: > [{quoted}](name=Ethereal Flight,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7nYyxypE,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2019-10-22T05:10:37.912+0000) > > **woosh** > and add another one who just plays defense for riot and cant think beyond that. you both completely missed the point of the thread. The point of the thread is asinine and the same as the "reeeeee Riot make skin but not balance game?" posts, and relies on the OP and anybody who supports said OP not knowing how businesses are run and additionally being incapable of reading.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7nYyxypE,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-22T05:12:06.014+0000) > > The point of the thread is asinine and the same as the "reeeeee Riot make skin but not balance game?" posts, and relies on the OP and anybody who supports said OP not knowing how businesses are run and additionally being incapable of reading. Ah yes because riot needs to make money so we cant criticize them for stunningly bad decisions, or shit no one cares about like what their lawyer team says about needing legal name changes so they rake in more cash. Dont reply to me again.
zPity (NA)
: 10 free days of loot just wasn't enough.
> [{quoted}](name=zPity,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=6eQjFm0z,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-21T11:29:37.757+0000) > > 10 free days of loot just wasn't enough. 10th anniversary should have been a week of all champions unlocked, and would give people a reason to check the game out of the first time. Fuck the RNG riot cant think beyond skins
: > [{quoted}](name=Ethereal Flight,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7nYyxypE,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-10-22T04:48:52.781+0000) > > can you go _one day_ without being a disgusting apologist? it doesnt matter what the full announcement is, it's still completely deaf to the community kid. No one gives a shit about what riot does to squeeze more cash out of whales like yourself. That's all the change was for, money grabbing. ...the change was a followup to their announcement of new games and games being on mobile, because they could get in legal trouble for having their currency called "Riot Points" on mobile and mobile versions cannot share currency between games (so Wild Rift's currency couldn't be spent on TFT, and calling them the same thing would be in violation of things like the google play store's terms). That announcement is literally just "we're changing Riot Points to RP for legal reasons". It's stupid to lambast a company for making an extra article explaining a name change, especially since it's not like Riot's marketing or legal teams have any relation to game balance.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7nYyxypE,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-10-22T04:54:27.096+0000) > > ...the change was a followup to their announcement of new games and games being on mobile, because they could get in legal trouble for having their currency called "Riot Points" on mobile and mobile versions cannot share currency between games (so Wild Rift's currency couldn't be spent on TFT, and calling them the same thing would be in violation of things like the google play store's terms). > > That announcement is literally just "we're changing Riot Points to RP for legal reasons". It's stupid to lambast a company for making an extra article explaining a name change, especially since it's not like Riot's marketing or legal teams have any relation to game balance. **woosh** and add another one who just plays defense for riot and cant think beyond that. you both completely missed the point of the thread.
: Anivia at world's
Anivia losing 1 game doesnt compare to seeing Sion getting rolled over repeatedly, and still being picked for the cycle to repeat. I don't play Sion but it was embarrassing to watch.
: Everything sounds bad when you take it out of context for no fucking reason. [Here's the full announcement.](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/riot-games/announcements/were-changing-rps-name)
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7nYyxypE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-21T19:08:21.558+0000) > > Everything sounds bad when you take it out of context for no fucking reason. > > [Here's the full announcement.](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/riot-games/announcements/were-changing-rps-name) can you go _one day_ without being a disgusting apologist? it doesnt matter what the full announcement is, it's still completely deaf to the community kid. No one gives a shit about what riot does to squeeze more cash out of whales like yourself. That's all the change was for, money grabbing.
: A couple of things I'm seeing wrong here. First of all, she has one of the highest ban rates in the game, and that's partly due to her deceptively large Q hitbox, so I don't feel comfortable seeing her get a buff until that's fixed. Second of all, she's in a good place regardless. All mage supports are, which brings me to my next point. Support is where many people play Morgana because of how easy it is to proc Spellthief's Edge. Secondly, she does build AP. She rushes Zhonya's Hourglass and pacts a punch mid game. Does she build purely AP items? Not really and it's for the better because late game utility is far more effective than pure ability power. It's far easier to build MR late game as well. The Morgana mains upvoting this need to chill before they get their fav permabanned like Pyke.
