EdgeLady (NA)
: I LOVE Mordekaiser's new Login theme. But...
Beautiful. If only my boy Urgot's login theme was this good.
: I was just typing up an essay to defend this awesome piece of new lore but hey, I guess you beat me to it here! XD Don't know how much my word counts but I personally couldn't be happier with Mordekaiser's new narrative. He's in very capable hands.
Same, I'm actually quite happy with Morde's bio. To me, it makes him seem far more powerful and terrifying than he ever did before.
: I do not, he looks far weaker and less charismatic than the most recent old Mordekaiser whose reign and fall looked far more epic and tyrannical. I really like though how he kept himself form fading away and I **really** like that even LB's betrayal was part of his plan, the new Mordekaiser looks far more subtle and planning than the older one who was more of a pure powerful warmonger. I really want to read more about him.
This comment has little to do with what I said. But I have to disagree with him seeming weaker and less charismatic. He bent the very world of the dead to his will... that's pretty dang powerful.
: What if the threat Swain has been preparing for is not the Void but Mordekaiser?
Honestly I always thought it was Morde that Swain was preparing for.
: > [{quoted}](name=beany,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=GAlb6RnM,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-29T15:41:56.361+0000) > > So there are some retcons, namely morde has no longer has direct links to shadow isles and his current-lore state is him being stuck in the afterworld biding his time rather than in the material world. One notable addition is morde allowing himself to be betrayed by leblanc so that he could make use of the souls he accumulated in his afterworld. that's kinda disappointing, him losing the connection with the Shadow Isles, the whole skull thingy.
My only qualm with it is that it can't be used to explain how Thresh came to be so twisted anymore. Otherwise I kinda like separating him from the Shadow Isles.
Pale Mask (EUW)
: The Dark Lord Cometh
Honestly I like Sahn-Uzal more than Mordekaiser. Sound's cooler imo. Also it sounds more like some lost language of the dead than Mordekaiser does.
zounet (EUW)
: No more Champion Reveal?
Yeah I liked the champion reveal page too.
: Headless Mordekaiser, does it mean something?
I don't think any of his body is within that armor. Sure there are parts of him that look like ribs, if you look closer, you see its just part of the armor... especially when looking at his in game model.
: His ult is gunna br broken, cuase its not really going to be a 1v1. Cause of course he is going to Ult some one he can EASILy kill. like some one well below in HP compared to him, or some one who inst fed........soooo yea....
Actually there's plenty of incentive for ulting a fed champion as it'll give you a better stat buff.
Naalith (NA)
: He also has autoattacks, like Jesus Riot could you recycle more mechanics? Every champion is literally the exact same.
God dammit. Another champion with auto attacks.
Dyromic (EUNE)
: With the Morde rework, what is even the Ruined King's role in the lore?
The Ruin King's primary role is creating the Shadow Isles and the Black Mist. Beyond that, I don't think he really matters.
Axxuka (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Riot mChao,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=7kBuKkB7,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-05-28T02:23:13.323+0000) > > Hahahahaha > > I mean. > > Huehuehuehuehue > > He IS the greater threat. > [{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=7kBuKkB7,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-05-28T02:27:46.789+0000) > > Well he has MY vote! > > Totally unbiased opinion. > > If you have to pick between two evils why not pick the GREATER of the two?! Greater threat than the void and the Watchers trapped there ??? That threat has been teased since a very long time (Aurelion Sol, Kai'sa and probably more if you put it together...) ;)
Pretty sure riot confirmed that things from the void could be affected by the Black Mist. And if Morde still commands the Mist, then I'd say he at least has the potential to be the greater threat.
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Eternal791,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=L8mkEwGw,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-05-24T21:38:56.112+0000) > > I feel like Zaun has enough bad guys for a while. I mean there's Singed, Urgot, Dr. Mundo, Twitch, kinda Warwick, Jinx, the Chem Barons, all the different gangs running about. I'm not saying they can't add more in the future, but I think they should add more good guys before then. I mean the only hero types currently in Zaun are Zac, Ekko, also kinda Warwick, and maybe Viktor. > > Maybe we could get someone who becomes a chem baron but is genuinely trying to make Zaun a better place and instill a bit of order. To add to Yamada's additions, I have to say, given the hints we have about her, I don't think Jinx will stay a villain for long once the story starts to progress. Viktor can be a villain depending on your ideology (and vice versa with his friend Jayce). I do agree that so many Zaunites are true-to-heart villains though, especially Twitch and Singed.
