: He isn't a tank. He's a juggernaut like {{champion:86}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:106}} {{champion:48}} {{champion:58}}
isnt that pretty much the same thing? all those juggernauts want a lot of HP
: Purchased chests with the Tokens event
orbs are pretty much a chest without the need for a key, i prefer it this way so that i can buy orbs with tokens and earn chests for even more chances at a skin i want. though you're right, they should add a chest option for tokens ( as long as the orbs stay too)
: I haven't played it yet but as an ARAM mostly player, why would I pick poro king over ARAM if both are random, poro has just extra shit to take care of while doing the same as ARAM.
> [{quoted}](name=Deνiruchi,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AKB9Rur1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-13T18:22:21.291+0000) > > I haven't played it yet but as an ARAM mostly player, why would I pick poro king over ARAM if both are random, poro has just extra shit to take care of while doing the same as ARAM. alot of champs have an easier time with the removal of flash and defensive summoner spells, you just go in and murder on the bridge rather than getting fucked by ranged poke like xerath or ziggs.
: Client is soooooooo laggy
: Changing your username
: Buffs in 9.24 for Yi and Illaoi
i would be fine with those buffs on illoai, her biggest counter is the enemy just walking away from her when she ults. those yi changes tho are busted and should never be a thing.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: they were intended lol ever since dota 1 and the first RTK games the support class always existed as a class not relying on gold. Why do you think immediatly during dreamhack season 1 pro players played alistar soraka janna taric? Those champions had strong kits which didn't depend on golds later, riot nerfed their kits and gave them gold in season 4 during patch 3:14
if their kits are too strong without needing gold you could just take them solo lane with gold and become even stronger.
Baval (NA)
: Got Punished today while 3 people were toxic to me
sorry but i just really dont agree with that mindset, if someone starts getting toxic at you, it should be ok to get toxic back at them in chat. that or just mute them, but sometimes its just difficult to let things slide. i personally think you were wrongfully punished (esp if they weren't punished either) but if you're ok with it, then that's that. imo, you should always have the right to defend yourself. (just not spouting racist or irl threats back at them) {{sticker:sg-soraka}}
ßluę (NA)
: So are we just not gonna talk about New Red and Blue Buffs?
personally i like the new visuals and dont have an issue seeing them, but indeed rito could make an option that improves their visibility for those who cant see it well atm, or have a legacy blue/red buff visual option like they do with the cursor.
: I dont agree with your propositions for the changes but i agree with the premise
it indeed doesnt have to be my exact changes ( except number 3 pls ;w; ) but it does need to be changed in some way.
Nipsahoy (NA)
: Support definitely does not need buffs. They don't have to spend gold to upgrade the item anymore so they build full dmg even sooner than normal. Just played a game where a Soraka was healing people to full with two abilities while taking half the ADCs hp with two abilities. Lameo design.
that's not really due to support items, that's just soraka being soraka. they dont have to spend gold to upgrade the items sure, but it gives them stats they dont really want as much as the old support items, they lose the gold generation once fully upgraded. many posts have talked about how the new items are more of a nerf than a buff.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: lol, let me have those items 2 min in the game and then I'll be with you
that early on you can have stop watch, but more importantly you can stay behind minions or out of their range to avoid their 1 skillshot. later in the game those items i listed help you even further to avoid all their stuff, along with still staying out of their range. if you fucked that up you at least have flash and your heals/shields to get out of jail free.
Mahoh (NA)
: I want it too, but think he's getting one of those expensive skins soon so he'll probably be buffed.
he'll be nerfed way before the skin comes out or afterwards once its been out for awhile.
: Its not about seeing through the fog of war is about being able to see further on in your field of view. You can more easily see skill shot angles and you can see ganks earlier.
this would be for everyone though and wouldn't really matter too much since if you can see them on your screen then you can see them on your minimap
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=HeimerLmao,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wAQGmFOh,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-11-23T11:59:26.107+0000) > > what they did was offset the innate weakness of being a melee support, It should not? a weakness is a weakness do you see an item making enchanters able to survive an all in of thresh/blitz/leona? No, they instantly die if they get caught > allowing them to deal better with poke, Yea, no the counter to poke is all in, tank supports should not both be able to all in and survive poke If you want to deal with poke pick an enchanter, don't pick thresh unless you're skilled enough to hook them.
