: the last champ that was "great" really depends on what you mean by that lore wise there are many many champions of the last 10 or so that are very deep and add a lot to the runeterra story gameplay? yuumi is interesting, pyke was prety fun, kaisa, zoe, xayah and rakkan... they are all really nice and frankly have features that on paper set them into their own little space. (this is purely just looking at how their abilities work in terms of release mechanics and not ratios and number or like in rakans case he cant e r flash q anymore and that used to be hella fun) and you say "balancing" as one of your reasons but i personally think no champion is ever truly balanced... they can do what they like with them but with runes/masteries and items its nearly impossible to balance anything with anything especially how riot does it
> [{quoted}](name=I Like Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kzPEvcKT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-19T02:55:18.594+0000) > > the last champ that was "great" really depends on what you mean by that > > lore wise there are many many champions of the last 10 or so that are very deep and add a lot to the runeterra story > > gameplay? yuumi is interesting, pyke was prety fun, kaisa, zoe, xayah and rakkan... they are all really nice and frankly have features that on paper set them into their own little space. > (this is purely just looking at how their abilities work in terms of release mechanics and not ratios and number or like in rakans case he cant e r flash q anymore and that used to be hella fun) > > and you say "balancing" as one of your reasons but i personally think no champion is ever truly balanced... they can do what they like with them but with runes/masteries and items its nearly impossible to balance anything with anything especially how riot does it Every champion you have named has been plaguing the game since their release. So on the contrary they are just bad designs with overloaded kits. That is not even close to qualifying as great.
: i do agree, but i think warwick rework was the best thing riot has ever done, he was ehh before rework, then he got rework and was fun and unique, and not broken, vel is fun and cool and fair, but wait they gunna give him 6 dashes xD
> [{quoted}](name=TheBrothersGrymm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kzPEvcKT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-19T02:13:28.063+0000) > > i do agree, but i think warwick rework was the best thing riot has ever done, he was ehh before rework, then he got rework and was fun and unique, and not broken, vel is fun and cool and fair, but wait they gunna give him 6 dashes xD Lol dashes op man. He'll be a roided out ahri at that point.
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: I think he's referring to the game when he went 2/11 as a support gnar who started spellthiefs and Janna just pressed W on him All your posts consist of balance whining about champions that you lose games to have you ever thought of the CRAZY idea that you might not understand them and are failing to counter?
> [{quoted}](name=Fate Decides,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=L80Yd4sM,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-16T23:47:31.532+0000) > > I think he's referring to the game when he went 2/11 as a support gnar who started spellthiefs and Janna just pressed W on him > > All your posts consist of balance whining about champions that you lose games to have you ever thought of the CRAZY idea that you might not understand them and are failing to counter? she is broken dude everyone knows it
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: > [{quoted}](name=TheHappyReaperz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zNQwidfw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-03-02T19:51:27.511+0000) > > Shen's low stats are, in part, due to the passive shield he gets, as well as the zone he creates, that blocks AA damage. Similar to how Sion is a threat after death, Shen is a threat anywhere on the map, because of his ultimate. While there are other reasons he has such low stats, these are the ones that stand out the most, to me at least. Doesn't Shen also have one of if not THE highest health regen in the game?
> [{quoted}](name=Luminiferous Cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zNQwidfw,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-03-02T21:27:24.537+0000) > > Doesn't Shen also have one of if not THE highest health regen in the game? It is shit compared to darius and garen and much more
: I dunno, I see someone complaining about Ahri every time I look at the boards.
> [{quoted}](name=ShiraTsuki77,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M7x4Esn7,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-15T21:38:04.858+0000) > > I dunno, I see someone complaining about Ahri every time I look at the boards. Look dude they are just mad because they suck at mid which is a pretty easy and most impactful role.
Kelg (NA)
: Mord has 53% wr boards lose their minds. Ahri or an Adc sits at 53%, and no one gives a shit. Classic.
> [{quoted}](name=Kelg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M7x4Esn7,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-15T20:37:55.554+0000) > > Mord has 53% wr boards lose their minds. > > Ahri or an Adc sits at 53%, and no one gives a shit. > > Classic. You know riot is just buffing her so what is the point.
