vortex37 (EUW)
: Clash fairness with honor0 smurfs
by not banning peoples accounts over bullshit. Would have done it. Instead... Riot creates a terrible honor system and punishment system.
Snowman Arc (EUNE)
: Op.gg them at champ select. When you see that 45% winrate over 300 games, that's when you know you're fucked.
> [{quoted}](name=Snowman Arc,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EZAWIvhi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-20T17:53:09.830+0000) > > Op.gg them at champ select. When you see that 45% winrate over 300 games, that's when you know you're fucked. that's basically me this season. well... at 200 now.... The thing is though I would almost welcome players with those win rates this season. It sounds fucked but.... some of the best players I have played with this season in low elo have been players with low win rates. Why? Because they are veteran players who are used to playing the game as strong individuals rather than this new team up as a death ball and get carried bullshit. I can play around a bunch of vets who are used to playing solo carry to win more than I can these new "I was stuck in silver 5 for 4 seasons but now I am gold 5 even though I haven't learned anything new in this game" bs players. LIke honestly.... besides smurfs most of the players I have seen with high win rates have been some of the worst players in the games. Its so fucked up lol. Like... sometimes after a game I will look at players ranks and think "o wow that player was playing well" and they will be prior season mid gold this season like silver 3 with 44% win rate. Then I will look at the dude with 54% win rate will have been silver 4 last 4 seasons and who played like shit but plays like {{champion:54}} and just constantly groups with team at end and insant kills enemies with his ult while building full tank. Ask him what a split push is or... just any other basic about the game and they have no idea. But they know how to group and use malphite ult so.... who the fuck cares right? lmfao.
Unker139 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Dukues,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EZAWIvhi,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-05-20T15:24:44.770+0000) > > Your match making is so poor and predictable I can tell 90% of the time when team going to lose based on pregame lobby chat. Like.... today I knew I was fucked in both my games but I had to play them out because I was in promos so I can't dodge so might as well risk it. > > So how I know I had auto losses? > > 1. In promos so chance of match making fuckery are doubled. > 2. Teammates bitching about teammates picks and calling them noobs. Instantly know this person sucks and is about to feed their ass off. > > What happens? Both games..... the players who start complaining about teammates picks (like hardcore complaining) feed their asses off. Well.... game 1 the dude fed so hard it was unwinnable. Game 2 guy started feeding but was like 4-4 so started to bring it back and then just left the game 15ish mins in and never came back...... > > This season is already the most boring season I have ever played in playing this game over 8 years probably 9 actually. Never have I once hated the game until this season. Finally.... after months I am starting to adjust to this terrible meta and new gameplay and starting to rank up. But .... all the same shit match making problems are there. Honestly.... season 9 changes might fixed rank mming somewhat although the whole rank per role thing sounds like it going to fuck the whole system up. I mean... it might over the coarse of the season so like.... in September make games better but until then it going to just be the same as it is now. New ranked tier in low elo might be the one actual saving grace. I been bitching about this shit since season 4 happy you guys finally starting to listen. Too bad its towards the end of this game's life. > > At least I am sticking to my no longer pay your crap company money. Unfortunately I did buy some RP at start of 2018 before realizing how terrible this season actually was. Huge regret of mine. Happy to say I am sticking clean of buying RP since. I can't even imagine spending anymore money on this game. Maybe like... mid to end of season 9 the game might not be complete crap and then maybe I will. But at this point I will not hold my breath. > > > Fuck this game - a dude who has wasted way to much of his life playing such a terrible game. If only I listened to all my friends over the years who quit back in season 3 - 4 :((((((((((((((( Even if what you say is true, how do you expect riot to build a matchmaker around pre game chat...before the chat has even happen?
> [{quoted}](name=Unker139,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EZAWIvhi,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-21T00:32:48.471+0000) > > Even if what you say is true, how do you expect riot to build a matchmaker around pre game chat...before the chat has even happen? The problem comes from that teammate just being a lower rank. There is always 1 person who is just not the same level as everyone else. And in this season.... that's a huge disadvantage. It has always been a disadvantage but now it's like... an extreme disadvantage. Season 9 ranked changes will help address this most likely. I would argue reducing overall damage in game would minimize the effects of this as well. New runes have created power creep like the game has never seen before. Even a season ago players would not die nearly as quickly as they do now. Like now... if you literally get it by a stun/snare... and there even just like 1-2 enemy players around you are probably dead. Like... think about that.... within 1.5 to 2 seconds you probably dead. In the past... you could die to this but enemies would have to be extremely far ahead. Now.... they can just be same item level as you and blow you up. Damage creep is just beyond insane. It just feels so bad playing this game these days because of how much damage creep there is. Haven't seen Riot ever even mention it being a thing yet. That's how out of touch they are with their game.
Rioter Comments
: TO the balance team, and for upcoming pre season
Yea honestly there's has been times when I have gotten bored of League.... generally not even for very long..... but I have. But like..... I never have I HATED a season before until season 8. Like.... not only am I sick of the game but I actually hate the thought of even playing it right now. I have so much free time some days where In the past I would just spam some games to at least get gold in ranked but.... I literally can't even stand ranked anymore. The game play is just so..... bad.... it's just an overall terrible experience. Every loss feels fucking terrible. Wins most the time don't feel too great just more like luck that your teammates aren't as shitty as enemies. PLEASE! Balance your fucking game next season. Hopefully I am done playing the game either way as I am getting too old for this shit but it will at least let other vets and new players enjoy the game. If new players think this season fun... wait until they ACTUALLY PLAY A SEASON OF LEAGUE! Instead of whatever this barnyard explosion of an experiment is.
