: How to prevent your team from feeding?
l MrD l (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Dope Solo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=THYU0Eat,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-16T21:41:30.031+0000) > > Lux doesnt have Xerath range on her Q. true but she has an easy delete a few squishy champs at once range combo rather than an AOE poke skill .... yes Xerath can E W Q you to death but thats only single target and only late ... lux does it mid game
Lux is unbalanced, is too safe and needs a nerf. If that's your standard then Xerath would be unbalanced too. I'm also pretty confident that Xerath beats the hell out of lux in lane, like he does other artillery mages.
l MrD l (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Dope Solo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=THYU0Eat,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-16T21:05:21.713+0000) > > His identity is a super long range artillery mage that does high damage despite never being in any danger. He's got single target CC and his main attack actually goes through minions. again lux does that but better
Lux doesnt have Xerath range on her Q.
l MrD l (NA)
: can i get an opinion from riot about Xerath?
His identity is a super long range artillery mage that does high damage despite never being in any danger. He's got single target CC and his main attack actually goes through minions.
: vladimir needs a buff, if hes against anyone tanky he does 0 damage, 0 damage vs nasus, 0 damage vs tahm, 0 damage vs malphite, and if the opponent is squishy then he can get media-core damage if they let him get off impowered Q, if not, and they can avoid his E's, hes constantly pushed into tower, mid-late game, if your slightly behind hes useless, and even ahead hes still a very media-core champ
https://u.gg/lol/champions/vladimir/build 50.6% win rate, 23% ban rate. Vlad does NOT need a buff.
: Mordes New Ult is dumb
I want to see Faker get Mordekais-R'd and lose worlds like the time he got Malza-R'd and lost worlds.
: Yasuo's Early Game is Too Good
https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/06/ask-riot-yasuo-gets-banned/ https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/rAmdFJlk-why-is-no-one-mentioning-tryndamere-and-yasuo-with-the-new-ie-changes https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/tZjskxdn-40-true-damage https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Tq9MogFE-yasuo-and-his-ult-safety https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/7T3cVkeL-yasuo-hate-train https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/nEbzELmq-yasuo-needs-to-be-changed https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/HuauPWN0-riot-what-happened-to-the-potential-yasuo-changes-from-2017 Eat sh*t riot. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/dc5yq3i9-now-that-yasuo-has-reached-pick-or-ban-status-in-pro-play https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/UiNpdbNp-riot-should-prolly-look-at-yasuo-at-some-point https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/EcE29NFQ-i-hope-the-yasuo-buffs-come-through https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/AHtzRAeR-can-yasuo-get-some-removals-like-ireliaakali https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/EFhVVgfE-riot-why-is-yasuos-q-an-aoe-for-both-its-uses-heal-for-100-lifesteal https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/iJ7UKwwr-the-yasuo-lie https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/mMhwEj7r-where-is-yasuo-nerf-after-93-critic-items-buff https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/9HhWmgB8-we-gut-entire-champions-kits-but-for-yasuo https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ApTEofvg-having-yasuo-unbanned-is-actually-a-nightmare-in-all-elos https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/H1UgXzAT-as-a-s8-yasuo-main https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/sdnbcmO6-reminding-everyone-that-yasuo-has-a-62-banrate-at-diamond-above Oh, and just to be “fair and balanced” here’s some reddit threads, because ‘boards’. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/axnylk/yasuo_isnt_even_getting_banned_hes_getting_double/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/aubdq9/yasuo_is_sitting_at_a_70_banrate_in_platinum/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ap9z8e/yasuo_is_not_as_weak_early_as_he_is_supposed_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ax8t0u/paper_on_leagues_balance_and_design_philosophy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/alcxsz/with_all_the_changes_to_akali_and_irelia_i_wonder/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/aexlfi/nice_yasuo_windwall_hitbox/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/auo5mq/yasuo_is_the_definition_of_low_risk_high_reward/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/awd8ms/how_to_trade_against_yasuo/
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 14
Can you make statement on current condition of matchmaking?
: How to defend against Tahm Ketch.
