youthere (NA)
: I came back after a long break and couldn't wrap my head around turret plates. They seem like an awful idea. Roaming from lane could already feel punishing as you are guaranteed to miss CS, but the risk felt worth it if you got a kill. Now, why roam when the enemy backs? You can easily get guaranteed gold from turret plates, and you won't miss CS. Moreover, other than "being a good teammate" what motivation do I have to follow a mid that roams? None. It's simply way smarter to push the turret, get the a couple of plates, AND if you can get the bonus for first tower destroy then, in a way, you are being a good teammate.
Turret plates exist because it actually rewards early aggressive plays to take turrets without completely ruining late-game champions who need the turret. Roaming might let the enemy get gold off of it, sure, but that's better than them getting the entire turret because you roamed once.
: The Good, The Bad, and the League: 4/18 - 4/24
It's great. I love seeing this kind of open-ness and communication. Knowing what's going on and that it's being fixed is great. :3
: What is league's "oldest trick in the book"?
Deathbush, either as a fed as fuck Nasus, Garen, or just 5 people waiting for the enemy team.
FSRER (EUNE)
: Isn't the whole point of aram to be a skirmish mode? Then why is there a item that allows its user to stand back and get full health?
It's kinda needed because otherwise poke comps can end up too strong. But the item in its previous iteration was outright busted, there's no way around that.
Morbys (NA)
: False, I outplay the hell out of him everytime I play against him, the problem is he only needs one item to snowball and it goes downhill from there. Someone mentioned it earlier, his only weakness is that yasuo players are cocky and think they can 1v5 so they get picked off easily.
Ah, yes, the champion that needs 3+ items to ever be able to teamfight and only comes online at 2 items unless his opponent ints hard or is hard-counteredq needs only one item to snowball.
: ranged autos, any non instantaneous, ground targeting, or extreme z-axis skill shot. I'd like to see you "get around" an auto or a pointblank skillshot.
There's two ranged autos in that list of champions, and only one of them is stopped by his W. And the ground-targeted abilities ignore his W too...?
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RAZnAtTM,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T14:44:48.323+0000) > > The abilities he can block are still pathetically easy to get around or are virtually irrelevant against Yasuo anyways. not really? vel's q, kas q, and syndra's.....everything but q? those seem important to me
Vel's Q can be angled around Yasuo's W and is much lower cooldown than it anyways. Bait it out. Kass's Q is just kinda weak poke against Yas since the shield it grants isn't really relevant, since Yasuo is all physical damage, and Yasuo has no channels to interrupt. Syndra's E and R are pretty fast, and basically impossible to fully block at most tiers due to ping. And if Yasuo has to W her W he opens himself up too much anyways.
: Ahri VU?
VU and please Riot update her W. Make it a not-boring ability and I will actually buy every Ahri skin in the store, buy all the mods here every Ahri skin (as long as they're in NA), and buy 10 other people every Ahri skin. Just remind me when you do. Make tails floofier, slightly better model, and rework W to make it not-boring.
RR8Rosie (NA)
: Which Champion do you ban the most in Ranked or Draft?
Fiddle. 100% Fiddle. Fuck dealing with him, fuck having to have him int on my team, fuck having the enemy Fiddle press R>E>Zhonya's and wipe my team. You know that feeling of getting flamed by your Vayne because your Zed somehow fed a Kassadin 18 kills by 10 minutes? Now imagine that, but you also have a toothpick under your toenail and you're being forced to kick a wall over and over and there's a screaming baby and fucking Karen wants to speak to your manager. That's dealing with Fiddle at any point in time. Even if he's useless he needs nerfs because he is the single-worst experience in League.
RR8Rosie (NA)
: Which Champ Needs more skins?
Ahri needs an edgy skin that isn't shit. Like, there's challenger as semi-edgy, and that's just...Bleh. And Midnight isn't really edgy, it's her in a coat.
: [Board Update] Endgame Weekend: No Spoilers!
Spoiler: Dumbledore dies. :P Anyways, thanks for this. Nice to see mods are watching out for us. :3
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: How are you supposed to comeback against a fed riven?
