: > [{quoted}](name=Echoing,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=X4I6wYhe,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-10T05:41:27.426+0000) > > Ooh, D&D. > > D&D's long since had rules for sentient weapons. Invariably, the majority of them want to take control of the character for their own purposes - very much like Darkin. Wonder where Riot got that idea... > > In terms of overall DM advice, Darkin weapons shouldn't be used by the players casually. I'd advise against it totally, as part of the Darkin fantasy involves taking control from their host, which you can't do to a player character without royally pissing off the player. If you want one of them - and I mean ONE of them - to use one, make sure it takes a decent quest to even find such a thing. Don't let it be easy either; since the Darkin prefer strong hosts, the most likely result is that the only way you'll get their weapon is prying it from their current host's dead hands, which should be enough of a warning sign right there that this is a bad idea. > > In terms of preparation, stat out the Darkin first. Use some of the higher level demons and devils as a starting point for the Darkin's stat block. Give it some unique abilities pertaining to its nature - a feline Darkin sealed in a pair of wicked cat claws should have a matching set of abilities that encourage its sneakiness, agility, and quick bursts of ferocity. You'll use that stat block if the Darkin ever takes over the host. > > Those abilities, though? The wielder should be able to invoke those abilities if they're wielding the weapon long enough. > > You can figure out whatever corruption mechanic you want to unlock those abilities. You know your players better than I do. What's important, though, is that you give your Darkin a good character. As far as they're concerned, if they're being used by your party, they are essentially a party member. Certainly not a friendly one, but they're with the party anyways. Play this up as much as possible - weigh in on everything, keep trying to tempt the user to go a bit farther, play off their social interactions and vulnerabilities. > > Even though it's thematic, don't try to take control from the character unless the player is cool with it. If you want, you can have increasingly more difficult Wisdom saving throws if you're doing something the Darkin disagrees with - not ripping out a fallen enemy's throat, for instance - but that gets somewhat obnoxious. It's definitely one of those things where I can't help you mediate actions with players you're more familiar with than me. > > Do emphasize that if the Darkin takes over, though - either because that corruption meter hit max, or because the player finally gave in, or whatever the hell - that's the end of the character. Evil PCs mesh poorly with most campaigns and parties and generally go against the structure of the game, and giving in to corruption isn't something that should be a main goal. Besides, at that point the PC can no longer take any actions of their own free will - the Darkin's got full control. > > It's a bit more vague than I would have liked, but I hope this helps a bit. Yeah, my main idea is to not even let the players get a sniff of a Darkin weapon until they actually know what the weapons are and go on a quest to actually stop a Darkin, learning what kind of carnage these things can cause. I want to help the players understand that _these things are bad._ But I also want the weapons to be touchable because I don't like taking player agency from them. If they somehow go through *all* of that shit, and decide "I can handle this", I'll go ahead and let them. I'll make sure they understand what the consequences would be before hand, too. It'd most definitely have to be in the higher level parts of things. As for the Darkin stats, Demons and Devils sound like a pretty rad starting point. I'll definitely see what sorts of things I could do with those. One thing I haven't thought about is the Darkin as a party member. Apparently, they can talk to multiple people at once, if Kayn's color story means anything. That'd actually be pretty interesting to see them interact with one. I mean, they are fucking crazy psycho murder weapons, but Rhaast can be a witty fucking crazy psycho murder weapon as well. Thanks for the tips, mate!
No problem. I used a Warlock's pact weapon as an excuse for their demon patron to chime in on everything, usually by berating the party. Having a powerful but sealed antagonist that is forced to hang out with the party because eventually it'll be in their best interests is an interesting dynamic that you can get a lot of mileage out of. Try not to overdo it - they're speaking from a point of relative safety, so if they get too grating, there's nothing the party can do about it. But yeah, a Darkin weapon seems like endgame tier right there. Remember that Varus got used to end the war. Besides granting their abilities, you might also want them to at least be a +3 weapon. If you're the rulebreaker kind of guy that doesn't give a damn about the norms, making it a +4 weapon when nothing is supposed to be past +3 in 5e rules might get the point across.
: Jhin is gay :D
What necromancy is this?! TURN UNDEAD! (Please do not bump 3 year old threads.)
: How would you do Darkin in DnD 5e?