Rioter Comments
Prandine (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Dukues,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=VtjxWLoG,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-18T21:36:33.183+0000) > > Congrats Riot, just when I thought this game couldn't worse you drop my honor and give me chat restriction. Which honestly...... whatever. Do I deserve chat restriction? Yea sure. But the way you go about doing anything in this game is hilariously dumb. If you behave poorly enough to receive a punishment (which you've already admitted you deserved) then why shouldn't you have your honor privileges revoked? > For starters.... this honor system such shit. I want to write an essay on how dumb your system is .... but your adults. You know it's shit so easiest example I will give is..... end of season honor 5...... then you just say fuck it we reset everyone to honor 2? Why.... cuz you assholes and you know it. While Honor resetting at the seasons beginning is a little strange, if you consistently show neutral or positive behavior then it shouldn't be a problem to rank up again. My thought is that they do this to tell players "congrats on reaching Honor lv.X last season, now see if you can do better than that this season": they're trying to encourage players to be more sportsmanlike than they were before and promote/encourage good behavior while doing so as well. It's kinda like how in a dungeon run all your progress is generally reset after every run and it challenges/encourages you to do better on your next run. >Then..... you make it almost impossible to even honor up until end of season pretending like honoring up is "good behavior" when anyone and there mother can hit honor 5 at end of season. So fuck you for even pretending like you have an honor system. 2nd..... apparently you can just go from honor 3 to 1 from 1 report? Huh.... cool. takes months to get form honor 2 to 3 but fuck it right.... it's so hard for the enemy to use mute if they don't like what your saying. It's not impossible to level up, although if you frequently display negative behavior then I can see why one might think that. As for the mute button it's meant to be a band-aid solution, not a "get out of jail free" card. While people should use the mute button when they feel it's necessary they shouldn't have to just because a problem player wants to act up rather than work with their team. > 2nd.... YOU LITERALLY PUNISHED ME AFTER A GAME IN WHICH I WAS FLAMMED BY AN SELF PROCLAIMED, SMURF, SHIT TALKER, AND ACCOUNT BOOSTER LMFAO. Yet we all know this player not even going to get in trouble. Because your system sucks asssssss. Other people behaving poorly does not excuse your own. If you reported them and they have a history of poor behavior then they too will eventually be punished. If the system didn't work then it wouldn't have punished players like you who seem to think that the "they started it" excuse will work here. > cowswep proved how garbage Riot Korea's system is and he gets punished. I start talking in game about how incompetent you guys are and instantly get punished. Yet... players actually breaking rules and ruining the game for players go unpunished. Every pro player has talked about it...... Tyler 1 talks all the game about if you just don't type in chat you wont get banned. Which let's face it.... that's the dumbest thing ever. I and any actual player would rather you punish cheaters/grievers than people just talking crap in chat any day. Because MUTE IS DAMN EASY TO USE but winning verse boosters isn't or players who go afk, or other cheaters. That was Riot Korea though, not Riot NA. Besides Cowsep already admitted that he deserved a punishment for account sharing so it's not like he was entirely innocent himself, though how Riot Korea actually handled the punishment itself is a topic for another thread. Also trolls and feeders do get banned but because they're getting smarter about how they avoid detection (and because Riot wants to try to avoid punishing innocent players as much as possible) it's harder to catch them in the act compared to simple chat-related offenses. Gameplay related offenses when proven to be on purpose are assigned a 2-week ban as the first punishment. In case you don't believe me on this point [here are](http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/sU5wOfFJ-proof-that-the-automated-system-is-broken?show=rundown) [three](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/GrmPK5yP-intentional-feeding-but-i-didnt-feed?comment=0006) examples of gameplay trolls being banned. Yes it's just three examples, but it proves that they do get punished. > Plus... guess what boys... booster got 3 honors after game because his teammates so tankful for a "ranked" win they don't care they literally got a free win. This community is literally the worst. I fail to see what that has to do with your punishment. > So fuck it. I haven't been punished in your game since 1 time in like season 3...... I have been in good standing for literally fucking years...... Like I said I was "max" honor at the end of season before you "reset it" because that makes so much sense right? lmfao. And this is your reaction when you do receive a punishment? Rage and hate and insults? > Anyways.... I have done my part. I played your game, paid the bills, got others to play. Then you go and continuously ruin your own game and by speaking out about it instead of thanking me for feedback I get punished. If your so-called "feedback" involves insulting, yelling, flaming and raging at others then it's not actually helpful or constructive feedback. Post your chat logs if you're so confident that you delivered good feedback. > No reason for me to ever touch this game again. I would say it's been a pleasure but playing this game makes me feel miserable these days. Although.... I did have some fun times a few years ago before balance team decided to continue to try and ruin it. They can't please everyone and besides many players have claimed that the game is dying or is ruined, though most of them are just banned troll ragers and/or people who won't be satisfied until the game revolves around them and only them. If you're so miserable though that a simple chat restriction (which again by your own admission you deserved) causes you to lash out like this then perhaps it's for the best that you find a different game to play, one with less strict rules on player behavior than this one does. > Good luck. You going to need it with the current staff in charge. Not sure how you guys plan to hit 20 years of competitive not even sure you going to hit 10 at this rate. Again many players have claimed that the game is dying or is ruined, though most of them are just banned troll ragers and/or people who won't be satisfied until the game revolves around them and only them. Guess what though? It's still here, and while they do make mistakes (such as the removal of Dominion imo) they have to be doing something right if they've stuck around this long.
You really going to try and defend their honor system huh? Apparently it doesn't take brains to become a boards advisor. Dumbest part is you don't even play the game...... yet you going to tell me "o game fine" blah blah blah. Cool story bro. You don't think it's weird that the most successful free to play game never shares their numbers? It not a coincidence the game has become a shit ton worse since bought by tencent? Like... keep kidding yourself. Pretend like I am the biggest asshole to ever play this game. You going to find another assumption quite wrong. But hey...... that's all people do these days.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: Do you guys still have any hope for mid season?
