: > [{quoted}](name=Elderwood,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RTLsQZRZ,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T16:28:41.121+0000) > > Aka performance didn’t matter because he picked Rengar. Gotcha. Its always the same with players like you isn't it? People point out mistakes you did that could have prevented the situation and tell you what happened is supposed to happen when you play with your brain off, but instead of learning from it and attempting to get better at the game you just want to sit around and cry cry cry while hoping Daddy Riot hears your tears and nerfs the champs for you. Oh well, you're the one that's playing grey screen simulator everytime you face assassins, not me.
Tfw you get so steamed you contradict your own logic. Is it even worth talking down to someone of your intelligence lol.
: its more of think of your teammates as vision walls beyond your personal control ward. since stealth has limited vision range they wont be able to sneak past your team your control ward is for your blind spot.
Valid. Though that kind of cooperation is hard to achieve in solo blind. What I don’t think a lot of people are understanding is that even if Rengar immediately dies after jumping on me, I am still not being allowed to play the game, which is not fun. Even if we had won, even if he had been 3/30/0, it drained the fun out of the game regardless.
: well adcs main job is to stay near support or like minded people so your enabled to do damage.
Was literally behind an entire team during a fight and all he had to do was walk around lol Doesn’t matter how many champs I have in front or behind me when he can leap from a screen away.
: > [{quoted}](name=Elderwood,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RTLsQZRZ,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T16:18:17.676+0000) > > Apply that logic to why he gets to oneshot me when we are at the same level, with less gold. Glass cannon champion kills Glass cannon champion. This isn't rocket science.
Aka performance didn’t matter because he picked Rengar. Gotcha.
: its to prevent situations where rengar (or other champs who can 1st strike capacity) instant kills you. assassins basically have 1st strike capacity thats all if you nullify that you win. if you 1st strike them you win. control ward to reveal them. if they 1st strike you, then you lose due to that nature.
Seems more like a mechanic that pushes adcs out of the game.
: > [{quoted}](name=Elderwood,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RTLsQZRZ,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-08-22T14:33:18.721+0000) > > Oh and also why is 5/5->6/6 apparently fed on Rengar. Because he still has gold from those 5/6 kills? What kind of stupid logic are you trying to pull now. Just because someone died doesn't mean they are suddenly weaker than you are since they don't lose gold. They only lose the potential XP they could have gained from minions/monsters while alive but that's ONLY if you as a laner died with a bad wave positioned OR the enemy team doesn't take your camps if you're jungle. It's like walking up to someone with 0 kills but acting surprise when they one shot you cause you ignored the fact they have 200+ CS and level advantage at 20 minutes.
Apply that logic to why he gets to oneshot me when we are at the same level, with less gold.
: Maybe you should have purchased armor while facing the all physical team instead of MR But I do agree that Rengar's design (and the design of basically every assassin [though I think many have potential] as they are currently) is bad
AP Galio mid had more gold, damage, and kills than him.
: (Btw I'm not downvoting you I don't believe in downvoting unless the OP really is hardheaded) anyways though at least you know now that if it's a good enough Rengar it's better to build a deadman or your tank item choice to get away from his death leap.
To which I raise the question, why am I forced to give up an item slot to a tank item on Jinx just because of the champion he picked.
: you could build armor early on if hes a problem sacrifice a bit of scaling power for defenses and not those BS offense/defense items like{{item:3026}} they arent real items imo. the fact they have both damage and armor is messed up. you could get hp/armor like deadmans that provides a move boost if you see rengar is getting ahead.
Had I expected 5/5 to mean unstoppably fed on Rengar at the time, I probably would have.
: First: Bush was warded and you were all alone and got caught out. Second: Was way in the back of your group with no one available for you peel you when you got caught out. Third: The only one that could save you had less health then you. so he had no choice but to leave you behind when you got caught out. TL:DR, stop being all by yourself as a squishy when a fed assassin is in the game, especially when you're so far behind already.
Bush was not warded- his ult just gives vision of all nearby enemy champions. Oh and also why is 5/5->6/6 apparently fed on Rengar.
: > [{quoted}](name=Elderwood,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RTLsQZRZ,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T03:47:45.420+0000) > > This is not a personal attack, you can chill lol From my complete sentences, you can see I am in fact chill. I inferred your original intent, made a comment affirming that what happened was suppose to happen, and then preceded to expound upon said instance from your disbelief. I'd work on your positioning. Good day.
