: > [{quoted}](name=Z3Sleepier,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d1OTzFIx,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-12-06T02:24:22.505+0000) > > It's a rough post to talk about since it's just information presentation rather than an argument. > > Most talk on the boards is in the form of debate or agreeance, but there's not much to agree or disagree on here. Considering the post was also only 20 minutes old when I posted that?
Mayhap it's fellow Juggernaut players expressing their joy at having someone come forward and explain a key aspect of their champions for all to understand?
BigFBear (EUW)
: The group of Juggernauts can even be sepperated again into two sub-groups. We have a very immobile group of Juggs which are called "Raid Bosses". They pull their enemys to them (Darius/Illaoi) or nail down their enemys with devastating slows or arenas (Nasus/Yorick/Mordekaiser/etc.) and we have those mobile Juggs which are called "Freight Trains" who run or charge into their enemies and are focused on Autoattacks (Voli/Shyvana/Udyr/Trundle/Garen/Olaf was also one of them). Idk if the term "Freight Train" is official but the User DragonShea made an an superb thread on boards 2 years ago defining those terms, which i recommend to read: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/5Lj6oXPe-long-post-what-are-juggernauts-an-introduction-to-the-class-and-each-champion > "Juggernauts are the titans of the rift, capable to dealing colossal amounts of damage while also being hard to kill due to their durability and sustain, making them powerful frontliners that excel in the thick of things. Due to their ability to both deal and take a lot of damage, people will often be forced to between bursting a juggernaut down fast or risk having them run rampant and winning teamfights. Juggernauts are further divided into two groups. Freight trains, who in a burst of speed, will charge at their target and chip away of their health at an alarming rate with rapid attacks. And Raid bosses, who lack the means to sprint but are a slow moving beast that will kill nearly anyone that comes too close to them or is out of position." **Traits both share:** - High damage and tankiness. - Sustain of various degrees. - Predictable/highly telegraphed gameplay. - Vulnerable to kiting. **Exclusive to Freight trains:** - AA and AS focused (Garen is the exception but he deals rapid damage with his Spin) - Can gain a burst of MS to mitigate their weakness to kite. - Most have decent AoE damage or are powerful single target fighters/duelists. - Better at engaging/ganking and can even get past the backline to to maul down the ADC. **Exclusive to Raid Bosses:** - Some ranged abilities. - Some utility (can peel decently). - Conditional damage. Once they have fulfilled that condition, their damage skyrockets. - Better CC than Freight Trains.
I provided a link to that post in one of my own responses already. See here: >More info on it can be found here: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/5Lj6oXPe-long-post-what-are-juggernauts-an-introduction-to-the-class-and-each-champion (Some of the information on certain champions in the post may be outdated, just FYI; I don't know if this guy updates the post with each VGU or adds or subtacts when new Juggernauts are made)
: The dashes he has are very short and not enough to call him mobile. They are there to reposition his q's more than anything else. Swain is a battle mage like vladimir, not a juggernaut. If you want an example of a ranged juggernaut, use urgot. He still fits the juggernaut definitions pretty damn well despite being ranged. He shares the same general weaknesses and strengths with other juggernauts.
> [{quoted}](name=GonahtanuGepardi,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d1OTzFIx,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2019-12-06T00:56:32.180+0000) > > If you want an example of a ranged juggernaut, use urgot. He still fits the juggernaut definitions pretty damn well despite being ranged. He shares the same general weaknesses and strengths with other juggernauts. {{champion:6}} : On my class, it says I am a Juggernaut. On my range, it says I am Ranged. In my heart, I am a Melee.
Paroe (NA)
: You mention raid boss, and i just want to say; A raid boss type champion is one who scales well and scales infinitely. {{champion:31}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:235}} {{champion:75}} are "raid boss" type champions. Within the raid boss type theres also raid mini bosses; champions who scale infinitely but not well. {{champion:14}} {{champion:412}} would be raid mini bosses. This being said, raid boss is not a champion type riot supports. Its simply a name for the collective group of infinitely scaling champions.
