I think the main issue is that if you're speccing for maximum damage, which most mages want, this slots neatly in to help. It's now Sorcs + Morello + this + Rabs + Void. Reducing the AP helps but I think you're greatly undervaluing the strength of MPen

Now it's busted in a different way. Mages can now build this + the other MPen items to reach 48 MPen, enough to freely do true damage on any squishy who doesn't specifically build MR. Immediate problems occur.

You can't use Oblivion orb as part of the recipe. Riot makes sure items don't lose anything from upgrading, so the final item would have to have MPen if you wanna use Oblivion

That's not too uncommon between patches. If they don't send anything it's gonna be some kind of under the hood stuff, either patching some bugs, prepping for future patches, optimizing something, etc. There's a lot they can want to send out.

I can show you a clip on Twisted Treeline from 2 years ago of her doing the exact same shit. I have no idea how to reproduce it, and fuck is it annoying, but it's been around a while.

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I have no idea what you're talking about. He has none at all. His Q does increased damage as the opponent is low HP, but it does not actually scale off of the opponent's HP. If you have 10,000 HP, he won't suddenly do 2k or whatever. That got changed a while back. As for his ult, the kick back damage on secondary targets deals bonus damage based on the kicked target's bonus HP, but that's it. He has no other % HP anything.

I believe it does, just not meaningful damage. It's pretty useless for clearing waves

{{champion:421}} The way they portray her as an absolute unstoppable predator, the story that starts her with how fucking terrifying she is, I still absolutely adore it.

{{champion:421}} She's gonna get nothing new ever. Including skins... She's gonna be forgotten completely.

> [{quoted}](name=CominTowardsYa,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2NOxR8yz,comment-id=00160000,timestamp=2019-11-07T02:18:27.405+0000) > > I can’t Kha’Zix to save my life, but that’s a crazy kill count bro. Jumping all over hogging all the kills I bet. More accurately, no one else on my team was able to do anything. My team got hard wiped trying to take baron and I had a mad rampage in the enemy red buff area jungle, stealthing around 1v5 and picking bastards off. Got 3 before getting taken down.

You must be new to watching. Yes, Pantheon is a problem, but I've yet to see a Worlds that doesn't have a champion at 100% pick/ban, if not more than one. Fuck, Kassadin was 100% pick/ban for seasons, plural. I don't think Pantheon's going to stand out as anything particularly notable in the long term. If anything, the biggest issue was that picking ADC was "Kai'Sa, Xayah or just a mage or some shit idfk"

40+ on Kha'Zix jungle.

It does that in draft too

Thank you for shutting down the central flawed premise OP puts up.

I'm glad someone has the balls to say it. If you're flaming, stop fucking playing League. You're sacrificing the fun of 9 other people in exchange for you feeling a little better? Guess what. You're a petulant little brat. Get the fuck out of multiplayer games and go do something solo so the only way to release your rage is to break all your stuff. I don't know why so many people don't get that.

ok, but they're still people too. No one wants to hear your toxic abuse. Bottling up anger isn't healthy, but maybe learn to handle your anger in a more productive way instead of flaming.

> [{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eE397g4g,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-25T07:03:05.467+0000) > > They are secretly doritos thats why they have no salsa. > And there will be a sponsorship like LV. Fritolay is actually a subsidary under Pepsi. It's mega-corp after all like Mastercard. > > ...I'm joking but still one can dream. Definitely not any of the nacho flavoured as you can tell from the colour, probably Cool Ranch if I had to guess.

So the thing is that if you spam right click while you're AAing, it'll go at the proper AS. It's dumb and jank as fuck, but it does work. That's probably why Riot feels this is low enough priority to not fix right now.

No ults along with a lot of meaningful cooldowns still ticking down. Not to mention summoners.

I'm pretty sure the term is cleanup. Y'all burned all of your ults on his team so the big cooldowns weren't there to stop Jax, so he could go to town and kill y'all's already dented HP bars.

I know I've seen a clip of a full build Amumu trying to run past a Zed for... reasons (I don't know what they were, pretty sure it was valid though) and Zed didn't want him to. Full combo, dump everything, and Amumu's HP bar barely budges. He just keeps going as if Zed wasn't even there. It was hilarious.

Can confirm as a Top/Jg main, I get to play both parts of the Sadomasochistic relationship.

Also, fun fact, 5.2k is absolutely not enough to 100-0 any self-respecting tank at full build. They'll have easily 4k HP, so as long as they have more than (I'm spitballing off the top of my head) 30 armour after all Zed's penetration, they'll be fine. Since, obviously, they'll have way more, Zed's not killing them solo.

I'm super tempted to see what happens if Zed does an optimal combo. Triple Shuriken, E, 2 Autos, passive proc, Electrocute, ult amp, everything. See if that can kill an Amumu or Sej with all their defensive buffs.

Because he's not being enlightened. He's not going to yield his opinions based on what I did. He's just going to keep going forwards with his own false perceptions.

It used to work that way. The problem was that certain champions (_COUGH_ {{champion:33}} _COUGH_) abused the hell out of it. Unfortunately, flat has its own issues.

Hey Meddler, I'm curious what y'all think about Yuumi now that you've seen her out for a bit? I know she's super unexplored space, but do you think she's healthy? If you want my personal take, I think she's a new Kalista, fundamentally flawed and requires massive work to be reasonable, but I want your take.

Yuumi is very, very much not dead. She is a frustrating plague that requires massive work to be ok to play with.