Let's list all the reasons NOT to nerf Tahm Kench. 1. Tahm is popular in Korea. {{champion:103}} 2. You just need to learn to play against him. 3. Tahm isn't even that good and has no presence in pro play (anymore, thanks rito). {{champion:238}} 4. Tham is a mechanically intensive champ with a high skill floor. {{champion:238}} {{champion:92}} 5. We can't nerf Tahm because he's popular. {{champion:157}} 6. Git gud. 7. ???
: Who else is excited to play Leagues Auto Chess?
About as excited as I was for Clash.
: Learn to dodge skillshots. Also, Riot needs to nerf Aftershock, not Lux. Aftershock is why she's seeing a ton of play right now.
: Zed every match it seems
: So two things. Firstly, let's be honest, your screenshots aren't even showing off an impressive disparity.(Look at my match history losses for some fun ones. Secondly, matchmaking is pretty much impossible to actually balance until you get to the higher tiers...where there aren't enough players to actually make it work effectively. Here is why: Let's say you have 2 similarly skilled players by every metrics except one mains {{champion:75}} and the other mains {{champion:92}}. Riven crushed this matchup easy so it looks like riot matchmaking is bad. When you have 10 different players and 140 champions with unique abilities and interactions it just gets insane to actually balance. On the flip side sometimes their matchmaking(particularly in series) is handing one team a free win.(https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3062674788/38386924?tab=overview is a great example where we have an Orianna smurf on our team and they have a 43% winrate Voli on a series on their team) So honestly, 80% of games are actually pretty well matched, though because of all the moving pieces it often doesn't look that way. Cheers!{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Yeah I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on that. Being of equal matchmaking means you know you've been counterpicked and you stay back and play accordingly. Someone that feeds into those matchups wasn't equally matched.
Kazekiba (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NNcsvtOv,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-09T15:27:15.838+0000) > > What's your problem with design team? I thought the balance team was the bad one. xD People tend to forget the people making numbers changes and trying to get champions in various states are not the same people designing Neeko or Zoe
Rioter Comments
: ...W is the poke I'm talking about, not Q.
Kelg (NA)
: Tahm needs hotfixed
LOL look at how long {{champion:103}} and {{champion:238}} have been S tier in mid. Look at {{champion:8}} win and ban rates for these champs.
Axxuka (NA)
: You do realise she gotta steal the element she wants from the actual terrain ? Stealth is only possible with a bush to steal nature/ Ice comes from the river Earth comes from wall and general terrain. Her hard CC is actually limited to her ult and the river while stealth requires a bush nearby.
That stuff is literally all over the map. ? ? ?
Saezio (EUNE)
: ? I like it smaller. What's the point of it blocking the screen more? might as well be just 2 buttons "yes" "no"
It can be smaller, whatever. Its blocking the screen by not being able to move it into the corner.
Axxuka (NA)
: She can't do all at once... Her only hard CC is the ult conditionnal stun+knockback. The root, stealth and missing HP dmg are three different version of her Q and she can only do two of them in one combo ( Q,W,Q) and she can only do dmg with her ult if the enemy in a river/bush or near a wall. She technically loses some dmg if she chooses the CC and mobility of her Q.
^ This is what an apologist comment looks like.
Rioter Comments
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 7
How long will Ahri and Zed be allowed to remain S+ tier before they see nerfs? Can you make statement on current condition of matchmaking?
: riots matchmaking
The matchmaker is known garbage this season. Just pretend it isn't happening and don't talk about it, its what riot does.
SanKakU (NA)
: No, they buffed it massively. Do you even read patch notes? The only nerf Devour got makes it deal less damage to enemies with significantly high levels of HP, which is no champion in the early game.
Of course I read the patch notes, which is why I said they nerfed it for all practical applications. Did you even read the patch notes? The damage on the minion spit was also nerfed, and if you have no damage on a high hp target you essentially can't play top lane with any effectiveness.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: Who told you that proplay gutted him? he was a fucking garbage designed support who nullified 99% of league's spells on an adc with W, even if it weren't for pro play such design should not be allowed in this game
So his W was a coxblock in pro...so what? Did games stop entirely, no.
SanKakU (NA)
: Just gut the devour base damage values, buff its scaling and then he's fine. He's incredibly out of control every bit as much as people claim and probably more, but the changes needed are not very many.
