: I'm really bad at League of Legends
Play to do well in teamfights and you'll never be called bad, well not by anyone good. You don't have to out-duel anyone; just know how to win teamfights and why they happen (often something as simple as dragon being up and your jungler's there or most of your team is pushing the same lane and is close to a tower). Most importantly know how to kill the other marksman lol. If you have a problem getting CS then practice last-hitting or - ezmode - AD marks and AS quints if applicable. Use the S key to stop yourself while moving around in lane to help keep the enemy laner guessing instead of letting him know you need to move around constantly - this helps more than you may think.
: OK Rito, we need a Kled announcer
Saw Kled, thought of Kayn. What I really thought of was Duke Nukem's voice. I think we need to add Duke Nukem to the game.
: Many ADCs rush {{item:3031}} No mages rush {{item:3089}}, IE's closest AP equivalent.
> [{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=shJMWBMI,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2017-09-21T18:51:27.135+0000) > > Many ADCs rush {{item:3031}} > No mages rush {{item:3089}}, IE's closest AP equivalent. I do OK rushing IE on Tryndamere top lane.
: This is why I don't play top lane.
People can yell at you no matter where you go. I'm pretty sure someone yelled at a marksman once. I'm assuming they got banned though idk for sure. /s As for helping win as a top laner, for anyone curious, always pick a champion that can help invalidate adc's regardless of their support (this season). Most 'carry' tops are super volatile and melt to an adc and support quickly no matter how hard they pubstomp and rage at their teammates. Don't pick them top ever (this season). Tryn is good thanks to his W and R. Yasuo isn't terrible. Classic tank Malphite is great but starts off slow. Darius is solid and is a total lane bully. GP is a troll but you might bait someone into making a mistake similar to how Singed plays, plus your ult can help your botlane win. Trundle - and to some extent, Renekton - has trouble getting anywhere and doing anything without good tank items which this season generally lacks. Garen honestly isn't terrible but he relies a whole lot on his ult. Never pick ranged pansies top unless it's Vanye West who is completely busted (this season).
: Relic Shield ADC the New Meta
: I wanna see you playing adc without {{item:3031}} 3400 {{item:3812}} 3500 {{item:3153}} 3400 {{item:3072}} 3700 {{item:3508}} 3400 {{item:3139}} 3600 Just how biased do you have to be to actually think your post makes any sense? You are making a brainless ADC witchhunt. Everyone with half a brain can see that you just picked the cheapest items while you ignore all the other ADC core items that are among the most expensive items in the game. lul
> [{quoted}](name=Kill Denied,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fBKGTRdx,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-09-18T19:11:40.196+0000) > > I wanna see you playing adc without > > {{item:3031}} 3400 > {{item:3812}} 3500 > {{item:3153}} 3400 > {{item:3072}} 3700 > {{item:3508}} 3400 > {{item:3139}} 3600 > > Just how biased do you have to be to actually think your post makes any sense? > You are making a brainless ADC witchhunt. Everyone with half a brain can see that you just picked the cheapest items while you ignore all the other ADC core items that are among the most expensive items in the game. lul You need like...two of them at most?
: Sterak's Gage Buff Suggestion
I build it on my tanky Tryndamere that I climb ranked as is, for what that's worth. It's awesome being unkillable and then living for 5 additional seconds when you should already be long dead. I don't see it being any good w/o both {{item:3748}} and {{item:3071}} though, which I think is its main issue. Adequate damage from items is such a priority now. Aside from weird builds like mine it makes perfect sense that it currently doesn't see play. I'm both scared and excited that it might become the new Atma's Impaler, though. I'm particularly glad they specifically made it known that it doesn't interact with Stoneplate! That is looong overdue; it's been like that for a while I think.
: SO I DECIDED TO TRY OUT RIVEN FOR THE FIRST TIME
I would rather have a stomach virus than play Riven in particular. Brainless "muh LC$" champion, whether she's actually played in the LCS or not. I would say the same for Lee Sin if it weren't for the fact that I have absolutely no idea how to jungle this season otherwise!
: I know it has been used a lot recently (Xin, Sejuani and rengar)
Man, Skarner misses the identity he once had. They've really stripped it away from him. Nothing was wrong with having a self-heal AoE pokie poke. Nothing was wrong with having a very spammable kit because none of it was burst. NOTHING was wrong with his shield. Nothing was wrong with Skarner. Why did they make so many silly changes to him? He was fine as is - cool, even! He was one of my favorites next to pre-rework Xerath. Now all I have to fuel my s2 nostalgia is Ezreal and Trondomore.
