: > [{quoted}](name=Enfys Ellezard,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=0002000200000002000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-08T08:07:55.221+0000) > > Run in straight line and away from wall. > > No stun now. Poppy doesn't even need a stun. She just need to E vayne once to get in range and Q hit. > > You do know that E+ full AD Q with ult is pretty much enough to 100-0 the carry, right? I'm not sure u read my post well, If poppy uses her 'e', and vayne uses her stun, poppy and vayne's stun both go on cooldown, but poppy is melee and vayne is ranged. Thus the advantage lies with vayne.
> [{quoted}](name=Ser Safir,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=00020002000000020000000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-08T08:10:16.229+0000) > > I'm not sure u read my post well, If poppy uses her 'e', and vayne uses her stun, poppy and vayne's stun both go on cooldown, but poppy is melee and vayne is ranged. Thus the advantage lies with vayne. {{item:3102}} Both of the BV are now down. (Assuming vayne got one to deal with the initial drag-kb stun, if not, screwed) But Poppy is in yo face.
Se7h (NA)
: High Elo ADC's I Need Advice
Utility ADC. There But you have to change the from "I can charge and in and hit people to death" to "How will I abuse my utility?" instead though. There's a reason why Ashe and Kalista are so popular atm with Sivir for her ult + safe early. Hell, most of the time, Sivir is picked for her ult.
: > [{quoted}](name=Enfys Ellezard,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=00020002000000020000,timestamp=2015-06-08T07:59:58.515+0000) > > {{item:3364}} > W gives 25% MS. even then if the vayne shoots her stun as poppy goes for hers, we both know the vayne wins.
> [{quoted}](name=Ser Safir,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=000200020000000200000000,timestamp=2015-06-08T08:06:50.832+0000) > > even then if the vayne shoots her stun as poppy goes for hers, we both know the vayne wins. Run in straight line and away from wall. Has more MS than Vayne with TF + W anyway to catch up to her. No stun now. Poppy doesn't even need a stun. She just need to E vayne once to get in range and Q hit. You do know that E+ full AD Q + crit with ult is pretty much enough to 100-0 the carry, right?
: > [{quoted}](name=Enfys Ellezard,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-06-08T08:02:39.818+0000) > > If you want a really valid "Shits on Poppy pick" > > {{champion:13}} > > Perma snare W that also interrupt E dash so Poppy will never get to hit him. > > Have fun with that. > > Actually, that shits on everyone. That aint even fair.
> [{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2015-06-08T08:03:56.729+0000) > > That aint even fair. When was the last time Ryze was fair to play against? Oh yeah, when he actually had an actual weak early to hyperstate late before the last stupid ass overbuffs.
: Can poppy 1v1 warwick at full build?
If you want a really valid "Shits on Poppy pick" {{champion:13}} Perma snare W that also interrupt E dash so Poppy will never get to hit him. Have fun with that. Actually, that shits on everyone.
: > [{quoted}](name=Easyaeta,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=000200020000,timestamp=2015-06-08T07:43:09.008+0000) > > If she gets wall slammed she gets 1 shot First of all, fucking blacklist me. I dont like you and hope not to see u in my notifications anymore. Second, it' more likely she'll outrun+invis then allow poppy to kill her. Lastly, in the event that poppy focused her, and if it's 1v1, vayne can simply stun her along walls too...
> [{quoted}](name=Ser Safir,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=0002000200000002,timestamp=2015-06-08T07:58:39.594+0000) > > First of all, fucking blacklist me. > > Second,** it' more likely she'll outrun**+**invis **then allow poppy to kill her {{item:3364}} W gives 25% MS.
: Y'all complaining about Ekko's ult doing too much damage
THe later half require a flash most of the time to be pulled off with ease though.
: > [{quoted}](name=Enfys Ellezard,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-06-08T07:46:35.786+0000) > > Vayne true damage usually only account for 25% of her damage though. She needs about 12 hits in to really kill Poppy. > > But a single crit hit from Poppy Q is enough to destroy Vayne so the odd is kinda against Vayne. Tbh if she has banshee's she could easily win the fight. Extremely skill based though imo.