What makes you think she won't stay a villain? I can see there being times when her actions happen to aid the good guys, like if Noxus invades, but when it comes down to it, she'll still be a villain, cause she doesn't really care about anyone (except maybe Vi to some extent). If anything, she'll be constantly crossing the line between hero and villain, because she's crazy and is really only motivated by her own entertainment... as far as we know anyway.
: >the only hero types currently in Zaun are Zac, Ekko, also kinda Warwick, and maybe Viktor. You forgot the hugging wind lady and the friendly robot next-door. {{champion:40}} {{champion:53}}
I feel like Janna is more of a deity/messiah figure than super hero.
: I would like to see another super villain type (as you already have a few superhero/supervillain types in Zaun/Piltover). Maybe someone who weaponizes the Zaun Gray. Like I am thinking someone who looks like this, and spreads the poison from Zaun up into Piltover https://i.imgur.com/eYDkoGY.jpg[/img]
I feel like Zaun has enough bad guys for a while. I mean there's Singed, Urgot, Dr. Mundo, Twitch, kinda Warwick, Jinx, the Chem Barons, all the different gangs running about. I'm not saying they can't add more in the future, but I think they should add more good guys before then. I mean the only hero types currently in Zaun are Zac, Ekko, also kinda Warwick, and maybe Viktor. Maybe we could get someone who becomes a chem baron but is genuinely trying to make Zaun a better place and instill a bit of order.
Falrein (EUW)
: What kind of cinematic would you like to see in the future?
I want to see Jinx giving Vi and Cait a bad time and Urgot battling Ekko, Camille and a bunch of a chem baron's thugs... mostly I just wanna see Urgot.
Terozu (NA)
: Braum is confirmed real!
I wasn't aware that anyone questioned whether Braum was real in the world of Runeterra.
: Please, make the Morde rework like what they did with Doomguy
Yes, the Doom reboot is amazing. That kind of transformation would be welcome.
: I want the game mode to return, but not now. Just adding Zed as a new possible boss isn't enough, the game mode should return when we get a few new Odyssey skins for playable characters again. I loved the game mode, especially since my favourite marksman, Jinx, was included. But the champion pool was really limiting for some people. Add 3-5 new Odyssey crew members with new skins and completely new augmentations for them, throw in the legendary Zed skin as the end boss, then this is ready to return.
I feel like the Morning Star wasn't that big of a ship. It probably couldn't comfortably fit much more people, so I'd be willing to bet that if they added more playable characters to the skin line and game mode, they'd probably be another crew entirely one that often finds their paths crossing with that of the Morning Star crew. It might be interesting if they have a bit of a rivalry, like hating each other because they're always getting in each other's way; though not enough to not work together in the most dire of situations.
Terozu (NA)
: So is the Odyssey game mode gonna come back when Zed is released? Please?
: Thresh Probably Has a Grudge
Tbh, the only thing that really makes sense with Thresh's character is being pissed that his stuff was destroyed. Thresh found undeath to be far better than life because now he could torture people literally forever. Considering everyone on the Blessed Isles came back as a ghost, I'm willing to bet that if Thresh even cared about his people dying at all, he got over it as soon as he saw that they all came back as ghosts. I think what makes Thresh a particularly scary character is the fact that he doesn't hold grudges. He does what he does purely because he enjoys it.
Falrein (EUW)
: If you could meet your favourite champions once...
{{champion:6}} ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY URGOD! {{champion:222}} EXPLOSIONS!!!!!!!!
Sukishoo (NA)
: Dunk master Ivern...
There is only room for one Dunk Master in these parts {{champion:122}}
: I noticed something on the Camille splash art on the Universe.