Ooh, D&D. D&D's long since had rules for sentient weapons. Invariably, the majority of them want to take control of the character for their own purposes - very much like Darkin. Wonder where Riot got that idea... In terms of overall DM advice, Darkin weapons shouldn't be used by the players casually. I'd advise against it totally, as part of the Darkin fantasy involves taking control from their host, which you can't do to a player character without royally pissing off the player. If you want one of them - and I mean ONE of them - to use one, make sure it takes a decent quest to even find such a thing. Don't let it be easy either; since the Darkin prefer strong hosts, the most likely result is that the only way you'll get their weapon is prying it from their current host's dead hands, which should be enough of a warning sign right there that this is a bad idea. In terms of preparation, stat out the Darkin first. Use some of the higher level demons and devils as a starting point for the Darkin's stat block. Give it some unique abilities pertaining to its nature - a feline Darkin sealed in a pair of wicked cat claws should have a matching set of abilities that encourage its sneakiness, agility, and quick bursts of ferocity. You'll use that stat block if the Darkin ever takes over the host. Those abilities, though? The wielder should be able to invoke those abilities if they're wielding the weapon long enough. You can figure out whatever corruption mechanic you want to unlock those abilities. You know your players better than I do. What's important, though, is that you give your Darkin a good character. As far as they're concerned, if they're being used by your party, they are essentially a party member. Certainly not a friendly one, but they're with the party anyways. Play this up as much as possible - weigh in on everything, keep trying to tempt the user to go a bit farther, play off their social interactions and vulnerabilities. Even though it's thematic, don't try to take control from the character unless the player is cool with it. If you want, you can have increasingly more difficult Wisdom saving throws if you're doing something the Darkin disagrees with - not ripping out a fallen enemy's throat, for instance - but that gets somewhat obnoxious. It's definitely one of those things where I can't help you mediate actions with players you're more familiar with than me. Do emphasize that if the Darkin takes over, though - either because that corruption meter hit max, or because the player finally gave in, or whatever the hell - that's the end of the character. Evil PCs mesh poorly with most campaigns and parties and generally go against the structure of the game, and giving in to corruption isn't something that should be a main goal. Besides, at that point the PC can no longer take any actions of their own free will - the Darkin's got full control. It's a bit more vague than I would have liked, but I hope this helps a bit.
: I've threatened to do this for a while, and I rather like this concept, so you know what? Time to put my money where my mouth is and see how the judges like something of mine. **[Sikandar, Xer'Sai's Bane](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/dM3giWev-sikandar-xersais-bane-champion-concept)**
Damn it, really? Entry confirmed. I hope my judges come through this month.
: Do rework concept count or only original champion concepts?
Needs to be original. Reworks do a good chunk of the work for you, which is somewhat self-defeating.
nasu010 (NA)
: Hahaha so much i can enter not sure who should participate so I'll do a random selection And so we got >https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/alenfkkP-loaloas-kit-and-play-style Making a splash ___ >https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/GujzwrvW-champion-concept-briar-the-warrior-of-the-wood?comment=0005000000010000 And this is my contribution to the community am always here posting. ___ If you like my concept check out some more from my gallery >https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/Eal50gAL-nasu-010-concepts-gallery
That concept is 4 months old. It needs to be from this month or last month.
Echoing (NA)
: [CCOS] September CCOS Entry Time! (And April CCOS Results!)
[Results are in!](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/Qo6hnHpc-ccos-october-ccos-entry-time-and-september-ccos-results)
Rioter Comments
: Diana and Leona rework - A Lesbian Dream. :D
With a four month old thread with contentious material being necro'd, I think it's safe to lock this before this gets any further out of hand.
: Thank you for hosting this contest! Captain, how do you type that "A" in Marvelous using the Alt commands?
Googled it for you. It's ålt+134.
xUnRavelx (OCE)
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/8JEIeAoE-pandoras-actor Pandora's Actor :)
Bombolz is right on both posts. Come back later this month when the October CCOS starts.
: [Liu](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/m3NQi1hk-champion-concept-liu-the-girl-with-the-dragon-spirit) enters the competition full of fighting spirit! Id like to enter this concept into the competition --- **meaningful review of another community member's work** https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/uGRVeJoA-deimos-devourer-of-fear?comment=0002 ---
Entry confirmed! Just put the link in the thread so no one can miss it.
rareform (NA)
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/0Baxg5Fo-levia-the-baccai-ascendant
: My entry comes here. Please check. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/ViAsgbEk-asdain-the-champion-hunter-champion-concept And [my review](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/E5GA0nuG-champion-concept-vek-la-the-forsaken-thaumaturge?comment=0001) for another entry.
Entry confirmed! Just put the review link in your champion thread so no one misses it.