> [{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2015-06-08T07:47:58.761+0000) > > Tbh if she has banshee's she could easily win the fight. Extremely skill based though imo. Pretty much. Unless somehow Gunblade can pop a BV but that would be dumb as hell to see a poppy pull a gunblade in the middle of a charge. or BotrK Not sure if they really pop BV or not since I rarely play ads.
: Can poppy 1v1 warwick at full build?
Vayne true damage usually only account for 25% of her damage though. She needs about 12 hits in to really kill Poppy. But a single crit hit from Poppy Q is enough to destroy Vayne so the odd is kinda against Vayne.
: > [{quoted}](name=Enfys Ellezard,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=00020000000100010000,timestamp=2015-06-08T07:39:08.991+0000) > > Is this under the assumption that they both just AA each other to death with ability when off-cd? > > Because the certain AD Poppy I usually see dominating often does the Hit-and-run if required with the free MS unless it's a sure win AA trade because her Q is that op. Chase too much = get E'd into a wall but if you don't chase, she comes back with her Q off CD and MS advantage. I've actually tried it with multiple builds. Poppy just gets crushed, end of story.
> [{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=000200000001000100000000,timestamp=2015-06-08T07:41:03.501+0000) > > I've actually tried it with multiple builds. Poppy just gets crushed, end of story. Tbh, I kinda stop trusting NA story because they are always behind and wrong.
: > [{quoted}](name=Enfys Ellezard,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2015-06-08T07:26:49.903+0000) > > If Nasus is on the list then so should we Veigar since he probably has like 5k stack ready to be able to go through that passive. > > And Jax only beats Poppy if we assume they just smack each other nonstop with Poppy trying to AA while counter strike is up. If all she does is run abit until it runs out, endure some damage and proceed to smack the shit out of Jax, Jax WILL die. Doesn't even need wall stun. Nasus isn't on the list because he infinitely scales. He's on the list because of the combination of a fair amount of dot damage (which goes through her passive) and wither which completely shuts down her damage output. Jax just straight-up does a lot more damage than poppy with items. Hell, glass cannon hybrid jax might even be the best build for him in this situation because he'd get a fuckload of both resists from his ult. In any case, his damage is higher: either he builds damage and does a lot more damage than her, or he builds normally and does pretty similar damage while being very hard to kill.
> [{quoted}](name=Domo Ahrigato,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=0002000000010001,timestamp=2015-06-08T07:34:16.394+0000) > > Nasus isn't on the list because he infinitely scales. He's on the list because of the combination of a fair amount of dot damage (which goes through her passive) and wither which completely shuts down her damage output. > > Jax just straight-up does a lot more damage than poppy with items. Hell, glass cannon hybrid jax might even be the best build for him in this situation because he'd get a fuckload of both resists from his ult. In any case, his damage is higher: either he builds damage and does a lot more damage than her, or he builds normally and does pretty similar damage while being very hard to kill. Is this under the assumption that they both just AA each other to death with ability when off-cd? Because the certain AD Poppy I usually see dominating often does the Hit-and-run if required with the free MS unless it's a sure win AA trade because her Q is that op. Chase too much = get E'd into a wall but if you don't chase, she comes back with her Q off CD and MS advantage.
: > [{quoted}](name=Enfys Ellezard,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-06-08T07:01:02.627+0000) > > Who exactly can't full AD Poppy not 1 v 1? She has the tankiness of a tank with that passive + w while dealing above ADC-tier damage Honestly, an equally farmed Nasus will be hell for her. Attack speed slow and a bunch of his damage is dot. AD Poppy is arguably the best lategame champion who exists, but that's not because of her ability to duel it's because of her ability to be literally immune to four people while killing them. There are plenty of champs who she can't beat in a 1v1.