> [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wAQGmFOh,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-23T12:07:10.293+0000) > do you see an item making enchanters able to survive an all in of thresh/blitz/leona? No, they instantly die if they get caught {{item:3102}} {{item:2420}} {{item:3157}} {{item:3222}}
Mihalikb (EUW)
: I don't know if you are being intentionally obtuse or what. The problem with Pyke's ult is that it's basically spammable and his mobility/stealth/cc makes it much much much more easier to deliver than any of the other executes, it's even superior to Darius' execute chain as you have a much better chance to scatter/get away from Darius. And let's not forget about free gold component that just sends it to the next level of broken. Pyke's ult needs to be gutted. The extra gold completely removed or at least reduced to no more than 100g per kill participant, the HP threshold lowered and the resets limited by some mechanical requirement. After all that, Pyke would still be a monster.
for now what i would like to see as counterplay against pyke ult is to show when he's able to execute you. that way you dont sit near 40%-50% hp and think your safe when in reality he's able to execute you. also maybe tone down the movement speed he gets during his W so he cant get out for free.
Rioter Comments
: Seems like there's a few issues with your logic here. So lets start from the beginning. Kai'sa is popular because she's hot, and play relatively safe. Kind of similar to why Ezreal is still popular to this day. Why sort of playing safe is important? Because ded ppl can't dps!!!!! However, she's not the best adc. As you pointed out, her win rate is quite low at 47%. And crit adcs are getting buffed in the preseason. Also as you were kind enough to point out. XXXXXXL - 51% winrate with an astonishing 1131 games on her. That's a 51% winrate of someone you'd consider a Kai'sa main/one trick Or for korea: 서투른 춤을 추는 - 56% winrate with 1092 games on her. 놀라운원딜러1 - 52% winrate with 1038 games on her. No, I don't think having a 52% win rate over 1000 games is OMG SO BROKEN AND UNBALANCED AND IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAY AGAINST!!!!! And the 56% guy being the anomaly. Lets take a look at other adcs then, shall we? {{champion:81}} 룰러데프트프레이 54% win rate ~1044 games 구너상 50% win rate ~903 games Lightfeather 61% win rate ~362 games (only ez games) Max Verstappen 55% win rate ~286 games. Top 2 in euw are at 53% win rate and 49% win rate with around 500 games played of ezreal. And that's ezreal, not some omg so top tier adc, just a popular one. Lets move on {{champion:51}} The Yung Yam God - 53% win rate ~800 games dont smoke cigs 53% win rate ~400 games 머하닝 55% win rate ~600 games PigGiNi 54% win rate ~500 games tiltkingTILTKING 53% win rate ~800 games Eva Queen Fan 54% win rate ~700 games Or {{champion:222}} : Red Velvet Stan 52% win rate ~600 games keurig cup 56% win rate ~600 games 상관하지마세요 57% win rate ~1000 games 키득키득123 56% win rate ~1000 games Melwin 55% win rate ~1700 games JinxOnHerPeriod 53% win rate ~1000 games I'm getting bored, so, last one is {{champion:21}} : armor039 52% win rate ~2600 games the umbra witch 58% win rate ~500 games FINNISH HOUND 53% win rate ~1300 games Kaoleen 52% win rate ~900 games favoritething 53% win rate ~1600 games 산세베리앙 52% win rate ~1200 games And that's why Kai'sa isn't getting nerfed. She is not the most broken or powerful ADC (across multiple patches), definitely not the patch's strongest ADC. She's just really popular. edit: PS. If they would remove Allies being able to proc her Passive (plasma stacks) it will: stop making her pick and ban in pro play, lower her damage, lower her mobility and lower her safety ;) That's the only nerf she needs. And then she might even need a buff like +50 basic attack range or whatever, who knows. But right now the reason why she's so dominant in pro play is because her passive can be procced by team members. The moment she loses that, her popularity in pro is going down, and her popularity in soloq will reach ezreal's levels (~20%)
crit is getting buffed? i figured since they're raising the price on zeal items it was a nerf. but iirc they're making {{item:3095}} a good item again.