From watching nothing but three clips with no words behind them you have critiqued my gameplay, blamed me for your downvotes, and called me aggressive. Sorry that I perceived that as un-chill {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Elderwood,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RTLsQZRZ,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T03:41:43.726+0000) > > Sounds more like you're making assumptions without context :\ Context is clear. What you meant is clear. Going back on what your original intent was doesn't make it any different. Again. Match history showed he won. He did his job. You do you. He did him.
This is not a personal attack, you can chill lol
: > [{quoted}](name=Elderwood,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RTLsQZRZ,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-22T03:27:39.646+0000) > > Legitimately just a video of me getting nuked by Rengar and you immediately take the defensive? lmao Because you come out passive aggressive. It's easy to read the underlying words there. The underlying tone is evident. And I merely stated facts and you laughed as if I was wrong and didn't know what I was talking about. But meh. You do you. He did him. And from the match history from op.gg. He came away with the win.
Sounds more like you're making assumptions without context :\
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: WhyEvenBotherFR is right your positioning is terrible and besides rengar SUCKS when hes behind and unlike most champs he CANT get back into the game. he has TERRIBLE scaling and when hes behind hes gonna stay that way unless he gets a few kills.
Legitimately just a video of me getting nuked by Rengar and you immediately take the defensive? lmao
: > [{quoted}](name=Elderwood,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RTLsQZRZ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T03:13:20.356+0000) > > LOL {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} Doesn't matter how many downvotes you give me. I know I'm right. I don't coddle people for upvotes lol. I tell it like it is. You also have no armor to his 3 lethality items. What else would you like to learn?
I haven't downvoted you at all lmao cringe
: Fed Rengar...Bad positioning on your part. Yep that's normal. Edit: You can downvote me if you want. But: 1. You backed out of range of a turret so easy dive to commit to. 2. When he jumped you didn't even throw chompers down to help you. 3. You were hard shoved mid with only Annie around you in an extended lane which spells come kill me. 4. Was not so much your fault because you were behind your team, just on the opposite side because they were running away but still bad positioning. Shall I elaborate anymore as to why your complaint is unwarranted against a guy who did his job and got fed?
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: It's not that it is what I prefer, its that I understand the design choice for it to be that way. I could care less if she has glasses or not, I don't have the skin, however, I see why they didn't make it a toggle because it is thematic. It would be like allowing you to toggle her horns on or off at will.
Glasses are not a part of her body. Zeronis has her wearing the glasses in his concept art.
Larriet (NA)
: [Source](https://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/client-new-features-feedback/RZjlttHO-pbe-bugs-feedback-thread-trick-or-treat-ekko?comment=0000000000000000), oh ye of little faith. Also, after checking it out on both live and PBE, you're wrong; K/DA Akali has no toggle. The mask is on her recall. :P Nice downvote lol
False information deserves a downvote; I literally just tested Akali in live. Activate shroud to put on her mask and command /g to take it off again. Not sure why you couldn’t even take the minute or two to check it for yourself.
Larriet (NA)
: I want to say that they've officially said that lower-tier skins (specifically Epid [1350] or lower) [ARE NOT supported with toggles](https://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/client-new-features-feedback/RZjlttHO-pbe-bugs-feedback-thread-trick-or-treat-ekko?comment=0000000000000000); they want to reserve it for higher tier skins now. The exception is obviously champions who have a toggle by default, like Aatrox and Pyke. I've seen this corroborated by multiple members of the skins teams, including product managers. It is kind of a shame I guess.
Do you have a source for this? Because they literally just implemented a toggle for K/DA Akali's mask.
: You asked to be "corrected if I am wrong" then get upset because he corrects you and call it arbitrary. You just want to have the glasses toggle on and off at will. That's fine, but they're the thematic choice for her demon shade, it looks fine as is imo. Just like the akali mask glowing is thematic for her shroud.
The comment simply recycled information I have already stated in response to Rylalei with additional wording. Going back and forth over minute details like “her horns being slightly larger in demon shade” is in my opinion, arbitrary. A toggle will literally change nothing about the skin if you do not activate it. The fact that I have to keep bringing that up baffles me.