Ashe ult then open a can of whoop-ass on her? Riven's big weakness is that she can't afford to go defensive no matter how ahead or behind she is. She's stuck with half-defensive items with her tankiest build (Items along the lines of BC, DD, Maw, or GA). She never gets durable, not even really as durable as other fighters, so if you CC her and gang up on her she should die. And, yes, while "just CC them" isn't valid counterplay against a champion, that's only true when they're at a normal state. A late-game champion (such as Riven) being fed is *not* a normal state. And if your team doesn't have CC...well...you were fucked anyways no matter what the enemy comp was.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wolvahulk,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RAZnAtTM,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-25T09:28:48.027+0000) > > thats why you play velkoz, syndra or kassadin if you want a mage vs him, no matter how good he is that windwall wont do shit He can actually block a few of their abilities and he does rather well against Syndra
The abilities he can block are still pathetically easy to get around or are virtually irrelevant against Yasuo anyways.
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F0flEaku,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-04-25T14:32:44.185+0000) > > Yes, because the community that still complains that they can't predict midgets wearing robes with the free will of a semi-sentient tomato is definitely something that should be listened to. Yeh actually because not only does vayne do true dmg and %health dmg because of bork but she got buffed so that she can be invis 50% of the fight. Its like khasix's ult but she can reset it 20x
Doesn't she lose a significant amount of DPS if she does that? Like I'm pretty sure at a point you *slow* your effective attack speed just with the simple animation on Q. Also doesn't Kha's ult last more than a second? Edit: And there's still the fact that the boards are the boards, and are still complaining that burlap sacks on a string are too hard to walk around, so they really shouldn't be treated as the end-all-be-all of what's strong or not.
: they could also remove the limitation of the heal multiplier concerning how many champions he hits. lets be real here, how hard is it to set up a 5 man q on darius and how regularly will that happen? i think if he manages to pull that off and actually hits 4 or 5 people with his q, he should get 4 or 5 times the heal, and it shouldnt cap out at 3.
Tbh, I hate Darius and I agree. If he actually manages to get a 5-man Q off, let the man heal for the full amount.
: When you make a smurf to start reporting all the bots in Co-Op vs AI
You need a smurf to find them? I have over 300 bot games and I still occasionally find level bots in it.
StrayXL (NA)
: Undo the ARAM Warmogs nerf or Bring back Bans
You mean un-nerf the absolutely, COMPLETELY fucking broken item that had zero counterplay to it if whoever bought it wasn't already losing massively?
: Wouldnt it be funny if they listened to what the community said when the over buffed vayne's ult on PBE. Vandril made a video about vayne's new R tumble cooldown and about how stupid it was and you can see the comments saying "Lmao theres no way that this will make it to live servers" well it did and the skin came out for her, alot of people bought the skin, sales are over, where is her nerf?
Yes, because the community that still complains that they can't predict midgets wearing robes with the free will of a semi-sentient tomato is definitely something that should be listened to.
: {{champion:157}} Dude is handed 2000 gold worth of free stats and a shield for walking.
But we're looking just at the passive, which means Yasuo is handed **nothing** but a shitty shield that lasts only a second. 0x2 is still 0.
: The queue time on ARAM went up with a fucking minute when they removed bans
Or....Queue times went up because the special event (with rewards!) ended. But yes, it's definitely removing bans, not the ***logical explanation of an event ending***.
: Yasuo is Unhealthy for the Game
They have a high banrate because people refuse to learn to deal with the champion. It's a champion you have to actually outplay, people hate having to actually do anything against a champion to win.
: Address each issues one at time through trial and error. I'd give myself no more than 2 years to fix all of these things.
Sure. The thing Riot's been trying to do for 5+ years will easily be done by some guy in 2.
: Why become a mod if you dont play the game?
Because they might like the game as a whole, and just not be able to or want to play now. They could also just be an old player who stopped actually playing. Or maybe they, for some unknowable reason, actually like the community. Or maybe they just like moderating and are good at it.
