: for ur last statements here my problem,even if i keep for post game,i still will get banned,so i get ur point about making them tilted in game thats why i keep for when teh game is over,but even then u get punished so we.btw like u said if i call some one fat and its insulting to them,thats their problem,they should feel bad,it shouldnt be like considered okay to be fat(unless medical reason),making them feel bad will make them change to overcome their shame,while like in the us whats happening is being obese is being portrayed as okay and even sometimes glorified by some sjw media,guess what,half ur fuking population is overweight,being carebare like just makes a shity environnement even if it seems "better"
life is hard,the truith is hard,but life is all about overcoming them,not trying to hide from them and thinking everything is ok when its not.also for the doublestandard thing,it dosnt apply to me cuz i care enough and sportsmanlike enough that even if i tilt i will perform,like ima jg main,i pick kha often,many times i had dumbass teammates running it down,and i was tilted af,dosnt keep me from 1v9 the game,but other ppl they cant have that focus and they lose complete logical sense when they are tilted and become a literal inter almost
: First of all; _please try to condense your responses into one comment._ I only get a notification for the first comment in your string, and constantly commenting to your own replies to add on to it just floods the thread with unnecessary clutter, making it harder to read and follow the conversation. --- > u say in sports ppl got punished ya,ppl who got way overborn and litteraly harrassed them,im just saying they are bad a t the game and that talk has been in any team to anyone ,as i said,if they start using hate speech and diverting from the actual issue in the game,thats bannable It's not just people going overboard. Here's the snippet that I mentioned earlier - one which Prandine sometimes links to to show people that, surprise surprise, unsportsmanlike conduct and harassment get punished in real-world sports, too. From [Ulanopo's Knowledge Base](http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4086541&page=5#post43595629); > **Trash talk is part of all competitive sports. It happens all the time in the pros.** > > Yes and no. Yes, trash talk occurs, but it has definite limits. Most of the things that are punished in game (racial, ethnic and homophobic slurs, sexism, etc.) would also earn you a hefty fine in professional sports. > > A Tumblr List of NBA Fines (http://nbafines.tumblr.com/) (My personal favorite on that site is this indefinite suspension (http://nbafines.tumblr.com/post/1010368028/3-12-96-the-nba-suspended-mahmoud-abdul-rauf-den), simply for refusing to stand during the National Anthem.) > > A List of NFL Fines for Taunting (http://www.spotrac.com/fines-tracker/nfl/all-years/fines/taunting/) > > NBC Article on Fines Agreed to by the NFLPA (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/01/bizarrely-specific-nfl-fines-come-from-agreed-league-union-schedule/) > "Excessive profanity or other unsportsmanlike conduct triggers a minimum fine of $10,500." > > NHL Office of Player Safety (http://www.nhl.com/ice/eventhome.htm?location=/playersafety) Brendan Shanahan is the ****ing Bad Santa of the NHL. Did you know that his Office of Player Safety watches every minute of every game, from multiple angles? He sees and hears EVERYTHING, including swearing. > > ... and the grand finale! > Marge Schott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marge_Schott), who was forced out of ownership of the Cincinnati Reds for racist comments and pro-Nazi sentiments. Beyond that, it doesn't matter if all you're telling them is "(they're) bad at the game" - you're not helping anything. You're making them play worse, and you're not helping them to improve, so ultimately, you flaming them is a detriment to the match. > by the way saying the truth is harrassing?explain yourself.that just sound like an excuse for mentaly weak players that cant handle the truth True statements can be insults and harassment. You may not like that fact, but hey, _it's the truth._ Calling someone "fat" when they're overweight is still insulting. Calling someone "garbage" or "bad" when they're underperforming is insulting. Don't like it? Them's the 8r8ks. > also,then u say i dont know certain things,if u go 0-6 in lane right,that means u make the same mistake over and over again and u refuse to learn from ur mistake either because of pure laziness,being tilted we,but that just shows u dont care enough to correct ur obvious shortcomings to better win the game Again; _you're assuming. **You don't know for a fact whether or not they care for the game.**_ Plus, _how can you seriously say that they don't care when they're getting tilted?_ Wasn't one of your prior arguments that you flaming is just a byproduct of getting stressed because you care so much about winning? I'm sensing a double-standard here. Why does that argument fly for you, but not for them? > im talking about flaming then after game,i shouldnt be banned for telling some one they are bad post game,even in game but we It doesn't matter if you're flaming them in-game or post-game. The rules say not to flame, period, not "don't flame unless the match is over". You may not like the rules, but you still have to abide by them.