She's pick/banned for her spell shield not her Q. If you think stuns are why, then Annie, Anivia, Brand supp should be more common.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ethereal Flight,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2lihVxHP,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-10-17T19:56:51.092+0000) > > If morg needs any buffs it's to her ult. The 3s to take has a really shit payoff and you have to burn your spell shield to get into that tiny ass aoe range. I would take a nerd to her Q range/stun duration if it meant a buff to her E and R... I have no issues with her, and nothing to do with her play power atm... she’s just so... linear. Basically 1 play style or else you gonna get fucked
Even in Worlds she didnt do anything except the same crap every Morg does. I dont think I saw one single R, just Q stuns and E. Morg is one of the most boring champs to play. The only reason people pick ban her is for strategic annoyance with the shield.
: > [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EtfZg87A,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-17T22:01:24.105+0000) > > Why Akali, though? > > The others I get cause they aren't in bands, but why Akali? One Rioter basically came in and said that they don't like doing skins for *unpopular champions using a single example of a champion skin that was "well made" selling pitifully, I forget the figure but I think it was making less in a year than they'd make in a day off a popular skin? It was abyssmally bad. We didn't have any context on which skin it was either, so people took shots in the dark (Dunkmaster Ivern sounds like a likely candidate). Regardless though, if a champion has playrate Riot is likely to cater to them. And given these are alt-universe concepts Riot can totally get away with shoving Akali in every band if they really wanted to. Money speaks.
that was a skin for an _un_ popular champ.
: We had no idea what Senna looked like prior to her release. The only art we had of her was the outdated representation of her in Lucian's login screen. That's it. You have no idea what Senna looked like, nor did we. The only people that knew for sure were Rioters, so until your name is red and you work there in the champion development team, don't act like some expert, cause you're not. And there is no withered arm in the True Damage splash. Its warped because it was edited to be bigger. The original version was the entire splash crushed up to fit into the loading screen/similar formats. It was also an unfinished splash art in general.
And there you go being an apologist again. We did know what she looked like, she had softer features, and didnt have dreds. Nu-senna is just more 'warrior' like with completely different facial structure and more stereotypical hair so she can look like she fits next to Lucian instead of offering a contrast. spare me your blind fanboyism
TIKrunk (NA)
: I think there are a few problems with this. Namely, that you're comparing a competitive game to a "party game". Also, one of the biggest differences I can spot right of the bat is that League doesn't have "rubber banding"...the thing that allows someone in 8th place to come screaming up into Top 3 contention. The snowballing can be frustrating, but if Riot implemented a "rubber banding" system like Mario Kart...you'd have the community complaining about matches lasting too long, as the system tries to boost the faltering team back into contention. I agree with your concerns with the Dragon buffs. By the sounds of it, they're going to take "snowballing" and turn it into "avalanche-ing". Maybe they're doing that because the community complains about matches lasting too long? As far as skill goes...ehh...there's an argument to be made that good map control is a skill. Good team fighting is a skill. Cooperation is a skill. Collecting buffs might be more dumb luck than skill at lower levels, but on the other hand, I've played games where teams fight over dragon buffs, and winning that fight, and ultimately the dragon, involves team work (cooperation). I'm apprehensive about the changes, but we'll see what happens.
> [{quoted}](name=TIKrunk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ThdXvTGg,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-17T20:56:28.926+0000) > > I think there are a few problems with this. Namely, that you're comparing a competitive game to a "party game". > Also, one of the biggest differences I can spot right of the bat is that League doesn't have "rubber banding"...the thing that allows someone in 8th place to come screaming up into Top 3 contention. > > The snowballing can be frustrating, but if Riot implemented a "rubber banding" system like Mario Kart...you'd have the community complaining about matches lasting too long, as the system tries to boost the faltering team back into contention. > I agree with your concerns with the Dragon buffs. By the sounds of it, they're going to take "snowballing" and turn it into "avalanche-ing". Maybe they're doing that because the community complains about matches lasting too long? > > As far as skill goes...ehh...there's an argument to be made that good map control is a skill. Good team fighting is a skill. Cooperation is a skill. Collecting buffs might be more dumb luck than skill at lower levels, but on the other hand, I've played games where teams fight over dragon buffs, and winning that fight, and ultimately the dragon, involves team work (cooperation). > > I'm apprehensive about the changes, but we'll see what happens. I'm not talking about the rubber banding, but the fact you can influence the RNG. In League you have zero control over it at any point, and the dragons of s10 look like they're well in line with going to be 100 times worse than any blue shell ever was.