: The removal of hunters potion shows how shattered the game's core concepts are
The item's been trash for years, though. Like, it was a trash buy since at *least* season 5. At best it's a crutch to help terrible jungling. And it can't be made too strong because the way you handle junglers is *to* fight them while they're low from a camp. If they have an easy way to never be low they tend to have a lot less counterplay.
: Really simple ways to improve this game
And how do you do this? Or are you just listing complex issues and stating it like it has a simple solution?
: Would you rather have Vayne and Riven be gutted to the ground or keep their current state?
Ah, yes, the only reason you can be against gutting a champion is if you main them. Definitely not a biased poll at all.
: Necessary Talk (#11): Soft Int, Rengar, Riven, Ranked 5's
Unironically using the phrase "Soft int" yikes. Shit doesn't exist. It's just a shitty thing people made up to blame their team for doing poorly. "He didn't just get outplayed! He's...uhhhhhh....soft inting!"
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=sjiqIqEm,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-24T13:31:26.426+0000) > > It means he's being pretentious and going "REEEEEEEEEEE APPLEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!111" > > Because, clearly, your choice of OS is what matters here. it still doesn't fix my problem
No, it doesn't. I'm just pointing out what that guy was saying. It sucks that this is happening...Have you tried changing your settings? Just changing *what* they are might force it to update itself.
: > [{quoted}](name=Krayzie,realm=EUNE,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=sjiqIqEm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-24T12:49:10.706+0000) > > _mac_ What?? do you mean my that
It means he's being pretentious and going "REEEEEEEEEEE APPLEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!111" Because, clearly, your choice of OS is what matters here.
: IS THERE Any Challengers in RIOT BALANCE TEAM ?
Pretty sure that Diamond would count as high elo.
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=x5YaP3eq,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2019-04-22T23:22:22.538+0000) > > Wind man bad It's funny because I actually perma ban him and yet I dont circlejerk about him or want him to be removed from the game or something Like, it's that hard to do that ?
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=x5YaP3eq,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2019-04-22T23:31:38.064+0000) > > It's funny because I actually perma ban him and yet I dont circlejerk about him or want him to be removed from the game or something > > Like, it's that hard to do that ? He's annoying at times, sure, and I'd definitely ban him more often if he was worth a ban or actually countered any of my pool. But then I see a Zed ban him after I've declared Nasus and just want to slap them for banning someone we BOTH counter.
: Since bans got removed from ARAM, might as well add the option to surrender at the loading screen
Except for, you know, how a lot of the problem champions were nerfed.
Saevum (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=noTsEvEN,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-04-22T09:13:59.691+0000) > > I rest easy, knowing I pissed off people who have zero idea how the game functions. > > EDIT: That's actually a lie, I don't sleep at night at all. Oh, i thought you were for real again, you should stop lying.
Nah, I do still sleep easy. It's just during the day.
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=x5YaP3eq,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-22T08:03:24.022+0000) > > Mostly it's just boards circlejerk. Crossbow woman bad. Upmorellos to the left.
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=x5YaP3eq,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-04-22T18:00:19.379+0000) > > Crossbow woman bad. > > Upmorellos to the left. Wind man bad
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yHBMcrsM,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-22T03:44:33.600+0000) > > Look at this heavy sustain champion who has a POINT AND CLICK silence and a SPAMMABLE HIGH-DAMAGE AOE that you can't dodge because it's so fast! AND she gains TONS of MS if you're beating her ally! > > {{champion:16}} You must be trolling right?
No, I'm mocking OP for doing the stupid "LEMME LIST THEIR KIT AND SAY HOW OP IT IS!" thing people like to do.
: 1. Yasuo has a bad win rate. And he is broken. Win rate isnt isnt everything. AT ALL. 2. The fact you go 0/2 out of lane/the fact you dont know how to cs and come back to with 2 items. Is your problem.
> [{quoted}](name=letsfeedtogether,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WAUjXeTh,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-22T11:33:52.596+0000) > > 1. Yasuo has a bad win rate. And he is broken. Win rate isnt isnt everything. AT ALL. If you're unwilling to mention winrate, then you're refusing to discuss balance. Which means you have no say in whether the champion is broken or not, since the state of being broken refers exclusively to balance.