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: > [{quoted}](name=DGAGAAsharpAGD,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pp5NfydE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-07T18:07:53.269+0000) > > Are you aware of PBE nerfs? You mean the ones that are giving her compensation buffs as well?
> [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pp5NfydE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-07T18:13:07.322+0000) > > You mean the ones that are giving her compensation buffs as well? Roasted lol {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
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: Nerf all champions across the board please
> [{quoted}](name=EnigmaticMachine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r2aO7bgH,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-03T19:23:28.396+0000) > > The only way to stop the one shot wonder meta is to just nerf all damage and base stats until everyone feels like a fucking caster minion. Then no one will complain about one champion being too broken. This thread is called a fucking joke. Im not being serious about what changes I want them to make.
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> [{quoted}](name=HP Crookshanks,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xw8yZTpX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-28T20:56:39.945+0000) > > {{item:3155}} {{champion:238}} {{item:3155}} {{champion:157}} {{item:3155}} {{champion:39}} {{item:3155}} {{champion:91}} {{item:3155}} {{champion:266}} {{item:3155}} {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} Maw actually sucks and only works on squishies
: > [{quoted}](name=EnigmaticMachine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jvoGVOPJ,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-02T20:00:53.157+0000) > >buffing towers means buffing the minions while also changing the way you need to farm. How?
> [{quoted}](name=Darkdemon653,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jvoGVOPJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-02T20:05:46.479+0000) > > How? If they buff tower dmg think about the minions hp and trying to farm under tower. Use your brain dude
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Nekusen (NA)
: they should not fall down after a while, i think they should do %HP true damage, so they do the same damage to all champions, don't fall down, and don't need "fine tuning" for the scaling.
> [{quoted}](name=Nekusen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=84ajHJxW,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-13T00:40:01.066+0000) > > they should not fall down after a while, i think they should do %HP true damage, so they do the same damage to all champions, don't fall down, and don't need "fine tuning" for the scaling. That will render Tanks useless and make only dmg the way to go
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: 9.13 displays everything wrong with the development team
> [{quoted}](name=EnigmaticMachine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sZv5KEoz,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-26T14:22:04.825+0000) > > They finally nerfed sej and pyke and sona, but they start showing their true colors with random buffs and unnecessary item changes. I swear Riot uses the excuse it’s a meta game to cover up the many flaws they make while having all the info they need to just fix the game. I’m going to new games or mostly older games that don’t involve loot boxes or some monkey constantly changing the state of a game just for revenue purposes. Games are meant to be fun and a form of art style. Not a freemium trash heap that most games have become today. The fact this thread got downvoted more than upvoted means you were stupid enough to pay money to this company.
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: What is caddie?
> [{quoted}](name=Relax I am noob,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2PAv39uZ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-15T00:51:57.019+0000) > > What is caddie? The cannon minion
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Velasan (NA)
: While technically true you also need to remember this happens in higher elo because you are expecting your allies to know their champions and hopefully not feed too bad. Still happens, but not as often. So, just not feeding your enemy laner works a lot better in higher elo, where safely trying to test out the other side until someone makes a mistake can win you a game. In lower elo, you can play extra safe, and your allies can still give up all the dragons and feed, making you useless. Probably more precise to say not feeding your enemy helps you to win more games, and sometimes defensive itemization can help you do that.
> [{quoted}](name=Velasan,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dad4wTJT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-15T01:20:33.029+0000) > > While technically true you also need to remember this happens in higher elo because you are expecting your allies to know their champions and hopefully not feed too bad. > > Still happens, but not as often. So, just not feeding your enemy laner works a lot better in higher elo, where safely trying to test out the other side until someone makes a mistake can win you a game. In lower elo, you can play extra safe, and your allies can still give up all the dragons and feed, making you useless. > > Probably more precise to say not feeding your enemy helps you to win more games, and sometimes defensive itemization can help you do that. I can see what you are saying and I completely agree. Especially when mages are bruisers are suffocating the meta with either too much sustain or insane burst damage. It is like two stones slowly crushing you from each side and if you try to focus your build on one then the other crushes you two times faster.