> [{quoted}](name=Domo Ahrigato,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2015-06-08T07:27:43.028+0000) > > Honestly, an equally farmed Nasus will be hell for her. Attack speed slow and a bunch of his damage is dot. AD Poppy is arguably the best lategame champion who exists, but that's not because of her ability to duel it's because of her ability to be literally immune to four people while killing them. There are plenty of champs who she can't beat in a 1v1. Nasus' wither is meh if she just get Merc (Which she likely will cause we're assuming full build 1 v 1) And the thing is, she's dealing hugeass magic damage AND physical at the same time thanks to how her Q works. That's the biggest advantage. Nasus has to deal with Poppy having like 150 armor + passive thanks to her W and high base stat which greatly reduce his damage while Poppy is dealing major damage on both magic and physical especially with the ult added.
: > [{quoted}](name=Enfys Ellezard,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-06-08T07:01:02.627+0000) > > Who exactly can't full AD Poppy not 1 v 1? Jax, Kayle, Nasus, Irelia. Just to name a few.
> [{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=0fBA3iiE,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-06-08T07:15:23.597+0000) > > Jax, Kayle, Nasus, Irelia. > > Just to name a few. If Nasus is on the list then so should we Veigar since he probably has like 5k stack ready to be able to go through that passive. And Jax only beats Poppy if we assume they just smack each other nonstop with Poppy trying to AA while counter strike is up. If all she does is run abit until it runs out, endure some damage and proceed to smack the shit out of Jax, Jax WILL die. Doesn't even need wall stun.
Atuko (NA)
: wow I'm LeBlanc
Beside the ult, what broke her even more is distortion CD starting on cast, not on blinking back or circle disappearing. IT's the same buff that broke Janna and current caster Varus. Like, really, if you chase her and she doesn't blink back, she can W again in 2 seconds. If you do chase her, she can just blink back and only has to wait 3 to 4 seconds before she can distortion again. You have no option to chase her alone because she can distortion again with almost no CD, blink back and run away or even turn around and chain-kill you.
: Can poppy 1v1 warwick at full build?
Who exactly can't full AD Poppy not 1 v 1? She has the tankiness of a tank with that passive + w while dealing above ADC-tier damage
: > [{quoted}](name=Enfys Ellezard,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=f2J8vsvX,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-06-08T05:55:06.151+0000) > > There's a reason why RoA is so OP on him. > > If he doesn't die in one full combo, he ults back and you just wasted everything on him. and if you get unlucky he might happen to have his clone on top of one or two of your teammates and they die instantly while he heals back up to full health :^)
> [{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=f2J8vsvX,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-06-08T05:56:03.550+0000) > > and if you get unlucky he might happen to have his clone on top of one or two of your teammates and they die instantly while he heals back up to full health :^) Or if went into a fog of war so you can't see the clone.
: If Ekko gets all of that damage, utility, and mobility
There's a reason why RoA is so OP on him. If he doesn't die in one full combo, he ults back and you just wasted everything on him.
: Puzzle & Dragons should just be called Puzzle & Waifus...
: All the Bronze and Silver people are trying Ryze top in Ranked....
Button mash with passive on takes no skill though.
: Attention: Sivir is getting olafd in the PBE
Her strength in her laning phase and wave clear are still top tier. THey're just nerfing her bs utility. She won't be anywhere near dead with this nerfs.
Rioter Comments
: Does Soraka mid work?
Soraka mid is a very strong pick in the current caster + tank meta where they don't really have the damage to 100-0 right away. She can ruin assassins mid life while also preventing certain picks like LB from really making plays. Like, really, Soraka mid shits on LB lane so hard it's fun to play one against a LB pick. LB can't even distort in to harass you because you have that E and if you're not playing at 150 pings, you can easily drop it on the LB after her W and it prevents her from blinking back. Plus, your Q overall base damage is so much higher than LB early game and your ult + W passive on Q can easily sustain you back and deal with her attempt to 100-0. That and "LIVEEEEE!" is a major cock block for global control. Problem though is that Soraka mid is more of a teamcomp pick. Best not pick her into a yolo queue game where you need kills to carry the game since she's a 100% utility mid but if you're playing with a cooridinated team in a 5 v 5, she's a very strong pick because having people shouting "WISH! WISH!" when they're going in to give you an assist or when they're getting ganked is much easier than having to oversee the whole map yourself.