What I meant by Raid Boss is an unofficial classification that Juggernaut players like myself use to differentiate between the various Juggernauts. You see, after the subclass idea was introduced, us Juggernaut players added to it of our own volition, expanding the idea. We divided the Juggernauts into two unofficial subclasses of their own: Raid Bosses and Freight Trains. Raid Bosses are the slower, more powerful Juggers (Such as {{champion:122}} , {{champion:82}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:75}} as examples) and Freight Trains are the faster, but slightly less hard-hitting Juggers (Such as {{champion:86}} {{champion:102}} {{champion:106}} as examples). Some are even a mix between the two ({{champion:48}} and {{champion:36}} ). More info on it can be found here: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/5Lj6oXPe-long-post-what-are-juggernauts-an-introduction-to-the-class-and-each-champion (Some of the information on certain champions in the post may be outdated, just FYI; I don't know if this guy updates the post with each VGU or adds or subtacts when new Juggernauts are made)
Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Weiner the Pooh,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d1OTzFIx,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-12-06T00:41:57.915+0000) > > Juggernauts are "powerful, durable, immobile and melee" which is why Aatrox has dashes and Swain is ranged. > > Riot can't even follow their own design philosophy. Aatrox isnt a juggernaut, to my knowledge. He does not have ANY of the traits a juggernaut has. Also swain is a battle mage. Like Ryze and Malzahar, hes not a juggernaut.
By the Subclass listings (According to the LOL Wiki at least) Aatrox IS a Juggernaut. This was updated when his VGU launched. So, yes, he actually IS one, traits or not notwithstanding. As for Swain, right on the money.
: 58 upvotes. 1 reply before me. Hmmmmm. Found a bot.
Don't look at me. I literally made the post and then went to some other place on the internet for a while.
Rioter Comments
: You they said in return they removed some of tankiness, do you think that is true at all?
Yes, I do, as I play Garen. (L7 Mastery on him, not that it counts for much) As part of the mini-rework, they changed his W from the 60% Damage reduction for 0.75 seconds and 60% Tenacity, then 30% for the remaining duration; to a 10% HP Shield for the same 0.75 second period and the Tenacity, while now turning it to 30% Damage reduction all around. It makes it to where you have to be EVEN MORE pixel-perfect with it's use (Not saying I struggled with it or anything).
baayveer (EUW)
: this is what i got from riot support there is a hope > Hey there again~ We keep a close eye on the League of Legends boards so if there is a wide spread issue with a certain champion for example, we're sure to take necessary action, so you can use that as a platform to forward your ideas to us <3 Thank you for your time! It's really appreciated✨ Cheers! > 2Garrett
A revert of a VGU from 2 years ago is likely something they don't consider to be an "issue".
Cõmega (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=EbonyBladeJ88,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=x6ObO5FA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-02T01:18:01.264+0000) > > As I have said to people complaining about the Morde VGU, they CAN'T revert them, because they usually don't have the old assets any more with which to revert, for one thing. > > Second, Riot DOESN'T REVERT VGUS. Sorry to be THAT guy, but sometimes a dose of Hard Reality is what people need. They have the old assets.
> [{quoted}](name=Cõmega,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=x6ObO5FA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-02T01:20:11.604+0000) > > They have the old assets. I said USUALLY. I'm not denying the possibility, but it's more likely that they do NOT have them.
baayveer (EUW)
: revert urgot riot hear me out Please vote
As I have said to people complaining about the Morde VGU, they CAN'T revert them, because they usually don't have the old assets any more with which to revert, for one thing. Second, Riot DOESN'T REVERT VGUS. Sorry to be THAT guy, but sometimes a dose of Hard Reality is what people need.
: Sanguine Blade. Is it too strong?
Yes. And this is coming from a toplaner who plays the people that can build it.
: Honestly when that cancer spin to win, brain dead champion going to get nerfed ?