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: I personally feel that Rhaast = Shadow Assassin. Both forms have their owns strengths and weaknesses. Though it seems most of the time, Rhaast is the way to go.
> [{quoted}](name=DancingDinos,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MkznoOOX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-13T06:08:41.710+0000) > > I personally feel that Rhaast = Shadow Assassin. Both forms have their owns strengths and weaknesses. Though it seems most of the time, Rhaast is the way to go. It is considered in the higher elo the best way to go.
iV0lt4GE (EUW)
: Funny, I feel the opposite (Red Kayn is inferior to Blue Kayn) but honestly, it depends a lot on who you face. If it is a lot of tanks/bruisers then Red Kayn is better, if there are a lot of squishies, then Blue Kayn. It also depends on playstyle and Runes. Red Kayn ALWAYS take Conqueror but Blue Kayn takes Electrocute/Dark Harvest (I tend to take Dark Harvest in ranked because they help you scale your damage and you can pick up a couple of stacks when trying to farm your form). Another thing to consider is how you play when you use your forms, Red Kayn is more upfront and focuses on sustain and extended fights. Blue Kayn is more around finding ppl alone and use walls to traverse the map and pick up squishies. TL;DR I have played a lot of Kayn recently (G1 - P4) and found very good success with Blue Kayn but then again, it just depends on who you face and which Runes/Playstyle you prefer.
> [{quoted}](name=iV0lt4GE,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MkznoOOX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-12T22:15:31.459+0000) > > Funny, I feel the opposite (Red Kayn is inferior to Blue Kayn) but honestly, it depends a lot on who you face. If it is a lot of tanks/bruisers then Red Kayn is better, if there are a lot of squishies, then Blue Kayn. It also depends on playstyle and Runes. Red Kayn ALWAYS take Conqueror but Blue Kayn takes Electrocute/Dark Harvest (I tend to take Dark Harvest in ranked because they help you scale your damage and you can pick up a couple of stacks when trying to farm your form). > > Another thing to consider is how you play when you use your forms, Red Kayn is more upfront and focuses on sustain and extended fights. Blue Kayn is more around finding ppl alone and use walls to traverse the map and pick up squishies. > > TL;DR I have played a lot of Kayn recently (G1 - P4) and found very good success with Blue Kayn but then again, it just depends on who you face and which Runes/Playstyle you prefer. The point I am making is that against a good team a blue kayn wont be able to anything after 30 minutes because by then the front line can still tank or deal enough damage to then help their adc in need or the adc builds ga and your whole burst strategy is completely ruined.
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: Sion Poppy Nunu Alistar Braum Nautilus Garen Thers so many tanks that can take ages to die. the only bruisers that can sorta frontline for a while is Fiora cause her op parry and xin zhao cause his ult
> [{quoted}](name=Shiroe Okazaki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=02HVe3ox,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-18T17:19:44.741+0000) > > Sion Poppy Nunu Alistar Braum Nautilus Garen > Thers so many tanks that can take ages to die. the only bruisers that can sorta frontline for a while is Fiora cause her op parry and xin zhao cause his ult The fact that you call Garen tanks is actually a joke.
Hvsao (NA)
: Please say this again, but while holding a sign showing her 29% win rate on release.
> [{quoted}](name=Hvsao,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cKVv8LEc,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-16T12:55:33.403+0000) > > Please say this again, but while holding a sign showing her 29% win rate on release. Yeah because her kit is a rubber band that is not balanceable. Riot only buffed her to make a decent profit on a bad design.
: > [{quoted}](name=ChrisBrownze,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gN3EIUcI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-05T06:01:55.180+0000) > > The problem with fixing tanks is if you buff them too much, it becomes tank meta, where we get picks like Sion mid. Overall the majority of the community agrees that two tanks bopping each other back and forth and doing mostly nothing for 20 minutes of lane phase is not enjoyable, so buffing tanks without overtuning them is very difficult, since we never went to have league of tanks. so dont pick a tank into a tank if youre a top laner. its not like this choice is completely out of your control
> [{quoted}](name=PhearBunny,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gN3EIUcI,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-05T12:00:06.003+0000) > > so dont pick a tank into a tank if youre a top laner. its not like this choice is completely out of your control Also I stated that tanks should not be able to 1v1 bruisers. That makes you not want to play a tank top. Duh...