: Remember even if you try your best and lose
: basic title mentioning adcs being op
Upvote because this is genuinely a good post. Like who doesn't actually think marksmen are overtuned but bot mains lol.
: The game is so much more enjoyable when there aren't any enchanters played
Honestly, I would welcome it. Enchanters need a rework - they're meant to help keep teammates alive, not help marksmen 2shot everyone. Aggressive supports remind me of season 1 back when everyone took whatever champion they felt like bot/top haha. It was a glorious slugfest.
Rioter Comments
: AP yi was either complete cancer or trash. AP trynd is either cancer or trash. AP tristana was just cancer Tank ekko was so fun to play against right? Tank Fizz was so much fun, glad we have choices. Man I remember tank Katarina, that was some fun stuff right there. This game isnt about choices, its impossible to balance a champion around being able to build them anyway you wish and succeed.
> [{quoted}](name=Slack King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Oxy3B3LM,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2017-09-14T18:56:09.349+0000) > > AP yi was either complete cancer or trash. > AP trynd is either cancer or trash. > AP tristana was just cancer > Tank ekko was so fun to play against right? > Tank Fizz was so much fun, glad we have choices. > Man I remember tank Katarina, that was some fun stuff right there. > > > This game isnt about choices, its impossible to balance a champion around being able to build them anyway you wish and succeed. You're talking about all-AP builds on AD champions. Of course they're wonky and imbalanced! There are many other builds for them besides that one that are actually creative and interesting. Sorry, I mean *were*. Por ejemplo: many seasons ago you could build multiple tank items on Tryn and Yi and be moderately successful. Heck, you could build NO crit items and still pull it off. OP's saying you can be much less creative with builds now; I wouldn't say AP yi, tryn, trist etc. fits in that category of "creativity" so much as "taking the wins and running".
: tryndamere is more frustrating then yasuo
Trondomore is perfectly fine, especially when compared to Yasuo. Run the numbers on his max steroids and compare them to the fact that Yasuo has his winwall and *actual hard ranged AoE CC* in his kit (although granted tryn's Poultry Shout is useful in this meta whether it slows or not). Want to give tryn a rough time, though? Pick anyone top that can effectively build armor and then build armor. If you're a mid/jung/supp then pick a mage so you can help whittle him down before he can go in and provide some extra CC as well. He pushes well and is actually pretty good in teamfights if the player is decent with him but he won't win 1v1's until lategame or if he's fed - even then unless he builds glass cannon it's not a sure thing. And building glass cannon tryn w/o snowballing is risky to say the least - even if you're fed all it takes is for you to get caught and shut down once or twice and you're basically made irrelevant without defensive stats against any team with a brain among them. He beats Janna and the other Enchanters to boot; they're the real braindead champions right now. I love how good of a counter he is to Soraka in particular.
Eedat (NA)
: The amount of bias on this board is reaching critical mass
: League of Legends feels like it has nothing to do with mechanics anymore; only damage.
It's a pity this thread is such a debbie downer haha. I bother to get at least gold every season (if you check my history Dingding123 is my original acc) but when I can put my finger on the game's flaws I'll always do my best to point it out. Riot should never consider having a meta like this one again though, imo!
Rioter Comments
: Most people right now :
Weren't those dating at one point...? Yeesh. Unfinished business.
abdul569 (EUW)
: How would people feel if we remove items that give ADCs their AoE?
IMO Shiv items should be reworked/straight-up removed. Burst magic damage, whether it be AoE or single target, has no place in an adc's item pool. If adc's want waveclear they can invest in heavy ad for their abilities, or IBG, or Ruunan's. Shiv items do not need to be in the game at all. Remove those, and replace them with ONE new crit item that DOESN'T give additional burst damage, let alone burst magic damage, as an effect and call it a day.
: Two words, four letters: AP Yi.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=60vb4Kqv,comment-id=000500010000,timestamp=2017-09-05T19:16:42.625+0000) > > Two words, four letters: AP Yi. BelYieve it or not, there was counterplay to that. Granted it partially had to do with your team not having any baddies. Hypercarry Yi however was always a major threat...30+ minutes in...like hypercarries are supposed to be.
: Once again people acting like beta was some balance heaven or something LUL.
> [{quoted}](name=PePsiLemoNN,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=60vb4Kqv,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-09-05T10:48:14.188+0000) > > Once again people acting like beta was some balance heaven or something LUL. well it wasn't balance hell
: since when is this a problem? his major weakness comes from lack of knowledge on how to deal with him.
