: Remove Dark Matter's CDR for stacks and buff Veigar's early.
That buff was a win-more buff, it does nothing to actually help veigar be viable. Veigars win/pick-rate in high elo now is pretty abysmal as he currently has no early pressure at all so i think this would help him a lot.
: Ask a Heimerdinger Main (feat. Heisendong & lolGunSlinger)
What do you guys think of the Aery/Dom page? Iirc that used to be the standard but seems neither of you go it anymore. Every time i try another page i just miss it because of how consistent i find it (the exact page being Aery, Manaflow, Absolute, Gathering | Taste/Eyeball, Ravenous). Also youre probably well aware of this, but RQ placement range is currently bugged 100 units shorter than its supposed to be. Ive let Riot know way back when it was first discovered but i dont think its been fixed yet. If you guys know of any more obvious bugs like this let me know and ill try and pass em on. Ive got a few fixes through to them in the past.
: [Patch 8.24b]Heimerdinger Ult Turret(AA) stops firing
Pretty easily reproducible bug that can cost a lot of lost damage, i hope this gets looked at. Also, RQ into Q right now is instant, which i believe is also a bug if im not mistaken.
: The stun duration still doesn't seem right imo. Sucks to try to play him right now.
: The champ is not functional right now and should be hot fixed or disabled. Riot I understand it is the holidays, but seriously this is just bad.
When the E bug was still around i would agree, although right now hes at least playable. Riot knows about all the bugs now (they've commented on it) and are working on a fix.
: Is this a new bug or has this been happening for a while? If it's been there before, that would explain why sometimes it feels like my turrets aren't dealing a lot of damage. (That or I wasn't building the right things) If it's new, then I haven't played Heimerdinger in a while, so I'm not sure.
These bugs have been around since they did some work on the turret targeting code which shipped with the last patch. There were even worse bugs that were already fixed but these are still around.
Abuse me (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=EuphoricToaster,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=yZHEHBYu,comment-id=00020000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-11T14:56:33.997+0000) > > Heimer top isnt that good, youre just bad, play the matchup better and stop complainaing. I am just bad = being Diamond 3 and being better than 99.79% of your entire server. Wait sorry I was Diamond 3 when Diamond had 5 divisions. Also tell me how to play matchup better when you are not allowed to play. >To be clear, i think heimer before these bugs was really strong, maybe too strong, but he loses plenty of matchups top if you actually know what youre doing against him. Yeah, I do, I am not complaining about his power, I AM COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW FUCKING MISERABLE LANING AGAINST HIM IS. LEARN TO FUCKING READ ALREADY.
Every single comment in your comment history is you rambling on about something and complaining i see no point talking with you, have a good life dude.
Abuse me (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=EuphoricToaster,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=yZHEHBYu,comment-id=0002000000000002,timestamp=2018-12-11T14:45:38.987+0000) > > Me and most heimer players agree that mercs + cowl/hexdrinker is enough to win against heimer. And I and most of my friends agree that heimer should be nerfed to the ground. What else supports your argument? Because what you do right now is nothing else than talk. >If you're losing after this you're either just naturally counterpicked by heimer (singed for example) or you're playing the matchup poorly. Assuming that you are one of those fucks who downvoted my comment above, and you say this, you dont even read what I say. But what else would you expect from people who unironically think heimer can be beaten 1v1. If mercs and hexdrinker are enough to beat you, you play heimer wrong. >Im assuming this isnt your main account, if so then what is the rank of your main and how often do you face heimer top? Read the comment you downvoted above and maybe youll find out.
You still haven't said your rank. Either way im not gonna keep arguing with someone who doesn't know what they're talking about and you've already had some of your comment removed so it seems you cant be civil about discussion in the first place.
Abuse me (EUNE)
: THEY DIDNT NERF HIM FOR YEARS. Not enough of you fucks play him so his play rate never means anything to riot. If they fucking had only one ONE TOP LANE MAIN on live design team, he would get gutted long ago.
Heimer top isnt that good, youre just bad, play the matchup better and stop complainaing. To be clear, i think heimer before these bugs was really strong, maybe too strong, but he loses plenty of matchups top if you actually know what youre doing against him.