You can see him on the orinal splash art too, but the window isn't fully broken, so its only a silhouette. https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/champion-reveal-camille-steel-shadow
Terozu (NA)
: Why hasn't Yasuo been changed when he has >60% banrate in 9 regions?(of 13)
Imo, sometimes whether a champion is annoying or not should make them more of a priority for reworking/nerfing than whether they are OP or outdated. Yasuo is an example of terrible design because no matter what, he's annoying to play against. I personally think they should give him mana and remove his double crit, and that would only possibly make him bearable. Maybe remove his shield, or at least change how it works, cause in my experience, he's way to safe for how offensive he is.
Jamaree (NA)
: The closest we are gonna get is his dash probably.
Riot has said that they liked his old ult, but just felt it didn't belong on Urgot. So I think there is a pretty good chance we'll see a new champion with a similar ability.
: [Big Dumb Lore Theory] Maybe Jhin was sent to Zaun/Piltover for a reason.
Pale Mask (EUW)
: Ashe, Lux, Garen, Zed. I would like to pretend I'm surprised by the choices, but I'm not at all.
Tbh, Lux is the only one of those characters that I'm even slightly interested in. I wish they would do something in Piltover/Zaun. For instance, we all know of the rival between Jinx and Vi/Caitlyn but we've never seen any actual story for it. And of course I wanna see Urgot. I can never get enough of those shotgun knees.
Rioter Comments
Zyranium (EUW)
: I would love seeing this champions in action : {{champion:50}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:28}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:143}}
Yeah I wanna see Evelyn in a cinematic, though Zyra already has one. What I really want to see though is my crab daddy {{champion:6}}
Vartius (EUNE)
: Please, listen to the interactions again. Most of them refer to her liking looking like other female champions. If anything, that implies she has an issue with her selfimage. Especially with lines like "I wish I could stay like this forever". The only flirty one is the one for Shyv - and it's a goddamn lunch invitation. I doubt anyone would care if a man invited some lady to a lunch in one of his interactions. There are a few lines that could be interpret to her having an interest in Nami... Which is also understandable since Nami is a Vastaya. And that one line with Evelynn, that can mean MANY different things, considering that Neeko takes on not only the physical appearance, but also a part of the champion's mind when transforming. Also, contrary to what you claim there are both male and female characters that flirt with more than one other champion. EDIT: also lines about Nidalee... Her past love interest and a friend. And those lines are just general statemets of admiration (like the interaction with Rengar) or just saying she misses her.
I honestly didn't take her relationship with Nidalee to be of that nature. I kinda saw it as more of a close friendship/parental relationship. I suppose I could be reading it wrong, but that's just what it came off as to me.
: Beating A Dead Horse (That Is Actually A Chameleon)
I agree completely. While I enjoy Neeko as a character, I do think her sexuality is largely irrelevant unless it pertains to an important relation ship with another character.
: Then she should also think females smell bad, wouldnt she?
Also, from what I gather, she would smell pretty bad too from living in the woods all the time.
: Neeko being a lesbian didn't really change my opinion of her, and I say this in the best way possible. She's a vibrant fun character with or without that detail. It doesn't feel like pandering and even if you don't like the detail you could play her with no problems. I don't really care what a character's sexuality is, but if they want to diversify it, then fine. Seems harmless enough if Riot does it in this way.
Same. Like the OP, I am a white, straight, Christian male, and I do believe giving in to homosexuality is wrong, but I do not hate homosexuals (some of my friends are homo/bisexual). However, I don't particularly, like when I see characters that are gay just to be gay; like the whole thought process behind them was we're gonna shove it down their throats that this character is gay until their bodies literally explode. Thankfully, Riot seems pretty good at not doing that. In fact, I wouldn't have known Neeko was a lesbian lizard without a rioter saying so. I think this is probably more representative of what most gay people are in real life... ordinary people. Also, I really look forward to Neeko.
: What if the "Chained Champ" is actually the "Chaining Champ"?
: Have you tried Ezreal? Ezreal is true beauty personified. Ezreal is the best ADC in the game and also is the best champion overall in the game. You definitely want to try Ezreal before you make erroneous statements like you just did here. http://www.auplod.com/u/pdolua802d6.png
I honestly despise everything about Ezreal. I don't like him as a character, I don't care for his art, VO or gameplay. Ezreal is far from true beauty imo. Also, to expand upon the initial post, Morde is actually really strong right now (especially because no one plays him so they don't expect anything from him), and Morde and Blitz is known to be a strong combo.