They already gutted the damage in every aspect of devour. It does practically nothing now outside of asthetic/thematic value.
: is there an OFFICIAL reason to why matchmaking sucks?
https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3058329715/235846497?tab=overview
: Given his high ban rate, Riot's new [balance framework](https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-gb/2019/05/dev-champion-balance-framework/) dictates that he will get nerfed if he has >52.5% winrate Gold I and below **or** >52% winrate between Plat and Grandmaster **or** >45% pick/ban status in Challenger **or** >90% pick/ban status in pro play on the current patch **or** >80% pick/ban status in pro play across 2 patches. I don't know if any of those apply to Zed, but if you're interested to know if he will receive nerfs you can surely check for yourself.
>52.5% win rate while ban rate is above 5x the ABR
Rioter Comments
: Updating the Gameplay Rules
This sounds like a solution looking for a problem.
: so op she rarely wins ad assassin match ups so op she loses to a kid with a bear ..
Rioter Comments
Shahamut (NA)
: Ryze gets yet ANOTHER rework...
I want to see Faker get MordekaisR'd, like he got MalzaR'd last season lol!
: > [{quoted}](name=HeyItzSteve,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EgrRWKML,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-02T18:02:14.484+0000) > > You can drag the surrender box off the screen if you are getting distracted from it. You can't do that anymore, which is why I made this thread.
Its almost like riot doesn't play their own game.
Rioter Comments
: Because how else would I know about this bug?
Ain't nobody got time for that.
: Evelynn Bami's/Sunfire/Cinderhulk bug
: If you want the sustain take normal red. Corrupting Potion is a damage centric item.
: Can You Finally Fix the Matchmaking?
https://imgur.com/a/sQf7k8V https://imgur.com/a/Gb65gY6
: not sure why you keep spamming these as "evidence" considering every single one of these threads has a post in them that disproves them.
These 4-feeder games wouldn't be happening if the matchmaker wasn't hot garbage. The difference in match quality between last season and this one is pretty clear. Riot made some change that coincided with (the failure of) positional ranks, and game quality continues to be in decline because of it. Look: Here's another one. https://imgur.com/a/nyPG8q1
: Just Wanted To Share My Last Game Before i Quit League
The matchmaker is fucked. Its not a secret. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/bJGIUebU-when-will-the-devs-admit-matchmaking-isnt-fit-for-purpose-anymore?comment=0002000000000000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/A4T02FAs-this-matchmaker-is-garbage?comment=000000000000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/XjEJP0j8-match-making?comment=00050000000000000000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ILr8RYfP-if-you-want-to-use-a-mmr-based-matchmaking
: What is this new surrender vote box?
Riot doesn't play their own game.
: 80% Winrate in B3
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/bJGIUebU-when-will-the-devs-admit-matchmaking-isnt-fit-for-purpose-anymore?comment=0002000000000000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/A4T02FAs-this-matchmaker-is-garbage?comment=000000000000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/XjEJP0j8-match-making?comment=00050000000000000000 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ILr8RYfP-if-you-want-to-use-a-mmr-based-matchmaking https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/5Oi74MZB-just-wanted-to-share-my-last-game-before-i-quit-league
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bJGIUebU,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-31T19:05:46.409+0000) > > Seems more like a "you" problem. If feeders are in all of your games, then youre the feeder. yer ofc. Maybe look at the images before replying and you would see its not me
I've had the same issues and it's not just you, check my post history for similar issue I reported yesterday. My advice is to wait for a dev corner post and ask for a comment on the state of the matchmaker directly. Alternatively you can tweet your questions directly to the devs. Something is clearly wrong and match quality has gone down considerably this season.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Seems more like a "you" problem. If feeders are in all of your games, then youre the feeder.
This isn't helpful nor does it have any value. The matchmaker is clearly busted and has gotten more than an average amount of commentary in the last couple of months.
: **Then don't use a fucking picture of their KDA as justification for why matchmaking is bad**
In case you didn't notice genius, there's a lot more in that picture than just kdas. Interesting that that is what you chose to focus on though.