: Rito games, what the hell did you do again ?
Top is a low-pickrate lane, mid is the highest-pickrate one. May I suggest selecting ADC as your secondary for when you're mid?
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WAUjXeTh,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-22T08:52:18.344+0000) > > 51% winrate, mains aren't too high up (averaging below 55%)...seems strong, not OP. I love how you didnt look at anything i said out side of wr.
Well, those are ***KINDA THE MOST FUCKING IMPORTANT THINGS FOR DETERMINING IF A CHAMPION IS OP***. But, sure, let's look at the rest. "Vayne is a late-game hypercarry. But her early game is better then a lot of other adcs. Post lvl 6 a good vayne can kill even a fed draven." Okay, blatant bullshit. A fed Draven is going to kill Vayne before she completes her first tumble - In many cases quite literally mid-tumble depending on how fed. Vayne is an incredibly squishy champ and Draven is an incredibly high-damage one. Vayne would have to be fed, lucky as fuck with crits, and get a stun off on Draven. Otherwise Vayne is going to die. " Her power spike is in 2 items. Yes. Hyper carry AT 2 ITEMS." Spiking at 2 items=!peaked at 2 items. Vayne is always a hypercarry per definition, but vayne isn't doing much carrying at 2 items. Nasus spikes upon buying Sheen - doesn't mean he's suddenly at late-game power because he spent 1050g. " It used to be - shut down vayne in lane and she just wont be able to come back." Maybe that's because Vayne is always going to lose lane to some degree unless you massively fuck up. Her default state coming out of lane is being 0/2. That comes with being a hypercarry - you lose lane unless your jungler/support massively helps you out or your opponent has only half a braincell, or you happen to hard-counter your opponent. If Vayne never gets to come back because you shut her down in lane, Vayne will **never** do anything. And you have a potentially huge lead - use the damned thing to do something besides kill Vayne more.
: He still gets damage from an item that isn't balanced towards giving it, it's a free offensive stat and he also gains an aoe slow on a low cd ranged skill which is again another exploit of a mechanic that wasn't supposed to trigger at range.
So...{{item:3742}} {{item:1038}} {{item:3001}} {{item:3153}} {{item:3007}} {{item:3147}} {{item:4105}} {{item:3044}} {{item:3086}} {{item:3078}} {{item:3090}} {{item:3068}} are all free offensive stats? You're paying for it. Ezreal is buying IBG for the damage and the defenses. >another exploit of a mechanic that wasn't supposed to trigger at range. Got a source on that last bit there?
Saevum (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=noTsEvEN,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-04-22T07:35:20.453+0000) > Most ranged champions are ass-tier toplane, because they have nothing keeping them safe. How do you sleep at night?
I rest easy, knowing I pissed off people who have zero idea how the game functions. EDIT: That's actually a lie, I don't sleep at night at all.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hfGfxjel,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-04-20T03:23:16.791+0000) > > It wasn't removed by Riot to silence the desire for bans to come back. Personally, I _want_ bans in ARAM so there's no reason I'd want to silence that! However, the reason for the removal appears to be that it was low effort/spam and didn't really do much for discussion. > > If I had made the removal, I would've redirected you to General Discussion, but I can understand the choice the moderator in question made. It didn't really provide much in the way of discussion which is something we are aiming to see more of on Gameplay versus just "upvote this" (excuse me, I mean "upvate") type threads. > > I can understand the frustration in seeing the removal though after it received much support. However, we don't judge removals based on votes or number of comments; we remove based on rules and guidelines for the Boards and the specific sub-board. > > EDIT: I'll add in that a good thread with plenty of substance for discussion such as mentioning why bans made ARAM a better experience and why you want it back would probably be allowed to stay and, given the support for the subject, will receive the same amount of support for Riot to see. How does it feel to be worse than the reddit mods?
> [{quoted}](name=Manwalrus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hfGfxjel,comment-id=00090018,timestamp=2019-04-22T04:09:13.316+0000) > > How does it feel to be worse than the reddit mods? For what? Deleting a spam "upvate"-begging post?