I have 0 hope. Pretty sure this the beginning of the end. Ah well it's been a good run. Happy I can say I got to play this game especially in its prime.
: Minesweeper will kill League of Legends
League killing League. Riot's obsession with only LCS will lead to their downfall. Yea.... you may have a strong esports competition but when the common folk stop playing your game and spending RP how long with that Esport last? Obviously, it will take time but League balance team will ultimately be the death of League we are starting to see it now.
SmashinBob (EUNE)
: I agree ever since the rune changes they never compensated enough defensive stats back into the champions, it was very common for pretty much 95% of the champions to run armor and mr runes every game in the old system.
> [{quoted}](name=SmashinBob,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GGxF75Eq,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-04-16T17:19:58.344+0000) > > I agree ever since the rune changes they never compensated enough defensive stats back into the champions, it was very common for pretty much 95% of the champions to run armor and mr runes every game in the old system. ^ Yea been saying this since the beginning. Wish Riot would actually listen.
Salson (EUNE)
: That's because an Adc doesn't get to decide if he wins lane or not, his Junger does. Then the Jungler feels like shit because he can't carry, he can just snowball his Adc to carry him. Solo lanes feel like glorified side characters. It's 'teamwork' in it's worst form. Instead of a team being a sum of strong individuals formed into a stronger whole, it feels like a bunch of cripples. One can see, one can hear, one can walk.....and then they try to not fall of a cliff while riding a monocycle. The team who falls because someone failed to do their job looses.
> [{quoted}](name=Salson,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sTJciAxU,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-04-13T14:58:09.693+0000) > > That's because an Adc doesn't get to decide if he wins lane or not, his Junger does. > > Then the Jungler feels like shit because he can't carry, he can just snowball his Adc to carry him. > > Solo lanes feel like glorified side characters. > > It's 'teamwork' in it's worst form. > Instead of a team being a sum of strong individuals formed into a stronger whole, it feels like a bunch of cripples. > One can see, one can hear, one can walk.....and then they try to not fall of a cliff while riding a monocycle. > The team who falls because someone failed to do their job looses. holy shit this is the best description of season 8 I have heard yet. Thank you!
: I find it funny that people whom are complaining about this season being bad don’t give any reasons behind it.
> [{quoted}](name=Thę Weeknd XO,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sTJciAxU,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-13T14:37:44.022+0000) > > I find it funny that people whom are complaining about this season being bad don’t give any reasons behind it. Because it's pretty damn obvious how bad it is... you know... if you actually played the game.
: I have to agree Tyler1's statement.
Yea season 8 worst season yet. People bitched about season 6 because of dynamic queue a lot and honestly.... yea it was shit. But I would go back and play season 6 any day than play this garbage. (plus I am low elo so dynamic queue didn't really effect me and it was my best League season lol. Jungle was op and as a jungle main I loved it but also I ranked up playing other roles. Game felt even just.... teams weren't always cuz of premades). Gameplay right now is so garbage it's not even fun to play.
: You aren't alone with your opinion. - total damage went up too damn high while towers remained the old shitty weak towers. - If i remember right Riot somewhat said back in the past they wanted to remove spells or abilities that make you get killed in 0,10 seconds, because you are unable to react to stuff like that. Well, it's even worse now. You get bursted from 100 to 0 from dozens of champs. With 2-3 items. lol. - Every rework or new champ gets more and more mobile while "the old ones" stay immobile and shit. I mean. Just look at the new Irelia e.g. - Community in a nutshell. Nearly every single game you can choose between: Toxicity, AFK'ing, Inting. And smart people won't even get punished for that. - You get way too less feedback of a punished player somehow. - Support is a real joke (the german support at least. Dunno about the english one) - Match Making is still very unbalanced sometimes(!!) . .. ... .... ..... And so on.
I feel like my point can be seen if you even watch high elo like Imaqtpie stream. You know... the dude who has had 4 accounts in challenger at least the last 2 seasons? And been challenger since challenger was introduced. He currently making jokes about himself "maybe the April fools joke is I am actually not a Master tier player and still have it". Dude has played 700? 800? games this season and not in challenger....... Dude is one of the best ADCs in NA League and is struggling to reach and stay in challenger......l like lmfao. Anyone who thinks Qtpie has gotten worse is dumb the only reason he lower rank is individual skill means less these days and you are held back by teammates skills and forced to play team oriented op champs instead of who you want. Really sad trend Riot has gotten on I really hope they realize their mistakes. I have uninstalled the game and have no reason to reinstall it. Maybe in 3-4 months I will check it out and see what's going on but right now queuing up hurts the soul.
Rioter Comments
rewt127 (NA)
: Im having a strange case of Deja Vu. I swear ive seen this exact post before......... nvm its just the no longer 1v9 circlejerk.
> [{quoted}](name=rewt127,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E0IbtLu1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-30T22:13:58.525+0000) > > Im having a strange case of Deja Vu. I swear ive seen this exact post before......... nvm its just the no longer 1v9 circlejerk. it sucks that only the shitty players benefit off new system.
Rioter Comments
: A champion unable to play like Zoe whos entire kit involves skill shots, no mobility and an ult that telegraphs where shes going and where she'll be entirely that she can't get out of? Man that's like NO counterplay dude. Cant believe people out there circlejerk on how a purely skillshot based mid laner who isn't op in anyway factually right now is op meanwhile we have adcs as a literal class requirement in every game for years and their damage is 99 percent unmissable autos and silence. Also op since you like zed, zed is factually speaking stronger than Zoe right now. Most would say he is a harder champion and he still has around the same winrate and about two times higher pickrate than the zoe you cry about who has "no counterplay"
Pick up one it what you want but op is right. I think a lot of you just haven't played this game very long to understand how terrible it has gotten. You act like hitting shit with Zoe skill shots is hard, but nevertheless she boring as fuck to play against. But I personally not a huge fan of zed either but I will admit most the champs they make these days may be fun to play but suck ass to play against. Like {{champion:420}} may not be op but is she fun to lane against... nope. "but she sucks late game so who cares".... well.... people who actually want to play and enjoy games. You do realize mid/late game one bubble hit by Zoe is an auto kill on a squishy right? So your saying there is so much skill in hitting that one skill shot it should be an auto kill? Weird..... game never used to be that way. Players could take damage, players could actually trade and not just instant die. Idk man.... cc, armor, reduce attack speed items seem to be pretty good verse adcs. Maybe try them sometime?
