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That's not what I'm referring to.
I'm saying his E does not solely contribute to doing 50% of a tank's HP as true damage. Hence, the reason of my statement. In other for Yi to do that to a tank, there are several other contributing factors that are needed.
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Rengar with sanguine blade is way too strong.
Rengar has always been an unhealthy champion. Deleting players in 0.63s or less shouldn't be allowed.
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I see you've never took a math course before...
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> Fabulous
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Yare yare daze
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#5) is bad since it counters the economics of the game as well. It's not viable.
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The fuck are you actually on
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this is 3 days ago. stop crying and being bitter
suck it up that i disagreed and cry someone else. It's a forum, not a dick. Don't take it so hard
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> my irrational hatred is people at the gym that arent doing anything:
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> like they're standing around talking for 10 min or sitting on a bench on their phones.
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> Don't know why but it pisses me off.
you're welcome jk
i do that @ the gym but im really sore so i want to rest a bit but be productive
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i support this statement [2]
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Keyword you used: general.
Contingency is based on cases by definition or dependent on.
In not all cases, is rest equivalent to all.
Either way, we already established I don't mean his Q.
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Rest is not contingent with all.
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Never said that though.
Please don't imply things I never said.
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Still a lot of non-Yasuo posts.
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She drops in WR when late-game hits. She's a mid-game champion now due to BORK+Guinsoos. She falls off late-game due to burst ironically.
And as I said, she's one of few ADCs who do not heavily rely on crit to be effective. Thus, she's used with Lucian, Ezreal, and Sivir. However, more often than not she's not the reason people win in the LCS. She's there because there's no better alternative.
Let crit come back in Patch 9.3. It'll be pretty obvious.
BTW, you didn't deny any facts I gave you. You just cried more.
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She's not as good as Sivir/Lucian/Ezreal. Vayne is only doing well because she is one of few ADCs who do not have to use crit which most ADCs suffer from.
Also, still does not disprove why Vayne should not kill tanks without armor penetration which is the point of her kit. The reason Vayne is a late-game hypercarry is that for early and mid-game she's a tank buster. Late-game, as she does not need tank-oriented items, she has damage items to kill squishies too.
Right now, she doesn't due to nerfs and Patch 8.11. She's 9th in WR lategame.
Use facts instead of crying.
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Vayne's kit is designed to melt tanks without armor penetration. that's the point
a champ doing their job? wow
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Completely agree. Riot refuses to address this but it's an imperative and annoying issue.
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Quick Gameplay Thoughts: February 1
Thoughts on the Vayne buff and the data now?
As a Vayne main, I feel she did not need this buff and should get stats that were removed in Patch 8.2.
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- Proceeds to give evidence support my statements and facts
You proceed to remain willingly ignorant and claim you're absolute. I don't get how you think/see you won anything when you didn't even address my claims. Lol.
You can live in your little world though bud.
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- Ghostcrawler literally stared in DevDiaries he was happy to address queue times
- Look at DevCorner
- Search up Queue Times inside the Boards
I just gave you pretty substantial evidence. The comments here show the same repeated comment that it’s your opinion and disagreements if you want to go “I have a mini poll in my domain so i am right.” Again, this mini poll is insignificant statistically. It has no meaning and a statistical bias.
Pro-players like Doubelift state this because they are also a voice for the community such as when they spoke against the ADC changes that gutted them and the games meta.
You say checkmate but don’t know is what it means. Get off your high horse
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LOL - That's actually hilarious
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Her E has clear mechanical counterplay.
You can stay out of an angle towards a wall for her E and block the ability with an item or an ability.
You can CC her or kite out her range.
You can slow her. Slowing a Vayne destroys them.
Her Q+stealth has mechanical counterplay since it requires autos from her to be efficient. Use this knowledge to force her to stay out of stealth. Hard, but effective mechanical counterplay.
Her W has mechanical counterplay since it requires 3 autos to proc. Thus, you can prevent that or shield yourself to play against it. You can also heal yourself. Autos can be reduced through armor+damage significantly.
Vayne's Attack Speed can be reduced through items.
ADCs trade a lot of survivability for auto-attacks which do not have mechanical counterplay. That's the point of ADCs. High DPS machines that you need to mow down.
There are different classes, and ADCs have the least mechanical counterplay but have a lot more contextual and situational counterplay which you're not considering.
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League is about getting countered, strategy, picks, and a lot of macro and micro choices.
It's not shitty gameplay. It's the game.
No champion should be countered by everything and have a way to overcome every weakness.
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Please go play Vayne.
Then come back and tell me after you win 20+ games in a row because she's OP.