: No, keep it as is. Even in the video it is shown she has her glasses when she is "prowling" or it is darker, aka her demon shade. Only time it doesn't show this is the end when it goes from normal, to blacklight, to the orange light. During the blacklight she doesn't have glasses, during orange light she does. Point is, keep it as is because it is like her horns. You said some other skins have variation like safecracker always has her mask etc etc. This skin doesn't always need her glasses it is fine that when she demon shades she pops the glasses on. (she should jump in her car! I kid.)
That’s a fine opinion. I would like the glasses on. A toggle option would mean we both get the choice we prefer. You’re suggesting that option should be denied to those who want it simply because it’s not what you prefer.
: > [{quoted}](name=Elderwood,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=IhEA3I43,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-05T19:10:35.005+0000) > > It feels arbitrary to discuss how different her accents between forms are when the bottom line is that they're there. I wanted this to be a discussion for people taking interest in the glasses, not derailing into nitpicking the details compared to her other skins. Even if Evelynn had no other skins to compare to, I would still be asking for this toggle. Details on one skin should not impede the features of another. Yeah, but this isn't nitpicking. This is pointing out that Evelynn has elements visible ONLY in Demon Shade that the glasses fall in line with. The fact that they only pop on in Demon Shade is part of what makes them special.
Even if I were to completely agree with that statement, is saying that some skins have "elements visible only in Demon Shade" really a strong enough reason to deny the option to toggle a pair of glasses on this skin? I understand those of you who feel they are more special when they only appear in Demon Shade; that's fine- you don't have to toggle them, but does it not seem a little ridiculous to assume that seeing someone such as myself wearing the glasses outside of Demon Shade would somehow degrade your perception of the skin? I'd respect your option to not toggle them outside of stealth, just as I hope you'd respect mine to activate them.
: > [{quoted}](name=Elderwood,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=IhEA3I43,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-05T18:16:11.564+0000) > > Very valid point- correct me if I'm wrong but I think her base is the only version to actually gain something that is not already there when outside of stealth; aside from K/DA that is. You are wrong. Nearly every single skin she has additions in demon shade. Her base form has the forehead horns, her Tango has the curled ram horns, Masquerade has the mask, Shadow has the larger bat wing horns (though these can be argued as being the same horns she has in normal mode, except unfurled), Blood Moon has the wilder mane of hair and the horns. About the only skin she has that doesn't have something new is Safecracker, in which her goggles just glow.
It feels arbitrary to discuss how different her accents between forms are when the bottom line is that they're there. I wanted this to be a discussion for people taking interest in the glasses, not derailing into nitpicking the details compared to her other skins. Even if Evelynn had no other skins to compare to, I would still be asking for this toggle. Details on one skin should not impede the features of another.
: > [{quoted}](name=Rylalei,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=IhEA3I43,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-05T18:00:26.832+0000) > > Not all of her skins posses horns in her human form. Tango and Masquerade don't have horns for her human form. Her base also doesn't have horns in human form
Very valid point- correct me if I'm wrong but I think her base is the only version to actually gain something that is not already there when outside of stealth; aside from K/DA that is.
: Not all of her skins posses horns in her human form. Tango and Masquerade don't have horns for her human form.
I said "typically" for a reason; listing skins that don't have literal horns in either form seems somewhat unrelated to this. The standins for her horns on Tango, Masquerade and Safecracker are her flowers, mask, and goggles respectively- which she wears both in and out of Demon Shade, but they glow while stealthed. Just because they aren't horns doesn't mean they don't exist.
: And Akali has been shown in blacklight with a dragon painted on her and fangs on a black mask. There are some theatrical things for the video that aren't present in the game, and for the majority of the time, Evelynn has glasses on when it's implying she's in demon shade. Her demon shade form doesn't have horns or other indications like her other demon shades. The glasses for this specific skin are the only difference between her usual profile and her demon shade profile, so they should remain exclusive to her shade form.
You're using Akali's blacklight markings as an example of something in the video that is not included in the game, yet simultaneously using said video as a reason for why the glasses should not be a toggle. It seems like you're pulling from both sides. Just because something is not currently implemented in the game should not be a reason as to why it can't be. Also, you've essentially equated her horns to the glasses, which I agree with. For this skin they are basically the stand in for her horns. That being said, Evelynn typically has "horns" or some sort of equivalent both in and out of Demon Shade, but they glow while she is in stealth. If she has "horns" in both forms, why should she not be allowed the glasses in both as well; again, assuming that they are replacements for her horns. They clearly glow pink while she is in Demon Shade as can be seen in both the video and live, but are simply dark sunglasses while unstealthed.
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