: Here is my entry: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/nWcaAW2x-kysinh-the-void-parasite A Void parasite that relies on it's host for protection and food. Hope I'm not missing anything.
: Heeeey, nice, the CCOS is back :) Guess I was wrong to write it off as dead, my bad :D Never been happier to be mistaken ^^ https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/QxBuqYVK-champion-concept-sayuri-the-reflection Here's my entry!
Alzon (NA)
: Here's my entry! https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/UtbTFlXn-ccos-entry-entier-the-thunder-of-drums
Bombolz (OCE)
: Ok, thanks for the heads up. I've posted the kit and lore in the thread, and tried formatting it as best I could. I hope it's still easy to navigate.
Entry now confirmed. Apologies for the delay.
: Here is my submission, hope i didn't forget to include anything https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/TJmN64bB-ccos-entry-valazear-the-sweet-facade
Entry confirmed! Don't forget to review something!
ExpStealer (EUNE)
: Here comes my concept - [the Howling Banshee](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/Lsnsfajf-ccos-entry-howling-banshee-champion-concept-v-20). It is version 2.0 since I posted the original about a month ago, but now I made some changes to her kit and added lore as she didn't have any.
Entry confirmed! While there's still time, you want to actually personalize your champion. Otherwise you're looking at an incredibly low score in Characterization, as the Howling Banshee isn't actually much of a character right now. Don't forget to review something!
: My entry: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/pJGiWEvN-champion-concept-w-the-nameless-knight Review: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/BXjETLE8-rework-concept-pantheon-the-aspect-of-war?comment=0007 Good luck for the other participants and thanks for the judges!
Entry confirmed! (add the review link to your thread for convenience)
: Here is my entry. It is a void-based support that focuses on positioning and requires allies and enemies to focus on the positioning while Sre is up. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/4Ga6PGwV-srebog-the-bringer-of-the-void Also here is a concept I commented on. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/oJxqATbh-ataru-the-unarmed-combatant-new-mechanic I suggest you all check out this concept as well. It is a unique system that reminds me of a monk archetype in other video games.
Entry confirmed, but make sure you link to your comment on your concept's thread, so it doesn't get missed by accident.
: What if my concept posted long (6 months) ago but wasn't sent in any CCOS? Is it available to join this time?
Nope. I'm looking for new concepts, not old ones so people can't just sit on a bunch of concepts and send them in one at a time without having to change anything. It sounds dumb, but the idea is to help people improve, and allowing concepts older than about one month means you could just get complacent and submit your entire roster eventually without having to make a single change to anything, and that doesn't really benefit anyone.
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/LqhNNalI-champion-concept-noe-an-unnatural-existence First time participating, good luck to me!
Actually, Noe was submitted within the proper time for approval last CCOS, so I judged Noe already. Even if Noe wasn't too old to participate in this CCOS, I can't confirm repeat participants. Do you have a new champion concept you'd like to submit instead?
Enuknia (NA)
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/NxGmliNN-static-the-charged-edge Hello, this is the Tale of the Lightning Infused Wuju disciple known as Static.
: ***
Bombolz is right. If you have a champion concept with a lore and kit, I'll be happy to confirm its entry, but skins are not within the purview of this contest.
Bombolz (OCE)
: My entry: The Forsaken Thaumaturge https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/E5GA0nuG-champion-concept-vek-la-the-forsaken-thaumaturge The concept itself is not on the thread but instead is a link to my google drive, so I hope that's ok. Can't wait to see other entries!
Post the lore and kit on the thread, not the google doc, and I'll confirm the entry.
DearPear (EUW)
: Here's my entry : https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/NcToLoYJ-alyx-the-sylvan-alchemist The -almost- whole champion's concept is available on her website (link in the thread). Even though it's not required, don't miss out on her login screen (YT link also in the thread). The website has its own separate music. Loading the website can take a moment. If it appears stuck at any%, reload the page.
I'll confirm the entry when you post her lore and kit on the thread, not just the website. I and the other judges have to access this information quickly to facilitate judging.
: He's pointedly avoided bringing it up one way or another but his stance on them is clear.