: Oh yeah, everything should be as strong as everything else in every situation. Now we can play what we want, when we want it, and there's no strategic element involved in team comp at all. Now we can all skip through a field of daisies without any competitive element!
> [{quoted}](name=Player3Th0mas,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=njEwfKPX,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-03-30T00:26:16.539+0000) > > Oh yeah, everything should be as strong as everything else in every situation. Now we can play what we want, when we want it, and there's no strategic element involved in team comp at all. Now we can all skip through a field of daisies without any competitive element! Damn you a dumb one aren't you?
Glory97 (EUW)
: How balance problemes are discussed: "Everyone does too much damage"?
Using the excuse of "it's complex" doesn't make it right. Lmfao I get your going to give us low elo players shit but honestly F u. I don't get paid to balance this game. I don't get paid to play this game. Hell.... only a handful of people out of the millions who play this game are considered high elo or paid to play or paid to balance. But then the 99% of other people are supposed to just stfu right? Listen man, you can act like we dumb as shit but let's not get too high horse. One thing no one ever talks about is the fact that WE ALL START WITH GENERALLY LESS ARMOR THAN WE USED TO. That's weird.... my damage stats at the start of the game the exact same as they have been for years... hell higher even. Yet I notice every game I start with 10-15 less armor/magic resist. Weird..... maybe it has something to do with Riot manually balancing damage for their new Rune changes yet not even touching armor/magic resist which a lot of players used runes for. "o but don't worry there is the resolve tree". Lmfao........ yea.... it's great isn't it. The good old resolve tree. Kind of messed up that all these high elo smart dudes working at Riot can't seem to figure out that maybe.... just maybe there should be more options for early armor? Maybe...... damage creep has been happening forever. Its so fucking dumb that you use the excuse that "just nerf dmg lul wll break the game" but can't seem to fault riot for basically only buffing damage and continuously buffing damage to balance champs for years WHICH IS HOW WE GOT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. O btw.... those high elo dudes that talk about how complex it is also bring up valid points on how to balance that are ignored or partially used maybe years later. I hear streamers bitch about the damage now... so pretending this a low elo "silver kids" problem is laughable. Honestly I hear what you are saying but I am not one that is going to let Riot off so easy. They have had a game for 10 DAMN YEARS and you telling me I am supposed to just sit here and think "yea makes sense they can never balance the game and it just keeps getting worse". Like lmfao..... dude..... other companies would have figured this shit out by now. And guess what... Riot only has ONE GAME TO WORRY ABOUT. Their resources are used on League not split amongst other games. So seriously tell me why it's ok for this game to never been in "balance" for more than like a month every year. There's 140 champs, many items, runes, all kinds of other shit. I get its not easy to balance. But when I say "nerf damage" it doesn't mean I am wrong just because I can't give you the perfect ratios for every champ, every item, every scenario. BECASUE THAT'S NOT MY FUCKING JOB. But! I can voice my opinion on the matter and that's all we are all trying to do.
: https://i.gyazo.com/3c1306a9c3b31a85bd14be382862fb79.jpg Rofl, this is what the game is like nowadays. Assassins getting assasinated by marksmen. Keep complaining about Rengar doing his job when he can bois.
> [{quoted}](name=Dead flag blues,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6vE9nlOA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-03-26T17:01:37.903+0000) > > https://i.gyazo.com/3c1306a9c3b31a85bd14be382862fb79.jpg > > Rofl, this is what the game is like nowadays. Assassins getting assasinated by marksmen. Keep complaining about Rengar doing his job when he can bois. You really just send an ARAM link..... lmfao
Lovesick (OCE)
: >Also super happy you reverted Q back to what it was. i missed being 1 shot by the champ without even having a chance to react...... It's called sticking with your team :)
> [{quoted}](name=Lovesick,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6vE9nlOA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-25T23:52:37.264+0000) > > It's called sticking with your team :) You mean the team that dives the enemy backline every fight and leaves me alone to fend for myself? GREAT IDEA!
Rioter Comments
Kythers (NA)
: Trust me when I say this, you haven't seen anything yet. Fortunately for you, it's very easy to defeat the hell within in silver
> [{quoted}](name=Kythers,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zkEHfMxK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-22T17:57:21.526+0000) > > Trust me when I say this, you haven't seen anything yet. > > Fortunately for you, it's very easy to defeat the hell within in silver Like I have hit the point where I actually have to explain the basics of the game to my team EVERY GAME.... you know how boring that is? Literally a few weeks ago I didn't have to say shit because I was playing with people at my same level or who were better than me so instead of teaching I was learning and it was fun, games were competitive. But now I am supposed to try and teach a bunch of randoms the basics.... to this game in a "ranked" setting every fucking game? And hope they listen to me and don't just instant mute? Obviously just have to lead by example but I find that harder to do these days. Literally only because Riot buffed overall damage being more forgiving for players and handicapping more experienced players. But at the end of the day none of that matters what is more frustrating is just how inconsistent games are. Like if teams are actually even then if my team has no the basics of the game then in a perfect system I can assume the enemy team doesn't either. BUt that is not the case. The enemy team stomps lanes, grabes first turret, rotates mid starts pushing and forcing fights always hunting as a pack and just doing general team work. My team doesn't even know where baron pit is. As seasons goes on players get back to their actual elos and then I personally find climbing easier because shits at least more consistent from team to team game to game. BUt right now it's so random nothing is ever really consistent.