: What if spooky ghosts gave 20% CDR?
Actually. Perma buy Grab the ghost item Grab the utility passive Spam it to your heart content because of the return CD reduction. Never get ganked.
: What if spooky ghosts gave 20% CDR?
Oh great, it's like buying Morello But with more stat And has an active instead of GW. 3-4 in every game.
bunies (NA)
: does anyone else think junglers have too much influence on the game ?
Jungle is one of the best role to lock and carry for a reason.
: its amazing..
"I deal more damage combined than everyone" Well, no shit if you keep jumping into every possible fight then you will do more damage combined they all do. Want the highest number possible? Go top lane with something like Vlad vs another bruiser capable of healing. AoE the whole team later. Watch the amount of total damage combined on both top without death.
: "Full AP Zac isn't a very good idea."
Zac AP is good but the thing making it shit is that the damn slime always drop in front of your enemy if you're a top lane so if they get spectral cowl, you're actually losing more health than they do for trying to Q them. Different story if you're a jungler though.
: Thornmail is a completely r%%%%%ed item
I love it when the enemy get thornmail to counter the ADC Cause I'm an AP mid so they're losing a slot that can be used to increase health and mr.
: Why would they buff Shen LOL
That was before every freaking top has Teleport. Shen had a really huge advantage from that global control. I rather have a Shen ult someone than to having to deal with an Irelia teleporting in, insta Q a caster and get to me anyway.
: Hotfix Ryze please
They like it when Hypercarry has super strong early and mid.
: Playing top lane is so fun !
{{champion:16}} As long as the other side isn't Irelia, easy cancer win with wish assist for easy money. And {{champion:30}} God thing he isn't fotm anymore so I can play him.
Everborn (NA)
: Put players names on wards??
"Who the fuck placed the ward right outside this brush? DUMBASS"
: > [{quoted}](name=Enfys Ellezard,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=0008000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-05T04:39:50.054+0000) > > Zigg and Xerath can be a problem though but you have the advantage of them not really knowing your exact range and stuffs thanks to your low pick rate. They will just assume "IT's medium" You deal with Ziggs and Xer as anyone else does. You just dodge his shit and try to clear the wave as hard as they do. You won't, but you can try. Xer can be stunned if he goes for a greedy full Q on an approaching wave while ziggs can be stunned because his Q has relatively short range in comparison to Xerath. Don't sit in the minions and make them choose whether to go for cs or to harass you. Farm with your Q range and play like normal.
> [{quoted}](name=Theorchero,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=00080000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-05T04:52:27.403+0000) > > You deal with Ziggs and Xer as anyone else does. You just dodge his shit and try to clear the wave as hard as they do. You won't, but you can try. > > Xer can be stunned if he goes for a greedy full Q on an approaching wave while ziggs can be stunned because his Q has relatively short range in comparison to Xerath. Don't sit in the minions and make them choose whether to go for cs or to harass you. Farm with your Q range and play like normal. Zigg is easy especially early game. He has to use his AA To dominate early and mid phase cause of his bullshit Q mana costs thanks to the nerfs. So many chances to trap him with wall. Same goes to Xerath and late game, you can always just flash r ignite for a 100-0. That and your flash wall is a hard engage.