Reav3 (NA)
: Senna was always Senna. We started the DNA from the very beginning with the goal to bring Senna back for 10 year anniversary. There was never a point in her development where she was not Senna
> [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=aucsgAa0,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-17T16:17:06.448+0000) > > Senna was always Senna. We started the DNA from the very beginning with the goal to bring Senna back for 10 year anniversary. There was never a point in her development where she was not Senna Well then I guess i cant you any benefit of the doubt, just way too fanboyism heavy mary sue gag worthy. She doesnt even LOOK like Senna in any of the splashes, the only reason people are willing to accept it is because she came from the lantern and lucians reactions but if you put them side by side there's basically no resemblance. The fans did it way better as a champion, it looked like her and still carried some weight while bringing something new to the table. At least the leaked concept had some semblence of being unwell with the withered arm, this whole "infected with life" to make her look like she never changed is some real tripe.
Rioter Comments
iiGazeii (NA)
: Pyke has nerfs on the PBE right now. They're nerfing his health and the amount of healing he gets from his passive.
> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1FneNfLd,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-17T18:28:18.290+0000) > > Pyke has nerfs on the PBE right now. They're nerfing his health and the amount of healing he gets from his passive. Doesnt change riot is an amazingly bad balance team who doesnt listen to the community. If you think 10hp difference per level is what made him broken then you're as dumb as riot. Even the pyke mains are laughing about it and shrugging it off.
: Buff Morgana W atleast Riot?
If morg needs any buffs it's to her ult. The 3s to take has a really shit payoff and you have to burn your spell shield to get into that tiny ass aoe range.
: https://imgur.com/a/DZYOouz Couple of new items and XP changes and that's it. But yeah I agree. I really expected an item shop overhaul and all we got is new items and shojin removed
> [{quoted}](name=Abibyama II,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hp6zxKny,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-17T18:23:14.270+0000) > > https://imgur.com/a/DZYOouz > > Couple of new items and XP changes and that's it. > > But yeah I agree. I really expected an item shop overhaul and all we got is new items and shojin removed How about they fix the fucking rank system, matchmaking from the shitshow they created in s9. just get rid of this rigged system called promos or actually match you to people your own skill level on your team not outright double handicapping you with a shit team.
GenoXx (NA)
: Basically. Kaisa: >Get's stuck in ravine filled with void monsters >Comes out like she just had an epiphany Senna: >Get's trapped in spectral prison by monstrous wraith >Nothing happens to her And likely her quotes are going to be the same as kaisa and not match what should have been her VO
> [{quoted}](name=GenoXx,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=aucsgAa0,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-16T21:53:53.360+0000) > > Basically. > > Kaisa: > > Senna: > > And likely her quotes are going to be the same as kaisa and not match what should have been her VO If you look at the leaked concept it's obvious why they fucked up so hard. **This champion was never intended to be Senna**, that was just shoved onto what would have been a new champ later in development instead of set out making her from the beginning. The leaked TRU Damage gun girl had someone who was more like Ekko's theoretical older chill sister, and _that_ character would have been better fit into Runeterra than this shit rito gave us.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Did we get a glympse of a Shyvana VGU in the trailer for Wild Rift?
Looks awful, better hope they dont make Shyvana look like some power ranger.
: I'm sorry, can you read Chinese? Did you read the bio before it was actually released? If so then of course, the bio was probably accurate. But most of us English-speakers didn't read the Chinese leak itself, we read a shortened fan-translated summary. I also don't know how "an apologist" is someone who just wants to read the lore for themselves before making judgments. You made your own judgments on barely any confirmed info, you kind of set yourself up for negativity. Calling people kid and being generally condescending and negative isn't a good look. If you don't like the concept, that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that you were being rude to people calmly discussing and calling you out on your crap. Its no wonder 4 Step lost her patience.