Point is:
Vayne's W doesn't need a change. Her kit is fine but I would remove the CD on her ultimate.
Anyways, you won't accept any disagreements because "this specific case and anecdotal etc."
This isn't a debate. This is just you refusing to listen.
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People have and you've been adamant with saying "no - you're wrong" and just giving anecdotals.
There's no point in arguing. You won't consider anything else that disagrees with you.
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That champion would be balanced. One auto, one attack, one minion kills him. He'd be weaker than anyone even if he one shot you with that ability.
You can't compare Vayne to such an extreme and the above completely disproves your point because then X champ wouldnt be overbearing. They would be weak.
BTW, Vayne gets destroyed by Caitlyn. She literally cannot fight her. Only thing stopping Caitlyn in this meta is Patch 8.11. Irelia cannot do anything to Tryndamere. Karthus cannot do anything to Talon. Jinx cannot do anything to Rengar.
Your point some champions cannot do anything to Vayne is invalid since there are things called counters which League needs and purposely added.
If Vayne is terribly designed, then that's at least 40+ champions that need to be completely reworked by your logic. There's a reason Riot added Kai'Sa based off her kit.
She isn't polarizing in the least. Usually, she's mediocre or sitting at 49%-50%. And she has for a long time in between seasons.
You're giving anecdotals. "This event and that event" but providing no evidence. No average cases. No consistency. And that's not enough.
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Her stun's displacement isn't as crippling as a wither. Wither is a point-and-click 95% slow. That's almost a stun. Her E is way weaker than Nasus's W.
Her E is conditional and wall-based. It has clear counterplay.
Yasuo does not have a hard time with her nor Jax. All dueling based champions are a skill-based match-up with her and Yasuo/Jax are one of several hard champions for Vayne to deal with.
The point is Vayne's W doesn't need a change. It's fine.
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So you say "range" and lack of mobility as excuses and his Q goes right through an ADC with an armor item when he also has his W, movement speed, and R.
And when I say Vayne is squishy, an ADC with little health or resitances, less CC than Nasus, no debuffs, and an enemy-dependent movement steroid - apparently Vayne bypasses all these restrictions because "no - she's op".
I can't take this seriously.
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Vayne isn't stronger than back then.
That deserves a "how the fuck". She doesn't hit late-game in 10 minutes, hits 3 items in 15, and has a 60% WR in any elo. Back then she did.
Nasus has his W by the way. It's not conditional. I can literally complain about that. His E is not conditional. His Q is not conditional. His R is just a button that buffs him up.
Is his Q conditional? no, he can use it freely. not tied to enemy or allied units.
is his w conditional? no, its just a point and click lmao with larger range than Vayne's
what about his e? no, because it's point and click and larger than vayne's range
what about his ult? well thats just a button that beefs up the rest of his kit. no conditions here.
does he have any noticable cooldowns, which create windows of vulnerability? Press R to win. nope not really.
See, what I did there?
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Yikes.
Patch 8.1 Vayne. That's some bias right there man. Everyone knew she was OP then and she got hit HARD in 8.2, resulting in her late-game getting gutted. (Fun Fact: She hit 14th place late-game pre-buff)
Outside, of that, more than on average - yes. Vayne sucks at teamfights and isn't picked in team. That one case doesn't validate your stance that Vayne excels everywhere.
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In the context of the game, her range is mediocre.
Add mages too then which have abilities that extend outside Vayne's range. Even Yasuo's tornado goes outside Vayne's range, and Vi's ultimate, and Nocturne's, and Jax Q, and I can keep going on...
Your problem is her damage and max health % true damage. You're literally angry it takes her 10-20 hits to kill a tank with or without Guinsoos.
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It's been proven because:
- Riot said so themselves
- It's known that the East prefers lower queue times
- It's been mentioned in pro-play
- It's been mentioned as a goal in Riot's updates frequently at times
- Even in the West, many have complained about queue times as well
My "know" is based on supported evidence that I gave.
Yes, it's your opinion but it's hypocritical when you complain when someone criticizes it on a public forum. What did you expect? The point of a forum is for discussion upon disagreements, and that's what I also gave: an opinion.
Except, in my case, I gave evidence to support my statement rather than immediately retort to insults.
Also, just look at the comments. There's already people repeating the same thing I said.
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- Vayne's W passive is conditional on the basis of her range and context of other champions
The line above states the power of her W directly stems from the champions in the game and other players. She has to risk to be in range of abilities and melee attacks to get her W off, thus her range is her primary weakness.
Also, what's the point of an ADC if they can't deal high damage?
The other three points that you dismissed, I'll leave with this. It's really easy to see how that will gut her as a champion and make her useless. It's a direct nerf. Not an alternative.
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