for ur last statements here my problem,even if i keep for post game,i still will get banned,so i get ur point about making them tilted in game thats why i keep for when teh game is over,but even then u get punished so we.btw like u said if i call some one fat and its insulting to them,thats their problem,they should feel bad,it shouldnt be like considered okay to be fat(unless medical reason),making them feel bad will make them change to overcome their shame,while like in the us whats happening is being obese is being portrayed as okay and even sometimes glorified by some sjw media,guess what,half ur fuking population is overweight,being carebare like just makes a shity environnement even if it seems "better"
: im talking about flaming then after game,i shouldnt be banned for telling some one they are bad post game,even in game but we
as ur last thing,weak links dont end up actualy playing on the main roster,there might be the worst player,but that worst player would be half decent and dependable still
: also,then u say i dont know certain things,if u go 0-6 in lane right,that means u make the same mistake over and over again and u refuse to learn from ur mistake either because of pure laziness,being tilted we,but that just shows u dont care enough to correct ur obvious shortcomings to better win the game
im talking about flaming then after game,i shouldnt be banned for telling some one they are bad post game,even in game but we
: by the way saying the truth is harrassing?explain yourself.that just sound like an excuse for mentaly weak players that cant handle the truth
also,then u say i dont know certain things,if u go 0-6 in lane right,that means u make the same mistake over and over again and u refuse to learn from ur mistake either because of pure laziness,being tilted we,but that just shows u dont care enough to correct ur obvious shortcomings to better win the game
: u say in sports ppl got punished ya,ppl who got way overborn and litteraly harrassed them,im just saying they are bad a t the game and that talk has been in any team to anyone ,as i said,if they start using hate speech and diverting from the actual issue in the game,thats bannable
by the way saying the truth is harrassing?explain yourself.that just sound like an excuse for mentaly weak players that cant handle the truth
: > now i used to only get chat restricted for 10 games at most every few months,why?cuz i would say to bad players that they are bad.now after the rework even the smallest flame can be counted and enough of them and u get permabanned. It's more probable that you're simply lashing out and flaming other players more frequently than it is that the system has been overtuned. If you got permanently banned, then that's an indicator that you've been consistently negative enough to warrant such a harsh punishment; ignoring however many semi-monthly chat restrictions you've had prior, you'd still have to have climbed through all three punishment tiers prior to warrant a permanent ban. > there is not a single system ina game,sports where that exist,the other games only ban ppl who hate speech(which im totally for). IIRC, there are ample sports where players have been penalized, and even kicked off of teams, for misbehavior and aggression against other players. I know one of the Moderators - Prandine, if my memory serves - has a link to a number of cited punishments in various sports. Either way, it'd be unrealistic for any sport to only ever punish for hate speech. Unsportsmanlike conduct, as the name would imply, _has no place in sports_. > but riot and also ppl who say ppl like me deserve it dont understand that ranked league is a competitive environnement. It's not that we don't understand that Ranked is a competitive environment, it's that _you_ don't understand that it being a competitive environment doesn't give you the liberty to flame and harass players. You're expected to compose yourself better and strive for the win in a competitive environment, not tear down your teammates and lash out. > ppl like me care about ranking up and th trigger to us flaming is simply some one who clearly dosnt share the same drive who clearly underperforms out of pure lazyness. You don't know the reason they're underperforming. You don't know if they have the same drive as you do to win. And frankly, if you're apt to flame people who underperform, then you can't say that you have a drive to win - you don't win by fighting your own teammates. > because unlike sports, ppl can join in soloq anytime they want and they can treat it as they wish,so a lot of ppl who dont care and who just play rank for fun instead of normals cuz the games quality are better ruins other ppl experience. Again; _you don't know why people do what they do._ How do you know that they don't care to climb? Are they explicitly stating it, or do you just assume that they don't care because they're getting their asses handed to them? And, even if Ranked is supposed to be a competitive mode, the game is still meant to be played for fun. If you don't like that, then unfortunately, you just have to deal with it. It's a game, not a job. > because whena bot lane goes 0-12 in a 2v2 that means they refuse to learn from their mistakes and continue to do the same because as i said,they dont care... Do you think flaming them is going to make them play better? 'Cause it's not going to. It'll only make them play worse, and then you're becoming part of the very problem you're flaming them for. > ...these players should be ready to receive some kind of negative feed back,if that turns them off from ranked ,good. And if you decide that you should be the one to give them "negative feedback" through flaming, then you should be ready to receive some kind of punishment. You don't get to flame players, no matter how poorly they perform or how much you think your flame is justified. --- The last section of your wall of text is primarily just rambling, with the assertion that sports teams would straight up harass and insult players who don't perform well. I'm sincerely doubtful that that's true, since, again; _competitive sports requires a degree of composure and sportsmanlike conduct, and being an asshole to weak links isn't conducive to that composure._
u say in sports ppl got punished ya,ppl who got way overborn and litteraly harrassed them,im just saying they are bad a t the game and that talk has been in any team to anyone ,as i said,if they start using hate speech and diverting from the actual issue in the game,thats bannable
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: Ummm ... the honors program didn't change the punishment system at all. The rest, tldr. I ain't reading that block of text.
they did a change at the same time they introduced the honor program,they definitly changed the way they punish player, and its a super agreessive system
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: if ppl were good or okay everygame,ppl like me would rarely do anything remotly toxic,but ofc if u get 0-16 botlane in a ranked game,u bet im gonna rant about them being useless at the end of games when its over and it wont affect them,but i still get banned accounts for saying normal flame stuff that in other games would never even get u a single punishement.riot changed thier system after the honor rework,and now weak snowflakes who are trash at the game and ruining it for other ppl can massreport anyone who tells them they are bad because riot gave them the power too,its pathetic
also,ppl who reply u broke the rules,deal with consequences are the most brainless ppl that can exist,100 years ago teacher could beat up their students and it would be normal,now u cant,its not because its a rule and its a good one or theres no need to add one.u say i abuse verbaly,no i tell them exactly what they are,the truth,u are indeed bad at the game,that s a fact,u are indeed useless inside this game,u are indeed costing us the game,u indeed should be at a lower elo,they are all truths,i never use hate speech words or insult anyone out of anything league related reasons.
: in my experience, the toxic players ruin the game more than the people who aren't good.
if ppl were good or okay everygame,ppl like me would rarely do anything remotly toxic,but ofc if u get 0-16 botlane in a ranked game,u bet im gonna rant about them being useless at the end of games when its over and it wont affect them,but i still get banned accounts for saying normal flame stuff that in other games would never even get u a single punishement.riot changed thier system after the honor rework,and now weak snowflakes who are trash at the game and ruining it for other ppl can massreport anyone who tells them they are bad because riot gave them the power too,its pathetic

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