> [{quoted}](name=AbiwonKenabi,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=k5FJ2L6x,comment-id=0002000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-17T00:41:36.668+0000) >snip Senna has been nothing but going from bad to worse the more information comes out about her. Braindead praise and hype over nothing of substance just for the mere fact she's back. Did they do a good job? No, they butchered it. In a span since information about her was leaked, the deus ex machina shit went up to 11, she's a mary sue of halfassed ideas smashed together instead of a fully fleshed out one. Senna and the Lucian Thresh story for her long absence deserved better than what reads like some level like a middle schooler's fanfic full of retcons and plotholes for their self insert. The writing was on the wall and only became more obvious with each leak, spare me your white knighting because you were too stubborn to see it. You're absolutely apologists and you havent changed your tone at all since the leaks have been 100% confirmed and then some. Not one. single. thing. was deconfirmed the only thing we learned on the official release is riot's fanboyism bias for writing and designing for waifu Senna is even worse than expected. OK concept, I will give them that (that doesnt look like Senna) but undeniably shitty writing & execution that clumsily tried to attach on a well known character in the lore. Rito wanted to make her the Jean Grey/Phoenix of League except skipped all of the personal struggles and development just handing her the keys to the mansion. Try again next time riot, and get over this sacred cow crap.
: they adding dragon buff for defense?
Mountain buff is AR and MR Mountain soul grants an indefinite shield when out of combat ala {{champion:350}} style
GreenLore (EUW)
: Of course its not a picnic, I was merely pointing out that Thresh didn't directly torture them(in addition to trapping them in the lantern). And while its still horrible, it is far less horrible than what was originally implied in threshs lore. Also we don't know much about Sennas personality so far, so its definitely hard to say if she received mental scars from her imprisonment.
In other words its a shitty retcon. yeah im not going to swallow it and ask for more. Not only did they ruin Lucian and Senna with this, it also takes a lot of teeth and threat out of Thresh too. Being locked away in purgatory is a lot less intimidating than being locked away in hell.
: Heres hoping s10 wont be better jungler wins again
Top OK but since when did **mid** need any more agency? You can easily roam all lanes, help your jungler, pressure the enemy jungle, respond to ganks or take objectives as you please. Mid has way more influence over the game than top or bottom put together. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
Terozu (NA)
: You seem to think Mary Sues are an inherently bad thing and not just a fun writing convention that's been used in tons of narratives from pretty much every culture around the globe. You seem to not realize that when talking about _legends_ they are inherently Mary Sues due to the way it's written. They're legends. The super special people who the universe revolves around. Like seriously, using Mary Sue as an insult is just plain stupid. Mary Sues are a fun writing convention that people love to use for that exact reason. Hating on them is just being a jackanape. Also when did power come into play here exactly?
The fact you call Lucian a mary sue when he became consumed with vengence and regret pushing him down his path aginst thresh to get Senna back means you have NO idea what you're talking about. "B-but they're legends!". Stop youre just embarrass yourself with this apologist crap.
Terozu (NA)
: Taric is all loving to the point Cupid would be in awe. And Kai'Sa just happened to find the one void monster that would let her thrive in the caves. She wasn't even born special btw. She was cursed by some soul from the Shadow Isles. It happened when she first discovered the mist. It's literally no different than Kai'Sa own story substituting the void for the Shadow Isles, and voidling for soul, except oh Senna was trained to fight.
"Not born special" She does nothing and gains complete control over the lantern/dark mist power upon her release, and she was the whole reason the latern was lit according to thresh but sure okay buddy. A mild time out from the world is not anything worth praising for a "legend".
GreenLore (EUW)
: Actually Threshs lore seems to imply that Thresh doesn't even directly torture any of the souls in the lantern, he merely forces them to watch how he kills others. > Even so, death brings no merciful release, for he tears out the souls of all he kills—imprisoning them within his accursed lantern, to be unwilling witnesses to his depredations for all eternity.
What and you think being imprisoned against your will in the lantern is a picnic? All the other souls lost their forms, I think it's safe to say it has more effect than just on someones mind. And she sure doesnt look like someone who was put through the mental gauntlet.
Terozu (NA)
: Yes. Yes really. Every champ is a Mary Sue. Lux, Kat, Ezreal, Taric, LeBlanc, Swain, Kai'Sa, Senna, Lucian, Thresh, etc. They are _legends_. They are _supposed_ to be over the top. That's the entire point.
You apparently think powerful means mary sue. No wonder you defend this tripe.
Terozu (NA)
: No duh. They're all Mary Sue's. That's why they're called Legends. Legendary exploits anyone? Literally every champ is a Mary Sue in some way. That's why they're champions.