Kai Guy (NA)
: If its made around the concepts of Arpad Elo then you are incorrect. His system Is not statistical. Nowadays is mostly logistical distribution and tracking wins/losses + who played who. Rn=Ro+K(W-WE) new rating after a game is RN. Ro was rating used prior to make the game. K is uncertainty. Where on the ladder you are and/or how many games you played in the que. W is match results. Win or loss. WE is if there are system expectations for unfair games built off the probability theory of class intervals. NONE of this takes stats from the game. It never subjectively rates anything ever. Its not a statistical system of in game information. I own Arpad Elos book on the topic. I can literally provide you quotes from him if you need. So, just to be shure. What Your claiming is that riots lying and does not actually use a MMR system? MMR is an Elo derivative, that's a fairly well established understanding.
Derivative is a very broad term. I would expect that the system you describe does exist as a component in the actual more inclusive and modern system, which is proprietary and undisclosed. Think about all of the information that is collected, displayed and recorded over the course of a match. You think it just floats away? You think positional matchmaking doesn't have variables present in that simplistic equation you reposted? This has been a fairly unstimulating chat, and I'll have to be going to bed.
Kai Guy (NA)
: https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Dope+Solo Your Ranked MMR is at a level where Bad players are expected to exist. every mismatched new account should be moving positively or negatively thru Silver MMR. Its not shocking or suprising to find games with shitty teammates or enemys. Normals are much less accurate in MM. Your still evading. Any player can pick something subpar as long as they have it unlocked on their account for any reason. There is a massive amount of players with recorded history of champions they play only 1-3 games on and never played consistently and this is across multiple MMRS not just bronze or gold. Again. Far as i know, Positional MM is still in place. You still have a simple question to answer. I want a blunt reply with no ambiguity. From your response what seems to be implied is riots using a statistical system off in game subjective data. I want to make this clear. Do you want to claim that Riots using a Statistical system and not MMR? Edit. Because MMR is not a subjective system. Its probability theory and wins or losses and who your vs. That's it. So your Stats falls apart when the claim is a system that's not built off that.
The MMR **is **a statistical system. Obviously it gives each player a score based on their performance and an array of in-game behaviors. It is the mismatching of scores or misappropriation of scores that leads to mismatches in gameplay - which do exist, and quite frequently which is easy enough to observe. The quality of that matchmaking is subject to a performance grade, reflecting riots actual ability to create a quality match and this is the topic of this post. Suggesting otherwise would require that random in game elements make matches impossible to predict regardless of score which is on its face ridiculous and would defeat the purpose of having a matchmaker in the first place. What is your level of education?
Kai Guy (NA)
: Positional Ques died. For the record far as i know Positional MM is still in place. You can call players Apologists. You can insult riot you can be a dick to random users. You have a very simple question asked again and again. How exactly is it that MM is able to predict your teammates behaviors prior to a lobby?
You're kidding right? Is this some kind of joke? Are you unable to understand a simple concept like correlating relative skill levels to in game choices and behaviors? Is that what you're really saying? Because you're essentially suggesting that choices made between players of different skill levels can't be predicted by a statistical algorithm, choices like warding and positioning between bronze and gold players as examples. What **else ** do you think the matchmaker would be predicting lol?
Kai Guy (NA)
: Again. As the guy has asked you over and over now. How was MM to know that your jungler would first time his pick. AND your AFK would afk. BEFOR lobby was made? MMR is used to pull all 10 players into a game, how would MM know if your teams that it thinks are fair because of MMR # would have a first time pick or an afk prior to the lobby being made? You need to address this. Its a very easy question.
Yeah thats bullshit and clearly misses the real issue. For starters that new jg was **filled to jg by the matchmaker**. Played 4 games tonight - all 4 were full of feeders with zero chance of winning the match. Not just full of feeders, but up against a team that were nearly solid. https://imgur.com/a/u0oRtSj https://imgur.com/a/LL5NuHF https://imgur.com/a/JPtXAaB https://imgur.com/a/osxGi6e It's every time I turn on the game now, most of them are like this. There are several posts about the matchmaker quality every day now. Its time for the issue to be addressed and the apologists can sit down and shut up. Again, this is a completely different feel from last season and the difference is **BAD**. We just went through a period where riot tried out another bright idea called positional matchmaking **that failed spectacularly in case you forgot**. Apparently, they aren't done ruining the game yet.
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