Brotha (NA)
: Pyke pull is the weakest of all pulls and don't pretend it isnt. You get pulled by a Blitz at a much greater distance, at a much faster speed, while being instantly knocked up. Naut pulls you from a similar distance but then not only snares you with his long distance auto but then applies a slow, and god forbid he is 6 because then it becomes a knock up. And thresh. Thresh lands a Q, that pulls your in slightly, then flays you even closer in while applying a slow.. and then boxes you for an even longer slow. Pyke is VERY overloaded and needs his sustain and damage nerfed more but don't you dare pretend his only skillshot is the issue when he has a fucking execute reset ultimate jesus christ I hate that champion.
you made a good point in a post full of blind pyke haters, ofc it gets downvoted. I assume mine will too for calling them out.
Rioter Comments
: I think Qiyana is a cool champ, but wtf is that ulti?
: The obvious move would be to create an item for fronlaners that negates mobility, the same way other items negate CC or healing. Of course, we are talking about Riot Gam€$, so they won't do anything that makes their skin whores less viable so they can keep milking their chinese cows. Example: Hextech armorsuit (3300 gold) 400 Health 30 Armor 30 Magic Resistance 10% CDR Unique passive: When you are out of combat your bonus resistances get increased by 30%. The effect lasts 2 seconds after taking damage. Unique active, Seeking Drone: You shoot a Drone that gets anchored to a target enemy champion. The drone grounds that champion for 2 seconds and grants your team True Vision of him for 5 seconds.
that's a long amount of true vision and would make sejuani strong af.
Sucction (OCE)
: While I do think mobility is a problem, I don't think grounding effects are the solution. They don't "fix" mobility, they just enforce hard counters and make the champions balanced AROUND their mobility completely bloody useless for several seconds. It's nearly an indefinite silence. Instead, simply creating champions with less mobility options, or reducing the ones that currently exist. I don't know if giving Yasuo's E an ammo mechanic would be a good idea, but it should be something that could be explored. Blue Kayn is unfair in general, and perhaps shouldn't be going so fast through terrain. He's not *overpowered*, just lacks counterplay and fairness if he's even slightly ahead. Katarina feels okay because she's very predictable, similarly to Zed. Irelia and Pyke are also too mobile, though I don't know what I'd do to fix them.
blue kayn is an assassin, get rid of that movement speed and he cannot get onto anyone. irelia and yasuo are only mobile with enemy minions around. fuck kat and pyke though, i hate them and how safe they are.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: 50 ad 15% lifesteal 50-120 attack speed? {{champion:24}} {{champion:39}} oh no
{{champion:24}} laughs in counter strike, {{champion:24}} {{champion:39}} laughs while staying next to ally minions
5050BS (NA)
: On the PBE I have been abusing {{champion:82}} with this item. Yes MORD. First item {{item:3115}} then Sanguine Blade. I Ult someone and win ALL fights that they cant keep away from me. I mean ALL fights. {{champion:24}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:77}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:86}} If that try and fight me I win.
people saying the item is broken but all you need is to group up or stay next to minions to make it worthless. but on morde with his ult you can take full advantage of its passive, sounds nice except its an ad lethality item instead of ap or hp or mpen.
: Hey folks. Sorry for the frustration around that feature. We're discussing what the best options are to get a toggle that allows you to go back to the default music. I'll keep you posted :)
Yenn (NA)
: True Damage Ekko is a clear case of selling power
his W takes 2.5 secs to actually go off and its pretty visable once it actually shows up to the enemy. he also does an animation when he starts it and actually has to touch the circle to stun you. as for the jumping, that's more of a you problem.