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=kEiUWAAA,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-16T17:33:56.791+0000) > > No duh. They're all Mary Sue's. That's why they're called Legends. > > Legendary exploits anyone? > > Literally every champ is a Mary Sue in some way. That's why they're champions. Pfft. Taric had to climb a magical mountain and had a change, Kai'sa at least had to fight for her survival. This is just like Zoe getting free shit because the aspect felt like it and she's was supposed to be the exception. Senna gets pulled into the lantern, doesnt think anything bad of it, loses NOTHING and gains everything without even going through any kind of trial, because she was born a snowflake. A gun that she pulls out of her ass from Lucian's dead father and magical lantern powers over all of the souls inside. She might be a fun support in game but holy fuck this is atrociously bad retcon writing, it negates all of the sympathetic parts of Lucian being unable to get her away from Thresh's torment. She was never in anguish, just in stasis. This is lukewarm milquetoast dogshit.
: We're saying your information is faulty. You are saying this based on 20 seconds of screentime in a fight scene without dialogue, along with a vague summary of a translation of her Chinese bio. No voice lines, no color story, no full bio. I've heard of Occam's Razor but have you heard of reliable sources?
Well kid now the bio has been released and she's even more trashy of a concept and 10x worse than Kai'sa. Reliable sources? The updated lore in Chinese was REMOVED which meant it was verified. You apologists are just sickening, the bio just reconfirmed the translation. Stale cliche shit all around, a huge failure of potential.
: Senna Biography
"Senna was never tormented in thresh's lantern lol!" absolute trash. she's a mary sue. this is the worst champ in lol history
Jobriq (NA)
: So glad Shojin's is leaving.
Uh Cloud Dragon Soul? {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} Leaving? Now a whole team gets Shojin for free by RNJesus.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ethereal Flight,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=szki2xsZ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-16T04:55:47.660+0000) > > more than enough to know a free execute on all damage for the whole team is braindead broken Have you checked your own Match History lately? The last time you went on a 35+ minute game was exactly a month ago (_**27 games ago**_). "More than enough", my ass.
> [{quoted}](name=BeatzBoyFTW,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=szki2xsZ,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-10-16T07:48:03.999+0000) > > Have you checked your own Match History lately? The last time you went on a 35+ minute game was exactly a month ago (_**27 games ago**_). "More than enough", my ass. You're a tool. How many games do people find they're playing in Riot's yoyo ranking system. 10streak win to 10streak loss promos and all, don't tell me you wont run into Elder dragons more than 1 per month. And this isnt even talking about the Cloud Dragon which gives game changing ults faster cooldown. Did you enjoy Yuumi ulting every 40s in Worlds? Too bad! Now make it 20.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ethereal Flight,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=szki2xsZ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-16T04:55:47.660+0000) > > more than enough to know a free execute on all damage for the whole team is braindead broken which doesnt change the niche of elder dragon; its only use is as the buff meant to brute force the game because its over 35 minuets. its no different then now as a stat check, and because its pre spawning drakes are flat out stronger. also for the record, of your last ~100 ranked games, only 8 have gone on long enough for elder dragon to spawn. 3 of those instances being literally a full month ago. thats 8% of your *own*, where our elo as mid supposedly "goes on forever" and "no one ends it". full stop. https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/217900490?matchType=2
> [{quoted}](name=FOR JUSTICE,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=szki2xsZ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-16T06:06:12.862+0000) > > which doesnt change the niche of elder dragon; its only use is as the buff meant to brute force the game because its over 35 minuets. its no different then now as a stat check, and because its pre spawning drakes are flat out stronger. > > also for the record, of your last ~100 ranked games, only 8 have gone on long enough for elder dragon to spawn. 3 of those instances being literally a full month ago. > > thats 8% of your *own*, where our elo as mid supposedly "goes on forever" and "no one ends it". full stop. > > https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/217900490?matchType=2 Dont quote pointless statistics at me, my friends run into 35+ min games daily. This isnt a super rare event to run into elder dragons, and its a regular enough thing in pro to know that it's an awful change. Many games in Worlds had elders, this just makes some for some extra RNG cancer.
: To be fair, if Riot makes the drake lineup available to be viewed in champ select before the game starts, draft pick would be easily able to sort out the right and wrong bans! And not to mention it would add cohesion for teamwork for both solo que, 5-Mans, and all in between.