: its only a game why you heff to be mad
> [{quoted}](name=DollaMenunaire,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zkEHfMxK,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-22T17:59:45.880+0000) > > its only a game why you heff to be mad I get this a meme but people who say this and mean it are dumb as hell. Like... this game used to be fun and can be under the right circumstances but forces outside of my control force it to suck. And the worst part is Riot can actually do shit about it but won't. And I know there are fun days ahead but first I have to play many beyond retarded games to get the chance to even have fun. So no...... the answer isn't "it's just a game why be mad" its actually more complicated than that.
Kythers (NA)
: Trust me when I say this, you haven't seen anything yet. Fortunately for you, it's very easy to defeat the hell within in silver
> [{quoted}](name=Kythers,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zkEHfMxK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-22T17:57:21.526+0000) > > Trust me when I say this, you haven't seen anything yet. > > Fortunately for you, it's very easy to defeat the hell within in silver True. Just feel like I have to first devolve before I can focus on evolving, which seems extremely counter productive
Rioter Comments
: meddler i think it was actually commented in part on this just the other day. long story short he said that they went a little too far when they tried to make advantages more about the whole team than about the player with their changes to shut down gold distribution and such, so theyre gonna change some of that so that theres more individual impact than there is atm
> [{quoted}](name=I Main Swain,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=QRnhKtsT,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-03-22T15:06:14.509+0000) > > meddler i think it was actually commented in part on this just the other day. long story short he said that they went a little too far when they tried to make advantages more about the whole team than about the player with their changes to shut down gold distribution and such, so theyre gonna change some of that so that theres more individual impact than there is atm Can you find his comment? I would love to read that. This game is such dog shit right now but if they actually made those changes it may be playable again or at least not such shit.
: I know why everyone is quitting league lately
Yea I hate myself for even attempting to play anymore. I used to never care that much when my low elo teammates fed because fuck it we can win 4v5. But now...... so much more frustrating.
Altiverse (EUNE)
: With the current philosophy of the balancing team, the damage creep will just get worse
Riot balance team has no idea what they are doing. They have always been bad and I used to stand up for them but I am done. This game has the worst balance out of any game I have ever played.
: > [{quoted}](name=Dukues,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BH0p1IzO,comment-id=00040004,timestamp=2018-03-20T22:01:04.911+0000) > > Well the game is definitely going down hill. I would love to use it as an example but I get burn out. I know I am burned out too but feels like so many vets these days (who actually play the game not you stupid keyboard warriors who play 1 aram a week or w/e or like 1 normal game once in awhile honestly your opinion is less than meaningless) disliking the game in it's current state as well. I can say as someone who has played this game way too damn much over 8 years that this season is the only season I have actually legit hated the game. I only keep playing because of the thought of "its still the same game just different' but I feel so damn silly even thinking that. It's not the same game. It sucks ass to be honest. > > Obviously new players have no idea what I am talking about because they have only played for a year or two or w/e yet I am sure they will down vote or comment thinking I don't know shit. But how would u know what I am talking about? You haven't lived it. > > Maybe changes will pan out for Riot and they will draw in a new crowd who knows they never publish data so it's hard to say. A shit ton of my friends quit 4 years ago and I never blamed them I was embarrassed to stick with playing. I would joke with them about coming back knowing they wouldn't but never thought league was a bad game just had flaws I knew they hated. But I can legit say right now I would never suggest this game to anyone to play ever again. I actually mean that I know my words means nothing on these boards but I actually mean it. I feel so sorry for anyone who starts playing this game now its such crap compared to what it once was. > > To each their own League has had a hell of a run. I hope it stays popular but I wouldn't be surprised if it finally starts dying off. I am sure it will be slow but we will see. LIke I said you never know anything since Riot won't post numbers. Don't be surprised if more ex pros and top tier players quit playing it within the next year or two though. I work 9 hours a day and drive for 3, sorry I cant play all the time and sorry for having an opinion lol.
> [{quoted}](name=Rayjay Redfang,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BH0p1IzO,comment-id=000400040000,timestamp=2018-03-20T22:07:05.131+0000) > > I work 9 hours a day and drive for 3, sorry I cant play all the time and sorry for having an opinion lol. I just hate when people like try to give advice on climbing the ladder when they don't play ranked, or giving balance opinion when they play 1 aram a week.
: I saw. I feel like people are going to use this as a cornestone for evidence that the game is going downhill, but I think NB3 is more just burnt out. It is basically his job to play league where as the rest of us go home from our jobs to play league. I read that people said that he quit lol before, so maybe he will take some time off and come back later.
> [{quoted}](name=Rayjay Redfang,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BH0p1IzO,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-03-20T18:48:14.695+0000) > > I saw. I feel like people are going to use this as a cornestone for evidence that the game is going downhill, but I think NB3 is more just burnt out. It is basically his job to play league where as the rest of us go home from our jobs to play league. > > I read that people said that he quit lol before, so maybe he will take some time off and come back later. Well the game is definitely going down hill. I would love to use it as an example but I get burn out. I know I am burned out too but feels like so many vets these days (who actually play the game not you stupid keyboard warriors who play 1 aram a week or w/e or like 1 normal game once in awhile honestly your opinion is less than meaningless) disliking the game in it's current state as well. I can say as someone who has played this game way too damn much over 8 years that this season is the only season I have actually legit hated the game. I only keep playing because of the thought of "its still the same game just different' but I feel so damn silly even thinking that. It's not the same game. It sucks ass to be honest. Obviously new players have no idea what I am talking about because they have only played for a year or two or w/e yet I am sure they will down vote or comment thinking I don't know shit. But how would u know what I am talking about? You haven't lived it. Maybe changes will pan out for Riot and they will draw in a new crowd who knows they never publish data so it's hard to say. A shit ton of my friends quit 4 years ago and I never blamed them I was embarrassed to stick with playing. I would joke with them about coming back knowing they wouldn't but never thought league was a bad game just had flaws I knew they hated. But I can legit say right now I would never suggest this game to anyone to play ever again. I actually mean that I know my words means nothing on these boards but I actually mean it. I feel so sorry for anyone who starts playing this game now its such crap compared to what it once was. To each their own League has had a hell of a run. I hope it stays popular but I wouldn't be surprised if it finally starts dying off. I am sure it will be slow but we will see. LIke I said you never know anything since Riot won't post numbers. Don't be surprised if more ex pros and top tier players quit playing it within the next year or two though.
