: > [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2018-10-30T15:56:29.079+0000) > > I won't until they admit their sexism. Who at Riot are you hoping will admit that and do you feel they will ever come to Boards and read your thread?
> [{quoted}](name=Colonel J,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=000d00000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T23:48:18.524+0000) > > Who at Riot are you hoping will admit that and do you feel they will ever come to Boards and read your thread? Just Riot's representative team in general. Someone at Riot to make an honest post either in their news or fuck, I'd even just take twitter. Somewhere where we can see that they understand why it was a problem so we can hold them to it that they aren't going to do it again.
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> [{quoted}](name=A Bad Varus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2018-10-30T17:03:28.503+0000) > > Never forget. > > And since the topic is back, it is important to stay angry at the companies doing this. The other day I read an article about a "women only parking" section in the UK. If we let Riot get away with it, soon everyone will. It's just another instance of "We're doing a bad thing, but it's for a good reason so it's k". Like, Once again, I understand the intention, but this is hardly resolving the actual issue. And once again showing "segregation is bad, except certain denominations benefit and then it's k".
: Give it a rest. Every time you spam this, you get the same people circle jerking you. You're not being productive, you're not changing people's minds. Go elsewhere with your complaints.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2018-10-30T16:02:40.850+0000) > > Give it a rest. Every time you spam this, you get the same people circle jerking you. You're not being productive, you're not changing people's minds. Go elsewhere with your complaints. But it's keeping it alive. It is the constant reminder that won't let boards or Riot forget. And that's my goal. As long as it doesn't get forgotten I'm happy. Which is why it was nice that even with my ban I saw that one thread stay alive for about 4 or 5 days. PS. > [{quoted}](name=Environmentalist,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:29:57.230+0000) > > Obnoxious. Props for sharing! Sways my decision on whether or not to buy that Worlds Pass. :) I already consider that a win.
: You and Notsid, man. If you're going to do it then at least be tactful about it. Yeah it was shitty to do. They fired thenworst offenders but it's clear they're going to stick to their opinion even though plenty of people disagree with it. This is the part where you either leave, or nod your head, be disappointed in a bad decision, hope they learned and will do better next time, and move on.
> [{quoted}](name=ChickenWrap,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2018-10-30T15:52:54.055+0000) > > You and Notsid, man. If you're going to do it then at least be tactful about it. > > Yeah it was shitty to do. They fired thenworst offenders but it's clear they're going to stick to their opinion even though plenty of people disagree with it. > > This is the part where you either leave, or nod your head, be disappointed in a bad decision, hope they learned and will do better next time, and move on. I won't until they admit their sexism. And I'm going to be that constant reminder on the boards. If they learned, they would've at least had the decency to say "Look, we get it, we went around empowerment the wrong way." Instead they choose to stand by it even going to say they're proud of it. So how can we even say they'll do better next time when as far as we've seen they are completely okay with what they've done so far.
RuFiot (EUW)
: Do you have a link? (I didn't find it in "discuss the boards") Did you ask for someone higher up the chain to reexamine the case, cause you are not satisfied with the answer and think you are right? an Herald said to me that they are willing to do it if you ask (they say they sometimes revert ruling bla bla bla ), but more important - > Why? Do you know why you have gotten banned? for posting social issue which they have decided that is not closely related, do you have any idea how you decide if something is closely related or not?
> [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=0008000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T13:30:04.846+0000) > > Do you have a link? (I didn't find it in "discuss the boards") > > Did you ask for someone higher up the chain to reexamine the case, cause you are not satisfied with the answer and think you are right? an Herald said to me that they are willing to do it if you ask (they say they sometimes revert ruling bla bla bla ), but more important - > > Do you know why you have gotten banned? for posting social issue which they have decided that is not closely related, do you have any idea how you decide if something is closely related or not? https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/4EiJugXf-i-got-banned-for-a-day-discussing-gender-by-referencing-the-principles-of-riots-panel
RuFiot (EUW)
: You can now.. "they don't care" I'm sure they don't, but maybe they will tell you on how to decide if your future posts are standing in their criteria and what is their criteria anyways. Another thing is that if you are right (even if they not agree, they will have to make up some nonsense rule, and you will be able to use that ruling in the future to show-case unfairness or none-sense, those things do pile up eventually) it will be another case about that moderator (in your post you will be allowed to mention his name), and it will be visible to all to see, maybe more people will start to post their encounters in that board too (after seeing yours) and maybe someone higher up will have enough of his behavior
> [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=00080000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T13:12:49.303+0000) > > You can now.. "they don't care" I'm sure they don't, but maybe they will tell you on how to decide if your future posts are standing in their criteria and what is their criteria anyways. > > Another thing is that if you are right (even if they not agree, they will have to make up some nonsense rule, and you will be able to use that ruling in the future to show-case unfairness or none-sense, those things do pile up eventually) it will be another case about that moderator (in your post you will be allowed to mention his name), and it will be visible to all to see, maybe more people will start to post their encounters in that board too (after seeing yours) and maybe someone higher up will have enough of his behavior Why? we've already been around this last time I got banned. I posted it, hell the moderator even came in and posted the posts that got me banned. People saw it was BS, but it doesn't matter because Riot doesn't care as long as it's in line with their views (which is that the panel is fine) so the moderators share it and it all just trickles down.