Rioter Comments
: who is the most terrifyingly powerful "normal" character in league?
: As much as I love Odyssey, I'm confused as to why it's always an Alternate Universe.
I would love to see some story modes for each region of Runeterra.
Vartius (EUNE)
: Fair enough. Seems I have underastimated Thresh then - probably due to him in-game not appearing extremely threatening as opposed to the others.
Idk, Thresh honestly scares me more than everyone else whether he's more powerful or not. Just because death by Thresh means an eternity of torment.
Vartius (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Eternal791,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=n0H9Zwb7,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-09-15T18:07:43.372+0000) > > Actually, Thresh's bio suggests he had some amount of magical aptitude before the Ruination, as he showed the ability to cast spells (or at least start to in his case). Additionally, he, like Kalista, gains power from the souls he harvests. This I believe would make him one of the most powerful Shadow Isle champions, though probably one that demonstration his power the least. So I would rank him and Kalista higher than Hecarim, but not quite as high as Morde. Problem with the whole soul-harvest thing is: we don't actually know whether he it's an ability unique to the two of them or something that all of these champions posses, but in different forms - Karthus controlling souls could be just a form of that. I didn't actually read Thresh's lore in a while, so thanks for pointing out he actually had at least some magical power - it probably wasn't an extremely big deal, but still a bonus to his powers.
Kalista is confirmed to actually consume the souls as they become a part of her (hens why she refers to herself as We rather than I). Thresh on the other hand gains power from them differently. He basically leeches off them while torturing them for knowledge (and entertainment). He continually consumes part of them, but not enough to completely merge them with him; which honestly could make him more powerful than Kalista depending on how many souls they each have. Karthas we know doesn't consume the souls as he wants them to be free. So he probably doesn't really gain any power from them. Morde enslaves them, so he probably leeches off them too like Thresh. Plus he was already a powerful necromancer/death knight long before the Ruination. Hecarim's color story straight up says that he doesn't care about souls, so he's probably actually pretty weak for a shadow isle champ. Yorick is a bit harder to tell as he's still alive.
: I personally don't think so, if DS Rhaast is as powerful as the other Dark Stars then he would be as powerful as a space titan, I think maybe like Thanos, as he would be an unstoppable black hole monster. I feel as though Ascended Kayn would be as powerful as any mortal can get
Honestly, if Rhaast is as powerful as other Dark Star champions, then Thanos isn't even comparable to him (he's unimaginably weaker). However, something about Rhaast being trapped in a weapon and having to battle for control with Kayn says to me that he isn't quite as powerful as the other Dark Star champs.
Vartius (EUNE)
: "Its power grows with time... As does mine" is not a quote reffering to Kindred. He says that upon buying Rod Of Ages, an item of which power literally grows over time. There is no reason for that to be a quote about Kindred. Next - where did you get the idea that Karthus is completely immortal? Because he is not. He is just another Black Mist undead - an undead that can be banished by the likes of Lucian. In other words: he can be completely destroyed with magic or the right weapon. Mordekaiser's undeath is unique in that he can be raised no matter how many times his spirit is banished - That's why he needs the liches and the bones. It's a higher level and a different type of undeath. His lore also specifies he is far more powerful than any spirit from the isles - that includes Karthus. "in the end only dead shall remain" refers to the fact that one day the world will end. It may take milions of years, but the fact is: it will. And when it does, everyone will die. It isn't a power declaration, it's not him saying "you cannot stop me, one day I will turn everyone to my side". No. It's just him stating a fact. Karthus is probably one of the most powerful Black Mist undeads in _one aspect_ - he retained his own will and mind, unlike most, for example Hecarim, who became more twisted. But in terms of raw magical talent... Well, I don't think he is all that amazing. He didn't show any magical prowess before being turned, so his abilities come only from the black mist - as such the reach of his powers is limited and akin to others like him: mainly Thresh, who also didn't possess magical abilities before being turned. His determination may make him a better mage - him trying to further his powers is a possibility... but I still think he is of a similar power level to all of the more important shadow isles denizen. Comparing