Abuse me (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=TheUnknownBg,realm=EUNE,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=yZHEHBYu,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-11T09:11:14.728+0000) > > He might be annoying but so there are many annoying chanpions in the game but do you really think heimer top is > strong!? I mean don't you think that if he was so OP everyone would play him in the LCS toplane. Heimer is generally strong only if: Wait a fucking second, you do realize they played Heimer on bot lane right? And he had what 100% win rate? Do you realize bot lane isnt cancer 1v1 stalemate but actual 2v2 where you can both contribute in killing him? Not only that, bot lane is ranged lane. I know a surprise isnt it? Top is melee lane. > 1. The person who is playing against it doesn't know what to do. I think that you are missing the point of cancer match ups. People are very well aware of pantheon falling off teemo becoming weaker as the teamfighting starts. People are very well aware that the most optimal strategy against these cancerous champions is not playing. However if had to go through process of queuing up, actually not getting autofilled, actually getting my favorite pick, and then being forced to NOT FUCKING PLAY FOR ENTIRE HALF OF THE FUCKING GAME, I WOULD LITERALLY RATHER STAB MY DICK WITH A SPOON. There is difference between lane bullies such as {{champion:122}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:86}} and {{champion:17}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:74}} . And the difference is that one CAN BE FUCKING EXPLOITED AND THE OTHER MAKES YOU SIT UNDER TOWER GET ONLY HALF OF CS AND BUY DEFENSIVE ITEMS INSTEAD OF YOUR POWER SPIKES OTHERWISE YOU WILL FEED HIM. I would rather play against Darius 100 times in row than play single game against Heimer Kennen or Teemo. And this is comming from person that got Diamond 3 maining top lane. I dont fucking care how easy it is to "win a game" against Heimer. Yeah he is immobile and has weaknesses when it comes to rotating around map. What does that change on the fact that I am going to feel fucking miserable first half of the game? Whats the reward im gona get? And its not like that is reliable either. If you are the person that gets placed in your team as carry and others are the 50/50 wr ones, you cant even carry the damn game. Or what you are gona tell me that Camille with 50% cs disadvantage and hex drinker instead of tiamat is gona roam? Hell yeah dude for fucking sure. > 2. The person playing heimer is just really good with him. You dont have to be good at heimer to be annoying. I literally dont care how dog shit you are or how god like you are. Your champion has skill floor so low Musk will dig his hyperloop to china in it. I played Heimer twice in my life and both of these times my lane was completely effortless. I tried to find his weaknesses in laning phase but all I found out was that I really suck at warding. Wanna know how I found out? Because I was bored out of my mind. Enemy couldnt even touch me without risking of dying because I hit one lucky grenade. He couldnt touch his cs without getting free poke from auto targetted turrets. On top of that, why is heimer ranged champ? Why are Heimers auto attacks ranged? What is the fucking point of it? Heimer with aery is the most aids thing ever. Every time his little shit stained screw flies towards you, you already know you are gona get hit by aery for no reason. All the while he is hidding behind his impenetrable fortress of turrets. If at least that champ was melee, he would be somewhat less annoying. SOMEWHAT. > If the two things are mixed together heim will just reck his enemy. He recks his enemy every time what are you talking about. Actually I will tell you one small anecdote about my friend who quit league for over year and half. He wanted to try it again and asked what should he play, I told him heimer. In a same game where he got matched against plat 3 top lane main because of my mmr, he got two penta kills on champion he played first time in his life. Because he pressed ult and Q and zhonya. Thats it. And I dont care that it was normal game, the person he faced was in a rank he never has even sniffed. > A lot of the power of heim comes from how unexpected his damage can be because no one respects his burst potential. Tell me again why should a champion originally made for sieging and creating strategical points of resistance have burst again? Tell me why does heimer need dps and burst and cc and safety? Doesnt that sounds little too retarded to you? Imagine giving jax sustain. That would be great. Imagine giving Darius engage tools. And then imagine telling people they should respect the sustain they have because reasons? Actually just explain to me why does heimer need his rockets to chunk you harder than ahris Q from longer distance with faster projectile and more verstile use. And please dont come to me with bullshit like it doesnt travel through minions. On top there are no minions to hide behind once you get pushed under tower. On mid you can at least use your ranged cleave and farm with your 500 auto attack range. >Besides playing against him top is extremely rare. Might be because top lane is played by player that want to play top for once but okay. >Not many people play him. Might be because he is fucking boring. And that is also reason why he doesnt gets nerfed when he needs it. I am firmly convinced that if Heimer was sexy female champ, he would have been nerfed moths ago. >And for the thing you said about "morde has more bugs than heim" as a heim main and a morde player I can tell you that heims current bugs are far more gamechanging than morde's bugs are. And I dont care? I literally hope they fuck bug fixing so bad they will have to re release him with new kit that doesnt feel like prostate cancer when you play melee. I may not be a decent human being, but people who play heimer are unironically bastards that have no friends. Because either they dont know what frustration they cause or they do and they dont care. And please tell me playing against heimer isnt frustrating. Please fucking do.