: > I'm sure the mods will find another bs reason to ban me soon enough. If you got banned for spamming the exact same content over & over, I don't see the problem.
> [{quoted}](name=BeatzBoyFTW,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-10-30T12:17:06.439+0000) > > If you got banned for spamming the exact same content over & over, I don't see the problem. I wasn't banned for spamming. I was banned for posting a link pertaining to an an instance of traditional "sexism" where the public got an apology for an actual minor instance, portraying the difference in response between a minor instance of traditional "sexism" and an occurrence of sexism against men.
: I see you're taking being rightfully banned 2 weeks for saying things you shouldn't pretty well and clearly not raising a huge stink about it like how you proclaimed you wouldn't when you started making these threads ######/s Also - > [{quoted}](name=2nd Chance,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=O28VfNyQ,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-09-24T21:48:56.853+0000) > > I'm gonna be blunt > > You continuing to post like this is very counter-effective Can't say I didn't warn you dude
> [{quoted}](name=2nd Chance,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-10-30T12:17:06.383+0000) > > I see you're taking being rightfully banned 2 weeks for saying things you shouldn't pretty well and clearly not raising a huge stink about it like how you proclaimed you wouldn't when you started making these threads > > ######/s > > Also - > > Can't say I didn't warn you dude 2 weeks for one link "rightful".
afmghost (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-10-29T22:53:24.486+0000) > > And for those who are upset to see me back, don't worry, I'm sure the mods will find another bs reason to ban me soon enough. I got a three day van from the boards for asking for someone's discord so we can discuss things alone. The claim was that it was "off topic." Moderation here is a joke.
> [{quoted}](name=afmghost,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-10-30T12:07:22.987+0000) > > I got a three day van from the boards for asking for someone's discord so we can discuss things alone. The claim was that it was "off topic." > Moderation here is a joke. That's just... wow...
NotSid (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:02:16.342+0000) > > Yup, 2 weeks for posting a link to an article. And they justify that because I was banned for a day before for posting that Riot should only hire the females from telltale games until it's 50/50 because it's in the name of female empowerment. > > Edit: Oh, and bonus point because after it only being one particular mod who had been removing my stuff I called it out on his bias after he left others up (like the person calling me conservative staying while removing me saying I'd probably lean democrat or the one bringing up the alt-right) it just so happens that suddenly a different mod who banned me this time. Does that mod's name start with a U? (:
> [{quoted}](name=NotSid,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2018-10-30T11:48:42.396+0000) > > Does that mod's name start with a U? (: Yep.
RuFiot (EUW)
: Those are some good points on why your post was about social issue which are closely related to Riot, try to talk about it in "Discuss the Boards" while showing what was your original post, I think the point is to decide on what is considered closely related and what is not, and if your post do was closely related you will be able to post it again
> [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T11:44:47.747+0000) > > Those are some good points on why your post was about social issue which are closely related to Riot, try to talk about it in "Discuss the Boards" while showing what was your original post, > > I think the point is to decide on what is considered closely related and what is not, and if your post do was closely related you will be able to post it again I mean, not like I could then considering I was banned for 2 weeks. Besides, they don't care. Considering I doubt they've changed the mod team at all.
RuFiot (EUW)
: I think I remember the post you are referring to, it was the "channel magazine" one, right? Social issues which aren't closely related to Riot are forbidden, do you agree with that policy? (for example I can't start talking on abortion laws here) Do you agree that trolls (I don't think you are one) can use that rule *"Social issues which closely related to Riot are allowed"* and try to link between social issues which are not related to PAX to PAX, only so they can discuss on them ("PAX is happening meanwhile there is a group talking about giving men a voice in the abortion process"), I guess you can see the problem here? I think you shouldn't have got suspended, instead they should have explained to you, in detail, how to make sure your post is directly connected to PAX (what is the exact criteria), even maybe giving you the option on discussing your post with them in discord/boards-discussion before posting it, to help you understand how they decide on what is directly related and what is not.
> [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-10-30T09:23:39.607+0000) > > I think I remember the post you are referring too, it was the "channel magazine" one, right? > > Social issues which aren't closely related to Riot are forbidden, do you agree with that policy? (for example I can't start talking on abortion laws here) > > Do you agree that trolls (I don't think you are one) can use that rule *"Social issues which closely related to Riot are allowed"* and try to link between social issues which are not related to PAX to PAX, only so they can discuss on them ("PAX is happening meanwhile there is a group talking about giving men a voice in the abortion process"), I guess you can see the problem here? > > I think you shouldn't have got suspended, instead they should have explained to you, in detail, how to make sure your post is directly connected to PAX (what is the exact criteria), even maybe giving you the option on discussing your post with them in discord/boards-discussion before posting it, to help you understand how they decide on what is directly related and what is not. I was only showing it because it was showing how ridiculous the difference is. We have an instance of ACTUAL sexism here but because it's against men, people are okay with it and Riot stands by it and they're happy. Meanwhile you have a case where they claim sexist because of the magazine a woman is reading in an ad and they're able to get an apology for that. Like look at that difference. Actively banning men is fine but god forbid she chose that magazine herself and the "feminists" get in an uproar.