Oh dear, someone got Justiced. {{sticker:garen-swing}} One of the goals of the Mini-Rework was to allow Garen to be able to access Conqueror, as before, he was one of the Fighters with the WORST synergy with it, despite it being a so-called Keystone for Fighters/Bruisers. His E being able to stack the ability comes from the fact that his E is his most often used skill (He's called SPIN to win for a reason after all), and how before it only gave a single stack of the ability (Both before AND after the Keystone got reworked) despite the fact that the skill/attack hits multiple times in a single use. He was a Fighter, yet he was essentially locked out of the Keystone supposedly MEANT for them. There was also the removal of Villainy, and the AS scaling (I assume that's what you refer to with this: > where he just spin and be twice the speed of any champion for some reason. It was given to him to open new itemization opportunities (Though it's essentially forced his former bread-n-butter item {{item:3071}} OUT of his itemization instead for {{item:3078}} ) but after numerous tests, his damage output largely didn't change. People just mysteriously forgot how to play against him.
Rioter Comments
EATARI (NA)
: That’s not ironic, that’s just unfortunate.
> [{quoted}](name=EATARI,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=Rh2NbsjI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-27T01:22:05.232+0000) > > That’s not ironic, that’s just unfortunate. https://i.gifer.com/JEuq.gif
: So Morde isn't a problem huh?
Well, he IS a Juggernaut. Juggernauts are kind of MEANT to do massive damage while also being able to tank great amounts of damage as well. It's part of their very description: Juggernauts are melee titans who relentlessly march down the opposition and devastate those foolish enough to get within their grasp. **They are the only subclass who excel at both dealing and taking significant amounts of damage**, but in turn they have a tough time closing in on targets due to their low range and extremely limited mobility. (Please pay attention to the area I highlighted in bold)
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: Plus Ultra
Oop, a Rioter comment folks. Ionian All-Might confirmed.
Rioter Comments
: Why not? Scared of a fucking adc alone in toplane? You literally build {{item:3075}} and the entire items stats are negated.
Yup, that 250 HP is REALLY gonna do alot when they've probably got Crit in that build somewhere too. So's that roughly 34 - 45 damage reflection and 1 second 15% AS reduction when about 2 AS items negates it.
iceyXYZ1 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Timethief49,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=lAZYl5ri,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-16T00:39:48.733+0000) > > I mean kayn has been out 2 years and has 2 skins. Zac has been out 6 years and has the same amount of skins (i dont count esports skins since they arent always available, even with its 3 skins). There are a alot of champs that are a lot more worthy of new skins imo. Same for aurelion sol, been out a year longer and the same amount of skins. Kayn even has a legendary one. I was ranting about Kayn skins because he is my favorite League champ.I know there are champions as you said with the same amount as Kayn who have been out for much longer.I would also love to see what riot has in store for those Champions. (Mostly because I want Star Guardian Kayn to happen so bad and because I have too many Star Guardian theories)
While it's understandable wanting more skins for the champs you like, Kayn also has this drawback: he's technically 2 champions in one, or 3 if you count his base form. You have to come up with SFX and VFX for the base form, and then SFX and VFX for the Shadow Assassin form, and then SFX and VFX for the Rhaast form. That's ALOT of work just for 1 skin, for 1 champion. Why do you think his 1st skin after release was a 1820 skin? There could be various reasons, but I think a major contributor is just the amount of WORK they had to put in to CREATE the thing.
Sukishoo (NA)
: I think we will see our next champion in the new year, to give Senna a bit more time to settle in.
This is true, but I'm just saying that with how Zoe was released, it's hard not to draw parallels between her release timing and the possible release of thisLlunari ADC.
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=EbonyBladeJ88,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=y8XRe2P9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-15T22:22:39.857+0000) > > Ai yai yai... just asking a question and I get downvoted. I just downvoted because this annoys the heck out of me > [{quoted}](name=EbonyBladeJ88,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=y8XRe2P9,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-15T22:08:39.299+0000) > >that he or she {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
Why does it annoy you that I'm simply asking a question? **** I was just saying we don't know the gender of the upcoming Lunari, so I was covering both bases.