: The problem with fixing tanks is if you buff them too much, it becomes tank meta, where we get picks like Sion mid. Overall the majority of the community agrees that two tanks bopping each other back and forth and doing mostly nothing for 20 minutes of lane phase is not enjoyable, so buffing tanks without overtuning them is very difficult, since we never went to have league of tanks.
> [{quoted}](name=ChrisBrownze,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gN3EIUcI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-05T06:01:55.180+0000) > > The problem with fixing tanks is if you buff them too much, it becomes tank meta, where we get picks like Sion mid. Overall the majority of the community agrees that two tanks bopping each other back and forth and doing mostly nothing for 20 minutes of lane phase is not enjoyable, so buffing tanks without overtuning them is very difficult, since we never went to have league of tanks. You obviously did not read the whole thing dude. I just stated that Tanks shouldn't be able to perform well against bruisers and should be developed and changed to fit the jungle and support roles.
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Slythion (NA)
: I'm not to sure about attack speed being a problem so much as all the attack speed items come with so many other amazing stats. CDR availability is definitely a problem though, I'm glad the community is starting to realize that
> [{quoted}](name=Slythion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OewcUuri,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-18T16:21:09.242+0000) > > I'm not to sure about attack speed being a problem so much as all the attack speed items come with so many other amazing stats. CDR availability is definitely a problem though, I'm glad the community is starting to realize that You can get a free phantom dancer with just runes alone. Thats too much.
: Except they aren't at all. Experience with multiple unranked to diamond runs. Currently doing a b5 to p5 staying with 90% win rate. Can easily say bronze is worse than silver which is worse than gold, which is worse than plat, which is worse than diamond.
> [{quoted}](name=The Nocturne God,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l59vkTkR,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-04T00:23:40.971+0000) > > Except they aren't at all. Experience with multiple unranked to diamond runs. Currently doing a b5 to p5 staying with 90% win rate. Can easily say bronze is worse than silver which is worse than gold, which is worse than plat, which is worse than diamond. Gold players are worse than silver thats a fact they have no teamwork
: Who are you playing toplane? If you make her waste her ult, you and a jungler can easily dive her. The only problem I can see with what you're saying is that she's hugging tower a lot and she goes in if you fail a dive. Her late game is supposed to be unbalanced because of how bad her early is.
> [{quoted}](name=AFK Yuumi Main,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=j5LlIfOA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-16T12:44:10.640+0000) > > Who are you playing toplane? > If you make her waste her ult, you and a jungler can easily dive her. > > The only problem I can see with what you're saying is that she's hugging tower a lot and she goes in if you fail a dive. > > Her late game is supposed to be unbalanced because of how bad her early is. Once she buys rageblade and GA its over thats a fact
Glory97 (EUW)
: But this is how meta works. The top tier champions are changing. Jhin and corki will come back into meta. And i think the current meta is quite good. Blade gives a lot of good stats and allows adcs to have a one item powerspike. This buff to the early game fixed the previous "adc in 2k17-probleme"
> [{quoted}](name=Glory97,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JUoEaNmx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-28T20:32:34.956+0000) > > But this is how meta works. The top tier champions are changing. Jhin and corki will come back into meta. And i think the current meta is quite good. Blade gives a lot of good stats and allows adcs to have a one item powerspike. This buff to the early game fixed the previous "adc in 2k17-probleme" There is no meta when for the past two season it has been go bork and rageblade or nothing... Meta means change and right now I dont see any changes being made only reverts to past crit build champs. Riot is trash at meta change and thats why its competitive play is a joke.
: i care about this champion theres so many builds she can use. did you know she can abuse knights vow?
> [{quoted}](name=Corrector1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wmkzOiwl,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-17T04:19:45.020+0000) > > i care about this champion theres so many builds she can use. did you know she can abuse knights vow? The point is this champion is untargetable for 98% of the game. That is not fair to the enemy team for trying to secure kill gold.
cheex919 (NA)
: yuumi bug?
Yummi sucks and needs to be deleted.
: Yuumi
She needs to be deleted.
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