Drugoth (NA)
: {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} Interesting how this thread has remarkably few comments berating the opinion of this thread, yet the thread itself has multiple downvotes. Comments in the thread are generally upvoted. Conclusion: downvoters didn't read past the 1st page.
> [{quoted}](name=Drugoth,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-10-30T08:47:25.810+0000) > > {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} > > Interesting how this thread has remarkably few comments berating the opinion of this thread, yet the thread itself has multiple downvotes. Comments in the thread are generally upvoted. > > Conclusion: downvoters didn't read past the 1st page. Well, it's not just that. I'm just a downvote magnet. People see my name. They downvote. I'm fine with that, as long as it still gets the word out.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=00040000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T00:19:48.863+0000) > > No hate towards you either. Sometimes it's just a matter of opinion difference. > > Like I've said before multiple times on this issue, if you want more women in the industry, that's fine by me. But you gotta make the choice enticing to them. You don't force the issue by excluding men or giving women priority when hiring. Exactly this, I just think most females don’t want to go into the video game industry, I personally don’t see how this is any different then the fashion industry. It is predominantly female but no one is fighting to get more males in it.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=000400000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T00:24:17.333+0000) > > Exactly this, I just think most females don’t want to go into the video game industry, I personally don’t see how this is any different then the fashion industry. It is predominantly female but no one is fighting to get more males in it. Exactly. I mean, we're reiterating the same points as the last threads, but it has been 2 weeks. There are plenty of other industries out there that have a predominantly female base and yet there isn't any calls for equality there. like Nursing. Or in less desirable industries that are male-dominated like construction or sanitation. These are just as "imbalanced" as the video game/tech industry and yet no one minds. It really shouldn't matter HOW dominated one gender or the other is in a field as long as the potential applicants are given a fair shot regardless of gender. Now if you can prove they weren't, you've got my support for that case. But if you happen to have 50 employment opportunities and the 50 best applicants all happen to be women, there's NOTHING wrong with that. Just like how there's nothing wrong if those 50 best applicants happen to be men.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=00040000000000000001,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:34:19.245+0000) > > Reminder this is the same dude who did nothing and continued to do nothing when giant piles of evidence that many female Rioters had been discriminated against and sexually harassed for years and it was still happening in the present day, but instantly leaps into action to boycott and protest one fucking panel being 'women only' *despite the major functions of said panel being conducted outside the panel by Rioters still*. You don’t solve sexism with more sexism. You stand up against the people who are the problem, you don’t stand up against the people who would be on your side that you just denied the chance to.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=000400000000000000010002,timestamp=2018-10-30T00:12:26.317+0000) > > You don’t solve sexism with more sexism. You stand up against the people who are the problem, you don’t stand up against the people who would be on your side that you just denied the chance to. That's basically it. It's amazing the thinking people have. "I'm gonna solve my issue by treating people who would be sympathetic to me like the way the people I have a problem with treat me! That should get them on my side!" Like, people seem to have forgotten that the way to get your movement to gain ground isn't to constantly preach to the people that already agree with you, but to convince those either on the fence or (if possible) those that disagree with you to your side. Instead they choose to alienate for some reason.
: > [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:26:47.064+0000) > > Because this is their playerbase I'm talking to. Riot's not going to listen to just me and the majority of social media won't care because it doesn't affect them since they aren't part of this community. And until either I get banned or Riot finally apologizes, I will keep reminding people that Riot is sexist hypocrites. Reminder this is the same dude who did nothing and continued to do nothing when giant piles of evidence that many female Rioters had been discriminated against and sexually harassed for years and it was still happening in the present day, but instantly leaps into action to boycott and protest one fucking panel being 'women only' *despite the major functions of said panel being conducted outside the panel by Rioters still*.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=00040000000000000001,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:34:19.245+0000) > > Reminder this is the same dude who did nothing and continued to do nothing when giant piles of evidence that many female Rioters had been discriminated against and sexually harassed for years and it was still happening in the present day, but instantly leaps into action to boycott and protest one fucking panel being 'women only' *despite the major functions of said panel being conducted outside the panel by Rioters still*. You mean the one who did nothing when the article came out and then waited for Riot's response once people started coming out because we had nothing but their word which was nicer than at least Kotaku's biased bs. The one where Riot like 2 days if that after it was brought to light came out and made an entire entry about how sorry they were and how they were gonna fix it. As opposed to this where they while being out in the open continue to stand by their sexist act. You are still banning men from it. That is fact. Once again we can reverse the situation and we'll see how true your comments hold. The panel is now male only. Is it sexist? If no, you're an idiot. If yes, you're a hypocrite. Pick your poison. It's great because I've had that dude blacklisted for so long, but if he wants to be like that. He's probably the same type of person that thinks a panel being dominated by one denomination because the other willingly won't speak up is the same as actively banning a denomination.