[I lived bitch](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/wXAAgXy4-ccos-september-ccos-entry-time-and-april-ccos-results)
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: That was indeed the intent here, as clearly noted by my feedback right from the start, which offered constructive criticism, and even cited examples outside of my own opinion that could help guide discussion. My issue here isn't whether or not I am proven right, as ultimately no part of this effort has to do with me, but whether or not the person to whom I am offering my time and feedback is actually ready to receive criticism of any sort. In the above comment chain, I was quote mined, and otherwise attempted to be discredited via aspersions cast upon my character and the nature of my feedback through tone policing, a tactic you are currently employing right now. A critique does not have to be pure adulation to be valid, and I do think I have the right to denounce tactics that do not demonstrate good faith, or an attempt at productive discussion. I understand that you want to defend your friend on this matter, but I am not the one at fault here, as I have taken the time and effort to contribute to this discussion, even if my feedback was clearly received with prejudice. It puzzles me that you would go all the way down this comment chain just for me, when plenty more people on this very topic, let alone in other threads, have made far less constructive criticism, or simply far less useful posts overall. What exactly spurred this kind of prioritization?
Maybe I asked too nicely and used the wrong phrasing to imply this was up for debate. It's not. > My issue here isn't whether or not I am proven right, Then you don't need to leave off with a parting shot like: > My points, however, still stand, regardless of which tone one chooses to attribute to them. Lay off the aggressive approach to feedback, and definitely lay off the personal snipes at me advising you otherwise. As a tip: Line break more frequently. You have giant paragraphs that make it difficult to parse your posts when you're not forced to line break by quotes.
: That is entirely your prerogative. My points, however, still stand, regardless of which tone one chooses to attribute to them.
I'd really advise against this antagonistic approach to feedback on any concept in the future. The idea is to help people improve and refine their work, not for the person giving feedback to be proven right.
: Rivens Lore
+1 upvote. I've seen you in my own thread regarding this and everything you've said is spot on. It's a rather unnerving trend that old Riot, prior to their narrative department really getting into things, has done a better job at characterizing champions with far less resources available to them, and I hope that Riot doesn't forget their past and tries to build upon it instead of erase it. Not sure what's going on with the quotes though. I think it might be hitting some cap on how many quotes you can have. Which is unfortunate - try using three dashes instead. --- It makes a pretty cool line break like that, which might improve readability.
Echoing (NA)
: Confessions of a Broken Blade Resolves Issues Too Quickly.
Hah. Caught myself. > I'm not saying that's why you did this change to Riven, but let's be honest - you couldn't have written this story with old Riven and her Noxian ideals. This is false, actually. Instead of being haunted by the ghosts of weak Ionians that died because Riven was stronger, Riven is instead haunted by the ghosts of her squad, her family and trusted friends, killed because she didn't find out about the chemical weapon attack in time. Instead of being held on trial for killing one specific old man - which is somewhat contrived to begin with - she's held on trial for the chemical weapon attack. And instead of being forgiven because she didn't mean to kill the elder, she's forgiven because not even Noxus's greatest soldier is willing to defend the chemical weapon attack, and Riven's steadfast rejection of that is what convinces the people that a Noxian can be something more than just an oppressor. You lose out on Yasuo's presence, but this approach hits all the same story beats otherwise while maintaining Riven's old character. This could have been done. This could have been possible.
: Who says she doesn't believe in Noxus and it's values anymore? She lived through traumatic events and is recovering from it. Her whole theme is being a broken blade, but still a Noxian broken blade. A [quote](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/6JWHilrN-rivens-faction-should-be-ionia-now?comment=0003) from WAAARGHbobo (one of Riot's writers) after being asked if Riven's faction will be changed to Ionia: > Riven still represents the best of what Noxus is and could be. Currently she is being tempered and reforged by Ionia.
If that's what the best of Noxus is and could be, that is one hell of an insult to Noxus. This is what that looks like? Totally broken and in need of repair by a foreign country that couldn't even muster a guy strong enough to beat you to put it back together? It'd be difficult to write an even sicker burn than that. Given that I'm pretty partial to Noxus, this isn't encouraging to hear.
: Disagree. Riven still represents the best of what Noxus is and could be. Currently she is being _tempered_ and reforged by Ionia.
I don't think you really understand Riven, then, because the Riven here is nothing at all like the Riven we've had until now. If this was truly the best of what Noxus is and could be, why is she stuck in a suicidal state over perfectly justified killing? The strong survive in Noxus, so why would she feel guilt over defeating the weak in fair combat? In fact, that's why the chemical attack broke her - not just because it killed her buddies, but because it defied that basic rule of Noxus, the strong should prevail over the weak. To call this new Riven the best of what Noxus is and could be is a rather telling insult to Noxus. Yes, this new Riven should be classed as Ionian. It's happened before, like changing Ziggs from Piltover to Zaun. There isn't a hint of that Noxian idealism we've come to love about Riven in this new Riven's character.