> [{quoted}](name=TimX24968B,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BE8KyVRY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-31T17:06:31.248+0000) > > since when is this a problem? his major weakness comes from lack of knowledge on how to deal with him. I play Tryndamere and this is the reason he's strong lol
Rioter Comments
: We're hoping to do a pass on AP itemization sometime in the (hopefully near) future. If the issue with them is build diversity, some suggestions for new/modified items could be useful, if for no other reason than to get some ideas flowing. If those suggestions also included why they'd be good additions to the game, or what problem they address, that would also be very useful.
> [{quoted}](name=RiotRepertoir,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3TxBAehA,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2017-08-30T22:38:13.364+0000) > > We're hoping to do a pass on AP itemization sometime in the (hopefully near) future. If the issue with them is build diversity, some suggestions for new/modified items could be useful, if for no other reason than to get some ideas flowing. If those suggestions also included why they'd be good additions to the game, or what problem they address, that would also be very useful. Hopefully that won't simply change items to "this is what all AP carries of X variety will build" and "...y variety will build". More diversity/counterplay ability for mages please. I feel like Zhonya's could be split into at least 10 different items that all do somethnig similar as crazy as it sounds, not that Zhonya's itself should be removed entirely. the fact that it's so crucial in many matchups is a sign.
: The Assassin Rework is part of the reason why ADC's are so strong now
you could say... that the Assassins... have been Assassinated. Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword. Those who live by the gun will stay meta, son. hehe xD
: Theory Summoners Combo for Tryndamere
Turns out barrier feels really nice on tryn! I tried taking both of these summoners in ranked recently and it seemed to work well every game. Whenever ult isn't up, barrier usually is and often times it's enough to keep you alive or at least help you finish off someone first; also sometimes you can get away with rejoining teamfights after ulting and escaping because you have barrier off of cd. I've forced multiple midlaners ganking me after I kill top to pop absolutely everything just to burst through my barrier and finish me off haha. It's really nice in lane too, generally speaking. I build Doran's -> IE -> Zeal + Swifties/Treads+ cloth armor -> PD -> armor item and the game is usually over by then. I take Warlord's as my keystone for now. I've won 7 games in a row in Silver so far with this build for what that's worth. Vs. Teemo or Vanye West, however, I wouldn't take these summoners over Flash + Teleport or build anything other than PD first. Doran's Shield -> Tabi -> PD -> BORK is probably the way to go there, and then IE later for luxury perhaps. All-inning Teemo is risky - one well-timed gank from his laner and your lane is toast, although you still might be more useful in teamfights (from experience) and can kill him with a gank if he's really deep. Just some friendly advice to any who are lacking in trondo experience.
Rioter Comments
: How has this man not been banned yet.
Reminds me of the Bomber from HXH only it's the Feeder
: You slap one on your tryndamere top and profit ;)
> [{quoted}](name=TwoAxesOneGuy,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=rqKkqed4,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-06-23T14:37:22.235+0000) > > You slap one on your tryndamere top and profit ;) lowkey fantastic idea get damage first though
: Why is everyone so against new ways of playing champions?
I mean Ivern is basically that so I wouldn't understand anyone's hang-ups anyway Phreak would be proud
: Garen is the poormans Darius
I feel like Garen does nothing in particular. He's the most generic of champions. That doesn't make him unviable; it just makes him...the most generic of champions.
: So is it good that Yasuo has all his abilities? Because it gives him a lot of depth and makes him harder to master.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ginger Ninga,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ukPA2w0N,comment-id=00000002000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-20T20:44:55.706+0000) > > So is it good that Yasuo has all his abilities? Because it gives him a lot of depth and makes him harder to master. This is why I appreciate most things about Yasuo. He takes a lot of skill and timing while actually being fresh thematically as a madc. For example, Tryndamere is about managing brute force (cheeky splitpushing build aside) whereas Yasuo is about honing precision. Yasuo dashing through minion waves is goofy but it's not like other madc's don't abuse minion waves themselves (lifesteal etc.). That's my only remote hangup about Yasuo and Riot has nerfed it. Yasuo is creative; champions like Lee and Thresh are overloaded. There is definitely a difference.
: Alright: Why shove Ezreal into a position where he's relying on using on-hit effects ON TOP OF relying on stacking a tear item when you could just build his usual tear/tri build and get a massive power spike in two items rather than waiting for almost your full build to "kinda hurt"? To boot, THE FUCK IS THAT RAGEBLADE?