: Wait you don't permaban ekko? LOL I'm never seeing that skin let alone that champion in my games.
cant handle ekko? he's no lee sin or xayah/kai'sa.
: Ryze in high elo has no counterplay
they either need to nerf his base dmg from abilities, or the ap scaling, or the mana scaling. mana is just way too easy and cheap to come by to scale off of it. with vlad scaling with Hp, there's not a REALLY good hp with ap item like seraph/roa is to ryze. an idea you can try is to just remove his ap scalings totally and just make his damage scale only with mana. bonus ap is converted to mana. weird idea but its unique. kinda like how pyke cant build HP but it gives him ad, except with ryze you cant build ap but it'll give him mana which acts like ap. this removes his double scaling on his abilities and they can focus on balancing him around mana items.
: you forgot to add yasuo to that list so no one plays him again'
new season makes zeal items cost more, he's getting nerfed that way
Alüe (NA)
: Can we Cap MS?
if he's out of range of an xerath ability then he's out of range to hit you. you can either git gud and learn to land your skill shots, use champs that have point and click abilities or rely on a teammate that has one, there's rylai's to help abilities slow on hit or even {{item:3905}} to send ghosts after them,{{item:3030}} any of these 2 with or without glacial and they'll never move again.
: Why are gameplay mods deleting threads about gameplay
crit items are changing next season so he'll be nerfed that way. ( iirc the zeal items are getting more expensive )
: Can Ryze Stop outtrading with Mana Crystal
they just really have to tone down or remove his mana scaling, tone down his ap ratios, or gut his base damages, getting high amounts of mana is way too cheap and accessible with so many items giving so much of it out. ({{item:3040}} +1400 mana ) its why vlad is also a bit of a problem, cause he scales with HP pretty well which lets him build tanky but still have damage thanks to it converting to ap and vice-versa.
Brotha (NA)
: An AD support item is fair. {{champion:64}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:235}} {{champion:555}} have every right to be bot lane as {{champion:63}} {{champion:143}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:50}}. Either remove mage supports or allow Fighter/assassins in the bot lane as well. I for one look forward to returning to the support role. But yeah damage is too high. Love for them to tone down every champions base numbers/scaling and lower the cost of items of items so we can reach power spikes sooner without the game remaining who can 100-0 who first.
i dont think they should tone everyones dmg down (would take too long and fk many ppl over) why not just buff tank items, add more tank items, buff tanks, buff tank runes.
: I miss the days when you could build Shyvana as a Bruiser
arent they changing the jungle so that camps spawn sooner? doesnt tht mean power farming will be a little more of a thing you can do now?
: Chests should no longer contain champion shards
it should atleast be champs you dont own already or have it recognize when you need a specific champ for your next mastery tier and prioritize tht over champs you already own but dont rly play. or even just give us orange essense on top of the champ shard.
iSennª (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Nicomakii,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EaA9kToi,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-11-07T00:03:05.481+0000) > > more like 50 prestige points I would be okay with this. I could get myself a prestige skin :D
> [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EaA9kToi,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-11-07T00:04:14.566+0000) > > I would be okay with this. I could get myself a prestige skin :D only if you have 50 points already, i found tht the 25 they gave for anniversary was bad/wasted on most people. its like they're saying '' here's a free 25points towards a prestige skin :D, now cough up the dosh for 75 more if you want to actually use it before it expires >:D''.
xelaker (NA)
: {{champion:432}} 230 {{champion:267}} 160 {{champion:497}} 120 {{champion:37}} 110 {{champion:16}} 200 {{champion:350}} 161 {{champion:26}} 1100 (ult) All max level. These look like too much to you? Prob missing some, but you can get the picture here. By the time a support has a heal to max level most assassins can use a single ability to drop that much health. Hell, half of them can auto for that much by that point. You're a bit late to be ragging on the enchanter/healer meta.
