: Wolf being a part of the Kindred champion doesn't matter (and I'd argue that the whole 'two parts of the same champion' fantasy riot was going for majorly failed in the kit, since it's really no better than Quinn & Valor) because all that matters to the windwall is whether or not an attack hitting it is a projectile. Kindred is not a projectile and thus can walk through it. Lamb Q dashing isn't a projectile and can thus go through windwall. Malphite charging isn't a projectile, so he doesn't get destroyed. Wolf attacking on kindred's 3rd E is coded as a projectile, therefore it's intercepted by the windwall. From a code perspective, this is consistent with _most_ other projectile abilities. Projectile basic attacks, Ahri Q, Quinn Q, Twitch W, etc. The argument that "Wolf is a part of the champion, so shouldn't be affected by windwall" is faulty because it relies primarily on lore rather than consistent mechanics. It's like saying Quinn's Q should go through windwall because valor ~~is~~ was a part of the Duo champion. Additionally, lore doesn't matter much for gameplay purposes (brand's literally made of fire, so why do other sources of fire hurt him? Why can't champions hurt themselves with abilities? etc.)
Quinn isn't billed as "Quinn and Valor" in the store or champ select. The champion Kindred is literally Wolf and Lamb. Wolf is designated part of the champion. Its not a lore argument. Wolf is literally a champion. This isn't a lore argument because what designates a "champion" is not something decided by lore. Now what designates a champion is a bit more up in the air, but seeing how the champ icon is both Wolf And Lamb's masks and neither of their name is featured as the champion (Kindred) I would say its safe to argue that Wolf is as much the champion as Lamb is. I get you are saying "its not coded that way" but exceptions are coded into the game all the time, so I don't feel like it is a valid argument. Its kind of like saying "The law is the law," but the law can change with a valid enough reason. Why does Thresh autos go through WindWall? Well he has a long chain, but the game has Thresh coded as a ranged champ (he can't by Tiamat/Sterkks ect). I think the fact that Wolf is the champion (which I feel like is undeniable based on reasons given) is a perfectly valid reason for Kindred to be added to the exceptions.
Pika Fox (NA)
: If your only reason is an attempt at semantics, its not a great gameplay argument. Its a ranger auto. Kindreds basic attack is blocked, and this isnt a basic attack change. The only thing different is the animation.
Its not just a semantic one. Wolf and Lamb are the champion Kindred, and champions can float (like karthas) or walk (like most the others) through windwall. Therefore there is standing that wolf can go through the windwall. Yes Kindred is making an attack animation (note that Kindred is not just Lamb, so her attack animation isn't the only thing to consider) but wolf is the one attacking.
Pika Fox (NA)
: End of the day, all that matters is he is the animation to kindreds auto which is stopped by windwall. The animation as to what happens is irrelevant, all that matters is its kindred's auto attack. Therefore, windwall blocks it. Wolf isnt even part of the discussion.
Wolf is a part of the discussion because that's what my thread is about. You blanketly write that its the animation of the auto that matters when specific examples exist that contradict that so it doesn't apply in all cases. There are good legitimate reasons why Wolf, who is every bit a champion as Lamb is, should be able to move through the windwall based on the specific design unique to the champion.
: What they're trying to point out is that Sion and Malphite are champions. However, Wolf, as part of Kindred, qualifies as a projectile in one ability while not qualifying as a projectile in another ability - and yet, Wolf is supposed to be half of the champion. Kindred is Wolf and Lamb, not just Lamb. That's the OP's complaint here. Also, Veigar's cage does not ground. It stuns. Grounded prevent you from dashing or blinking when you're affected by it.
: I want to say Irelia's ultimate is a projectile until it hits an enemy champion. After which it becomes damaging terrain. Kind of like J4's ultimate. Malphite's and Sion's ultimate is not a projectile but a champion that's dashing. However they unstoppable while they're doing it so grounding abilities like Veigar's cage, Cass' Miasma, Singed Adhesive will not affect them until after they finish their ability.
I suggest you test the Irelia ult into the windwall. It absolutely goes right thru it before the second part of it activates. Should a champion have to be unstoppable to move through a Windwall? Was Wolf not billed as part of the Kindred champion and thus subject to the same interactions as a champion should be?
Pika Fox (NA)
: Youre comparing an apple and an orange. Malphs ult is unstoppable, meaning nothing can stop its completion. Same with noct, sion etc. Kindreds E is a 3 hit auto attack. It is not "unstoppable", and therefore can be stopped. Im assuming irelias R can be stopped before contact, in which case it is stoppable. Upon contact, it becomes terrain, and not a projectile.
Should a champion have to be unstoppable to move through a Windwall? Was Wolf not billed as part of the Kindred champion and thus subject to the same interactions as a champion should be? Also I highly suggest you test the Irelia ult into the windwall. It absolutely goes right thru it before the second part of it activates
Pika Fox (NA)
: Its a ranged auto attack. Therefore it gets blocked. Malphites ult is unstopable. Same with sion.
both are instances of the champion moving through the windwall. Irelia's Ult is also a ranged attack and ignores windwall
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