GreenLore (EUW)
: I do agree that they shouldn't rush some plot points too fast. Though I feel like this was actually already a small problem in burning tides already,where it suddenly turned out that riot retconned the origin of twisted fates abilities and the circumstances of graves imprisonment,making the resolution feel like it came out of nowhere.(not to mention that MF all of a sudden knew already that GP killed her parents,wheras in the old lore it was a mystery) And tbh,I hoped to see a bit of mystery surrounding the death of elder souma,everything getting solved like this,with us not even knowing how Yasuo found Riven,felt a bit anticlimatic. However I can understand Riots decision to move the lore at such a fast speed,I mean we don't get many lore releases like this,so every release has to count. Trying to slowly build up a story like this doesn't really work,if the next time they revisit the story would be in 5 years.
There's a difference between a retcon, which changes the circumstances entirely, and an expansion, which adds more details to the circumstances. Miss Fortune having Gangplank as her parents' killer when it was previously unknown would be an expansion. Miss Fortune having dead parents when she had none would be a retcon. You're right, it is anticlimatic. We're led to believe this is going to be a huge thing, but you can tell just by how Riven's not doing anything that this story's not going to go anywhere exciting. I'll disagree with the necessity of rapidly moving forward stories though. That doesn't accomplish anything. Riot wants to put out the best product for the players. This is why I'm still a fan - they show an honest, earnest belief in that. That's also why this is confusing, as it seems like Riot's perpetually playing catchup in the lore department in nearly every way. You can favorably compare the story and writing in games like Bioshock, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Pyre, etc. to books and movies, mediums that live and die by their writing. I wish I could do the same with League of Legends, but with stories like these, it's just kinda stuck in this weird spot where it's better than nothing and that's about it. And it can be so much more than that, if Riot would stop, slow down, and figure out what makes a good story tick.
: I actually like this story. This Riven truly held onto the guilt of things and was as broken as he blade. She worked her ass off to get to where she was, only to be cast aside as collateral along with many she considered her Brothers and Sisters. They all believed in their father land, and they were killed for it. Seeing all of that would break just about anyone. Having barely survived she found herself before Elder Souma. She begs him to break her blade, break herself. Riven is at her weakest having the horrors of chemical warfare fresh in her mind and feeling she has nothing left. Souma agrees and tries to break it, but the Dark, Rune Magic in the blade retaliates and blasts the entire room, and with the wind power from Souma being part of that blast it looks like he was slain by his own technique. Riven freaks takes her broken blade and runs away, unintentionally leading to Yasuo getting blamed. Days later she is found near death and begging for it in the fields of the Old Couple. Having recently been broken themselves with the deaths of their sons they take her in, hoping to heal both her and themselves. Riven recovers some strength and becomes a farm hand. She is eventually found and taken to court. During it her mental blocks are lifted bit by bit and she is forced to face the ghosts of her pasts. After a quick fight with Yasuo and words from the lead judge Riven starts to become more at peace with things, and the next day she is sentenced to Live. She gets her title of Exile and is ordered to make good on reparations to all she has wronged. Thus this story arc ends and we get a Riven close to what we have in game. She has learned, she is slowly going to reforge herself. She and Yasuo now have their answers, it is up to them now to figure out how they make up for past mistakes. I just wish she got a new model at some point soon >.>
It's alright to like this Riven. Riot's got a good reason to move the story forward for Riven, since her story was otherwise literally impossible to achieve, as no way was she going to reform Noxus on her own without any allies. But what you've got there isn't actually an argument, it's a recap of the story. That doesn't refute any of the points I've brought up, chief among them is that we've had no time with this new Riven before she suddenly undergoes character development and loses a core flaw. And Automated Riven is right - this is a very different Riven from what we've had around since Season 1 and what we've heard in-game. That you would even say... > it is up to them now to figure out how they make up for past mistakes. ...shows just how far gone this new Riven is in characterization, as the old Riven would NEVER have considered fighting for Noxus a mistake.
Anu3isII (EUNE)
: I like to think that there will be a second war between Noxus and Ionia, where she will come back to fight in order to protect her new home. She wants to be forgiven by the ghosts of the past, to reforge her weapon, and what better way than protecting their families and lands. I believe what we see now is a phase before her final appearance as a warrior that seeks both redemption and her old ideals. She will want to prove Noxus that the traditional thinking was the best, and she will continously measure her strength with the new Noxian combatants to find if she is wrong in believing that.