if we're not taking items into play here, the assassins wont be doing tht much with 1 ability. if you want to take into consideration all the assassins abilities then we could do the same for supports. {{champion:497}} shields twice with a heal, {{champion:267}} heal bounces to heal twice and do dmg i believe and gives ms, {{champion:432}} can heal you 3 times, {{champion:37}} heal+shield on one ability, {{champion:16}} dummy thicc heal with regen, {{champion:350}} heals twice with ms, {{champion:26}} your whole HP bar + his revive. {{champion:40}} 220 shield and a 200 over time heal. all this is mentioning only their heals and shields without their cc abilities. so pretty much an assassin without items vs support without items doesn't beat the support. do assassins need major buffs? no, do they need to add a shield killing item? personally i'd say yes, do they need to stop delaying assassins dmg? yes. that fizz rework where you had to wait around 3secs to do your burst was dumb.
: > [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8kxu6la0,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-11-06T15:09:05.373+0000) > > Never mind the fact that the primary counter to assassins is healing..... (outside of a Zhonya's off cooldown) > > P.S. Lethality isn't dropping. It's actually increasing. Go to the PBE and buy more than one Lethality item. They have a SET BONUS now (Tools of Draktharr) that enhances their CDR/Lethality based on how many Lethality items your champ owns. No, the counter of assassins is not healing. Healing is the counter of damages over time and poking. A burst of damage doesnt let any time to heal. Thus assassins are designed to counter healing
except a lot of assassins have had their insta burst taken away/set back for more counter play, so healing and shields are indeed the counter to some, if not all assassins too. rather than giving it grievous wounds since executioners calling already has that, they should really make a shield killing item. grievous wounds but on shields.
Blam (NA)
: I like the idea, it would only be a shame the only skin he gets would be a legacy. He's not even that unpopular. I don't understand why he hasn't gotten any skins.
> [{quoted}](name=Blam,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AjFvEwEj,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-06T22:55:59.260+0000) > > I like the idea, it would only be a shame the only skin he gets would be a legacy. > > He's not even that unpopular. I don't understand why he hasn't gotten any skins. he's not super meta (constantly taken toplane in pro play/ high ranks) or female. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: auto lose {{item:3001}} {{item:3194}} {{item:3065}} {{item:3156}} {{item:3139}} {{item:3111}}
gl finding a meta champ that can build more than 2 of those items and still be good (not including boots)
Rioter Comments
Helmight (NA)
: So what exactly is it that makes new Pantheon so strong? I've been trying to crunch it out in my head and I honestly can't understand what makes him pick/ban at Worlds. EDIT: Not trying to imply that he's not broken, I'm just legitimately curious.
> [{quoted}](name=Helmight,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EI6Pij9n,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-23T04:58:20.048+0000) > > So what exactly is it that makes new Pantheon so strong? I've been trying to crunch it out in my head and I honestly can't understand what makes him pick/ban at Worlds. > > EDIT: Not trying to imply that he's not broken, I'm just legitimately curious. people dont like how strong his Q is and his E lets him avoid all dmg, even tower shots.
: Also, can we NOT delete TT? I was relying and having that to play while preseason sorts itself out...
there's always aram, aka see the same op champs due to aram only accounts and having games decided by champ select most the time. rito pls bring back aram bans. ( and while you're at it, have every champ be available for aram )
C9 Scott (NA)
: How exactly are players that give up every game still allowed to play?
personally i think you shouldn't get in trouble for flaming someone if they deserve it (actually inting/trolling ) or if they start talking shit first. just not anything life threatening or racial
: Counterplay to garen?
try malphite or nasus with frozen heart. slowing his attack speed with the item and your abilities would destroy his damage i would imagine. that and you're building armor.
Ekko Jg (NA)
: Which item do you believe is the most toxic/unbalanced
: its either ban garen or lose now.
play malphite or nasus and build frozen heart
Salron88 (EUW)
: is there any melee champion top who can trade with mordekaiseR?
i would imagine kled and fiora would stomp him.
: If they ever do decide to add more slots, they'll probably cost be or rp just like name changes and extra rune pages lol
those cost blue essence as well though. so its welcomed.
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