: in all honesty, how many games have you been in where elder dragon actually got to spawn?
> [{quoted}](name=FOR JUSTICE,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=szki2xsZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-16T03:45:23.116+0000) > > in all honesty, how many games have you been in where elder dragon actually got to spawn? more than enough to know a free execute on all damage for the whole team is braindead broken
Moon Mom (NA)
: It's done because top lane needs relevancy. Making it have more XP is the best way to do this.
> [{quoted}](name=Moon Mom,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=5VAbPOzR,comment-id=00920000,timestamp=2019-10-16T04:39:33.277+0000) > > It's done because top lane needs relevancy. Making it have more XP is the best way to do this. No. They already made top more relevant by having 2 spawns of the herald instead of one and spawning earlier. They don't need more than that, bot is already in a hypergank state we dont need more of that shit.
: Preseason 2020 Gameplay: Rise of the Elements
There is no reason you can justify nerfing exp for bot, it's already the lane thats behind the most with shared exp. All this does is make bot even more gankable and cancer to play.
Rioter Comments
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=k5FJ2L6x,comment-id=000200000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-16T02:48:10.542+0000) > > Trying thinking for 5 fucking minutes. > > Just because she's in control then that doesn't mean she will be later on. Not a tough fucking concept. Occam's Razor, go look it up kid. Nothing suggested shes struggling with holding onto her mind, just exhaustion from being brought back.
: And how do you know that? The leaked China "story" that's little more than a vague summery of the actual story? You haven't actually read it. You haven't read her color story. You haven't heard her VO. You're so confident yet you know absolutely nothing, same as the rest of us. Just wait a fucking minute.
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=k5FJ2L6x,comment-id=0002000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-16T02:31:17.028+0000) > > And how do you know that? The leaked China "story" that's little more than a vague summery of the actual story? > You haven't actually read it. You haven't read her color story. You haven't heard her VO. > > You're so confident yet you know absolutely nothing, same as the rest of us. Just wait a fucking minute. Really? Like how she clearly shot an intended shield directly at Lucian to protect him from Thresh's hook but you're still gunna try to say she isnt in control? Try opening your eyes.
: I did. She can think she's in control but that doesn't mean that she is. Even Lucian has doubts about it.
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=k5FJ2L6x,comment-id=00020000000100000000,timestamp=2019-10-16T02:23:33.575+0000) > > I did. > > She can think she's in control but that doesn't mean that she is. Even Lucian has doubts about it. Lucian having doubts about it is completely irrelevant. She is the one in control, it's Kai'sa 2.0. Looks nothing like she should and didnt get her mind affected at all. But has some bonus 'kewl' asspull powers now from the lantern just like Kai'sa got from the void.
: And possible corruption overall. Just because she says/thinks she's in control, that doesn't mean that she really is.
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=k5FJ2L6x,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2019-10-16T02:15:13.518+0000) > > And possible corruption overall. > > Just because she says/thinks she's in control, that doesn't mean that she really is. Nope read the chinese bio, she's in basically full control. This is even lazier than I thought it would be, at least they could do something to her visuals and they didnt even fucking do that. This whole thing is just to appease fanboys who treat Senna like a sacred cow without respecting any consistency.
: Senna is back!
"It's Senna except now she has glowy eyes!" What a lazy ass concept. 0/10
: > [{quoted}](name=Ethereal Flight,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=egLcPFh8,comment-id=001c00000000,timestamp=2019-10-15T21:38:29.960+0000) > > HP regen ooc is not guna stop you from being 1 shotted or blown up in 1s in 'team fights' because they got an infernal or 2. > And "out of combat" for tanks? Do you even know what Tanks are supposed to do? {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} Yeah, it's not helping with a full scale teamfight that results in one side limping away and the other taking towers, but it *will* help with small skirmishes. Not having to recall because you just fought one or two people on their team and no longer have the health to survive a full teamfight is a big deal.