Youre a sad sad human being i really hope you get help my dude.
Abuse me (EUNE)
: So is he broken or is he not broken? Besides that is not the point, point is taht he is annoying and especially annoying on top lane. Argue with me why he isnt.
Okay they should let every annoying champ keep any bugs they get, seems like a smart move rather than just fixing them and actually nerfing them /s
Abuse me (EUNE)
: ***
Me and most heimer players agree that mercs + cowl/hexdrinker is enough to win against heimer. If you're losing after this you're either just naturally counterpicked by heimer (singed for example) or you're playing the matchup poorly. Im assuming this isnt your main account, if so then what is the rank of your main and how often do you face heimer top?
: Heimer is already not fun to play against. Fixing this would be buffing him. Ew.
So they should let champions purposeful have bugs so that they're weaker instead of fixing the bugs and nerfing the champ if it needs nerfs?...
: I just went to the playback of the game last night and it doesn't show the delay I actually saw in game. I looked over the 3 times I remembered and my wife remembered me saying something as we were in the game together. But there was nothing in the video it was spot on but when I was playing it was more then clear that my missiles would go off way after I clicked in the same direction but from where I was seconds later. To be clear I did not experience any lag or signs of lag other then my W.
: You Realize these are targeted nerfs because Heimer is doing well vs Marksmen in the Botlane.
The tooltip still says RQ scales with AP so no thats a bug, and its already been confirmed by a rioter on another post that the turrets not applying aery, DH, and rylais is indeed a bug as well, so no it is not.
Abuse me (EUNE)
: ***
Whether you like a champ or not doesn't mean a champion should be left in a bugged state and secondly top lane is Heimers worst lane, build Mercs + Spectres/Hexdrinker and autowin the lane from there.
: Also I have been having 2-3 second delays sometimes when throwing out my E-W it registers but the W does not go out for about 2-3 seconds after the E. At first I thought I was not clicking W but then the missiles go out without a button push seconds later. It seems like we have not even had an update as to when you THINK it might all get fixed to even set our minds at ease that you will have fixes out in a timely manner.
I think i have also felt this but its been hard for me to reproduce in practice tool, if you have a clip of it let me know.
Rioter Comments
: Kench's "buff"
They needed to nerf him for support, he was just too good in a competitive setting. There WAS a big W damage buff on PBE but it didnt make it to live.
: Blitzcrank knock-up goes through Fizz E
Once Blitz knockup is started itll work through anything as far as i know. It even knocks people up mid-zhonyas. Youre also not invulnerable during Fizz E just untargetable.
Róka (NA)
: Why let champions stack.
Veigar W has a long delay before it lands, just dodge it. You also had barely any MR and veigar was fed as Jamaree said.
Sukishoo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=EuphoricToaster,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=3iyJA4wX,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-08-24T20:31:51.947+0000) > > That fan skin is very well made but i feel like he could have so many other skins that fit his champion design better. Theres a lot of directions they could go with his scientist theme, anything science or sci-fi related or even yordle related (omega squad) seem like a better fit imo. Better fit? That's more subjective than anything. Skins are meant to bring out an alternate fantasy in a champion anyway, so I'd say having science related ones aren't gonna be better for him as he's already a scientist.
The only remotely science-y skins he has are hazmat and alien. Anyway, i agree with you about the point of skins but i play heimer cause hes a goofy scientist (well that and i like his playstyle), and considering how rare it is to get heimer skins id personally like to keep that intact. Heimer already has a lot of abstract/joke skins as is (snowmerdinger, piltover, blast zone, alien). Anyway so long as the skin is well made ill be content with whatever they make, im just not a big fan of the dragon trainer idea. Also find it a bit strange that people who dont even play heimer are talking about what skins they would want when they probably wouldnt even buy it or play heimer.
Sukishoo (NA)
: I've always wanted to see Dragon Trainer Heimer. That's a theme that people have put him in out there and some of the concepts like this one https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/006/390/791/large/vlx-bacescu-1-ingame.jpg are pretty awesome.
That fan skin is very well made but i feel like he could have so many other skins that fit his champion design better. Theres a lot of directions they could go with his scientist theme, anything science or sci-fi related or even yordle related (omega squad) seem like a better fit imo.