him to Kindred isn't valid, I'm afraid. As some others have said, Kindred is the literal personification of Death in runeterra. We don't actually know their extent of power, but it's far up there, in the godlike realm. Let's say it that way: Every strong undead got a power-up from the mist. Those that had magical or physical power beforehand are now the most powerful. This can be seen with Mordekaiser: he had both vast physical and magical abilities, so for him the power he gains from the mist is "considerable" (as stated in his lore). Considerable as in: power lesser than what he already had, but still worth taking note of. Karthus, who had no magical or physical prowess gets just that power up, and that's the extent his powers reach. The same with Thresh. Hecarim was already a knight and was at least somewhat strong, so he probably ranks higher than Karthus in terms of pure power, but his mind was weaker, as he became more twisted and cruel - mist could influence his mind. Hope that explains the power-ranking somehow. We don't know how powerful are any of the Mist undead, so it's problematic to compare them to anyone from the outside. But just based on the current knowledge we have, the power ranking of Shadow Isles champions would present as such: {{champion:82}} (there is quite a bit of a power gap between him and the rest.) {{champion:120}} {{champion:30}} (if he continued to extend his power after turning - if he didn't he is where Thresh, etc. are) {{champion:412}} / {{champion:60}} Kalista, Yorick and Maokai are the hardest to place. Kalista is probably at the same level as Hecarim, maybe a bit higher. Maokai is a spirit of the forest - we cannot measure his strength in any way. Yorick is a human, but he has some power over souls there, so yeah. He is probably a bit lower than Karthus. EDIT: Some points that have been brought up by Eternal791: Thresh and Kalista consume souls to gain more power, as such they probably rank higher than I thought. Karthus probably doesn't do that, since he wants souls free, as such he probably falls under Thresh and Kalista in the ranking. Hecarim is confirmed not to care about any of the souls, so he is weaker than Thresh and Kalista lore-wise.
Actually, Thresh's bio suggests he had some amount of magical aptitude before the Ruination, as he showed the ability to cast spells (or at least start to in his case). Additionally, he, like Kalista, gains power from the souls he harvests. This I believe would make him one of the most powerful Shadow Isle champions, though probably one that demonstration his power the least. So I would rank him and Kalista higher than Hecarim, but not quite as high as Morde.
: So Odyssey has bugs?
Yeah, I still haven't unlocked any Augments and I haven't gotten my skin shard for the recruitment thing.
Rioter Comments
: And who's to say Cosmic and Dark Star aren't also in the same universe as Star Guardian? Though it would be very strange if Star Guardian Jinx met up with Odyssey Jinx.
I think Dark Star is capable of being in pretty much every skin universe, seeing as they're an inter-dimensional threat.
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Scathlocke,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AxXTTOG8,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2018-09-12T02:29:48.770+0000) > > I can confirm that we have deliberately built Odyssey to be part of the same universe as at least 2 other settings. > > I should not confirm which, as they could be spoilers. > [{quoted}](name=Eternal791,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AxXTTOG8,comment-id=0000000100000001,timestamp=2018-09-12T04:27:02.623+0000) > > If you listen to Kayn's interactions Rhaast will reveal one (maybe two) skin line that Odyssey is connected to. Event Horizon is definitely one of them. I'm betting on Steel Valkyries being the second. Star Guardian is already a confirmed no (especially because Jinx is already a part of that). Super Galaxy is a slight possibility, but Steel Valkyries seems to match Odyssey's tone much more. Will you guys eventually reveal which universes are connected and put all the lores together? :D
The most obvious one I was talking about was Dark Star.
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Scathlocke,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AxXTTOG8,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-09-12T00:23:29.229+0000) > > See? We do listen ;-) > > (Also, my deflections of direct questions are often like "We are doing the thing you're asking about, in some way, but I can't talk about it...") Is Odyssey part of any existing universe? Odyssey Kayn seems to hint that Event Horizon is part of the same universe, but I was also wondering about Steel Valkyries.
If you listen to Kayn's interactions Rhaast will reveal one (maybe two) skin line that Odyssey is connected to.
Rioter Comments
: I wish all skins involved in this were legendaries, they could have made a whole new universe by these alone.
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