: > [{quoted}](name=Enfys Ellezard,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=00080000000000010000,timestamp=2015-06-05T04:18:29.147+0000) > > Only Fizzuke actually really counter him. > > Picks like > > Akali can't kick her way out of stunwall. > LB is only troublesome 1-5. After some mana regen item, you can even waste mana casting wall first before you farm with infinite mana. > Zigg can't bouncing bomb out of his wall anymore. > > Diana won't really get to play early game if you just ask for a jungle and wall her cause she's melee. > Annie and Veigar just full burst each other but the new Q gave him some range to farm from safety. > > And most ,he can farm against anyway and have 300 AP above them at 20 minutes. Only picks like Ryze won't really get 100-0. Nah, a good any of those champions will be able to easily outplay Veigar's now more difficult to use stun. Picks like LB and Ziggs will get rekt if Veigar catches them out because he's still one of the bustiest champions in the game VS AP's, sure. The problem lies in his lack of safety because of his shitty E delay, so picks like Annie or LB with their instant damage combos (in Annie's case also a stun, wtf Riot?) can completely stomp Veigar and get ahead easily. Ziggs tends to sit back and farm a lot similar to Xerath and **will** outrange Veigar unless you find a way to catch him out.
> [{quoted}](name=Coolio206,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=000800000000000100000000,timestamp=2015-06-05T04:28:53.315+0000) > > Nah, a good any of those champions will be able to easily outplay Veigar's now more difficult to use stun. > > Picks like LB and Ziggs will get rekt if Veigar catches them out because he's still one of the bustiest champions in the game VS AP's, sure. > > The problem lies in his lack of safety because of his shitty E delay, so picks like Annie or LB with their instant damage combos (in Annie's case also a stun, wtf Riot?) can completely stomp Veigar and get ahead easily. > > Ziggs tends to sit back and farm a lot similar to Xerath and **will** outrange Veigar unless you find a way to catch him out. You're right about the stun though, but that's only if you rely on it. I use to fall in that trap. After 17 minutes in, I missed so many kills on this LB who actually chain cheese me in lane once and forced me to passive farm for a long time to catch up and even waste wall to protect myself to farm and miss out on like 15% of the AP I would have gotten by 20. Finally, I got sick and tired of this LB who would jump on to me and try to kill me. "Fuck this bitch" I QR ignite her and flash away with wall around her that I whiffed. She died from just that. "WTF ALL I NEED IS A QR IGNITE?" And on that day, I learned. "I don't need to full combo them anymore if they don't have 80 mr after 17 minutes in if I can farm a bit close to my usual rate. Just Q R ignite and run away. No Ignite if I already have Rabby done" It made dealing with picks like LB and other burst picks so much easier because I no longer need to rely on E and W which held me back from just erasing them. Zigg and Xerath can be a problem though but you have the advantage of them not really knowing your exact range and stuffs thanks to your low pick rate. They will just assume "IT's medium"
: > [{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2015-06-05T04:02:52.588+0000) > > ~ {{champion:105}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:1}} All counter Veigar. The only thing good about picking Veigar into them is getting bonus damage on your ult if you get to use it on them.
> [{quoted}](name=Coolio206,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=0008000000000001,timestamp=2015-06-05T04:08:02.217+0000) > > {{champion:105}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:1}} > > All counter Veigar. The only thing good about picking Veigar into them is getting bonus damage on your ult if you get to use it on them. Only Fizzuke actually really counter him. Picks like Akali can't kick her way out of stunwall. LB is only troublesome 1-5. After some mana regen item, you can even waste mana casting wall first before you farm with infinite mana. Zigg can't bouncing bomb out of his wall anymore. Diana won't really get to play early game if you just ask for a jungle and wall her cause she's melee. Annie and Veigar just full burst each other but the new Q gave him some range to farm from safety. And most ,he can farm against anyway and have 300 AP above them at 20 minutes. Only picks like Ryze won't really get 100-0.