: Can not connect my riot and twitch accounts
Were you a male trying before 2:30?
: I just want it to be clear I'm in no way against your message, and riot definitely has some internal issues that they need to take a hard look at. I'm just suggesting that you use a platform that they can't take from you. I mean if you go on twitter or reddit do you really think you're going to be less able to inform actual players about these issues? I'm actually fairly sure most of the game's social community is on other things besides the official forum.
> [{quoted}](name=Tahngarthor,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:36:57.812+0000) > > I just want it to be clear I'm in no way against your message, and riot definitely has some internal issues that they need to take a hard look at. I'm just suggesting that you use a platform that they can't take from you. I mean if you go on twitter or reddit do you really think you're going to be less able to inform actual players about these issues? I'm actually fairly sure most of the game's social community is on other things besides the official forum. Twitter, I definitely won't. Reddit on the other hand, I've just never really been active on Reddit. As I said, I may not be a big name here, but I'm completely unknown there. Edit: Oh right, and I forgot about the part where Reddit was already deleting pretty much anything about this fiasco. Like even when it had just happened they were deleting it.
: > [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:26:47.064+0000) > > Because this is their playerbase I'm talking to. Riot's not going to listen to just me and the majority of social media won't care because it doesn't affect them since they aren't part of this community. And until either I get banned or Riot finally apologizes, I will keep reminding people that Riot is sexist hypocrites. honestly, it's pretty well known that there are internal issues, I'm just trying to tell you you can make a bigger difference elsewhere. Whether your message is directed directly at riot or at its players, it's not going to be effective here. You should also consider that few people are going to stop patronizing them just because you were critical of them in a forum post.
> [{quoted}](name=Tahngarthor,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:31:55.118+0000) > > honestly, it's pretty well known that there are internal issues, I'm just trying to tell you you can make a bigger difference elsewhere. Whether your message is directed directly at riot or at its players, it's not going to be effective here. > > You should also consider that few people are going to stop patronizing them just because you were critical of them in a forum post. I really can't. It's not like I'm known on social media. I'm just a random face in the crowd. But here, I may still not be a huge name, but I'm a 9 year veteran of the game and a constant forum-goer. As long as people still remember, I'm happy. And the people that need to remember are the players. Also, this isn't an internal issue problem. Remember, they acknowledged those. That came to light, they came out, they said "we're sorry. This shouldn't have happened. We're going to look internally. We're going to make this right and here's how." and then they gave a statement about what they were going to do and how they were going to foster an inclusive environment. Then they turned around and excluded men for being men. I mean, just look at the ending of the last page. I tipped someone who was on the fence about buying the worlds pass.
: > [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:25:03.104+0000) > > It's true. Pretty easy to look up, but here's the link to the tweet of one of the organizers. > > https://twitter.com/Riotswimbananas/status/1035565007025582080 > > But remember, in their minds it's okay because it's in the name of female empowerment. Obnoxious. Props for sharing! Sways my decision on whether or not to buy that Worlds Pass. :)
> [{quoted}](name=Environmentalist,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:29:57.230+0000) > > Obnoxious. Props for sharing! Sways my decision on whether or not to buy that Worlds Pass. :) And that's what I'm hear for. See Riot, there's a world's pass you missed out on all because you choose to stand by your sexism.
: > [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:19:51.748+0000) > > Originally he was yeah. Then I pointed it out. This one was then from Boggy. But I can literally go to my alerts and every single instance other than this one was removed by Ulanpo. Yeah, pretty sure this qualifies as biased incompetence in moderation performance. I also noticed that the notice given was slightly misworded as they said "PAX is the exception, your article linked is only tangentially related". Even so, moderation doing anything to your threads only suggests they want the issue to die even though they really don't have any reason to censor you.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:29:05.406+0000) > > Yeah, pretty sure this qualifies as biased incompetence in moderation performance. > > I also noticed that the notice given was slightly misworded as they said "PAX is the exception, your article linked is only tangentially related". Even so, moderation doing anything to your threads only suggests they want the issue to die even though they really don't have any reason to censor you. The best part is I actually put in a support ticket to Riot telling them they're sexist, that their mods are biased, and all that. The reply was "well, have you tried the boards?"
: > [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:20:13.116+0000) > > If I get perma'd I get perma'd. At least it'll be for a good reason. Maybe i'm missing something here. What good reason is there to get yourself banned? It sounds like this stems from you calling out Riot for sexism or something of that nature. It's generally not good form to on a company's public forum and smear them on their own forum. Of course that's a hot ticket to banination. Why not use social media instead? It would probably be more effective anyway. I mean, this is a pretty general rule. Going on a company's forum and saying negative things about them is usually a fast ticket to removal. Do it somewhere they can see it but don't have control over.