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=EuphoricToaster,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=3iyJA4wX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-24T02:16:51.455+0000) > > Theres a lot of cool ways you could go with heimer and a lot of them would be great. > > The one id like to see the most right now though is Omega Squad because it would basically guarantee a high quality skin (as all of the skins in that line so far are fantastic). If you do one of the other routes you might end up with like mecha asol/high noon urgot where it ends up being a little disappointing for how long we waited. > > At the end of the day though pretty much any of them are fine so long as they're well made skins so I look forward to see what riot chooses to do. Oh yeah I forgot to mention Omega Squad. I just wonder if Riot wants to save up another Omega Squad event for when they actually have some more Yordles in the game, because there's only so many champions they can use for the theme at the moment.
Yeah id imagine theyd do another omega squad group of skins, but if it doesnt happen this year i doubt heim would be in it since hes getting his new one this year and i doubt he would get a second so soon after.
EdgeLady (NA)
: New Heimerdinger Skin Ideas?
Theres a lot of cool ways you could go with heimer and a lot of them would be great. The one id like to see the most right now though is Omega Squad because it would basically guarantee a high quality skin (as all of the skins in that line so far are fantastic). If you do one of the other routes you might end up with like mecha asol/high noon urgot where it ends up being a little disappointing for how long we waited. At the end of the day though pretty much any of them are fine so long as they're well made skins so I look forward to see what riot chooses to do.
: > [{quoted}](name=EuphoricToaster,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Wu6BxyHa,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-22T18:57:02.257+0000) > > He just had the highest winrate in like every lane and now hes been bad for like one patch thats it. They already said he was hit too hard by the nerfs. Im pretty sure no one wants wukong to be remotely as strong as he was at his peak anyway, theres 0 counterplay to that champion. And the post talking about damn rework not buffs, my god does people even read.
OP Said: > as somone that likes to play wukong as a diver he is just so bad. When he was literally JUST meta in like every lane one patch ago. But yeah i would welcome a update to wukong but as far as i know its not going to be anytime soon as i dont think hes on the champion roadmap.
: Did Yorick get buffed?
Yorick is notoriously strong in low elo. So much so that riot have said theyre going to try and nerf him for low elo (along with garen).
Pika Fox (NA)
: You have 6 item slots. As an ADC, 1 slot is boots, 1 is pure defensive. You NEED said defensive slot, whether its GA, bloodthirster, deaths dance, QSS, whatever you need to stay alive this game. Positioning only does so much, as does your team. The enemy is full of skilled players too, and not having something to fall back on is just plain stupid.
> its GA, bloodthirster, deaths dance, QSS These items are FAR different than an item like spirit visage dude. Im arguing you should basically never go an item like visage on ADC. > Positioning only does so much, as does your team. The enemy is full of skilled players too, and not having something to fall back on is just plain stupid. Im not saying you shouldnt have an item like GA to fall back on, im saying you shouldnt buy a freaking visage. Buying tank items on a ADC is a crutch for bad play. In the end do you ever see good adc players actually build a tank item (like visage) on ADC pretty much ever? No, you dont, because its a terrible idea in 99.99% of cases.
Rioter Comments
: Can riot pls talk about wukong
He just had the highest winrate in like every lane and now hes been bad for like one patch thats it. They already said he was hit too hard by the nerfs. Im pretty sure no one wants wukong to be remotely as strong as he was at his peak anyway, theres 0 counterplay to that champion.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Its statements like these that make me laugh whenever people complain about damage ... Sure, build your full dmlamage squishy ass build and complain about damage. The rest of us will continue to laugh at you because we didnt die because we actually adapted our builds for what we need. Protip; dead ADC = 0 damage dealt.
If you invent too much gold into defensive stats youre going to do 0 damage and people are going to kill you anyway because you dont have the damage to kill them. Literally ask any high elo player hes going to say the same thing. The only defensive items you should consider in 99% of the cases are GA, Mercurial Scimitar and MAYBE Maw of Malmortius. EDIT: Also a better strategy to not die as an ADC is to just position better instead of building tank items.
: I love the game - but am leaving due to Toxicity
Its a free game, you're going to get immature and toxic people, this is 100% unavoidable. If someones being toxic, all you have to do is mute them and move on with your life. No point getting upset over random toxic comments from stupid people, just learn to not care what people say and just enjoy the game.
: It's a terrible idea, though. Sure, durable, whatever. But it won't work for shit. You don't use the regen, you don't really want the health much, it does nothing for your dps...
Yup, exactly. Idk whos downvoting me but they clearly dont know anything about the game.