> [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sod8sVdV,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-19T22:48:39.979+0000) > > Alright: > > Why shove Ezreal into a position where he's relying on using on-hit effects ON TOP OF relying on stacking a tear item when you could just build his usual tear/tri build and get a massive power spike in two items rather than waiting for almost your full build to "kinda hurt"? > > To boot, THE ****** IS THAT RAGEBLADE? Rageblade is the last item built, after Muramana, BORK and Wit's End are all finished, all of which provide on-hit effects. Triforce is no massive power spike. It's some burst damage and some nifty AS, CDR and mobility and it's expensive. It does not carry Ezreal; if it did surely he'd have a higher WR than 46%. "Kinda hurt" came from nowhere. This build does damage. No one wants to take it especially once Ez has built up his passive stacks. Also a big perk is that minions and tanks can block Ezreal's Q and E but they can't naturally block autoattacks so most of its damage is largely guaranteed.
: Literally WHY build this?
> [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sod8sVdV,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-06-19T22:09:29.298+0000) > > Literally WHY build this? Howzabout you tell me why not?
Rioter Comments
: Ironically, CO-OP vs AI is 1 v 9 against Bots
Imagine being a new player in League right now.
: Who is Doran
Basically a retard Items people buy every single game are made by a retard You'd think they'd credit him for things like the current Ohmwrecker
: Is Spongebob an Iceborn?
Spongebob Ezreal when
Rioter Comments
: Can we get a tiny buff for Ezreal?
Particularly, it sucks just how awful his teamfighting capabilities are when there's a creep wave involved.
Gelmous (NA)
: threads with no context should not be allowed, what is this shit ? just posting "lol" as a context
> [{quoted}](name=Gelmous,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3Q3TclbY,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-06-12T12:23:41.240+0000) > > threads with no context should not be allowed, what is this shit ? just posting "lol" as a context well it IS funny
Rioter Comments
: PSA: We Rengarmains actually DO NOT care about oneshotting
All changes reverted would be nice. Maybe two other things as well: - Tune down his raw damage a bit (not his scaling), so that he doesn't 100-0 targets so easily - Make him a bit more durable, so that he doesn't die so easily And that would be it!
: when giants belt gives more health than randuins
: genuine question, is draven broken right now?
Draven is like the Darius of marksmen and I'm pretty certain that's intentional. He's not 'OP' but he's very easy to be effective with save the axe-catching. Weaknesses: no mobility except for a falling off MS bonus, honestly needs to catch axes to be effective so you can generally tell where he's going which makes landing skillshots on him easy, strong ult but very dodgeable (at least the second hit) and name an ADC with a weak ult that isn't also a weak ADC. Has strong stats for an ADC but he has no ranged poke that doesn't involve him personally closing the gap some. He has weakness. The executioner bleeds! He just has a power spike with DD now; that's the only reason why he's FotM. You want OP, if Draven somehow isn't? Take a look at Zac and Anivia's W%. Also, try to convince yourself that they aren't two of the most game-influencing champions in League of Legends right now. I can't. The worst part is, I can't ban them either! I need to ban Lee so my jungler or incompetent laner doesn't feed him.
: If assasins are intended to have delayed burst marksmen need delayed sustain
This meta is dumb. If you're a carry and you don't have lifesteal you're either a mage or you are LOSING. Lifesteal is way too easy to purchase! Lifesteal m items don't need nerfs per se, but the amount of lifesteal in League of Legends in general definitely deserves to be addressed. If lifesteal is so crucial to the game Riot should just increase everyone's base hp and Regen by 10% instead of letting the stat just run rampant. I honestly feel like I'm playing against a tanky marksman when I'm fighting a Swain or a Vladimir. My instincts are telling me to buy armor when I play against them - THAT'S how ordinary ranged sustain of all things feels at the moment.
FNC Jinx (NA)
: Riot: Every time Lucian Gets out of Control
Lucian has some really flexible item synergy which has usually been his problem. He doesn't get any more out of control than Caitlyn does. Kalista basically gets free damage just by existing near someone. Azir's ranged poke is so long, hard and fast that laning against him if he were strong is a joke and a half. These are the real types of champions Riot thinks are unique because they're busted, because they don't know what they were doing with them in the first place
: @Riot When are you going to stop being so forgiving of adcs?
To be fair, if an AP carry is good at something it inevitably involves burst damage. Burst damage in general is hard to balance. Riot's okay with Ahri and Anivia being good at all ranks because they naturally don't have a ton of burst. Carries like Syndra however are 100% about catching someone and instantly killing them. Syndra's the new Veigar, let's face it. Imagine if Deathfire Grasp still existed, in any form.
FireDrizzle (EUNE)
: When you pick Rammus into full ad
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