> [{quoted}](name=Tahngarthor,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:24:50.130+0000) > > Maybe i'm missing something here. What good reason is there to get yourself banned? > > It sounds like this stems from you calling out Riot for sexism or something of that nature. It's generally not good form to on a company's public forum and smear them on their own forum. Of course that's a hot ticket to banination. Why not use social media instead? It would probably be more effective anyway. Because this is their playerbase I'm talking to. Riot's not going to listen to just me and the majority of social media won't care because it doesn't affect them since they aren't part of this community. And until either I get banned or Riot finally apologizes, I will keep reminding people that Riot is sexist hypocrites.
: > [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:19:01.087+0000) > > That's the whole point. There's no reason to give women an opportunity without providing that same one to men. If you didn't know, Riot recently held a panel at PAX. The panel was on things like character design, the role of a producer, a roundtable QA, things ANYONE would be interested in. > > They then banned men from attending. They justified this because "Women are underrepresented". But what exactly does underrepresented mean? If you have a 9:1 ratio in favor of men currently employed, but there's also a 9:1 ratio in favor of men for applicants, are they really underrepresented? > > All I've wanted is just for Riot to admit that not that there was an issue with their intentions, but there was an issue with their execution. The way to promote an inclusive environment should not be exclusion. oh rip. I didn't hear. Seems like a poor decision if true.
> [{quoted}](name=Environmentalist,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:22:01.958+0000) > > oh rip. I didn't hear. Seems like a poor decision if true. It's true. Pretty easy to look up, but here's the link to the tweet of one of the organizers. https://twitter.com/Riotswimbananas/status/1035565007025582080 But remember, in their minds it's okay because it's in the name of female empowerment.
: > [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-10-29T22:53:24.486+0000) > > And for those who are upset to see me back, don't worry, I'm sure the mods will find another bs reason to ban me soon enough. You're back from a 2 week ban and seemingly headed quickly into a perma. It almost seems like you're doing this on purpose.
> [{quoted}](name=Tahngarthor,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:19:51.696+0000) > > You're back from a 2 week ban and seemingly headed quickly into a perma. It almost seems like you're doing this on purpose. If I get perma'd I get perma'd. At least it'll be for a good reason.
: > [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:02:16.342+0000) > > Yup, 2 weeks for posting a link to an article. And they justify that because I was banned for a day before for posting that Riot should only hire the females from telltale games until it's 50/50 because it's in the name of female empowerment. > > Edit: Oh, and bonus point because after it only being one particular mod who had been removing my stuff I called it out on his bias after he left others up (like the person calling me conservative staying while removing me saying I'd probably lean democrat or the one bringing up the alt-right) it just so happens that suddenly a different mod who banned me this time. Let me take a wild guess, Ulanpo? Because I've seen him ignore stuff in double standard fashion because he agreed with it.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:18:33.781+0000) > > Let me take a wild guess, Ulanpo? > > Because I've seen him ignore stuff in double standard fashion because he agreed with it. Originally he was yeah. Then I pointed it out. This one was then from Boggy. But I can literally go to my alerts and every single instance other than this one was removed by Ulanpo.
: Likely an unpopular opinion, but maybe this just isn't the place for it? Riot seems to be pretty high up there with respect to not having any biases on their hiring process. Why do they need to achieve 50/50? Why shouldn't they hire based on skill and what an individual can bring to the table? I may not be the most experienced in the subject, but I can imagine women would feel much more empowered working a position they're extremely good at, rather than working one they got hired for because there weren't enough females in the first place.
> [{quoted}](name=Environmentalist,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:14:28.289+0000) > > Likely an unpopular opinion, but maybe this just isn't the place for it? Riot seems to be pretty high up there with respect to not having any biases on their hiring process. Why do they need to achieve 50/50? Why shouldn't they hire based on skill and what an individual can bring to the table? I may not be the most experienced in the subject, but I can imagine women would feel much more empowered working a position they're extremely good at, rather than working one they got hired for because there weren't enough females in the first place. That's the whole point. There's no reason to give women an opportunity without providing that same one to men. If you didn't know, Riot recently held a panel at PAX. The panel was on things like character design, the role of a producer, a roundtable QA, things ANYONE would be interested in. They then banned men from attending. They justified this because "Women are underrepresented". But what exactly does underrepresented mean? If you have a 9:1 ratio in favor of men currently employed, but there's also a 9:1 ratio in favor of men for applicants, are they really underrepresented? All I've wanted is just for Riot to admit not that there was an issue with their intentions, but there was an issue with their execution. The way to promote an inclusive environment should not be exclusion.