Pika Fox (NA)
: I mean, if you need MR and HP and dont want maw or GA and have lifesteal, its not a bad option. Esp with soraka or nami.
You should almost never go an item like visage on an adc, youre just gimping your damage output. Thats a whoppiong 2800 gold you couldve spent on an item that would better allow you to do your job as an adc. I dont even think visage is going to save you from threats in a meta like this, with the insane amounts of damage in it.
: {{item:3156}} {{item:3065}} {{item:3111}} {{item:3139}} {{item:3046}} You don't have to buy them all but you need to buy atleast 2, lol. But ya diana does have some pretty absurd burst, even when you build her bruiser, she can get bullied in lane though since she is more geared towards late game.
Are you actually suggesting to buy spirit visage on an ADC?
: "ADCs can't build defensive items!"
In this meta youre generally better off going full glass cannon. Its a "one-shot or be one-shot" meta. IE also isnt JUST an armor pen item, it doubles your crit chance which is just a massive dps buff overall.
: Janna WR: 49.0%, Karma WR: 47.9%, Lulu WR: 47.5%. Why have shielders been effectively deleted?
Shielding supports (especially janna) were the meta for a LONG ass time. I think its fine for them to not be the meta supports for once.
DearPear (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=EuphoricToaster,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0oeOvLif,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-08-21T19:05:01.014+0000) > > Winrate is meaningless. Plenty of low winrate champs (ryze, zoe, akali, etc) are still insanely strong in high elo/competitive. For champs with high skill floors and high skill caps, you need to balance them around the best players or said champions will run rampant in high elo/competitive. The overall Zoe QQ does not come from competitive plays. People aren't whining that Zoe destroys the LCS. They are whining about the average soloQ Zoe, which is not overperforming by any means. > [{quoted}](name=magewick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0oeOvLif,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2018-08-21T19:22:14.464+0000) > > Who cares about winrates when pick+ban rates are so high? High pick and ban rates artificially deflates winrate. 3-4% pick rate. That's actually countering your argument.
People arent even necessarily complaining that shes strong or unbeatable or anything, just that it feels exceedingly unfair to play against. Meddler even agrees with this since theyre going to be doing work on her to fix this.
Reimυ (EUNE)
: Heimerdinger main complaining about unhealthy champion designs, the irony.
Heimer was meta for literally one patch ever (he has since faded back into obscurity). Zoe has been meta for every patch since her conception, besides the one patch she got gutted. Also i know heimer is cancer to play against, but do you see constant frontpage posts about heimer being cancer? No, you dont, you see it about Zoe because every aspect of hit kit is frustrating to play against (RNG summs/active, multiple undodgeable damage souces, one-shots, instadeath cc, etc). Heimers cancer because people dont understand how to play against him and just chain int into him. Against heimer (as a tank/bruiser) play passive, get mercs + spectres/hexdrinker and you win lane from that point, as a mage or ranged champ, focus his turrets down as heimer is nothing early on without his turrets.
: I got banned and I don't know why...
Send a ticket to riot support about it.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Or you could just learn to play against her. Amazing concept, should try it.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0oeOvLif,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-08-21T18:50:19.532+0000) > > Or you could just learn to play against her. Amazing concept, should try it. Just because counterplay exists to a champion, does not mean said champions isnt complain cancer to play against. > [{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0oeOvLif,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-08-21T18:59:10.482+0000) > > "large problem" as in 47% win rate? hehe Winrate is meaningless. Plenty of low winrate champs (ryze, zoe, akali, etc) are still insanely strong in high elo/competitive. For champs with high skill floors and high skill caps, you need to balance them around the best players or said champions will run rampant in high elo/competitive.
: Zoe and her reign of terror
This petition is literally a joke, its by Vandiril and he already stated this. On top of that, Meddler already said theyre going to be doing work on Zoe. Might wanna actually do any for of research or thinking at all before making a post like this.
Kazo Kurosu (EUNE)
: I feel like Riot should just ditch reddit entirerly
I frequent both the boards and subreddit, and the boards is FAR worse in terms of negativity and low effort/negative posts imo.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 17
The problem with tahm support is if hes even half decent in soloq hes probably going to be pick or ban in competitive because hes insane in a competitive setting. Its the same reason champs like ornn and shen have low winrates and see frequent nerfs, theyre too strong in a competitive setting.