: Friendly reminder that Aegis build path sucks major dick
Bleediss (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ChickenWrap,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=n1iRVVR8,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-06-05T03:57:15.154+0000) > > Step 1) Get briefcase > Step 2) Give it all to the other family out of the "goodness of your heart" > Step 3) Become famous as "That guy who gave all his money away to the other family in need" > Step 4) Watch as fame and money come your way for "being selfless" > > Bonus points if someone makes a GoFundMe to help you out since they saw you on TV being "an amazing person". > > It's all about the mind games. nobody gives a shit about these poor families tbh
"Reality drama" Most of them are scripted anyway.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ser Safir,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2015-06-05T03:56:47.974+0000) > > The other team could just not walk in a pentagon formation. > > Or you could pick an ad mid into him. AP Mids: {{champion:103}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:1}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:42}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:28}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:30}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:26}} {{champion:143}} {{champion:101}} AD Mids: {{champion:81}} {{champion:42}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:59}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:133}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:80}} And I'm being generous. Not to mention that picking an AD mid can easily throw your teamcomp into shit.
> [{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2015-06-05T04:02:52.588+0000) > > AP Mids: > > {{champion:103}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:1}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:42}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:28}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:30}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:26}} {{champion:143}} {{champion:101}} > > AD Mids: > > {{champion:81}} {{champion:42}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:59}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:133}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:80}} > > And I'm being generous. Not to mention that picking an AD mid can easily throw your teamcomp into shit. Most of the AD mid there can't even be picked in the current state too. Plus, it's not even a hard counter. THe only AD mid I hate when I lock Veigar atm is Zed cause he can manaless push and harass me to death with a built-in flash that can go through my wall. THe other dies if they get in within 600 range. They can't escape a jungle gank without a flash other than Ezreal in that list.
: > [{quoted}](name=Enfys Ellezard,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2015-06-05T03:58:24.154+0000) > > They did and somehow miraculously go OOM and bronzies can't skill shot for a living. > > Hell, the average cs in bronze is probably 50 after 20 minutes. That's probably why Veigar is meh there. THey can't farm. How do you go OOM with a free {{item:3028}} passive. Fuckin' kek. Bronzies crying about Veigar again, just leave him alone already.
> [{quoted}](name=Coolio206,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2015-06-05T04:00:14.185+0000) > > How do you go OOM with a free {{item:3028}} passive. Fuckin' kek. Bronzies crying about Veigar again, just leave him alone already. Even better than Chalice passive. Cause it's the old fucking one. THE VIABLE AT ALL STAGE OF THE GAME ONE.
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: MFW complaining about my ability to harass from longer distance and get 2 AP per Q cast. Try actually playing Veigar you bronzie. Do you even harass while gaining AP from minions along the way? http://i.imgur.com/WVv6UHa.png
> [{quoted}](name=Coolio206,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2015-06-05T03:57:23.846+0000) > > MFW complaining about my ability to harass from longer distance and get 2 AP per Q cast. > > Try actually playing Veigar you bronzie. > > http://i.imgur.com/WVv6UHa.png They did and somehow miraculously go OOM and bronzies can't skill shot for a living. Hell, the average cs in bronze is probably 50 after 20 minutes. That's probably why Veigar is meh there. THey can't farm. Someone of them even level W early cause "LOLAOEFARM"
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Enfys Ellezard,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2015-06-05T03:48:55.477+0000) > > I mentioned before, 200 AP from Q bonus is my average now with Veigar since you can easily do a double Q kill starting at level 1 if you know how to aggro manage and force AA in between so a Q will kill 2 at level 1, this is why the CDR was raised. > > At level 5, if you didn't die in lane and farmed properly, a WQ can 100-0 melee minions. Level 7 with some AP item can 100-0 the backline so that's a guaranteed 5 ap every wave (W front and Q For 900 range farm to a Q clear the caster) > > Rush Morello. Get the 100% Mana regen CDR item first. I don't get why people complain about Veigar mana cost. Double doran (damn mastery regen nerf forced me to get another doran) + Morello gives me enough mana to Q farm every wave afterward with CDR scaling glyph. > > His current meta actually supports him. Azir, Cass are weak to him. LB beats him at 1 to 4 but if you can avoid the level 3 chain cheese, you will outfarm and QR insta100-0 her while she is in her W traveling speed which is getting nerfed. > > And heck, I'm happy my wall can stop gragas now. Old one, if you have merc trend and dashes through, even the team will have trouble catching up since 50-60% of the stun duration will be wasted on the dash traveling time. Now, it's an insta flash or ggwp caught initiate. Wouldn't know, I don't play Veigar enough, this is just speculcation, I can see why they wanted to change him, but I'm not sure if he is better, worst, or different.