> [{quoted}](name=Leaf of the lake,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=egLcPFh8,comment-id=001c000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-15T23:09:17.114+0000) > > Yeah, it's not helping with a full scale teamfight that results in one side limping away and the other taking towers, but it *will* help with small skirmishes. Not having to recall because you just fought one or two people on their team and no longer have the health to survive a full teamfight is a big deal. You know what the big ass elephant in the room is? All of the dragons help **assassins**, this meta is riots fault with their braindead monkey team. Why else would it be so popular, why would you pick a champ that puts you at a disadvantage of just because you dont get jack out of the dragon buffs.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ethereal Flight,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=egLcPFh8,comment-id=001c,timestamp=2019-10-15T01:10:04.519+0000) > > Ever notice how there's a dragon that helps every class except tanks or to mitigate the level gap bleed? No dragon buff for armor or magic resistance, just snowball snowball snowball. p shit balance design not guna lie. That's what ocean is for. Ocean gives out of combat sustain, letting you stay on the map longer. It helps you stay in a game that you were otherwise losing, by being able to stand longer against siege and poke.
> [{quoted}](name=Leaf of the lake,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=egLcPFh8,comment-id=001c0000,timestamp=2019-10-15T19:56:14.276+0000) > > That's what ocean is for. Ocean gives out of combat sustain, letting you stay on the map longer. It helps you stay in a game that you were otherwise losing, by being able to stand longer against siege and poke. HP regen ooc is not guna stop you from being 1 shotted or blown up in 1s in 'team fights' because they got an infernal or 2. And "out of combat" for tanks? Do you even know what Tanks are supposed to do? {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
Terozu (NA)
: ...How else would they have revealed her?
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=vRxItAfn,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-10-15T06:40:56.354+0000) > > ...How else would they have revealed her? its not about the reveal, its everything. it's so safe and uninteresting. boo hoo lucian doesnt like how she looks and not much else. She gets physically corrupted and retained her will completely in check, and she uses a gun that she already knows how to use so she's just another flavor Kai'sa recycled corrupted but not really! lore. The 4 year old concept of her being transformed into some ethereal being by the lantern where she had more of a split personality was way more creative. She spent YEARS in there, it's really subpar to just handwave it all with minor differences because of the strength of her soul blabla, weve already herd about that from Thresh. But now that's just poor dues ex machina shit how she gets out no problem.
Terozu (NA)
: New Lucian lore on Chinese Universe page basically confirmed Senna.
so the laziest option they could have went with. wheres the riot that created kindred? everyone saw this coming from 100 miles away {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
: "ugh another useless drake"
Ever notice how there's a dragon that helps every class except tanks or to mitigate the level gap bleed? No dragon buff for armor or magic resistance, just snowball snowball snowball. p shit balance design not guna lie.
: Would be cool if they brought back old aatrox in the form of a new champion.
> [{quoted}](name=Iron Phantom,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OfXY8rZT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-14T23:11:12.739+0000) > > Would be cool if they brought back old aatrox in the form of a new champion. bring back all the old champ kits before they were reworked as new champs, and balance them to the current meta. theres a 10th anniversary worth something
: the boards must be trolling with this "garen is op" thing
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OuOxJEgr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-14T02:23:54.718+0000) > > the boards must be trolling with this "garen is op" thing Yeah dude, a higher wr in all rank than the newly broken {{champion:53}} but its all trollz {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
: when yuumi support does more damage than the other 4 on your team TOGETHER
Lol the downvotes and no counter arguments {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} . Was the Yasuo Gragas a problem in bot when he could give Yas a freebie ult? No because they were counter picked in draft and in game before they could pop off, but that was a super duo draft too. Yuumi/Garen bot can be stopped by taking 1 of the champs away in bans and there goes that whole strat. She isnt a problem, the part of her kit that made her overpowered in pro-play was already dealt with for the slows, she's lost games and won games in Worlds, it's not an instant win pick . Where's all the lane assassins? It's just Akali, Leblanc, Qianna, and Kai'sa. super stale, majority of times in support the picks are the hook meta. Imagine still kneejerking over a 40% winrate champ in soloq while panth has a 99% ban in Worlds and only got picked ONE game.
: when yuumi support does more damage than the other 4 on your team TOGETHER
People crying about Yuumi winning 1 game when the Kaisa/Xayah has been an ever present tumor in every game. AP Yuumi isnt new, the only reason it won is because Garen tanked the hits. This is just like every other team comp of funneling gold and kills towards power players, get over it. They even lost the first time they tried this and next time it will be banned away from them, just like when Kayle crushed games as a late fighter was brought online earlier through funneling and then got banned later. This is how the game is played, stop crying you arent even fighting them yourself. {{sticker:sg-ahri-3}}
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