: Do we ever take enough time to thank Riot for their effort?
IT'S THEIR JOB AND THEY GET PAID LMFAO..... I am happy with the skins they have been releasing and some other changes but honestly.... as a veteran of 8 or so years I can't really say the game is better. Actually I extremely dislike the game right now. WHy should I praise them for ruining their ONLY GAME THEY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. Like.... lmfao you know how dumb that is? They have 1 GAME! 1 FUCKING GAME! and they still take years to implement the most basic shit and now that they finally have we're supposed to fall over dead for them in gratitude?
Turanius (NA)
: Matchmaking Algorithm is garbage
They won't change it I been bitching about it for years. They know it's a problem but were not "high elo" so they don't care. No one cares that I have been ranked in 20% tile last 2 seasons on multiple accounts and have never had less than a 50% win rate in silver even before I could get out of it (except season 2 when I first started ranked), yet my current win rate of 38% after 90? games is totally acceptable. It's 100% my fault, I have to blame myself and focus only on myself. Which yes... we can all get better but not all of us (not shit you fucking dumbass fan boys) can be challenger/master lmfao. So..... I sit.... in 2/3 of my games with new players, lower ranked players, afks, w/e verse a team of veterans who may be "low elo" to a small percentage of the population.... but are veterans of the game and although they may be bad it's still very hard to beat them when you get first season players or just lower skilled players to play verse them.
: https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2742914876/228591326?tab=overview Granted, the above was a Bronze level game but it's elegant proof that if you're better than the average elo of the players in game you can carry bad teams. In that game everyone, including me fed the jungle Kai hard in the early and mid game. I paid it no mind and just carried like it was nothing. That match was like low Bronze. I'm Silver. So I'd say that you have to be a tier above in skill to carry shit teams. So if you're Gold, you can carry Silver idiots. If you're Plat, you can carry Gold idiots and so on.
> > Granted, the above was a Bronze level game but it's elegant proof that if you're better than the average elo of the players in game you can carry bad teams. > .... I mean it's a bronze game the only way to win is to carry. I preached the same bullshit for season after season but Riot is slowly taking the carry your garbage teammates and makes you have to play with them. Its fine in theory but solo queue is FUCKING SOLO QUEUE for a reason so team work isn't always the best and an organized team with a better comp can easily win verse a team of 4 even if they slightly better because they have 1 new player or troll or w/e. It's so fucking dumb it's never been this bad man.
Rioter Comments
Kosm1K (NA)
: Riot, what's the deal with promos???
I get this in 2/3 of my games so don't see your point lol. Jk yea I hate promos but meh their just more games.... this games mming never been good doubt it every will be. God this game so boring these days hate myself for still playing it.
: Na youre actually right but here's a good tip. I;ve payed attention. Riot trys to give us a 50% winrate. And they base this off how much each person feeds, instead of solely MMR like it should be. So if you KNOW, and I mean KNOW youre going to lose, start feeding. The worse you are performing, the more you "need to be carried" to get the 50% winrate in your next games. However, and Im pretty sure of this too, they only update who "needs to get carried" every 24 hours or so. This is why we have win and lose streaks- you can be deemed a carry and for your next 12 hours of games so you get stuck with a shitton of feeders and lose. So. If you lose a few games in a row, feed as much as you can IN THE LOSSES, and then, take a break. Dont troll your team tho. Also, dont try too hard if youre sure you can win. Get your hands dirty and die for the team. Example of perfect play: You go in, glass cannon, level them all to 50%, die, and your team gets 3 kills. So it helps you win, you get your hands dirty, therefor looks like you need to be carried in future games to achieve a 50% winrate you get stuck with professionals, and you win your game. Just keep in mind that the game only updates its analysis of how much you "need to get carried" every 12-24 hours or so. Respect the update time more than anything. Glhf.
> [{quoted}](name=RobSensation,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=doc9YvXX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-18T14:56:18.509+0000) > > Na youre actually right but here's a good tip. I;ve payed attention. Riot trys to give us a 50% winrate. And they base this off how much each person feeds, instead of solely MMR like it should be. So if you KNOW, and I mean KNOW youre going to lose, start feeding. The worse you are performing, the more you "need to be carried" to get the 50% winrate in your next games. However, and Im pretty sure of this too, they only update who "needs to get carried" every 24 hours or so. This is why we have win and lose streaks- you can be deemed a carry and for your next 12 hours of games so you get stuck with a shitton of feeders and lose. So. If you lose a few games in a row, feed as much as you can IN THE LOSSES, and then, take a break. Dont troll your team tho. Also, dont try too hard if youre sure you can win. Get your hands dirty and die for the team. Example of perfect play: You go in, glass cannon, level them all to 50%, die, and your team gets 3 kills. So it helps you win, you get your hands dirty, therefor looks like you need to be carried in future games to achieve a 50% winrate you get stuck with professionals, and you win your game. Just keep in mind that the game only updates its analysis of how much you "need to get carried" every 12-24 hours or so. Respect the update time more than anything. Glhf. I have a 38% win rate where my like 20 free wins? I used to believe in forced win rate but I been getting fucked hard this season. Never again will I play first months of season it's just too random and shit of mming to take it seriously. Actually to be honest this probably my last season I really hate what they are doing to the game.