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=0001000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-05T03:50:24.055+0000) > > Wouldn't know, I don't play Veigar enough, this is just speculcation, I can see why they wanted to change him, but I'm not sure if he is better, worst, or different. He's better because his utility is actually stronger in a different way. Old one can be instastunned if you get in range but the current one, even if you fail it, the trapping is a lot more reliable because you can't dash/leap out of it anymore. His farming is at least 5x better with multi-hit Q. His passive is stronger due to the mana regen nerfs, giving him the highest and most reliable mana sustain in the lane especially with blue duration reduction. I don't get why people go OOM with him if Double doran forbidden idol is infinite mana on him. But the thing is, everyone is stuck with the same "ERMAHGERD VEIGAR CAN FULL COMBO POINT AND CLICK 100-0 ME IF I MESS UP" and LBR, this is NA. They barely discover anything new. Ryze was already picked in China tourny before the buffs while NA still crying for buffs.
: > [{quoted}](name=Enfys Ellezard,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2015-06-05T03:39:55.299+0000) > > He's a farm champion. Veigar is not a farm champion. He'll get maybe 30-40 ap in 10 mins if he's good and even then he'll have automatically lost his lane because he ran out of mana and can't harass his lane opponent worth a damn. > [{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-06-05T03:44:48.083+0000) > > Good. Why is this good? Now you'll get less veigar and more Zed and Annie etc.
> [{quoted}](name=Ser Safir,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2015-06-05T03:46:52.023+0000) > > Veigar is not a farm champion. He'll get maybe 30-40 ap in 10 mins if he's good and even then he'll have automatically lost his lane because he ran out of mana and can't harass his lane opponent worth a damn. He doesn't go oom. How do you even go oom with Veigar with 1 or 2 Doran to a Forbidden idol rush? DOn't tell me you're using his W before level 5.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RexSaur,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2015-06-05T03:37:04.413+0000) > > His Q was nerfed, now veigar has no reliable spell outside of his short range ult and his laning phase is now nasus level, except nasus is also a tank and can 3 shot ur towers and has a point and click super exhaust. > > Veigar is pretty much complete garbage out of low elo (where anything is good anyway), but ppl are fine with it because its veigar, nobody cares about veigar. > > Now if the same thing happened with thresh, lee sin or zed the thing wouldnt even have gone live as riot would just revert it after the 20 threads complaining about it on reddit because those are the most balanced champs in the game and they take very high amounts of ''skill''. I don't think he is useless, just the current meta doesn't fit him. He is too squishy and games are all about go not giving him time to ramp up. I don't see why they increased the CD of his Q though, really don't, I don't have all the numbers.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=00010000000000010000,timestamp=2015-06-05T03:42:57.042+0000) > > I don't think he is useless, just the current meta doesn't fit him. He is too squishy and games are all about go not giving him time to ramp up. I don't see why they increased the CD of his Q though, really don't, I don't have all the numbers. I mentioned before, 200 AP from Q bonus is my average now with Veigar since you can easily do a double Q kill starting at level 1 if you know how to aggro manage and force AA in between so a Q will kill 2 at level 1, this is why the CDR was raised. At level 5, if you didn't die in lane and farmed properly, a WQ can 100-0 melee minions. Level 7 with some AP item can 100-0 the backline so that's a guaranteed 5 ap every wave (W front and Q For 900 range farm to a Q clear the caster) Rush Morello. Get the 100% Mana regen CDR item first. I don't get why people complain about Veigar mana cost. Double doran (damn mastery regen nerf forced me to get another doran) + Morello gives me enough mana to Q farm every wave afterward with CDR scaling glyph. His current meta actually supports him. Azir, Cass are weak to him. LB beats him at 1 to 4 but if you can avoid the level 3 chain cheese, you will outfarm and QR insta100-0 her while she is in her W traveling speed which is getting nerfed. And heck, I'm happy my wall can stop gragas now. Old one, if you have merc trend and dashes through, even the team will have trouble catching up since 50-60% of the stun duration will be wasted on the dash traveling time. Now, it's an insta flash or ggwp caught initiate.