Manxxom (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=EbonyBladeJ88,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=y8XRe2P9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-15T22:22:39.857+0000) > > Ai yai yai... just asking a question and I get downvoted. but I mean... the next thing we already know that's coming first, probably for preseason, is fiddle's rework.
> [{quoted}](name=Manxxom,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=y8XRe2P9,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-15T22:23:56.200+0000) > > but I mean... the next thing we already know that's coming first, probably for preseason, is fiddle's rework. Well, the order was said to be, Senna, then Lunari, then Ionia Jugger, then Fiddle and lastly Voli in the most recent Champ Roadmap. We got hints of a new "Whimsical" Jungler and a new Solo laner (Referred to as an Edgy Melee Carry, so most likely a Skirmisher).
Manxxom (NA)
: It would make more sense, considering preseason is usually in the winter season, which is when its night for the most part.
Like I said, there was in a manner of speaking, a precedent set with Zoe, who was also a Lunari.
: So now that Senna's out the door...
Ai yai yai... just asking a question and I get downvoted.
Rioter Comments
Xavanic (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=EbonyBladeJ88,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hppJJ9dl,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-11-11T18:26:12.858+0000) > > *Puts on Nerdy glasses* > > Umm, Morde is a Juggernaut, but Vlad isn't. He's a Battle-Mage or a Warlock if you want to use the alternate name. let's be honest he's a mage juggernaut...he has all the same properties as a normal juggernaut, immobile, sustain, lack of hard CC, movement speed buffs, lots of dmg and survivability, and don't say he cant because hes ranged, urgot is ranged, whether riot will acknowledge this or not is beyond me, but fact still stands, he has all the properties of a juggernaut
Try again. Riot's the one that writes the rules, and when looking at the subclass lists ( https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/taking-another-look-subclasses ) and then at the same ones on the LOL Wiki (https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Champion_classes/Fighter which includes the Juggernauts, and https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Champion_classes/Mage which includes Battlemages/Warlocks) , which were BASED off that post, we clearly see that Vladimir does NOT fall under the Juggernaut category. So Riot ACKNOWLEDGES that Vladimir is NOT a Juggernaut, similar properties or lack thereof notwithstanding. They may not have made any posts of a nature like this one https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/taking-another-look-subclasses SINCE then, and I believe this one was from 2017 or thereabouts, but they reference the subclass names in things like Champion Roadmaps, (https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/10/champion-roadmap-october-2019/ the most recent one mentions the new Ionian to be a JUGGERNAUT, for example). You want to view him as one, so be it. You do you. But I'm a stickler for rules, and if RIOT says he's NOT a Juggernaut, then he's NOT a Juggernaut in my book.
: New Immobile Bruiser Item
I'm still sore about Atma's Reckoning getting axed before we had a chance to try it in SR. Instead it gets shoehorned into Nexus Blitz, and IT got the axe too! Then SOS got turned into the abomination it is now, so I'm GLAD that one's going away. Anyways... At first glance, it looks like an AD version of {{item:3152}} , with the change of a conditional damage reduction effect, and a pretty reasonable requirement to use the active effect to help deter undesirables from building it. I guess the main deal is would the effect stack with {{item:3742}} 's On-Hit slow when at max "Momentum" stacks, or other things such as {{item:3022}} , or even Glacial Augment? I mean, say you're {{champion:86}} and you have a Dead Man's and this, and for some silly reason, you have Glacial Augment as your Keystone. You Q your target at max Dead Man's stacks applying that slow, adding Glacial Augment at the same. Then after it wears off you use this and slow the opponent again, thus practically ensuring they can't get away. Add in {{item:3022}} and they're doomed the moment you lay eyes on them. Some might cry overpowered because this would, yes, Undo (partially) the "Immobile" weakness in certain situations, as well as remove the "Low CC amounts" Juggers are supposed to have. I myself would consider this pretty reasonable, except that like Xavanic said above, you might need to tweak that HP requirement a bit more, since some like {{champion:157}} or {{champion:39}} might be building enough HP to meet that requirement currently, and I'll be honest; I'd rather not reward champs like them ANY MORE mobility than they already have.