: > [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=gA16fKMZ,comment-id=00370000,timestamp=2018-08-17T17:11:03.268+0000) > > Seems in a pretty stable spot? He's certainly really powerful in some circumstances, especially once he gets rolling. There are a good range of ways of playing around him though. > > Is there something more specific on your mind about him? Yes, my concerns with him lie in his early game. I think once he can get rolling he's fine, but the problem is surviving early game. I was wondering if you guys could give him something small to help make early game a bit more tolerable? Not too much though, as I know the risks of over-buffing him. Any chance of something happening to make early game a bit tolerable for him?
> [{quoted}](name=TheBossVeigar,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=gA16fKMZ,comment-id=003700000000,timestamp=2018-08-17T17:15:53.904+0000) > > Yes, my concerns with him lie in his early game. I think once he can get rolling he's fine, but the problem is surviving early game. I was wondering if you guys could give him something small to help make early game a bit more tolerable? Not too much though, as I know the risks of over-buffing him. Any chance of something happening to make early game a bit tolerable for him? Agree with this. Imo, he should maybe have some power taken away from his late game (revert that last W buff maybe? It was more of a "win-more" buff that he doesnt need) and add some of that to his early. Doesnt need anything too crazy, he just has 0 early lane pressure/trading potential compared to every other champ and he usually doesnt come online until the games already decided.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 17
Also the shield reward is insanely strong right now, many times ive had that thing just decide the game. It feels pretty bad to play against compared to the other even rewards.
: Do you think the amount of damage in the game is still a problem after rune changes and after duskblade gets changed?
Wasnt the duskblade change delayed? I had heard they are waiting for next preseason to do it.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 17
Hey meddler, any plans to take a look at veigar? He has one of the lowest pickrates in the game and really has a hard time keeping up in higher elos.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 10
Hey meddler, you have any plans to do any work/changes to Veigar? Hes in a pretty poor spot right now and its really hard for him to keep up with other champions at higher elos.
Prime159 (NA)
: there is that problem for sure. what i think would solve that is that unranked players just arent put into games with ranked players. they definitely could do something like hots did when it first came out (not sure about now since i havent played in a couple years) and have it so that people more than 1 league above you or below you cannot que up with you. hots, when they did this, had pretty closely balanced games 99% of the time. it was rare for me to see complete stomps, where as in league its like 90% of the games are over by minute 20. i will say i had a streak yesterday and today where i kept having plats and diamonds on my team and won like 14 of 20. i know it goes back and forth, it's just sort of annoying to not have competitive games. i get it, i can just stick to ranked, but i still want to just chill and not worry about my rank and have a decent game. i know we all have friends we want to play with but i just don't see the point of ever allowing a diamond player to q up with a silver or bronze. the skill gap is so huge that the vast majority of the time the diamond player just 1v5's.
> there is that problem for sure. what i think would solve that is that unranked players just arent put into games with ranked players. That would make the queue times significantly longer, which literally no one wants. Plus, what happens when a non-ranked player duos with a ranked player? On top of that, actual rank in ranked does not have direct transference to normals performance as i previously said so youre still going to get a wide range of skill level so this literally solves nothing. > have it so that people more than 1 league above you or below you cannot que up with you. hots, when they did this, had pretty closely balanced games 99% of the time. it was rare for me to see complete stomps, where as in league its like 90% of the games are over by minute 20 Again this would make queue times SIGNIFICANTLY longer. Also the snowbally nature of league is literally just the meta of league right now, not just normals. > it's just sort of annoying to not have competitive games. i get it, i can just stick to ranked, but i still want to just chill and not worry about my rank and have a decent game. Games are often stomps in both normals and ranked, at least in normals its a casual environment and you can learn without it impacting your actual ranked rank like you said. > it's just sort of annoying to not have competitive games. i get it, i can just stick to ranked, but i still want to just chill and not worry about my rank and have a decent game. A diamond player is only ever going to get placed with/against a silver/bronze if the diamond player has VERY little normals games, has some and just practically ints or the silver/bronze has a lot of normals games with good performance. Generally, in the bronze-gold ranges, matchmaking is pretty consistent and generally balanced because theres a lot of players for the matchmaking to choose from. Its just once you play more and increase your normals mmr that the matchmaking gets a bit wonky. But anyway, theres no fix to the problem, any "fix" (like the ones you suggested) are shortsighted and poorly thought out and come with a plethora of problems. Normals are often going to have a wide skill range, thats the way it is and if you purely care about good competition play ranked (although as i said, even a lot of ranked games these days are stomps due to the meta). If youre consistently being placed vs strong players you should be learning and improving anyway and be able to have an impact in more of the games.
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