: Everytime I play, I regret it as soon as I'm done
> > I WANT TO BE OUTPLAYED. > > Instead damage creep is so massive it never feels like an outplay. It just feels cheesy. I'm at the point where I play because it's been my default free time activity for years. But ever since pre-season. It's just not fun. I feel the same way honestly. I miss being outplayed rather than just cheesy power creep dying. It's really shitty when your in a lower elo than you been the last couple seasons too because you see the same bad play but everyone dies so damn fast it's harder to counter act it than it was in the past.
asud (EUNE)
: ONE BAD PLAYER EASILY LOSES THE GAME FOR ENTIRE TEAM
Yea honestly before this season didn't really care that much if someone fed. But now it just seems to snowball so hard especially bot lane makes games boring. Especially now that like 30 mins is late game.... basically you have a 4v5 situation because your one teammate so underfed and everyone does so much fucking damage these days almost impossible to outplay the 4v5 situation that 1 player created. Sucks ass {{sticker:zombie-nunu-tears}}
: You are looking at your statistical input, and not your team input. You can have all the cs score/gold in the world along with the most kills and all, but if you don't communicate with your team you are far more likely to lose simply because you lack the strategy to make use of your advantage. If you're gonna say you play solo/duo queue ranked that is even more of a death sentence for you because you are playing a team game without a team expecting to do well when your communication is boiled down to pings.
> [{quoted}](name=Chigara Ashada,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1EOcZsIc,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-16T21:14:57.433+0000) > > You are looking at your statistical input, and not your team input. You can have all the cs score/gold in the world along with the most kills and all, but if you don't communicate with your team you are far more likely to lose simply because you lack the strategy to make use of your advantage. If you're gonna say you play solo/duo queue ranked that is even more of a death sentence for you because you are playing a team game without a team expecting to do well when your communication is boiled down to pings. That is why this game has become such shit. You act like there is strategy in silver. There literally isn't. Every game is different. I try to plan out shit and do shit but by the time I go help 1 mother fucker another feeds 3 kills. I literally watched last night as enemy jungler ganked bot and our {{champion:18}} got back to her turret so enemy jungler left. I think "well she safe going to clear this camp quick and maybe put some pressure top/mid. Go to camp look back down....she is fucking pushed to their turret.....and of course..... here comes {{champion:19}} free killing it. I was actually speechless. Ironically won that game because we had better team fight. But like every game is basically every lane feeding their asses off and me trying my best to play damage control but by now i am seeing red because I have never had so many 1 sided games against me in my life. Revert game to not shit and I would carry these brainless fucks. Its not even worth it anymore ilke.... I play ranked to play competitive games and test my game knowledge but all I have done this season is be forced to play worse and shitter strats to play at taemmates skill level which is not how ranked should work. Going to just play on a alt and enjoy playing at my actual rank. Maybe before end of season when the stupid fucking ranked reset chaos is over I will hit gold. but at this point don't even care the skins are always shit so not like it matters. To think I actually thought about maybe trying to improve to hit plat this season when having plat mmr during preseason. Now I would rather basically do anything else than play this game. Sucks seeing all the fond memories I have of it being ripped away because Riot can't balance or make any change that doesn't break the fucking game. But that LCS though..... its fun right? (I actually like watching LCS but sucks it comes at the cost of not being able to play this game anymore).
: Draven's right on this one mate. The way you tackle a comment like his just gives me this "Oh, i'm better than everyone on my team, they just weigh me down." vibe. And let me tell you, I had that mentality last year, and let me tell you how much it prevented me from reaching Diamond. Got to D5 series in under 50 games, lost series, then completely tanked to P5. Yeah, wasn't the brightest mentality to have for high elo, not to mention it got me banned for 2 weeks when VS was out. You need to realize you can do more than just smash your lane. You can take that and try to help people, not ridicule them day in and day out over one minor mistake. They have the system at forced 50% to keep everything balanced. Even the unkillable Demon King himself loses games, it's just a part of video games my dude. Take this from a guy who finally reached Diamond after discarding such a toxic mentality.
I get it I really do but....... people who usually say that don't realize shit like. its not my first season..... its not my first time reaching xx rank like its retarded because I am very consistent and I know my actual elo so I am not going to listen to people say shit about "na dude its just u". If that was the case even if I was playing bad I would still have what.... maybe 46% win rate? at like really bad luck? Im at a 37% win rate my man..... a tier lower rank than my actual elo....... you know what that frucking means? that is saying I am playing a tier worse than my current rank which is a tier lower than my actual rank which means the game current is saying I am like bronze 2-3. Huh....... haven't been bronze since season 2........ haven't had less than 50% win rate since? season 2? Have ranked multiple accounts to same rank last couple seasons. Was literally playing at my actual elo during preseason...... u know...... few weeks ago..... But now.... all of a sudden..... I am playing 2 tiers lower rank? Yea... I don't think so. Everyone can fuck off I am sick of this company forcing their bullshit changes on us and then I having to pretend the game still fun.
: Draven's right on this one mate. The way you tackle a comment like his just gives me this "Oh, i'm better than everyone on my team, they just weigh me down." vibe. And let me tell you, I had that mentality last year, and let me tell you how much it prevented me from reaching Diamond. Got to D5 series in under 50 games, lost series, then completely tanked to P5. Yeah, wasn't the brightest mentality to have for high elo, not to mention it got me banned for 2 weeks when VS was out. You need to realize you can do more than just smash your lane. You can take that and try to help people, not ridicule them day in and day out over one minor mistake. They have the system at forced 50% to keep everything balanced. Even the unkillable Demon King himself loses games, it's just a part of video games my dude. Take this from a guy who finally reached Diamond after discarding such a toxic mentality.