Xavanic (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hppJJ9dl,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-11T17:52:24.444+0000) > > So you want to remove the ONLY weakness juggernauts have in being “immobile”? {{summoner:4}} exists anyways, plus ap juggernauts like vlad and morde also have {{item:3152}} doesn't seem like its a big deal tbh
> [{quoted}](name=Xavanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hppJJ9dl,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-11-11T17:59:38.120+0000) > > {{summoner:4}} exists anyways, plus ap juggernauts like vlad and morde also have {{item:3152}} doesn't seem like its a big deal tbh *Puts on Nerdy glasses* Umm, Morde is a Juggernaut, but Vlad isn't. He's a Battle-Mage or a Warlock if you want to use the alternate name.
Moody P (NA)
: hope it's a musclewaifu tbh
I mean no offense, but wouldn't that make them too similar to Illaoi then? Yeah, I realize that the word "Juggernaut" would suggest a bulkier frame and that more female Juggernauts would be interesting, but I'm sure there's more than the "They Transform" way that Shyvana currently takes, and the "Musclewaifu" route that Illaoi goes. EDIT: I also realize that we don't know what gender the Ionian Juggernaut is yet, as a second reading of the post does not suggest they are male or female, so you could be right for all we know at this point.
: Yeah, I guess so. Still really salty that Dr. Mundo didn't win the poll. Btw, where my Piltovan Juggernaut at, Riot? {{sticker:sg-janna}}
Yeah, there's another region that could use one. Let's see, we already have... Gun {{champion:51}} Giant Fists {{champion:254}} Transforming Hammer AND a Gun (Sort of) {{champion:126}} Edwina Scissorlegs {{champion:164}} . Pansy-Butt {{champion:81}} The Overlord who bathes in your tears {{champion:74}} and the "formerly known to be human" {{champion:61}} . What's something NEW we can come up with for this technological region?
Bultz (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=mrmeddyman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=rqzn2QOY,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-11-01T01:20:05.549+0000) > > I'm kinda hoping for a Bulky Pig Vastaya, we don't really have any Vastaya that fit the warrior archetype besides Wukong and he's more of a "skillful acrobatic fighter" than a "big slab of meat gonna lay down the smackdown fighter". > > Also want him to be Vastayan so we can explore unconventional animals instead of the basic animals you might find on a Chinese calendars likes cats, dogs, lions, monkeys and birds. Want them to feature an animal that hasn't been portrayed in champ design yet. That's kind of why I want the Seal sister, or an elephant/rhinoceros/anything but another fucking lion based Setaka, A pig is on the chinese calendar yeah, but you still don't see them outside of Charlottes' Web or Animal Farm. Honestly a pig would be lame imo. I would prefer a Tiger. A tiger just sort of screams brawler/ fist fighter.
> [{quoted}](name=Bultz,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=rqzn2QOY,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-11-01T04:28:22.628+0000) > > Honestly a pig would be lame imo. I would prefer a Tiger. A tiger just sort of screams brawler/ fist fighter. https://i.giphy.com/media/fSQEFseIaoorS/giphy.gif
: I recognize the fact that RIOT has made that classification, but given that it is a stupid-ass classification, I have elected to ignore it.
> [{quoted}](name=ZackTheWaffleMan,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=rqzn2QOY,comment-id=000700000001,timestamp=2019-11-01T19:11:57.283+0000) > > I recognize the fact that RIOT has made that classification, but given that it is a stupid-ass classification, I have elected to ignore it. https://tenor.com/view/avengers-language-gif-5285201 {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: Don't really agree with it either, always have seen him as a juggernaut. Yeah, Olaf directly goes for the squishies in the enemy team with his ultimate, but if this is the argument, then Dr. Mundo should be a diver as well since he goes for the squishies with his tenacity on W and his healing and movespeed on ult. So yeah, don't agree with it, but just wanted to point out that the official stance for Olaf right now is that he is considered a diver for... reasons...
