat restricted enough you'll be banned. So essentially it is the same. They check bans. Chat restrict is automated.
> [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:24:26.901+0000) > > They check bans. Chat restrict is automated. Yes, and if you get chat restrict enough it will turn into a ban. lol
: > [{quoted}](name=DongJing0215,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:10:11.944+0000) > > Chat restrict is just a step away from banned. So if I tell someone to report someone again and I get reported for it I risk being banned? It's same thing. No, it's not. Banned and chat restricted are separate things.
> [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:19:34.670+0000) > > No, it's not. Banned and chat restricted are separate things. It's an escalation thing, If you get chat restricted enough you'll be banned. So essentially it is the same.
: > [{quoted}](name=DongJing0215,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:03:15.614+0000) > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports > > Says here they won't ban for asking for reports, I'm fine with accepting this restriction if I deserve it, But I really don't understand why and riot won't give me any straight answers on the issue. They don't ban. They will chat restrict. I'll get the quote after this game.
> [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:07:44.330+0000) > > They don't ban. They will chat restrict. I'll get the quote after this game. Chat restrict is just a step away from banned. So if I tell someone to report someone again and I get reported for it I risk being banned? It's same thing.
: The fact that I had to scroll to read all your text says you deserved it.
> [{quoted}](name=MetaCosmos,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:06:02.908+0000) > > The fact that I had to scroll to read all your text says you deserved it. Talking isn't bannable, With a comment like this I doubt you've read it.
: Well, one thing I'm seeing is you're asking for reports and Riot WILL chat restrict you for it (it was one of the 2 reasons they chat restricted me) because their system for reports is just a yes/no checkbox, it doesn't matter how many people report the person as long as one person does it checks the game.
> [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-05-10T01:01:12.150+0000) > > Well, one thing I'm seeing is you're asking for reports and Riot WILL chat restrict you for it (it was one of the 2 reasons they chat restricted me) because their system for reports is just a yes/no checkbox, it doesn't matter how many people report the person as long as one person does it checks the game. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/PzY1ArN3-we-dont-ban-people-for-asking-for-reports Says here they won't ban for asking for reports, I'm fine with accepting this restriction if I deserve it, But I really don't understand why and riot won't give me any straight answers on the issue.
: > [{quoted}](name=DongJing0215,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T00:58:00.473+0000) > > How so? What did I say that was toxic Literally most of the game and probably many other games to and you fail to accept the fact you were toxic and received punishment becuz of it. If you won't learn from receiving a light punishment you probably deserve a perma
> [{quoted}](name=Sharkeshia Hoshi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-10T00:59:46.292+0000) > > Literally most of the game > and probably many other games to > > and you fail to accept the fact you were toxic and received punishment becuz of it. If you won't learn from receiving a light punishment you probably deserve a perma So telling others they are being toxic and being toxic? Telling someone they are inting is being toxic?
: should've been permaban
> [{quoted}](name=Sharkeshia Hoshi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKkIPgAj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-10T00:57:35.063+0000) > > should've been permaban How so? What did I say that was toxic
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