: well i almost won this game so i wouldn't say its a bad l....
She probably took more poke damage and more turret damage than the others. Also Riven probably had more resistances than Thresh, based on those builds.
Saevum (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NmPQNhvr,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2019-04-22T08:11:43.214+0000) > > No, I'm making an absurd point using OP's exact logic. Ok, carry on.
: More precisely. They aren't supposed to build such items while also not losing in effectiveness at dealing damage. ADCs are balanced towards being squishy high/mid range heavy damage dealers, this is why they shouldn't be building defensive items. Usually this translates into them being less effective at their main role, Ezreal keeps bypassing this weakness by being able to build a purley defenisve item to boost his offensive stats too. It would be the same giving a passive damage done buff to Spirit Visage or Randuin's Omen.
Except Ezreal is losing significant damage in going IBG instead of Trinity. It has half as much damage in the Sheen passive **alone**, while also lacking the AD and AS from Trinity. It's not **huge** at full build, but since his sheen item will be his first complete item, it's a huge difference.
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WAUjXeTh,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-04-22T08:08:42.974+0000) > > I say they're not OP because there are ***fucking stats to back that statement up***. > > Granted, they're far from bad (Vayne definitely pushing the strong side of things), but there's a difference between "Yeah this champ's kinda strong" and "Holy shitballs this champion's broken as fuck and needs half their kit immediately removed" How can you see that vayne is broken - for starters her win rate. 21% PICK RATE with 51% wr. 2 - vayne is a late game hyper carry. But her early game is better then a lot of other adcs. Post lvl 6 a good vayne can kill even a fed draven. Her power spike is in 2 items. Yes. Hyper carry AT 2 ITEMS. Thats insane. W min in to the game if shes 0/0/0 shes a hyper carry. Insane. And not balanced. It used to be - shut down vayne in lane and she just wont be able to come back. Now its just shut down vayne- she will come back with 2 items after farming and kill you all.
51% winrate, mains aren't too high up (averaging below 55%)...seems strong, not OP.
: You really aren't, a melee class like them is **supposed** to build defensive stats while ADCs are not.
Why aren't they? Why are ADCs not allowed to build a lower-damage higher-defense item?
hiyares (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NmPQNhvr,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-22T06:43:09.464+0000) > > Why are juggernauts and divers allowed to build several times that in defensive stats and still delete everyone? > > Why are most divers allowed to be significantly durable while building almost straight damage? ummmmmm in the case of juggernauts you should see the stats whre they are all at arounf 45-47% wr with about 2-.5% play rate and the problem is that conq breaks certain bruisers is not so much the itesm though i will say {{item:3161}} is an item that helps in breaking a few champs putting em over the top in their roles
I'm just making an absurd post using OP's absurd logic. (Most) juggernauts and divers don't actually need nerfs, I'm just making the point because his point is just as absurd.
Saevum (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NmPQNhvr,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-22T06:43:09.464+0000) > > Why are juggernauts and divers allowed to build several times that in defensive stats and still delete everyone? > > Why are most divers allowed to be significantly durable while building almost straight damage? So you want Juggernauts to be less beefy while they try to close up on a range mage or adc with dashes? and be kited to death easier? even more in a teamfight? we will also assume that they don't have GA or Hourglass just for the lols and giggles...
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WAUjXeTh,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-04-22T07:26:54.512+0000) > > Because he's not OP? > > You might as well ask why {{champion:42}} isn't getting nerfs. I see your comments alot. You say vayne isnt op. Yasuo is not op. Sorry. But yasuos/vayne in bronze maybe are bad. But it dosent mean they're not good.
I say they're not OP because there are ***fucking stats to back that statement up***. Granted, they're far from bad (Vayne definitely pushing the strong side of things), but there's a difference between "Yeah this champ's kinda strong" and "Holy shitballs this champion's broken as fuck and needs half their kit immediately removed"
Du Ma Mi (NA)
: Is there merit to hating the game, or is it just boards circlejerk?
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