: They banned you wtf
> [{quoted}](name=Hypochondria9,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:00:08.625+0000) > > They banned you wtf Yup, 2 weeks for posting a link to an article. And they justify that because I was banned for a day before for posting that Riot should only hire the females from telltale games until it's 50/50 because it's in the name of female empowerment. Edit: Oh, and bonus point because after it only being one particular mod who had been removing my stuff I called it out on his bias after he left others up (like the person calling me conservative staying while removing me saying I'd probably lean democrat or the one bringing up the alt-right) it just so happens that suddenly a different mod who banned me this time.
: You're telling me they banned you for "spamming" when you weren't even doing a DAILY post on the issue you refuse to leave alone? I'm not opposed to you keeping the issue alive and you weren't breaking any rules by semi-regularly making threads to keep the issue in awareness.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-29T22:54:56.664+0000) > > You're telling me they banned you for "spamming" when you weren't even doing a DAILY post on the issue you refuse to leave alone? > > I'm not opposed to you keeping the issue alive and you weren't breaking any rules by semi-regularly making threads to keep the issue in awareness. No, they banned me for 2 weeks for posting an article showing an instance of traditional sexism. People downvoting me think I'm lying. https://i.imgur.com/riOuuNX.png {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Mogarl,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=l8Y1ynyb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-10-12T15:02:04.192+0000) > > I'd go with air releasing from a balloon. Could be someone blowing their nose but it's a bit too rubbery, so probably a slobbery balloon. it was a sound of combing hair. lol fuck that
> [{quoted}](name=option paralysis,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=l8Y1ynyb,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-10-15T22:10:20.579+0000) > > it was a sound of combing hair. lol fuck that Seriously? Sounded to me like someone starting a blender with something really solid in it.
: Oh hey, an LA Times article about how Riot's PAX fiasco violated state and feder-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dek5HtNdIHY&feature=youtu.be While looking up some stuff I found this humorous and relevant. Nothing wrong with hiring the best candidate that happens to be a girl. But there IS an issue if you hire specifically the best female while excluding the males. Man, it was hard trying to think of a way to state that without triggering people trying to find a good way to say hiring someone because they're a female regardless of how they compare to males. Edit: I guess the wording I was looking for is there's a difference between the best candidate who happens to be female and the best female candidate. One implies they were the best of both genders, the other there was a male candidate better.
: > [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UqFeOMXM,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2018-10-15T19:35:40.915+0000) > > They really aren't. No mention of the use of the term "Toxic garbagepile" to refer to the community. No mention of the retweeting of the suicide post. A skewed perspective of Lehman's ultimatum which he himself said they wanted him to hold himself to a hire standard of which he couldn't guarantee. > > Biased journalism, intentionally misrepresentation of the facts, omission of important information. > > And honestly, it's amazing because I don't think I've found a single article that has mentioned the suicide tweet. The use of "toxic garbagepile" and the "suicide" tweet are just general internet bullshit that people don't really put much stock into. "Toxic garbagepile" also doesn't have the same understanding outside of internet culture, so it's not something they would necessarily post and expect people to understand without a lot of explanation. As for the ultimatum, it does say they told him to modify his language on his personal accounts or leave the company, so it's a pretty decent approximation of "hold yourself to a higher standard" to which he said "I can't guarantee" and then left the company. Outside of internet culture, the whole DZK shitstorm and Lehrman thing are trivial and miniscule. The real meat of the article, and what people DO actually understand, is the hostile work environment that Riot has fostered towards women. As I said though, the article is a straight up rehash of the Kotaku article, and it's definitely succeeded in getting attention and triggering people who are super sensitive about the whole scandal. At this point, I dunno who's worse - the super PC police who are finding offense in every little thing or the guys who got triggered by the PAX scandal and are finding offense in every little thing. They're two sides of the same, petty coin, and both sides need to calm the fuck down so that progress can be made.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UqFeOMXM,comment-id=0008000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-15T19:52:32.231+0000) > > The use of "toxic garbagepile" and the "suicide" tweet are just general internet bullshit that people don't really put much stock into. "Toxic garbagepile" also doesn't have the same understanding outside of internet culture, so it's not something they would necessarily post and expect people to understand without a lot of explanation. As for the ultimatum, it does say they told him to modify his language on his personal accounts or leave the company, so it's a pretty decent approximation of "hold yourself to a higher standard" to which he said "I can't guarantee" and then left the company. > > Outside of internet culture, the whole DZK shitstorm and Lehrman thing are trivial and miniscule. The real meat of the article, and what people DO actually understand, is the hostile work environment that Riot has fostered towards women. > > As I said though, the article is a straight up rehash of the Kotaku article, and it's definitely succeeded in getting attention and triggering people who are super sensitive about the whole scandal. At this point, I dunno who's worse - the super PC police who are finding offense in every little thing or the guys who got triggered by the PAX scandal and are finding offense in every little thing. They're two sides of the same, petty coin, and both sides need to calm the fuck down so that progress can be made. Just general internet bullshit? It was part of the whole reason he got fired. But they only feel the need to mention "manbabies" because they want to make him look more like a martyr instead of him being an ass. I also even forgot to mention the part in that post about him calling out a female who agreed with the panel but not his statement on sexism against men to "fuck off and sea lion somewhere else". Like, they make it look like he was fired because a bunch of people were against him for standing up against traditional sexism when he was being a sexist asshole himself.