: > [{quoted}](name=Enfys Ellezard,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-06-05T03:25:01.321+0000) > > Keep thinking he's weak. > > Keep doing it. > > I would love more buffs so I can have 800 AP by 20 with an early cdr change instead of 600. I don't like pressing 2 button to melt someone cause I know how to skillshot. Well, Dabox, challenger veigar main, says he says Veigar's reliability is all gone, and his burst potential is severely nerfed. Good veigar's didn't sit arount farming, they'd only tap the q to get an otherwise lost cs. It seems dabox isn't streaming anymore, and he's not playing veigar anymore. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/22826752#matches
> [{quoted}](name=Ser Safir,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=MPTMxgyd,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-06-05T03:28:45.685+0000) > > Well, Dabox, challenger veigar main, says he says Veigar's reliability is all gone, and his burst potential is severely nerfed. > > Good veigar's didn't sit arount farming, they'd only tap the q to get an otherwise lost cs. > > It seems dabox isn't streaming anymore, and he's not playing veigar anymore. > > http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/22826752#matches Veigar isn't played in the highest scene? Well, damn, I guess 90% of the picks are unplayable then. Challengers games snowballing can force a surrender by 15 with "Just push mid". **That scene is completely different from that in plat, dia and maybe even mast.** Don't try to get into a pro mindset. We're not pro. **Accept that and you will see how a lot of champs are actually viable in the current state of the game.** **And the playstyle is completely different now. **Old Veigar can barely get 2 AP per wave so they just go for the kill. New Veigar can easily last hit all of it with some CDR and go for 6-8 ap per wave.A farmed Veigar can 100-0 everyone but tank that will live with about 30% health. No matter how hard I try with old Veigar as a farm player, I can never earn as much AP as I can today where I just go 600 AP by 20 and QR to melt mid instead of having to full EWRQ combo. EWRQ if they get MR 100-0 is better than before since they actually die now. He's so much more fun and better if you can adapt.
: You steal my Eve
Moewick is kawaii.
: Why is everyone ok with the removal of Veigar from the game?
Keep thinking he's weak. Keep doing it. I would love more buffs so I can have 800 AP by 20 with an early cdr change instead of 600. I don't like pressing 2 buttons to melt someone cause I know how to skillshot.
RexSaur (NA)
: Ryze is 1 level behind, this should be an easy win-
I have no idea why the fuck they thought giving him his hypercarry status at level 6 with maxed passive and ult duration instead of at 16 is a smart idea. LEague can't make hypercarry for shit. The only one with actual weak early stage atm is Poopy. Everyone else keep getting early game gifted to be a "aarry at all stage and transition into a hyper after level 11" type.
: Take everything Cleanse does, remove it, and add it to Ghost
Imagine if heal also gives movement speed! Oh wait.
: > [{quoted}](name=Nuparu,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=HfeUdp69,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-06-05T02:10:19.543+0000) > > League started F2P as well. > > League of Legends inferior to DOTA 1 confirmed. League of Legends costs SKILL to play. Soit is not free to play. Look at the lower elo, they aren't actually playing.
> [{quoted}](name=Neurosurgeonwolf,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=HfeUdp69,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-06-05T02:11:27.538+0000) > > League of Legends costs SKILL to play. > Technically correct since some champs leave me braindead and unable to play anything harder.
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