Well, with the Poll, I assume Mundo's going to be getting a (Possible) VGU (After Fiddle, Voli and presumably Shyvana), and then he'll get more "True" Juggernaut aspects. We can hope the same for Olaf.
: {{champion:2}} Is also a Freljordian Juggernaunt Also, Juggernaunts match Freljord the most that's why they have more than other factions, they are the Vikings, so it only makes sense to see heavy brutal warriors in their region. As for ionia, the only way to see that juggernaut is something like a sumo, or a nonhuman brawler.
Yeah, he WAS classified as a Juggy, but then their second pass placed him among the divers. I know, it's silly, but it's Riot, whaddya gonna do? https://i.giphy.com/media/jPAdK8Nfzzwt2/giphy.gif Maybe a VGU will place him back among the Juggernauts, who knows. It's where we've gotten about 2 new members so far ({{champion:266}} & {{champion:6}} ). **** Yeah, and that makes sense too, and you could say that the Freljord Juggernauts are the most "Natural", so to speak, as the hardships they deal with on a day-to-day basis is what made them the Titans of strength that they are. The others all have their own other forms of "Juggernaut"-esque power in one way or another. **** Well, Ionia, ever since the war with Noxus, has had it's darker side much more on the rise, and that's presumably where this underground pit fighting started and where our newest Juggy got their big break. I'm interested in him because this is a NEW form of Ionia's "darker" side; because rather than being all magic-based or ninjutsu or something like that, this is just a pure muscle macho Juggernaut, no magics involved, with the possible exception of this "Fire" relation they are hinted to have.
: Hm, just the typical samurai archetype wouldn't do either, since we know that Riot likes to add some twists to it. But while we're at it, I found the concept I mentioned with the heavy armor inspired by beetles: https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/4d4d9d91-3acb-49ea-8d31-3f4cb0c5b677/d786gdm-216f7cb3-a9e6-46df-9b4d-ea154ce8ca85.jpg/v1/fill/w_1063,h_752,q_70,strp/vanguard___champion_project_by_caconymdesign_d786gdm-pre.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MTEzMiIsInBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzRkNGQ5ZDkxLTNhY2ItNDllYS04ZDMxLTNmNGNiMGM1YjY3N1wvZDc4NmdkbS0yMTZmN2NiMy1hOWU2LTQ2ZGYtOWI0ZC1lYTE1NGNlOGNhODUuanBnIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTE2MDAifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.-2JQsX3MN39fCLcN2vkDIbNUQe0FHSb4xJpb8iR3xHc Now THIS is how I imagined an Ionian juggernaut to look like. {{sticker:sg-jinx}}
Well, I never said that the image I provided had to be the DIRECT source of the Juggernaut's appearance; it could just act as a starting point, something to get the creative juices flowing, and they could add or subtract from there. Just because he might START as a Samurai in design doesn't mean he'll END as one. Case in point, see Jhin. Started out as some kind of Robot Cowboy Gunman, ended up as a much more elegant, fleshy gunman with a penchant for the number 4 and Art. I mean, until we get the "Champion Insights" thing for this new fellow, we don't even know what THEY started out as. **** As for the picture... That IS some pretty good design starts, but maybe simply because it says "Vanguard" all over it, it makes it come across to me as a design for a, well, Vanguard. NOT SAYING it couldn't be USED for a Juggernaut, don't get me wrong.