He's not I am actually legit being trolled. Don't speak out about Riot I guess.......
Rioter Comments
: Because I'm not the only play and, as I've said, every complaint I see about the game today was something I saw people begging about beforehand. Also because the game has always been "boring and predictable" when you pull back and look at it from the highest level. Hell, I remember making these jokes back in Season 2 worlds because Jayce and Ezreal were always being picked. >League was unique because there were other things to focus on than just team fighting and objectives. Saying this also blatantly shows how you should try other mobas, because this was never league's thing.
I meant other ways to win, but w/e. That is another thing I hate about this game "pull back and look at the highest level". It is why this game is basically fucked. Its become only what matters at the highest level and nothing else. Which, I personally enjoy LCS but its come at a large cost. Gutted champs, lack of build diversity, increase in damage, decrease in vision, increase in tower gold, etc. Everything that is done now Is done for Pros and the highest elo players but even then more just pro scene. Like... I would love to play some {{champion:104}} jungle right now but I am a huge handicap to my team if I do. You like {{champion:236}} ? Well better have the skill and mechanics of the top 2?% of players or your just trolling. Like...... the gap between pro and casual has grown so much and will continue to grow. I get what your saying about changes and people complaining in the past and now. But I think its hard to admit Riot hasn't gone too far the other way. They went from too long of games, little damage, to now everyone does crazy ass damage, games are shorter but less enjoyable. There has to be a spot somewhere in the middle but we past it and are now getting farther & farther away again. I never really thought about changes much just kind of go with the flow but I have to say I really started to be off put by the game last year and now I just extremely dislike it. It becoming so much different than when I first started playing. The pro scene doesn't seem much different but..... it's there jobs to play and be the best. I don't get paid to play this game.... just a game I have enjoyed playing over the years that is now going in a gameplay direction I no longer care for at all. Just sad on a personal level to see, but I understand others may feel different. Seems like many veteran players feel similar to how I feel though. Probably different in other regions.
: I just want to share some impressions about rankeds in Silver vs rankeds in Bronze
> > OMG PEOPLE WATCH MAP! > OMG people make good shotcalling (most of the time)! > OMG people know that when the entire enemy team is in one lane throwing is time that one of them should splitpushing! > OMG people know how to be patient! > Huh.... currently silver 3 and can't say I have noticed this at all. Exact opposite actually. Even dumber than a box of rocks, no one ever wants to do anything meaningful after first turret. Basically the exact way silver has been forever........... But congrats I guess. Normally I would be more positive but all I have seen this season is players who have never hit "xxx" rank all of a sudden be higher rank than ever before with a nice win rate. Meanwhile all the players in my games I think "huh they seem better than others" are players who were higher ranks but now lower rank with low win rate. I miss the game actually having stages, I miss the potential for major out plays, I miss not getting 2 shot by 1 item champs. Yea honestly this game so garbage now.
: Played since Season 1 so I'm probably a veteran. The thing is that it's not catering to "casuals" per se but rather that the game has moved more towards the team aspect. Solo carrying used to be a thing because someone could get so powerful, they carried the entire game. These days, solo carrying doesn't happen much, if at all, due to the game becoming more about the team than the solo player. For example, vision used to -ONLY- be the supports job. You could buy the odd ward but it wasn't uncommon to see supports with 60 wards shooting them all over the map. Wards are now a team thing, despite what your lower-tier friend might think. The game has also moved more toward mechanical skill than strategic skill. Don't get me wrong, both have ALWAYS been present but early league had a lot of point/click abilities and impossible-to-miss skills. These days, champions are both more mobile and have less reliability in their abilities. This means that there's more emphasis on being good at hitting skills than simply using them at the right time. The thing I'll always find funny is that most of the changes people complain about were things I saw requested years ago. Less focus on warding. More interactive and unique item actives. Varied champs who aren't always meta because they're unique. Weaker towers so you can't turtle forever. etc. Riot capitulated in a lot and it lead to the state of the game today, for better or worse. Overall, game isn't better or worse. It's just different despite what people may say. That said, for the guy who played since Season 2 and thinks the epitome of skills was Sona/Ezreal botlane? He's not really happy anymore. The game (again, better or worse) has evolved past him. A lot of the things you could get away with back in earlier seasons like AFK splitpush aren't as viable anymore. That's life: Things change and sometimes not in a way that benefits you.
> Overall, game isn't better or worse. It's just different despite what people may say. That said, for the guy who played since Season 2 and thinks the epitome of skills was Sona/Ezreal botlane? He's not really happy anymore. The game (again, better or worse) has evolved past him. A lot of the things you could get away with back in earlier seasons like AFK splitpush aren't as viable anymore. > > That's life: Things change and sometimes not in a way that benefits you. Not sure how someone who has played since season 1/2 can say that. Like.... if you want to play a moba that caters around only doing objectives & team fights go play HoTs or any other moba. League was unique because there were other things to focus on than just team fighting and objectives. There were other ways to win. Now its just.... group up with your team and hope you have better team comp than enemy. lmfao its so boring and predictable.
Madsin25 (NA)
: This game used to have other ways to win, splitpushing, stomping lane and 1v9ing. The only way to win games is teamfights where they don't even last 3 seconds. The game is getting stale and it's getting old.
> [{quoted}](name=Madsin25,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zUuFkgZ1,comment-id=00130000,timestamp=2018-03-14T17:24:52.576+0000) > > This game used to have other ways to win, splitpushing, stomping lane and 1v9ing. > > The only way to win games is teamfights where they don't even last 3 seconds. The game is getting stale and it's getting old. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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