I want you to pick a juggernaut and attempt to reach Kalista. Assuming she's at all competent on her champ, it's NEVER going to happen. Like, they're supposed to be vulnerable to kiting, that's a class thing, but kitebot 9000 takes it way too far. That's the biggest fundamental issue. Like, let's say a Garen runs into a lone ADC in a side lane. There's no backup coming, someone has to die. It all comes down to "How much damage can the ADC do to Garen before he can reach them". For most, it's a good amount as they kite backwards, but he will reach them eventually, assuming he survives that long.. Kalista's amount is infinite, since her kiting is so good he just can't begin to reach her.

No, a complete rework. A champion who hard counters as hard as she does has no place in this game as is.

Kalista is an entirely different problem from any other champion and comparing her to them is absurd

Vegeta loves to go on and on about Saiyan's special properties as warrior race. They improve over the course of a battle. They're naturally gifted at it. Stuff like that. Goku needed ~~many hours~~ 40 minutes to get fully ramped up and ready for MUI, just like Vegeta needed time for SSBE and the Universe 6 Saiyans needed time to reach SSJ2, then uncontrollable roid mode, then controllable roid mode, etc. It's a Saiyan property to make writer's jobs so much easier.

I believe the way it works is that MF works is that it does a ton of damage in tiny increments that the Knight's damage reduction applies to each bit of. What's 25 - 30 = ? It doesn't matter how many hits MF ult does, it's 0 all the same.

It's TFT

So that's why you started sending messages in that 4 year old thread. Well, my original point still stands, even after these years. {{champion:421}} JG main, though I'm not a one-trick like I was back then.

Given the way they talk about Saiyan's specialness... This is disturbingly accurate

I can start doing more math to prove you wrong. Would you like to continue being proven ignorant?

You should show us a clip of a tanky jungler getting 100-0ed by a Zed who fucks up that badly. I doubt they'd even meaningfully notice the damage. For reference, Here's the damage calcs. I will assume for best possible chance that Zed has already finished his Serrated Dirk and Amumu and Sejuani have just a Ruby crystal (and jungle item which gives no stats), on their way towards their Cinderhulk. I'll also do my best to add runes for damage + tankiness. On Zed's side, Death mark does 100% tAD + 25% damage dealt during mark duration. So how much is 25%? It's gotta be a lot given that Zed only has 112.2 (76.4 base + 25 from Dirk + 10.8 from runes) AD to start the Death Mark. I'll be extremely generous and add all of Ignite's 170 true damage into Death Mark's damage amp, even though only 3 seconds of the 5 second DoT would normally apply. So our total damage is up to 170 true + 144.7 Physical damage. But wait, I hear you say, Electrocute is busted. Well 1, it wouldn't even proc in this instance. Not enough triggers given that everything missed. But, like I did with ignite, I'll give this calculation the best possible chance. Somehow, the game bugged and Electrocute went off _AND_ got added to the Death Mark damage. What's that look like? Well, Electrocute does 74.12 base + 14.32 scaling damage for a total of 88.44 physical damage, a total of 110.55 when accounting for Death Mark's ramp. So that's the damage total. 170 True Damage + 255.25 Physical damage. Even ignoring resistances, This would not kill a level 1 Anivia/Yuumi (Tied with the lowest base HP at 480). Suffice to say, this would NEVER kill a level 6 tank. But ok, maybe he hit his E. That's pretty hard to screw up with his ult. How much would that do? Level 1 Zed E is 70 + 28.64 scaling, total of 98.64 physical damage * 1.25 for Death Mark amp gets you 123.3 damage. New Total: 170 True, 378.55 Physical. Now, would that kill a level 1 Lux (Champion with, as best as I can tell, the lowest Effective HP at level 1)? Well, Lux has 11.39 armour, accounting for Dirk's Lethality, which means her effective HP is (490 * 1.1139 =) 545.811. 545.811 - 378.55 = 167.261 HP remaining. Ignite DoT would kill (Yes, I need to convert back because this is effective HP against physical and ignite is true damage, but it kills either way). Barely. I'm not even going to bother doing the math for your precious tanks. They'd be fine. And this calculations were EXTREMELY generous. If I went based solely on your parameters, that Zed combo wouldn't 100-0 literally anyone in the game. To anyone who read this, thank you for your time.

Wow ok, 4 year old post response. For the record, Rek'Sai is still my main, I am a jungle main, top secondary. What's this about loving a portrait?

Here's the problem with all this bitching. There's nothing anyone can do about it. People play champs they want to play. That's it. Back when some of those champs were quite weak, people were still playing them, because they're fun. Lee Sin's pick rate has always been high because he's extremely fun to play. Yasuo's been at 44% win rate before, where it's a definite bad move to ever pick him, and his pick rate was still astoundingly high. That's it. Players pick what they want.

_cries in {{champion:421}}_ ... wait, she has no eyes, which means no tear ducts...

I'm not as filled with hate towards Yuumi as some of the people in this thread, but I'm not sure why she requires balls to play, given that she's literally untargettable for most of the game.

I absolutely hate this idea. I play ARAM for bloody murderfests, and this would do a lot to stymie those, ESPECIALLY the fountain regen. If you lose most of you HP, the solution is to make a suicide play and make the most of your remaining life, then respawn with fresh items. That's the nature of the gamemode.

Do you know how much fucking money I'd pay for a fucking Kled announcer? THINK ABOUT HOW AMAZING THAT WOULD BE!

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Rammus is helpless to approach her, given that Charm cancels Powerball. Not to mention the kiting. Her true damage Q return can also do notable damage to him.

{{champion:421}}? Everyone forgets about her

That's not that comparable for this discussion. Pro games are always way less bloody than soloQ. Which means fewer opportunities for Pyke to make mad bank with his ult

While yes, I did primarily refer to them as doubles, I wasn't unaware of the term float. I should've gotten it regardless.