: > [{quoted}](name=Strawberrycocoa,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UqFeOMXM,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-10-15T19:22:19.402+0000) > > Forgive me I've only read the thread and not yet the article, but how does "PAX violating state and feder--" apply to this talk of sexism and harassment culture in the company? I'm not making the connection. Riot tried to get some good PR about how they're dealing with internal sexism by holding an event at the recent PAX West where attendees were barred from attending based on their sex, which violates Washington state law. The event involved resume review and education on topics that would help someone get hired at Riot, which violates federal law.
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UqFeOMXM,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-10-15T19:44:23.165+0000) > > Riot tried to get some good PR about how they're dealing with internal sexism by holding an event at the recent PAX West where attendees were barred from attending based on their sex, which violates Washington state law. The event involved resume review and education on topics that would help someone get hired at Riot, which violates federal law. Actually as I recall from the legal advice sub-reddit when someone asked. Because it was against men they apparently don't count as a protected status and as such they aren't violating any law. And can we just point out how bullshit and sexist THAT is? That even legally you're allowed to discriminate against men.
Cynicatt (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UqFeOMXM,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-10-15T19:19:37.662+0000) > > Like, I find it amazing how it parallels the PAX issue. So far given Riot's stance, they actually believe in what DZK's content was. It was about HOW he expressed his stance that was a problem. > > It is quite similar to us arguing against the panel not because of the intention of it, but the implementation. There is nothing wrong with female empowerment, but there IS a problem with the way they attempted it. Agree... after their "scandal" they have need of a properly done event for women and non-binaries, but they forced it too hard without thinking. I genuinely have a problem with DZK's sentiments as a whole. However, like anyone, if he could refrain from name calling and shutting himself into a sound-proof box I could respect his opinion to some degree. As his statements were though, he genuinely seems like he advocates as much for dragging men down as he does for elevating women so it's sad to see other employees in Riot's chat rooting for him.
> [{quoted}](name=Cynicatt,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UqFeOMXM,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2018-10-15T19:39:08.050+0000) > > Agree... after their "scandal" they have need of a properly done event for women and non-binaries, but they forced it too hard without thinking. > > I genuinely have a problem with DZK's sentiments as a whole. However, like anyone, if he could refrain from name calling and shutting himself into a sound-proof box I could respect his opinion to some degree. As his statements were though, he genuinely seems like he advocates as much for dragging men down as he does for elevating women so it's sad to see other employees in Riot's chat rooting for him. Exactly. Nothing's wrong with expressing your opinion. Although I too have a problem with his message (particularly the bit about how you can't be sexist towards men) but there's nothing wrong with disagreeing with people as long as it's done in a polite manner. As soon as he called them "toxic garbagepiles" "manbabies", condoned suicide, and let's also not forget calling someone who actually AGREED with the panel but disagreed with his stance on sexism against males a "sea lion" and to "fuck off" Forgot to mark the mention of that in my previous post.
: > [{quoted}](name=The Yung Sheets,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UqFeOMXM,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-10-15T19:24:36.465+0000) > > Once upon a time, journalism was a noble, unbiased reporting of the facts, just the facts. Sadly, those times are behind us and for some reason these news outlets are not ashamed of themselves in the slightest. > > {{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}} The facts presented are valid, it's just that it's a shameless rehash of stuff we've already seen in a thinly veiled attempt to trigger the guys still upset about this and reignite the controversy so they can inflate their readership.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UqFeOMXM,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2018-10-15T19:30:34.359+0000) > > The facts presented are valid, it's just that it's a shameless rehash of stuff we've already seen in a thinly veiled attempt to trigger the guys still upset about this and reignite the controversy so they can inflate their readership. They really aren't. No mention of the use of the term "Toxic garbagepile" to refer to the community. No mention of the retweeting of the suicide post. A skewed perspective of Lehman's ultimatum which he himself said they wanted him to hold himself to a hire standard of which he couldn't guarantee. Biased journalism, intentionally misrepresentation of the facts, omission of important information. And honestly, it's amazing because I don't think I've found a single article that has mentioned the suicide tweet.
Drugoth (NA)
: Once upon a time, journalism was a noble, unbiased reporting of the facts, just the facts. Sadly, those times are behind us and for some reason these news outlets are not ashamed of themselves in the slightest. {{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}}
> [{quoted}](name=The Yung Sheets,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UqFeOMXM,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-10-15T19:24:36.465+0000) > > Once upon a time, journalism was a noble, unbiased reporting of the facts, just the facts. Sadly, those times are behind us and for some reason these news outlets are not ashamed of themselves in the slightest. > > {{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}} This is true. it used to be when reporting all you stated was the facts and just the facts, how people felt about them was the consumers choice. Now most add their bias to their side. This is why it's such a problem finding credible unbiased publications.