: They already have one for Targon. Taric plays exactly like a juggernaut in top and jungle. He has absolutely no mobility and will beat almost anyone if he can get close and stick to them with high amounts of sustain and melee dps. https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3187783663/209287161?tab=overview https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3177253502/209287161?tab=overview https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3182335248/209287161?tab=overview
We've been over this. Taric is considered a mix between a Warden and an Enchanter, as when you check the subclass lists, he is placed under both. I KNOW how you've said you like to build him, and that's great. You do you. But I'm unfortunately a stickler for rules, and if he's not placed under the Juggernaut subclass, then in MY BOOK, he's NOT a Juggernaut.
: Could be interesting, but I hoped for another thematic for our first Ionian juggernaut. Like some kind of Asian warrior in heavy armor. I remember a concept art from someone with shields as weapons and the armor was inspired by beetles? Personally, I am not really hyped for that champion, but well.
Well, I had suggested a TRUE Samurai-style Champ in one of those past posts of mine as the Ionian Juggernaut (As {{champion:157}} in my personal opinion, does NOT fulfill the true "Samurai" trope; he's more of a Ronin in my book). That lines up somewhat with your heavy armor idea, right? The image I used, I believe was this one: https://orig00.deviantart.net/7ec5/f/2010/002/5/4/samurai_by_geeshin.jpg (Let me know if the image isn't showing) Though to be honest, I kind of like the "Pit-Fighter" route they've gone, as using a Samurai would be a little cliché since Ionia is basically "Runeterran China/Japan", and some might claim that it's just a copy of Yasuo. But remember, that's just my opinion. The main thing I'm hyped about is that it's an actual NEW Juggernaut and not a VGU for a change!
: I would be excited if it wasn’t a juggernaut. Historically juggernauts have been very hard to balance and have broken the game a lot. Riot needs to be very careful with this one. Especially since they are saying he is gone be similar in skill level and play style to Darius.
I think they ARE being careful. Here's more of what they say on this new fellow: > It’s been a while since we made a more straightforward, accessible juggernaut, with Darius being the last, so we felt it was time to add something new to that space. So that SHOULD mean that he or she is not going to have any fancy doodads, mechanics and eye-popping/gamebreaking stuff (Like TRUE stealth or something like that), this is just going to be a straightforward Juggernaut.
: love the gif
Street Fighter 2 for the win! https://i.giphy.com/media/GJDkmccjvPOKs/giphy.gif
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: Does anybody have HUGE FPS drops??
*Raises Hand* I do. It's ruined my past 3 games and I'm afraid to try any more.
darkdill (NA)
: As you said, he can only target himself with it, so it doesn't count.
The fact that you say in your post that the ability to reduce allied basic ability cooldowns is incredibly powerful would mean that this hypothetical champion would have to have very little else to offer in their kit to balance that out. Though who knows with the more recent champs Riot has been releasing having almost everything but the kitchen sink in their kits.
: it was shit humor and entertainment and masking your whining post with a "just a meme bro'
I see. So, I'm not allowed to post memes in the very sub-part of the boards meant for memes and try to be silly. Small wonder Rioters don't come here much.
darkdill (NA)
: Should there be any Champion with Ana's Nano Boost from Heroes of the Storm?
{{champion:26}} ? Except that he can only target himself with the CD reduction?
Naalith (NA)
: Great, another interesting new champion that's gonna be deleted due to pro play
Senna: UNTARGETABILITY FOR EVERYONE! *Turns towards enemy team* Senna: Oh, except for you.
: Like I'm sure they will lie about it. Say that they reduce damage or if they do changes it lasts a patch.
Yup. Riven overpowered for months on end? Ranged Champs up Top pushing out Melees? Riot: https://i.giphy.com/media/TfKuJzSVrB9bfaNgQf/giphy.gif Garen good for a SINGLE patch? Riot: http://giphygifs.s3.amazonaws.com/media/TlK63EHLGxiPCSCx2P6/giphy.gif
: Why would you ever suspect Riot of lying?
Considering some of the changes and lies they've perpetuated, sometimes I think I'd sooner trust the fox {{champion:103}} that was going to steal my life essence than them. At least she's honest about her intentions. ######/S
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