That seems like a logical next step from here. I wouldn't mind seeing that, actually, except that as far as we know, Riven's totally done with Noxus in every way. This is a marked departure from her old character. That, and Swain seems to be treating Ionia like we would treat invading Russia in the winter, so that's not super likely.
: I absolutely agree. I've made a couple posts here and there now about Riot's tendency to sum things up in their lore with rushed, flimsy resolutions. They need to learn to abstract time a little, and see the macro scale. One person changing deeply because of a single, epic event? Possible. Two people? Maybe. Four people? Unlikely. Six people? It starts to get a little ridiculous. Most people take months or even years to change, even following a major event. Character is only character if it's constant. If Riven doesn't have trouble letting go of her previous beliefs, if she doesn't shed them only after meaningful contemplation and insight into alternative ways of thinking, it feels like she doesn't really have character at all. "Proud badass" isn't a motivation, it's a persona. And a redundant one at that. She needs more, and I for one am not convinced that one long conversation with a wise old man (who belongs to a nation that had been her bitter enemy for at least four or five years!) is enough to provide that context for change.
Pretty much this. It's somewhat confusing: Riot's been playing the long game with their lore ever since they removed the Institute of War. And they've had a good reason for that - it lets them tell really big, dramatic stories. That's pretty cool. And then they backstab their long game by suddenly resolving issues? You're right. A single talk doesn't change anything. Even if it did, the actual change wouldn't happen overnight. Even if that was possible, it's highly improbable. You can sell the audience on how a game of poker is what the fate of the world hinges on, but they'll rightfully object if the hero wins with a royal flush over the villain's four of a kind.
: I'm split on this; on the one hand, this story developed too quickly to have any real meaning, like you said. For a confrontation built up for four years, it's rather underwhelming. Problem is, since the Great Retcon several years back, this is one of exactly two stories to progress from their starting point, the other being Bilgewater. At this point there is a substantial chance that most Champions' stories won't see continuation before the heat-death of the universe, and that's with them rushing resolutions like this.
Not true, actually! You forget the big Shuriman update, which DID move forward the story for Nasus, Xerath, Sivir, and Taliyah! It's pretty easy to forget since it didn't have a huge fancy event thing like Burning Tides, which is really tragic when you think about it.
: I feel like riven in her new lore is bland and useless. I fucking hate it. I have tried, (I am gonna go reread the color story on a few days) but the old riven had a purpose. The old riven believed in something (even if it did fail her, kinda) and she had a reason to fight and a reason to wield her sword. In fact the briliance of her original lore is that it explained her breaking the sword AND still having it. Riven other the new lore just feels like a worthless shade of her former self. She is suicidal in all but action. Her only redeeming quality as a character is her almost self depreciating respect for the farm couple. (She refused to defend herself for fear of spilling blood on farm land) The random obsession with her learning the words for siblings and parents didn't make sense considering how long she had lived with them (I believe a year but I can't say that for certain) This new lore flies in the face of everything she was as a character and everything her in game quotes depict her to be. I hate it.
Pretty valid concern. I'm mostly concerned with the process of what happened with Riven rather than the state of Riven right now, since if the process isn't addressed, it'll keep cropping up in future stories and won't be confined to just Riven.
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: Hey again! I'd like to submit [Mallus, the Deacon of the Demons](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/T8E8APeo-mallus-the-deacon-of-the-demons) to this CCOS! Trying my hand at a champion that doesn't fit directly into a playstyle, so hopefully it'll work out!
Entry confirmed! (you really do want to fit into a playstyle though, what happens is that if you have no reliable outputs or role, you're not getting picked ever)
bigchubs (NA)
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/zb4l9mlm-sir-oswald-the-humble-knight Been working on this guy for awhile, finally decided to finish him and post him here. Good luck to everyone else, can't wait to see what you guys come up with. Cheers!
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/jfRyTfFE-more-darkin i hope i did this right
No, you did everything wrong! EVERYTHING! Nah I'm just foolin', entry confirmed. Don't forget to review someone or something outside the CCOS!
Eclairius (EUW)
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/w7uKtkBj-champion-concept-siulv-the-scarlet-orphan Taking the leap of faith for the first time. Good luck to everyone.
Grau (NA)
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/XYJ6Q62p-champion-concept-telford-the-beast Another CCOS, another champion. Badaboom
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/tBBNEE1J-champion-concept-tor-the-techmaturgical-thermomancer I haven't entered a CCOS since last year. It's about to change now.
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