Cynicatt (NA)
: it's pretty amazing how the story has been spun to make Riot look like victims. I'm sure there are some Rioters who do feel like victims... but you can't slam your customers like that and expect nothing to happen. I feel like any Rioters who would defend DZK have the wrong idea about the thing as a whole. You have to have a healthy conversation and try not to create tension, otherwise you will meet with resistance. I guess it can be hard to act like an adult, though, when you are busy banging your fists on the table and trying to scream over anyone with a differing opinion.
> [{quoted}](name=Cynicatt,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UqFeOMXM,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-10-15T19:17:03.666+0000) > > it's pretty amazing how the story has been spun to make Riot look like victims. I'm sure there are some Rioters who do feel like victims... but you can't slam your customers like that and expect nothing to happen. > I feel like any Rioters who would defend DZK have the wrong idea about the thing as a whole. You have to have a healthy conversation and try not to create tension, otherwise you will meet with resistance. I guess it can be hard to act like an adult, though. Like, I find it amazing how it parallels the PAX issue. So far given Riot's stance, they actually believe in what DZK's content was. It was about HOW he expressed his stance that was a problem. It is quite similar to us arguing against the panel not because of the intention of it, but the implementation. There is nothing wrong with female empowerment, but there IS a problem with the way they attempted it.
: Oh hey, an LA Times article about how Riot's PAX fiasco violated state and feder-
Found the exact quote of the ultimatum Lehman said he was given. "The next day, I was presented with with an ultimatum: that if I were going to keep my job, my social media presence was going to have to change, and given my role in communications (I wrote our Patch Notes), be held to a higher standard." Apparently he can't trust himself to being held to a higher standard and as such he was gone.
: Oh hey, an LA Times article about how Riot's PAX fiasco violated state and feder-
It's obvious how biased this article is. "All they did was defend the panel" No. One dude was fired for literally retweeting a message telling people to kill themselves and the other as I recall in his own statement was told "You can stay, but we need you to promise to be civil when communicating with the public" and he stated that he wouldn't promise something he's not sure he can keep. Edit: Sorry, it didn't explicitly state civil. It said he needed to hold himself to a higher standard on his social media presence.
Bard x Me (EUW)
: Fair and totally harassment: https://i.imgur.com/RKHDUbs.png
> [{quoted}](name=Bard x Me,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kQjwEpWE,comment-id=004c,timestamp=2018-10-15T01:17:04.089+0000) > > Fair and totally harassment: > https://i.imgur.com/RKHDUbs.png They were upset it was so upvoted.
: Wheres my reward for watching the match!!!
Were you a male watching before 2:30? If so they don't care.
: Guys don't forget, Riot still hasn't apologized for banning males in the first place
: Why TF is the best champion in the game
> [{quoted}](name=Lunar Strain,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Aw2MmhBP,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-10-13T05:53:52.867+0000) > > https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/1/1f/Destiny.png/revision/latest?cb=20150312021015[] > > He has a very, _very_ clear purpose, excels at that purpose, and has almost never been overbearing You obviously weren't here in the beginning when he had an AoE stun. Or when he got his rework shortly after and he could shred a tower in like 4 seconds going full attack speed.
The Council (EUNE)
: Im new here after 8 years.
Riot's shown their a bunch of sexist hypocrites that don't care about men before 2:30.
: > [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kQjwEpWE,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-10-12T22:04:15.900+0000) > > Yeah, but imagine if this was posted earlier. Imagine being this petty.
> [{quoted}](name=Spank the Fox,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kQjwEpWE,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-13T02:23:17.805+0000) > > Imagine being this petty. Imagine being so unwilling to admit that you made a mistake you'd rather defend your hypocrisy and sexism.
: Guys don't forget, Riot still hasn't apologized for banning males in the first place
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Zac x Me,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kQjwEpWE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-12T22:01:18.946+0000) > > i can't answer that until past 2:30 Guys please, It's Bazerka. He was our mediator in that situation.
> [{quoted}](name=Necro Warrior87,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kQjwEpWE,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-10-12T23:37:29.997+0000) > > Guys please, It's Bazerka. > He was our mediator in that situation. I mean, all he did was come in and say hi while they were doing it, he did discuss a bit which as I recall (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) is like most people "He's not against the purpose but how it was handled" but that's still doesn't matter much if there isn't something that shows Riot's official stance was that they went about it the wrong way.
: Guys don't forget, Riot still hasn't apologized for banning males in the first place
It has been almost a month and a half and Riot would still rather stand by their sexism and hypocrisy than admit to making a mistake.
: > [{quoted}](name=Zac x Me,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kQjwEpWE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-12T22:01:18.946+0000) > > i can't answer that until past 2:30 Its been posted at 6:00 pm
> [{quoted}](name=Snapp2Kill,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kQjwEpWE,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-10-12T22:03:02.989+0000) > > Its been posted at 6:00 pm Yeah, but imagine if this was posted earlier.
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